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Title: More 1 AM Jade Helm Pre-Training: “YOU MAY HEAR HELICOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.”
Source: Truthstream Media
URL Source: http://truthstreammedia.com/2015/06 ... ions-please-do-not-be-alarmed/
Published: Jun 7, 2015
Author: Aaron and Melissa Dykes
Post Date: 2015-06-09 09:55:55 by Deckard
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Views: 33717
Comments: 122

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When the American flag is flown upside down, if you were not aware, it is a signal of dire distress.

Can you imagine what it is like to suddenly have low-flying military helicopters, explosions, and gunfire rocking your home in the middle of the night?

This message went out on Facebook around midnight last night from the official Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page:

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“ATTENTION VIEWERS: PER FLINT POLICE OPERATIONS (FPO) THE US ARMY IS DOING TRAINING IN FLINT THIS WEEKEND AND YOU MAY HEAR HELCOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.”

That message was sent out last night around midnight.

Over the next few hours, some concerned and even downright scared citizens responded to what was taking place over and around their homes.

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Many were asking if this was part of Jade Helm. While several others in the thread responded said it was, the Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page never officially confirmed or denied this.

Although some people were essentially congratulating the authorities for this last-minute martial law training in their neighborhood streets, others were more afraid of the attitudes of their fellow Americans.

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Around 8 p.m. Saturday night, M Live reported that police were coordinating safety measures for military exercises that were being announced for three areas in Flint:

Police warn that helicopters and small explosions are expected to be part of the exercise. The exercise is controlled and contained, and police said there is no reason to be alarmed.

The training exercises will conclude later Saturday night.

Police announced Friday the exercises would take place over the weekend, and residents in the areas where training was taking place would be notified.

Explosions rocked Flint’s East Side Tuesday, June 2, as the city warned residents to prepare for simulated ammunition fire and helicopters as U.S. Army soldiers begin 10 days of training.

On Saturday afternoon, members of the U.S. Army National Guard 1776 MP Company went to Mounds RV Park in Mt. Morris to train in armored security vehicles. Some 60 to 70 soldiers were on site, ready to train to receive their licenses to operate the vehicles.

Noting that the training would take place Saturday night kinda misleads one to believe it will be at a reasonable hour, doesn’t it?

Flint, Michigan only has 100,000 people. It’s not a huge city. Why should people expect a small-scale war to suddenly break out on their streets?

No explanation was ever given as to why this training could not have been conducted on a military base instead of on the residential streets of Flint, Michigan.

This isn’t just one evening. This is ten days of hardcore military training. Ten days of low-flying chinooks in the middle of the night. Ten days of random gunfire and explosions breaking out. Ten days of armored military vehicles cruising the roads. Ten days of increased military presence in the streets of yet another American city.

Imagine explaining this to your terrified children who are awakened in the middle of the night by what sounds like war breaking out in their Flint, Michigan backyard.

Of course, if Flint residents happened to not be watching their TVs or checking up on law enforcement’s social media pages like the Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page, they wouldn’t have known, would they?

Unannounced or barely announced military drills complete with realistic-sounding explosions, military hardware and even the detainment of mock dissidents have become a much more frequent occurrence on Main Street U.S.A. in recent months. In the lead up to this July’s Jade Helm drill, during which local, state, and federal law enforcement and military agencies will be teaming up and training together all across the Southwest for what we are told are international battlefields far far away, it has been happening more and more. We have no Posse Comitatus, quite obviously.

Martial law desensitization is in full swing.

Disruptive and alarming drills continue to break out in sporadic locations across the country. As unannounced and unnerving as they are to local residents, a bigger and much uglier picture is being painted here.

Did you know that after the American Revolutionary War, most people in this country considered a standing army to be one of the most dangerous threats to liberty imaginable?

Skip ahead a couple hundred years. Now look at where we are.

This is America now. This is what our nation has become.

Look around. Are we really a free country?

We should not allow ourselves to be conditioned to accept and expect warfare in our backyards.

There is every reason not to want the military to get used to training in our streets with our militarized police forces, much less carrying out raids on the citizens, and patrolling us. 

There is every reason not to want our neighbors, friends, and family to become acclimated to it either. There is every reason to question and speak out against this.

Has anyone even sufficiently justified why this is really necessary?

“For your safety” just isn’t cutting it anymore.

Despite what the NDAA says, America is not a battlefield. The fact that officials see it as otherwise is deeply alarming and signals nothing less than tyranny.

(H/T: Chris VanWyck)

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#83. To: Deckard (#82)

Expect Gatlin to come in and defend this ISIS-loving prick.

Expect Deckard to show his stupidity again.

You have a short memory, or your reading comprehension is still bad.

I have posted a number of times that I voted for JD in the primary….and I voted for his Dim opponent in the general.

Why are you such a retard?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-10   20:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: CZ82 (#80)

You know I wonder if they are using an old base that was closed sometime in the past around Flint for their exercises, we used to do it all the time when I was in England.

