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Title: More 1 AM Jade Helm Pre-Training: “YOU MAY HEAR HELICOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.”
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URL Source: http://truthstreammedia.com/2015/06 ... ions-please-do-not-be-alarmed/
Published: Jun 7, 2015
Author: Aaron and Melissa Dykes
Post Date: 2015-06-09 09:55:55 by Deckard
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When the American flag is flown upside down, if you were not aware, it is a signal of dire distress. Can you imagine what it is like to suddenly have low-flying military helicopters, explosions, and gunfire rocking your home in the middle of the night? This message went out on Facebook around midnight last night from the official Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page: “ATTENTION VIEWERS: PER FLINT POLICE OPERATIONS (FPO) THE US ARMY IS DOING TRAINING IN FLINT THIS WEEKEND AND YOU MAY HEAR HELCOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.” That message was sent out last night around midnight. Over the next few hours, some concerned and even downright scared citizens responded to what was taking place over and around their homes. Many were asking if this was part of Jade Helm. While several others in the thread responded said it was, the Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page never officially confirmed or denied this. Although some people were essentially congratulating the authorities for this last-minute martial law training in their neighborhood streets, others were more afraid of the attitudes of their fellow Americans. Around 8 p.m. Saturday night, M Live reported that police were coordinating safety measures for military exercises that were being announced for three areas in Flint: Police warn that helicopters and small explosions are expected to be part of the exercise. The exercise is controlled and contained, and police said there is no reason to be alarmed. The training exercises will conclude later Saturday night. Police announced Friday the exercises would take place over the weekend, and residents in the areas where training was taking place would be notified. Explosions rocked Flint’s East Side Tuesday, June 2, as the city warned residents to prepare for simulated ammunition fire and helicopters as U.S. Army soldiers begin 10 days of training. On Saturday afternoon, members of the U.S. Army National Guard 1776 MP Company went to Mounds RV Park in Mt. Morris to train in armored security vehicles. Some 60 to 70 soldiers were on site, ready to train to receive their licenses to operate the vehicles. Noting that the training would take place Saturday night kinda misleads one to believe it will be at a reasonable hour, doesn’t it? Flint, Michigan only has 100,000 people. It’s not a huge city. Why should people expect a small-scale war to suddenly break out on their streets? No explanation was ever given as to why this training could not have been conducted on a military base instead of on the residential streets of Flint, Michigan. This isn’t just one evening. This is ten days of hardcore military training. Ten days of low-flying chinooks in the middle of the night. Ten days of random gunfire and explosions breaking out. Ten days of armored military vehicles cruising the roads. Ten days of increased military presence in the streets of yet another American city. Imagine explaining this to your terrified children who are awakened in the middle of the night by what sounds like war breaking out in their Flint, Michigan backyard. Of course, if Flint residents happened to not be watching their TVs or checking up on law enforcement’s social media pages like the Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page, they wouldn’t have known, would they? Unannounced or barely announced military drills complete with realistic-sounding explosions, military hardware and even the detainment of mock dissidents have become a much more frequent occurrence on Main Street U.S.A. in recent months. In the lead up to this July’s Jade Helm drill, during which local, state, and federal law enforcement and military agencies will be teaming up and training together all across the Southwest for what we are told are international battlefields far far away, it has been happening more and more. We have no Posse Comitatus, quite obviously. Martial law desensitization is in full swing. Disruptive and alarming drills continue to break out in sporadic locations across the country. As unannounced and unnerving as they are to local residents, a bigger and much uglier picture is being painted here. Did you know that after the American Revolutionary War, most people in this country considered a standing army to be one of the most dangerous threats to liberty imaginable? Skip ahead a couple hundred years. Now look at where we are. This is America now. This is what our nation has become. Look around. Are we really a free country? We should not allow ourselves to be conditioned to accept and expect warfare in our backyards. There is every reason not to want the military to get used to training in our streets with our militarized police forces, much less carrying out raids on the citizens, and patrolling us. There is every reason not to want our neighbors, friends, and family to become acclimated to it either. There is every reason to question and speak out against this. Has anyone even sufficiently justified why this is really necessary? “For your safety” just isn’t cutting it anymore. Despite what the NDAA says, America is not a battlefield. The fact that officials see it as otherwise is deeply alarming and signals nothing less than tyranny. (H/T: Chris VanWyck) Delivered by The Daily Sheeple Contributed by Truthstream Media of TruthstreamMedia.com. Aaron Dykes and Melissa Melton created Truthstream Media.com as an outlet to examine the news, place it in a broader context, uncover the deceptions, pierce through the fabric of illusions, grasp the underlying factors, know the real enemy, unshackle from the system, and begin to imagine the path towards taking back our lives, one step at a time, so that one day we might truly be free…
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...when our freedom-loving soldiers knock on your doors and ask you to surrender all your firearms and denounce any neighbors who might have weapons or make surly remarks about the federal government.