They are using a defunct junior high building.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   20:38:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: hondo68 (#81)

John McCain calls Jade Helm 15 hysteria ‘bizarre’

It's a shame he hasn't kicked the bucket yet.

With backstabbing turds like that in the mix, the GOP can never make any progress.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   20:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: TooConservative (#85)

With backstabbing turds like that in the mix, the GOP can never make any progress.

The reality is the GOP no longer exists except as a little brother to the DNC.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-10   21:37:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Liberator (#53)

Most of us would point to 9/11 as THE watershed moment that dramatic changes in the reduction of liberty began occurring in the lives of Americans. But if we really want to examine exactly when Americans began sacrificing liberty for "security," it began back in 1991 when Poppy Bush and his globalist NWO cadre decided to invade Iraq, disrupt life as we'd known it, shattering the peace, freedom, and optimism marked by Ronald Reagan's administration.

The initial salvo was the Sedition Act of 1798. And there was the Sedition Act (aka Espionage Act) of 1918. Lincoln assumed the authority to delegate to the military the authority to suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus, and the senior military were empowered to delegate the power to suspend the writ down the chain of command to lower officers. Secretary of War Stanton assumed the authority to suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus nationwide. The Kennedy assassination led to expanded jurisdiction for the FBI.

And Lincoln and the Civil War Congress assumed the authority to ignore the Constitution and set up the Bureau of Internal Revenue (later renamed the Internal Revenue Service) and implement an unapportioned income tax.

The federal income tax and the Internal Revenue Service did not start after the 16th Amendment in 1913. That started with the Revenue Act of 1861, effective January 1, 1862. The Act of August 5, 1861 is at 37 Stat. 292 - 313.

At 292,

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That, from and after the date of the passage of this act, in lieu of the duties heretofore imposed by law on the articles hereinafter mentioned, and on such as may now be exempt from duty, there shall be levied, collected, and paid, on the goods, wares, and merchandise herein enumerated and provided for, imported from for­eign countries, the following duties and rates of duty, that is to say:

At 309,

Sec. 49. And be it further enacted, That, from and after the first day of January next, there shall be levied, collected, and paid, upon the annual income of every person residing in the United States, whether such income is derived from any kind of property, or from any profession, trade, employment, or vocation carried on in the United States or else­where, or from any other source whatever, if such annual income ex­ceeds the sum of eight hundred dollars, a tax of three per centum on the amount of such excess of such income above eight hundred dollars Provided, That upon such portion of said income as shall be derived from interest upon treasury notes or other securities of the United States, there shall be levied, collected, and paid a tax of one and one half per centum. Upon the income, rents, or dividends accruing upon any property, securities, or stocks owned in the United States by any citi­zen of the United States residing abroad, there shall be levied, collected, and paid a tax of five per centum, excepting that portion of said income derived from interest on treasury notes and other securities of the Government of the United States, which shall pay one and one half per centum. The tax herein provided shall be assessed upon the annual income of the persons hereinafter named for the year next preceding the time for assessing said tax, to wit, the year next preceding the first of January, eighteen hundred and sixty-two; and the said taxes, when so assessed and made public, shall become a lien on the property or other sources of said income for the amount of the same, with the interest and other expenses of collection until paid: Provided, That, in estimating said income, all national, state, or local taxes assessed upon the property, from which the income is derived, shall be first deducted.

Sec. 50. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of the President of the United States, and he is hereby authorized, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to appoint one principal assessor and one principal collector in each of the States and Territories of the United States, and in the District of Columbia, to assess and collect the internal duties or income tax imposed by this act, with authority in each of said officers to appoint so many assistants as the public service may require, to be approved by the Secretary of the Treasury. The said taxes to be assessed and collected under such regulations as the Secretary of the Treasury may prescribe.

At 312:

Sec. 55. And be it further enacted, That the amount of all debts due to the United States by any collector, under this act, whether secured by bond otherwise, shall and are hereby declared to be a lien upon the real estate and lands and real estate of such collector, and of his sureties, if he shall have given bond, from the time when suit shall be instituted for recovering the same; and, for want of goods and chattels and other personal effects of such collector or his sureties to satisfy any judgment which shall or may be recovered against them, respectively, such lands and real estate may be sold at public auction, after being advertised for at least three weeks in not less than three public papers within the collection district, and in one newspaper printed in the county, if any there be, at least six weeks prior to the time of sale; and for all lands or real estate sold in pursuance of the authority aforesaid, the conveyances of the marshals or their dep­uties, executed in due form of law, shall give a valid title against all persons claiming under such collector or his sureties, respectively.

Sec. 56. And be it further enacted, That, for superintending the collection of the direct tax and internal duties or income tax laid by this act, an officer is hereby authorized in the Treasury Department, to be called "Commissioner of Taxes," who shall be charged, under the direction of the Secretary, with preparing all the forms necessary for the assessment and collection of the tax and duties aforesaid, with preparing, signing, and distributing all such licenses as are required, and with the general super­intendence of all the officers employed in assessing and collecting said tax and duties; said commissioner shall be appointed by the President, upon the nomination of the Secretary of the Treasury, and he shall receive an annual salary of three thousand dollars. The Secretary of the Treasury may assign the necessary clerks to the office of said commissioner, whose aggregate salaries shall not exceed six thousand dollars per annum, and the amount required to pay the salaries of said commissioner and clerks is hereby appropriated.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-10   22:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: sneakypete (#86)

The reality is the GOP no longer exists except as a little brother to the DNC.