Utterly bizarre and disgraceful. What are they waiting for? Can't the FEMA Camps be opened tomorrow and Martial Law declared yesterday?? Sure -- there might be the satisfaction of seeing your liberal neighbor or Statist shills there with you, spacing out in shock and disbelief through the barbed wire fence. (I wonder if the Camp will awaken the prisoners...er...I mean citizens with the National Anthem or theme to Hogan's Heroes?) Martial law desensitization is in full swing.... ....There is every reason not to want our neighbors, friends, and family to become acclimated to it either. There is every reason to question and speak out against this. Has anyone even sufficiently justified why this is really necessary? “For your safety” just isn’t cutting it anymore. This snip is the absolute truth on the matter. The meme, "For your safety" has worked like a charm since 9/11. The USCON has been shredded since. And so has the truth. Though many of us respect those who serve, have you ever wondered why since 9/11, cameras have focused on police and military personnel during ballgames and events for a "moment" to "honor our brave servicemen and women for defending us" during 7th innings? Why "God Bless America" is always piped in? Why singers sporting full military dress warble (off-key) the National Anthem before games? There's an interesting revelation: It has been divulged as of late that this is NOT because stadiums, pro leagues and team owners are patriotic; It's been because the US gubmint has PAID them as a matter of propaganda, advertisement, and conditioning. Conditioning to accept military uniforms EVERYWHERE. Ergo, nothing is what it seems; This is a matter is deception, theater, and a psyop. Not a single official statement or claim from this gubmint since 9/11 can be believed. America (especially the Republican faithful) were peppered with partial truths as the MO of Dubya's globalist-run regime ran counter to common sense and constitutional law; This conveniently prepared and conditioned ALL sheeple to accept the 100% rate of lies uttered by 0blabla's regime.
It's been because the US gubmint has PAID them as a matter of propaganda, advertisement, and conditioning. Conditioning to accept military uniforms EVERYWHERE. What an utterly brilliant observation! I hadn't made any connection between Jade Helm and the military worship that has been a part of sports for the last several years. Great post, good seeing you. I always thought it was 'free' recruitment advertising. Before 9/11 military folks were those 'folks who lived on the base/fort over there.' Even though most of us lived in their towns, cities and shopped in their stores etc. So military folk in their 'business suits' at a ball game is not uncommon. We saw it during WWII, in the 50s, during Vietnam etc. Now for the article. It is also not uncommon in our American history to have military exercises on home soil off a military reservation or national training center. The largest exercise in fact were the Louisiana Maneuvers: The rain fell, too, on 350,000 U.S. soldiers and 50,000 U.S. Army vehicles as they fought the greatest sham battle in U.S. history. The attack had come before dawn. With two fast-moving, hard-hitting armored divisions leading the way, Lieutenant General Ben Lear, commander of the Second (Red) Army, had pushed his troops across the muddy Red River, was already sending long tentacles down the highways to the south, where Lieutenant General Walter Krueger’s Third (Blue) Army lay in wait. Overhead, armadas of pursuit planes fought great dogfights, while sleek A-20A attack bombers and Navy dive bombers strafed the columns of tanks and trucks moving up to the front. That excerpt from the Oct. 6, 1941, issue of Life opened a multipage feature article on the largest mass training maneuvers undertaken by the U.S. Army to date. The mock battles of what became known as the Louisiana Maneuvers had one purpose: to prepare America’s soldiers for the war that had already begun in Europe and was threatening to spread around the world. http://www.historynet.com/louisiana-maneuvers-1940-41.htm Of course the area was a lot less populated than now. However, George S. Patton did not turn his Corps on Baton Rouge and round up everyone into concentration camps. He could have as he had the men and materiel to do so. But he did not. Why? Because Patton like every Soldier, Airmen, Marine and Sailor took an oath (as they do today) to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Not the Pentagon, or some general or even the President. Military are only obligated to obey lawful orders. So these exercises are not the military coming to get us all and declare martial law. These are drug induced delusions by the same people who want to legalize recreational use of every drug under the sun to include Meth. Paranoia is a side effect of most of these drugs. And remember...military folk live in your communities, eat at the same restaurants, go to the same schools etc. We are not as cloistered as we used to be. And that is good for all of us. Plus, if this exercise the article discusses was anything important I would probably know about it;) Go ask the good people of FL what they think of the Atlantic Strike Exercise each year. I could not find the article but I remember some locals getting in a fit over all the 'fatigues' on the streets of the central FL town during the exercise. Meaning they complained the exercise was in their town off the reservation. After a bit of investigation (did not take much), she viewed military personnel in uniforms traveling from base to their off post hotels/motels. Hardly an invasion and probably appreciated by the local merchants. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Well yes I do. I live off a military installation where they do military stuff like drop bombs, fire tanks, artillery etc. Sometimes through the night. Don't these people live near a military installation? Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Not the same as running ops in American towns and cities. There would be much less fuss if this was being done at Fort Hood or on federal lands in Nevada or Wyoming.
Other than HuffPo and CT sites can you link me to the exercise directive for JH or other news source? Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
I don't think I've seen any copies posted. Another disturbing element of the entire event. If their training is so harmless, why so much secrecy? For that matter, they are emphasizing training on infiltration of civilian towns and trying to "pass" long enough to accomplish their objectives. However, there is a fundamental problem with this. The only place our soldiers can operate without uniforms apparently is here in the States. If our military attempts civilian infiltration of foreign nations, they will be non-uniformed combatants and could be summarily executed as spies/assassins. So, unless you think it's spiffy to train our troops to operate outside the Geneva Convention, then exactly what is the merit of this ridiculous exercise? What is there about it that is so invaluable that they would conduct it to the detriment of the military's reputation? No matter what it is, it is now worth doing. Jade Helm is a terrible plan and these pols should rightly be chastised for allowing the Pentagon to go nuts with such "training exercises" (for non-uniformed operations that cannot be carried out lawfully by U.S. military overseas).
Maybe some of those who think that everything is WONDERFUL under the rule of dictator Obongo, are under the influence of some happy pills, like Rush and his Oxycontin? Life is good in the gulag! /s I did this in Laos,Cambodia,and Viet Nam. So did a lot of other people. The prime reason they are doing it here in the US during training missions is some soldiers,mostly people in leadership roles,need to experience this sort of thing from the perspective of the people you will be running operations against in real world deployments so you can have insights on how civilian populations will react and the things they will do. Realistic training saves lives. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I pinged two SF soldiers. Know quite a few myself. Part of every SFQT training is an infiltration course out on the "economy." I'm sure they can tell you this has been going on since the 60s. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
So you think it's legitimate for our military to practice at violating the Geneva Conventions and/or conducting military operations against American civilians here in the States? All this lawlessness that has become a constant theme of the Obola era will not end well. Obviously, we need to sharply cut military spending across the board.