In large part, due to these faux conservatives like McStain and Grahamnesty who turn conservative at each election but help the Dims otherwise. Toss in some RINOs like the Snowe or Collins or Specter. What exactly can you accomplish if you hold on the Senate is always weak?

Too bad Arizona doesn't have a strong conservative congressman to take McStain's seat away from him.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-11   7:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: TooConservative, sneakypete (#88)

Thought you guys might be interested in this.

‘The Jade Helm Deception’ with guest Matt Bracken and Jay Dyer

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-11   8:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: nolu chan (#87)

And Lincoln and the Civil War Congress assumed the authority to ignore the Constitution and set up the Bureau of Internal Revenue (later renamed the Internal Revenue Service) and implement an unapportioned income tax.

They first ignored the Constitution by refusing to allow the south to withdraw from the THEN "voluntary Union" by declaring war on them.

When the US Supreme Court told Lincoln that refusing to allow the south to secede and going to war against them was un-Constitutional,he told them if they issued that ruling he would send US Marshals around to arrest them and hold them without trial for the duration of the war.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-11   8:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: CZ82 (#78)

When I was a kid I lived right under the flight path of WPAFB, I used to wake up and go to bed every day/night to the sound of B52s taking off and landing. After awhile you get used to the noise and don't seem to notice it anymore. Now it's so quiet where I live that I have to run a fan in my room for some background noise otherwise I can't sleep.

When I was at GITMO they used to do the minefield maintenance at night for some reason, but after the first couple of mines going off you didn't notice it anymore and just slept right thru it.

LOL, yeah with me tank and artillery gunnery (booms all night long) don't wake me up. We live close to Hood. Well close enough to the impact area. My family is used to it too.

We were joking in the office the other day when an older gentlemen who is retired military, said he had trouble sleeping. He moved out in the country a bit and he said it is 'too peaceful.' We told him to buy a 5K generator and crank it up next to his bedroom window to help him sleep:)

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-11   9:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: CZ82 (#79)

You might be surprised as to what the military does for training their people.

For RRR (Rapid Runway Repair, I.E bomb damage repair to runways) exercises

I've heard of those. Thanks for the detail. It sounds like 'fun' even in MOPP gear:) Anytime you get to blow holes in the ground is fun:)

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-11   9:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: redleghunter (#54)

However the context of her 'reasoning' is that the exercise was in preparation for operations on American soil. Which means, by her statement, she meant if a unit trains on American soil they are preparing to fight on American soil. That's quite a reach.

With all due respect my brutha, we're gonna have to disagree on the nature of this "exercise"...100%. It is not without a profound sense of grief and sadness that I know the un-thinkable *will* be occurring sooner rather than later; American troops are indeed preparing to fight on American soil. It is not only NOT a reach or paranoia, but well-founded and a foregone conclusion to many of us. Might I suggest the possibility that perspectives from the outside looking in provide a clearer optic?

The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. THIS gubmint, its co-conspirator and collaborators, and its puppetmeisters have already declared war along several fronts on a large demo of its population, as well as upon the very US Constitution. Can this much be denied?

Given the simultaneously absurd *official* celebration of homosexuals leaders in (inexplicable high places), their gay "marriages" openly and officially lauded -- *as* Christian officers and chaplains are suspended or drummed out of the service for displaying the Bible OR counseling their men -- from what moral position should this gubmint be trusted or respected? THIS gubmint, THIS military is hijacked. Current tense. FACT. I don't need FOX News, CNN, or any "official report" to validate the obvious.

I am not besmirching the intent and honor of those who serve honorably and with love of country. Fortunately they exist, but too few remain (countless officers have been fired, resigned or retired) to challenge the current crop of subversives at *any* level, or else they'd already have done so enmass. Too few remain who would stand on tradition and the more sensible protocols followed before 2008 (which frankly even then weren't nearly as "sensible" as they should have been.)

I will concede this point -- most will know to do the right thing. But though aware of their oath to the USCON is above men, even *they* and their loyalty shall be tested.

Let's let's face it; 90% of the men who serve WILL do as they're ordered. Should COs and brass receive reports of a lying fake meme and narrative as THE reason they've been ordered to go DEFCON 1 and "repel this crazed, dangerous, organized right-wing, Christian rebellion that threatens our Republic!", they will do so. AND execute their respective mission as best as they can -- without prejudice.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-11   13:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: redleghunter, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#59)

I am here to tell all that your Active Duty military AND state NG folks have not, yet, gone completely bonkers. There are still A LOT of good people on active duty from PVT Joe Snuffy to 4 star General Whoever. These folks are not mindless automatons who will violate their oath which is to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA.