Never been in the military,have you,bubba? A training exercise is NOT "conducting military operations against American civilians." All this lawlessness that has become a constant theme of the Obola era will not end well. Really? I had no idea that Obomber was president during WW-2. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Part of every SFQT training is an infiltration course out on the "economy." I'm sure they can tell you this has been going on since the 60s. << It's been going on as a part of the formal training with SF since the early 1950's,and more casually since WW-2 as the newly formed paratrooper divisions were preparing to jump into occupied Europe,where they would sometimes need the help of partisans for directions and discriptions of enemy positions. Paratroopers,by definition jump in behind enemy lines,so there had to be some training about how to deal with local civilians and utilize them when necessary. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You know I don't remember the civilians in Europe whining when Reforger was going on every year. And any damage that was caused by the troops was always fixed/paid for. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
They were always in American uniform.
All this lawlessness that has become a constant theme of the Obola era will not end well. Obviously, we need to sharply cut military spending across the board. Frankly we need to sharply cut the government spending on the salaries of the political masters. So you think it's legitimate for our military to practice at violating the Geneva Conventions and/or conducting military operations against American civilians here in the States? Show it...The military farts and the ACLU is there to smell it. Military personnel get in a bar fight and it's 'news' even here in Texas. Show me. Not these delusional and paranoid 'sources' Deckard posts. The infiltration course of SFQT avoids contact with the local populace. That's the purpose of the exercise. To go deep into an area of operations undetected. Not to interact with the local populace. 101st Airborne conducts Air Assault training from Florida to the Carolinas to Kentucky every year since the Cold War. They don't go into towns and cities but are out on the countryside establishing LZs. The sources so far published here show a military exercise led by Special Forces rounding up civilians. That is not a mission of SF nor do they have the logistical capacity for such missions. Any interaction with the local populace is done via the various state's National Guard. Any training states side in preparation for deployment overseas involving civilians is done via 'actor' civilian role players. Until someone can come up with a credible source on this JH exercise itself, as in an exercise directive, all we have are the usual hysterical piecemeal specious sites 'reporting' this. 25 years of military experience conducting exercises here and overseas tell me what is being presented here of our active duty military interacting with an unwillful local populace is bunk. Reports of helicopters flying low, explosions of artillery and tanks at a local impact area is not out of the norm states side. We forget a lot of these smaller military installations were active during the Cold War and saw little use since then. Lastly, the very first of our citizens who would cry foul of military intervention for even an exercise, would be active duty military. So someone needs to show me this exercise. Show me the Soldiers on the ground and the patches on their left shoulder. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
We are also dealing with an American populous where only the older folk remember the days of Cold War stateside training. The presence back then was on a larger scale. Add to the fact that we have more urban sprawl now so greater chance of civilians seeing what has been happening. Add to that blogs etc reporting such. Just last year someone on LP reported seeing a long train with military equipment on it and opined that the equipment was going to be used for one of these FEMA exercises. We used to get reports of military AF aircraft flying low in some areas. I wonder if they all just slept through it all during the Cold War when SAC was flying all over the place and we had I think (Gary and Pete help me here) 5 NG/Reserve SF Groups training stateside often on weekends and for their annual training in the summer. Then again we have all lived on or next to a military installation over the years and some places in our country have not heard the 'boom' of artillery in the impact area since the Cold War. Some were even immune to it back then. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
They were always in American uniform. No,they weren't. Some were always in civilian clothes playing the role of locals. Not to mention all the escape and evasion courses given to air crews that may have gotten shot down in Europe and who needed to dress in civilian clothes to avoid capture by the Nazi's. Or POW's who escaped. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I thought this might interest you -
The Pentagon press releases mention infiltrating civilian areas undetected and the sound of guns and explosions in civilian areas. Meaning that they are in contact with or likely to be in contact with civilians. Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood? Why do they insist they must conduct their training in proximity to civilians if civilians do not comprise any element of the exercise? We have plenty of empty land and even mostly empty towns they could drill in if that is the real objective.
Not to mention all the escape and evasion courses given to air crews that may have gotten shot down in Europe and who needed to dress in civilian clothes to avoid capture by the Nazi's. Or POW's who escaped. None of whom were still under the protections of the Geneva Conventions. You do realize we have imprisoned a lot of people at Gitmo and delivered others for rendition by torture to allies like Poland, Egypt, Romania, etc. and that nearly all of them were held under the status of "unlawful combatants". What, it's wrong for foreigners to fight in civilian clothes but a glorious defense of democracy when we do it? These international standards about soldiers is meant to protect lawful soldiers and the civilian population. As with so many other things we once did right, people seem to have no regard for these norms. It seems just another example of rising lawlessless by the elites and the courts. And very few voices speaking for these policies that helped safeguard the peace and render the conduct of war a little less brutal and capricious. I am surprised that you seem to want to portray our paratroopers and special forces as being nothing more than an army of spies, saboteurs and assassins. Because if you are not in a military uniform, that is what you are.
Please post the Pentagon press release. Thanks. Where exactly are these "explosions and sound of guns" happening? Is there an old out of use NG or Federal military installation nearby? If so, was it used in the past for service practice of ammunition. Once again, to expend any pyro practice munitions or live explosives off of a military reservation is prohibited by regulations. Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood? Why do they insist they must conduct their training in proximity to civilians if civilians do not comprise any element of the exercise? Frankly there is no reason to do so as you note. We spent millions on building 'mock villages' and city streets with buildings ON military installations. We have and currently employ civilian role players for these ON military installation exercises. Arab costumes and all. Could it be some of these peaceful towns hearing explosions forgot that prior to 9/11 we had units conducting force on force training on military installations firing artillery, dropping bombs, shooting Bradley and Abrams gunnery 7 days a week 24 hours a day, but that stopped when we trained for a COIN fight? Well we are back to pre-9/11 training now. More booms in the night. Meaning that they are in contact with or likely to be in contact with civilians. So I need more evidence these explosions and gun fire are happening OFF NG and federal land. Likely does not cut it. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Author: Jade Helm about winning civilian trust ...a few years ago, U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) officials decided they needed a new method of warfare to combat untraditional foes like al-Qaida, so they vowed to “master the human domain.” “What that does is it basically requires the military to adopt a strategy that leads to long-term relations in order to win military battles,” Chumley explained. Such a strategy involves dropping Special Forces in targeted areas, where they try to blend in with the local civilian population. The key is for the soldiers to build trust among the civilians and subsequently influence their behaviors. Lastly, the very first of our citizens who would cry foul of military intervention for even an exercise, would be active duty military. Soldiers will follow the orders of those above. U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens Will You Fire On American Citizens? The above question is quickly becoming the new litmus test for military officers to retain their rank. My military sources have been telling me that one of the primary reasons that we have seen a wholesale leadership change in the military, with over 260 senior command officers fired under Obama, is because many in our military will not indiscriminately fire upon innocent American citizens who refuse to submit to gun confiscation. This fact is verified by former Navy Seal Benjamin Smith as he has clearly stated that the Obama administration has a new “litmus test” for officers in the U.S. military,which asks officers if they’ll command their troops to confiscate firearms from Americans. More confirmation of this litmus test comes from ex-CIA agent, Dr. Jim Garrow. His account, listed below, is chilling, because it matches what I have been told by military personnel dating back to the Benghazi cover-up. Many veterans HAVE spoken out about this. Did you even skim the article in this thread? “ATTENTION VIEWERS: PER FLINT POLICE OPERATIONS (FPO) THE US ARMY IS DOING TRAINING IN FLINT THIS WEEKEND AND YOU MAY HEAR HELCOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.” They have steadily issued these warnings and descriptions of what the civilians should expect during these "exercises". I'm not sure why you suddenly want to pretend otherwise. CNN: "Abbott ordered the guard to "monitor" the eight week-long exercise which begins in July and ends in September, across seven states. In Texas, Utah and New Mexico most of the training will take place on private land. In Arizona, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi, much of it will take place on military installations."
Explosions rock Michigan neighborhood as US Army urban military training exercise begins (Flint, MI) Flint is nowhere near Selfridge, which incidentally is an Air Force Base. Do something about your paranoia....you need to calm down.