I realize that (and so does this hijacked gubmint know who they are -- hello EN-ESS-AYE.) We are grateful for such patriots (a word that incredulously has itself become a Red Flag keyword.) However hardly in great enough numbers to affect the objective of their subversive overlords...

Reminds me -- is that movie about Colonel Claus von Staffenberg on Net Flicks? ;-)

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-11   13:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: sneakypete (#72)

"Most of us would point to 9/11 as THE watershed moment that dramatic changes in the reduction of liberty began occurring in the lives of Americans."

Not even close. That happened in 1964 when Congress passed and that evil bastard LBJ signed into law "The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964" that created special classes of citizens with more rights than the rest of us.

So you're telling me that you noticed MORE "dramatic changes" in the degradation of your liberty in 1965...than right after 9/11?? You can't be serious.

Addressing the aftermath and long tern affect of the "Civil Wrongs" of 1964 is a whole different debate; As is 1973 with the legalization of infanticide (Roe v Wade), and the American Psychiatric Association decision to reclassify homosexuality as a mental illness.

MUCH closer in time and also a serious threat to peace and stability in the world,but that really began when Bubba Bill had government agents (some with badges and some hired by the month) to either infiltrate or begin their own militia groups. The results were Ruby Ridge,Waco,Tx,and the OKC federal building being turned into rubble.

Valid observations. But still not close to being the watershed moment of 9/11 when immediately afterward the Patriot Act was enacted (but NOT read) along with the creation of the Dept of Reichland Security. They were given carte blanche to basically eviscerate nuns in wheel chairs and WWII heroes, while at the same time ignoring Abdul in fatigues. AND also spy on that same nun and WWII hero's emails, phone calls, and online activity at the same time. It was also in the wake of that aftermath that an American President publicly lectured We The People on the definition of Islam as the "Religion of Peace."

Make no mistake about it,ALL THREE were the result of schemes dreamnt up in govrnment buildings in Washington,DC.

Sadly, I agree...or...perhaps those schemes were hatched in the bowels of Bilderberg HQ or at a smoking lounge at a Swiss bank.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-11   13:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: hondo68 (#81)

If Wacko Bird McCain likes Jade Helm 15, then it has to be bad news for America.

Yup. McStain's pleasures are a litmus test for what is exactly WRONG.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-11   13:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: nolu chan (#87)

Chan -- as always I appreciate your attention to detail, history, and precedence. No one brings to the table this level of scrutiny and technicality. Arguably, Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War and the utter abuse of the US Constitution *was* more of a watershed moment of loss of liberty than 9/11. Though that as it may have been at the time -- especially in the South -- to many people in the north Lincoln's constitutional abuse made little difference and its adverse affects could not be immediately discerned.

THAT said, I would again repeat my personal observation as factual with respect to the aftermath of 9/11. The difference is that we witnessed the change in Real Time as we were dramatically affected by the constitutional and policy aftermath of this singular event. We The People's lives were immediately and forevermore changed as (under the guise of making us "safer") our personal liberty and privacy were strangled, commerce regs were affected, constitutional and congressional authority abused/ignored, faith in the fidelity of the US Government lost, and most importantly, the American psyche was irreparably scarred. The rapid loss of liberty and unlikely rapid acceptance of tyranny and a pseudo-dictatorship has been the result of the singular event of 9/11 in less than ten years.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-11   14:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Liberator (#95)

So you're telling me that you noticed MORE "dramatic changes" in the degradation of your liberty in 1965...than right after 9/11?? You can't be serious.

I am completely serious.

Valid observations. But still not close to being the watershed moment of 9/11 when immediately afterward the Patriot Act was enacted (but NOT read) along with the creation of the Dept of Reichland Security. They were given carte blanche to basically eviscerate nuns in wheel chairs and WWII heroes, while at the same time ignoring Abdul in fatigues. AND also spy on that same nun and WWII hero's emails, phone calls, and online activity at the same time.

There can be no denying that the things I mentioned set the stage for fascism like "The Patriot Act" to be blindly accepted and passed into law. Just imagine a president trying to get The Patriot Act passed without the populance already being led to believe they are in danger and need protection.

Make no mistake about it,ALL THREE were the result of schemes dreamnt up in govrnment buildings in Washington,DC.

Sadly, I agree...or...perhaps those schemes were hatched in the bowels of Bilderberg HQ or at a smoking lounge at a Swiss bank.

Which,for all practical purposes,amounts to the same thing.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-11   14:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Liberator (#93)

With all due respect my brutha, we're gonna have to disagree on the nature of this "exercise"...100%.

We can and that is good:) Good for 'We the People.'

In my old line of business I never put just one OP (observation point) out looking at a target area. I put two or more out from different vantage points to ensure the 'picture' I received on enemy formations was accurate. Some of the OPs saw a few vehicles heading into the engagement area, some saw some vehicles and soldiers moving around a ridgeline and some nothing at all.

We may be looking at things from different vantage points like the OPs above. So I welcome your vantage point along with the others posted here. I keep an open mind as mankind in their lust for power and sin cannot be trusted.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-11   14:21:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: sneakypete (#90)

They first ignored the Constitution by refusing to allow the south to withdraw from the THEN "voluntary Union" by declaring war on them.

I do not believe the Constitution addressed whether a state may, or may not, withdraw from the union. It seems to me, from the history of the union, the Articles of Confederation, and the actions of various other states after the Constitution, that secession was not unlawful or unconstitutional. Indeed, with the Constitution, eleven states effectively seceded from the existing union, leaving North Carolina and Rhode Island in the wind.

The title page of Volume 1 of the Congressional Register, the official record of the first Congress, shows,

The Congressional Register, or, History of the Proceedings and Debates of the first House of Representatives of the United States of America:

Namely, New-Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New-York, New-Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, South-Carolina and Georgia.

Being the Eleven States that have Ratified the Constitution of the Government of the United States.

Historically, we try not to explain how the United States went from a union of 13 states to a union of 11 states by making believe it never happened.

Article 2 of the AoC provided:

Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.

It is not easy to explain when or how the states threw away this declared sovereignty. The constitutional ratification documents definitely won't do.

Article 6 of the AoC contained:

No two or more States shall enter into any treaty, confederation or alliance whatever between them, without the consent of the United States in Congress assembled, specifying accurately the purposes for which the same is to be entered into, and how long it shall continue.

Article 10 provided,

The Committee of the States, or any nine of them, shall be authorized to execute, in the recess of Congress, such of the powers of Congress as the United States in Congress assembled, by the consent of the nine States, shall from time to time think expedient to vest them with; provided that no power be delegated to the said Committee, for the exercise of which, by the Articles of Confederation, the voice of nine States in the Congress of the United States assembled be requisite.

The final Article 13 begins,

Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.

The final Article 13, ends,

And that the Articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the States we respectively represent, and that the Union shall be perpetual.

So much for that perpetual union and the provisions of the Articles. Keeping that in mind, I turn to Texas v. White.

In the manufactured post-war case of Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868) (5-3) SCOTUS ruled that secession was unlawful and that no state had ever left the union.

Chief Justice Chase for the Court at 726,

When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration, or revocation, except through revolution, or through consent of the States.

Justice Grier in dissent at 739-40:

Now, whether we assume the State of Texas to be judicially in the Union (though actually out of it) or not, it will not alter the case. The contest now is between the State of Texas and her own citizens. She seeks to annul a contract with the respondents, based on the allegation that there was no authority in Texas competent to enter into an agreement during the rebellion. Having relied upon one fiction, namely, that she is a State in the Union, she now relies upon a second one, which she wishes this court to adopt, that she was not a State at all during the five years that she was in rebellion. She now sets up the plea of insanity, and asks the court to treat all her acts made during the disease as void.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-11   14:23:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: sneakypete (#90)

When the US Supreme Court told Lincoln that refusing to allow the south to secede and going to war against them was un-Constitutional, he told them if they issued that ruling he would send US Marshals around to arrest them and hold them without trial for the duration of the war.

The Supreme Court issued no such ruling holding secession or the war un-Constitutional or illegal. I'm not saying it wasn't illegal, only that SCOTUS issued no such ruling.

In the Prize Cases 67 U.S. 635 (1862) (5-4), SCOTUS upheld Lincoln and his war in progress.

As noted by James G. Randall in Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln, at page 54,

It is a significant fact that four judges out of nint, including the Chief Justice, dissented from this opinion. The grounds of their dissent were that the legal change from peace to war profoundly affects private relations; that a declaration is necessary; that a civil war must be recognized by the war-making power within the Government; that the President's power to deal with an insurrection (being an exercise of power under the municipal laws of the country, not nder the law of nations) is by no means equivalent to the war power, and that Congress alone has the power of declaring, or legally recognizing, war. According to the dissenting view, the act of Congress of July 13, 1861, which recognized a state of war as between the Government of the United States and that of the Confederate States, was the legal beginning of the war, and captures before that date were invalid.

It will be noticed that the point on which the court divided was as to the existence of a legal state of war between April and July. The whole court agreed that from July 13, 1861, when Congress officially recognized a state of war, the President became invested with the war power, and the legal concomitants of a state of war were in force. They divided, with the Chief Justice in the minority, on the question of the President's power and of the legality of the war before that time.

Whew. By 5-4, they ruled that the war then in progress had not been waged unlawfully from April to July. That was too close. The lopsided Congress soon passed legislation, and Lincoln signed it, to increase the Court to 10 justices. With the justices from the Confederate states who resigned, and the enlargement of the Court, the Court came to hold 5 Lincoln nominees, and everything thereafter was safe.

The various SCOTUS opinions touching upon the Civil War tie themselves in knots while ruling on various points in incompatible ways, according to the point desired to be made. Essentially, the Constitution was subjected to serial rape.

I believe you may be inaccurately recalling the case of Ex Parte Merryman which involved the suspension of the privilege of habeas corpus by a military officer in Pennsylvania and ordering the arrest of John Merryman in Maryland.

The result was not an opinion of the Supreme Court proper, but an "in chambers" opinion of Chief Justice Taney sitting in the Circuit Court but acting as the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Taney ruled that the suspension of the privilege of the writ was unlawful and ordered General Cadwallader (in possession of the body of John Merryman) to appear before the Court. Lincoln's decision was to ignore the ruling of Chief Justice Taney. There is substantial evidence that Lincoln issued a warrant for the arrest of Taney and gave same to Marshal Ward Hill Lamon, but Lamon never executed the warrant.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-11   14:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Liberator (#97)

THAT said, I would again repeat my personal observation as factual with respect to the aftermath of 9/11. The difference is that we witnessed the change in Real Time as we were dramatically affected by the constitutional and policy aftermath of this singular event.

I would certainly agree that we witnessed changes and became aware more quickly and dramatically. Technological advances have made gobs of information readily available. Attempted explanations of the collapse mechanisms of 1, 2, and 7 WTC defied the laws of physics. The encroachment of rights has been an ongoing effort with the earlier historical events certainly being less dramatic in real time, but having enduring effect. Much of the legal defense offered for Bush-Cheney came from the civil war era. I am only supplementing the historical knowledge base.

As for the USA PATRIOT Act, the Act itself is almost unreadable as a series of amendments to other cited laws. The actual title is a hoot: "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001".

A watershed event separating the American people from their belief in the government was the Kennedy assassination and the Warren Report and the unindexed 26 volumes on the hearings, and the "magic bullet." This strongly contributed to the people questioning the credibility of the government ever since.

I would observe that the Sedition Acts had a strong negative response. Their content is scarcely believeable today. It was illegal to criticize the form of government under penalty of fine and up to 20 years in prison.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=719

596

FIFTH CONGRESS. Sess. II. Ch. 73, 74. 1798.

Approved, July 14, 1798.

Chap. LXXIV.—An Act in addition to the act, entitled "An act for the pun­ishment of certain crimes against the United States."

Section 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That if any persons shall unlawfully combine or conspire together, with intent to oppose any measure or measures of the government of the United States, which are or shall be directed by proper authority, or to impede the operation of any law of the United States, or to intimidate or pre­vent any person holding a place or office in or under the government of the United States, from undertaking, performing or executing his trust or duty; and if any person or persons, with intent as aforesaid, shall counsel, advise or attempt to procure any insurrection, riot, unlawful assembly, or combination, whether such conspiracy, threatening, counsel, advice, or attempt shall have the proposed effect or not, he or they shall be deemed guilty of a high misdemeanor, and on conviction, before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be pun­ished by a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars, and by imprisonment during a term not less than six months nor exceeding five years; and further, at the discretion of the court may be holden to find sureties for his good behaviour in such sum, and for such time, as the said court may direct.

Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That if any person shall write, print, utter or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written, printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous and mali­cious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame the said government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President, or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good people of the United States, or to stir up sedition within the United States, or to ex­cite any unlawful combinations therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such law, or of the powers in him vested by

FIFTH CONGRESS. Sess. II. Ch. 75. 1798.

597

the constitution of the United States, or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act, or to aid, encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against the United States, their people or government, then such person, being thereof convicted before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not ex­ceeding two thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years.

Sec. 3. And be it further enacted and declared, That if any person shall be prosecuted under this act, for the writing or publishing any libel aforesaid, it shall be lawful for the defendant, upon the trial of the cause, to give in evidence in his defence, the truth of the matter contained in the publication charged as a libel. And the jury who shall try the cause, shall have a right to determine the law and the fact, under the direction of the court, as in other cases.

Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That this act shall continue and be in force until the third day of March, one thousand eight hundred and one, and no longer: Provided, that the expiration of the act shall not prevent or defeat a prosecution and punishment of any offence against the law, during the time it shall be in force.

Approved, July 14, 1798.

Following that nonsense by President John Adams, the Federalists faded into extinction.

That did not prevent a WWI resurrection with the Espionage Act of 1918 (really sedition provisions added as an amendment to the Espionage Act of 1917).

http://www.legisworks.org/congress/65/publaw-150.pdf

Be it enacted hy the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That section three of title one of the Act entitled "An Act to punish acts of interference with foreign relations, the neutrality, and the foreign commerce of the United States, to punish espionage, and better to enforce the criminal laws of the United States, and for other purposes," approved June fifteenth, nineteen hundred and seventeen, be, and the same is hereby, amended so as to read as follows:

"Sec. 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall

[...]

publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States, or the flag of the United States, or the uniform of the Army or Navy of the United States, or any language intended to bring the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States, or the flag of the United States, or the uniform of the Army or Navy of the United States into contempt, scorn, contumely, or disrepute

[...]

shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both: Provided, That any employee or official of the United States Government who commits any disloyal act or utters any unpatriotic or disloyal lan­guage, or who, in an abusive and violent manner criticizes the Army or Navy or the flag of the United States shall be at once dismissed from the service. Any such employee shall be dismissed by the head of the department in which the employee may be engaged, and any such official shall be dismissed by the authority having power to appoint a successor to the dismissed official."

[snip]

Lincoln used a more direct method of sending the army to smash printing presses, imprison editors without charge, and deny use of the mail to critical publications. A critical Ohio former congressman was tried and convicted by a military tribunal and transported and dumped behind Confederate lines.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-11   15:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: sneakypete, Liberator (#98)

So you're telling me that you noticed MORE "dramatic changes" in the degradation of your liberty in 1965...than right after 9/11?? You can't be serious.

I am completely serious.

I believe the dramatic change of the attitude of the people toward their government was more dramatic in the sixties than the naughties. The sixties "revolution" saw a radical sea change.

This is not directly on point to degradation of individual liberties.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-11   15:31:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: nolu chan, sneakypete (#103)

I believe the dramatic change of the attitude of the people toward their government was more dramatic in the sixties than the naughties. The sixties "revolution" saw a radical sea change.

This is not directly on point to degradation of individual liberties.

Overall, the 1960s did indeed become tumultuous and radical as the degradation of respect for the gubmint began spiraling out of control. But no, not with respect to "liberty."

The mid/late 60s was THE decade of "freedom"; Freedom from authoritah, and freedom to do anything. Even be an open anarchist against gubmint. And recall the ease with which college campuses could be taken over by students? Sit-ins, walk-outs, and blatant disdain disrespect for authority? (Thanks to govt paid disruptors, it's making a come-back in local places. Like...Baltimore, NYC, and St. Louis!)

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-11   15:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: redleghunter, Liberator, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#59)

ALL these military exercises are obviously NOT in preparation for subduing urban (as well as suburban) populations in any foreign nation, but instead in preparation of subduing the citizenry in US cities and towns. Frankly, I don't understand how or why this subversive mission is even questioned, considering the identities of those who lord over us.

I am here to tell all that your Active Duty military AND state NG folks have not, yet, gone completely bonkers. There are still A LOT of good people on active duty from PVT Joe Snuffy to 4 star General Whoever. These folks are not mindless automatons who will violate their oath which is to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA.

The civilian politicos will have quite a job persuading the military to identify American civilians as the enemy.

If the civilian politicos issued an order to subdue large urban civilian populations, presumably to include their family members, the civilian politicos might find noncompliance or worse.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-11   15:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: nolu chan (#102)

Lincoln used a more direct method of sending the army to smash printing presses, imprison editors without charge, and deny use of the mail to critical publications. A critical Ohio former congressman was tried and convicted by a military tribunal and transported and dumped behind Confederate lines.

NOT taught in US history books. AND, you can't make this stuff up. But because there's the Lincoln memorial in DC and giant bust of him on Mount Rushmore, he MUST have been a great crusader for "freedom" as well as the Republic under God (for which it stands)! Funny how this has all worked out........NOT!

As for the USA PATRIOT Act, the Act itself is almost unreadable as a series of amendments to other cited laws. The actual title is a hoot: "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001".

Truly a puke-worthy hoot. Chan, was this instrument originally authored during Bubba's regime?

As to the Sedition Act....wow. Well, in defense of Adams' paranoia, the Republic was still shaky.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-11   16:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: nolu chan (#105)

If the civilian politicos issued an order to subdue large urban civilian populations, presumably to include their family members, the civilian politicos might find noncompliance or worse.

I agree. As I stated earlier, the military (your's truly and my family) have families living in local communities. They would be askinig to 'invade' their own neighborhoods.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-11   16:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: nolu chan, redleghunter, Deckard, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#105) (Edited)

The civilian politicos will have quite a job persuading the military to identify American civilians as the enemy.

If the civilian politicos issued an order to subdue large urban civilian populations, presumably to include their family members, the civilian politicos might find noncompliance or worse.

Considering the actual "mission" is ostensibly to help further Divide & Conquer, and help reinforce overwhelming the status quo through Coward-Piven, creating this potential conundrum makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-11   16:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: redleghunter (#99)

In my old line of business I never put just one OP (observation point) out looking at a target area. I put two or more out from different vantage points to ensure the 'picture' I received on enemy formations was accurate. Some of the OPs saw a few vehicles heading into the engagement area, some saw some vehicles and soldiers moving around a ridgeline and some nothing at all.

We may be looking at things from different vantage points like the OPs above.

Excellent perspective. Good way to handle a chamo'ed opposition.

What I might not see from *my* angle someone else sees clearly.

I keep an open mind as mankind in their lust for power and sin cannot be trusted.

It's becoming more of a problem every day :-( That betrayal hurts even more when those folks are ones you've respected and trusted for so long.

If I were Santa Claus, the "naughty & nice" list would be extremely lopsided; I'd be running out of coal :-)

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-11   16:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Liberator (#109)

If I were Santa Claus, the "naughty & nice" list would be extremely lopsided; I'd be running out of coal :-)

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-11   16:19:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: redleghunter (#110)

(right on cue) Hilarious! I watched the whole thing...though now I'll have nightmares...heh.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-11   16:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: redleghunter (#110)

Reminds me...

What lunatic came up with (and ok'd) *this* creepiest commercial of all time?

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-11   17:32:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Liberator (#112)

Dunno..But I believe that creepy commercial was aired during a Super Bowl about 7 or 8 years ago.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-11   17:47:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Liberator, redleghunter, Deckard, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#108)

Considering the actual "mission" is ostensibly to help further Divide & Conquer, and help reinforce overwhelming the status quo through Coward-Piven, creating this potential conundrum makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

At this time, I feel it makes poor sense to advance this mission to action. I imagine the result to resemble the Soviet coup attempt with the government politicos inside looking out and seeing something like Yeltsin and the tanks outside. When the tanks opened fire, it strongly encouraged the coup leaders to realize they had incorrectly estimated the results of their actions, and to get their minds right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt

In our civil war, troops were raised by states. Troops of one state could be used to invade another. At the outset, troops from Massachusetts went into Maryland. Many aliens were recruited right off the boat.

Perhaps the government can get aliens into the military, and this has been raised in conjunction with an immigration program, giving citizenship for military service. Done in sufficient quantity, it could alter the balance of consideration within the military. An alien U.S. army, what a concept!

We ain't quite there yet.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-11   18:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Liberator (#106)

Chan, was this instrument originally authored during Bubba's regime?

One may wonder how it got drafted so quickly, but a claim prior authorship would be speculation. I have no knowledge of such authorship.

It was introduced into Congress on 23 Oct 2001 and rammed through by 26 Oct 2001. Ostensibly, it was a reaction to 9/11. Kind of like the unAffordable Care Act, they did not have time to read it before voting on it.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/house-bill/3162/actions

nolu chan  posted on  2015-06-11   18:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: redleghunter (#91)

We told him to buy a 5K generator and crank it up next to his bedroom window to help him sleep:)

Not if it's one of those little Hondas, it's gotta be one with a noisy Kohler or an Onan engine on it with a hole in the muffler. :)

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-11   18:43:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: redleghunter (#92)

It sounds like 'fun' even in MOPP gear:)

This is the original AM2 matting that we trained on, it was made out of aluminum and you could build a patch/mat as big as you wanted as you can see in the picture. It was the replacement for the old crappy pierced steel mat (Marston matting) they used during WW2 and Korea.

We were making "roughly" 85X85' mats that were assembled off to one side of the crater and would be towed into place with 2 front end loaders. Then the ramps would be installed and the whole mat would be anchored to the runway with 1' long bronze bolts and a hot phosphorus mixture that would harden very quickly.

You definitely got a good workout when you assembled one of these cause the short pieces weighed around 80lbs each and the long ones right at 150lbs each. Try doing this at night in full MOPP gear, can't see crap (when your mask fogged up) and you can't hear anything verbal with all the equipment buzzing around.

Then during the 90s they started using the fiberglass mat that came in 2 accordion folded pieces and was put together in the middle. This site should give you a good idea as how it looked and assembled, go to the "image gallery". From the looks of those pictures some of them were taken at Hurlbert Field in Florida cause the guys in red hats were Red Horse training cadre. I was Red Horse during my first duty assignemt in Wethersfield, England and that was where I learned to assemble the AM2 matting.

http://rapidrunwayrepair.com/index.html

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-11   19:23:09 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: CZ82 (#117)

Hard work and no doubt rewarding. Good PT!:)

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-11   21:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: nolu chan (#101)

The Supreme Court issued no such ruling holding secession or the war un-Constitutional or illegal. I'm not saying it wasn't illegal, only that SCOTUS issued no such ruling.

The way I remember reading about it,the issue was never formally put before them. The Chief Justice merely advised Lincoln that what he was doing was illegal,and then was threatened with arrest if he issued that opinion.

Not being a fool,he kept his opinions to himself.

I believe you may be inaccurately recalling the case of Ex Parte Merryman which involved the suspension of the privilege of habeas corpus by a military officer in Pennsylvania and ordering the arrest of John Merryman in Maryland.

It has been decades since I read about this,but I read it in a book that was supposed to have been based on Lincoln's diary,the memoirs of those involved,and public documents.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-11   22:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: nolu chan (#103)

believe the dramatic change of the attitude of the people toward their government was more dramatic in the sixties than the naughties. The sixties "revolution" saw a radical sea change.

I agree. It never even occurred to those of us who grew up in the 1950's and earlier that you couldn't trust your own government. Not that it wasn't possible for them to screw up,but the thought that they would purposely do things to cause harm to us as a nation and as individuals was totally foreign to most of us.

The 1960's changed that forever.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-11   22:46:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: nolu chan (#105)

If the civilian politicos issued an order to subdue large urban civilian populations, presumably to include their family members, the civilian politicos might find noncompliance or worse.

It is my belief they will find themselves locked up instead.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-11   22:48:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Liberator (#112)

The Burger King seriously creeps me out. WTH were these people thinking?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-11   22:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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