Many? Name only 500, please.
Because any training that isn't realistic is a waste of time and money,and accomplishes nothing. Why do they insist they must conduct their training in proximity to civilians if civilians do not comprise any element of the exercise? If they did it in secret far,far away from the gathering crowds,you would be bitching about "secret military operations training soldiers to take over America". Nobody,including you,can have it both ways. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Do you EVER write about anything you know something about? Prisoners of war HAVE A OBLIGATION TO ESCAPE. Once they do escape,it is legal under international law to shoot them on sightg. And we ALL know how considerate the Nazi's were about human life,right? If there is one thing they and the Soviets were known for,it was their sense of humanity. If someone were to magically take away your paranoia,you would no longer have a reason to live. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Because any training that isn't realistic is a waste of time and money,and accomplishes nothing. Author: Jade Helm about winning civilian trust “The fact that they’re doing this on American soil outside of U.S. military bases is at least worthy of watching and asking some questions, because the military basically trains where it’s going to be doing missions,” she reasoned. “So if they’re training on civilian grounds, in communities in seven different states, then you have to wonder, what are they training for?” That strategy was new in 1941. Ever hear of the OSS? Where do you think the people that started Special Forces came from? Many veterans HAVE spoken out about this. And many veterans don't know squat about warfare. Not even the ones that served in uniform during wartime. Just because someone wore a uniform,that doesn't mean they were ever in combat,or even close enough to it to hear distant explosions. Probably 90 percent of the US Army and the USMC never hear a shot fired their whole career that wasn't fired on a rifle range,and that figure jumps to damn near 100 percent when you are talking about the USAF,the USN,or the USCG. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Sounds like she is as clueless about the military as you are,but at least she has the excuse of being female. Why don't YOU just man up,enlist in the Army or the MC,and volunteer for duty with the Rangers or Force Recon,and find out for yourself? People with experience who DO know what they are talking about try to explain this stuff to you,but you are too arrogant and paranoid to listen,so enlist and find out for yourself,bucky! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You might have a valid point if the Special Forces infiltration was going on in Muslim strongholds like Dearbornistan. What intel do they hope to gather by infiltrating American towns? Who the gun owners and dissidents are? Where the local milita is meeting? Get off this thread. Immediately. Your toxic spamming, trolling, otherwise disruptive agenda has no place in a cerebral discussion over issue that are clearly beyond your intellect and mission. AS A SUBVERSIVE.
This happened in Michigan, right? You have stated that you live in Michigan, right?
Not true. My military sources have been telling me that one of the primary reasons that we have seen a wholesale leadership change in the military, with over 260 senior command officers fired under Obama... The source is flawed. Yes Obolo has fired senior 4 and 3 star generals but not 260 senior commanders. I would like to see this source's source or list. I will know quite a few names on the list. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Everyone knows the answer to that question. The local militia meets in a phone booth on the 2nd Sunday of each month.
The terrain and the tactical problems presented by the terrain are different in Muslim neighborhoods than "regular,unleaded neighborhoods" How so? BTW,the people that benefit the most from this trainging are the conventional infantry and close infantry support units. Despite what you see in the movies,other than Delta Force,Special Forces soldiers are not combat assault troops. They are leaders and instructors. As such their role in these scenarios is always as the enemy the conventional forces are going up against. It helps to sharpen the skills of both. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Gosh sneaky, I figured that would be obvious. If you are training to infiltrate Muslims you go to Muslim towns or you train in the Middle East. If you are training to implement martial law in America, you train in America. I can't make it any simpler than that for you. Oh - one more thing. This is not the same army that you were a part of during your "glory days". But the leadership meets in the local Holiday Inn,or the nearest FBI office. Whichever is closer. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
ROFLMAO! Good one! I have no idea why the Special Operations Command hasn't hired you as a consultant. (EXTREME sarcasm) Oh - one more thing. This is not the same army that you were a part of during your "glory days". And how do you know this? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Here's a local source: Flint residents will be notified as military exercises continue, city says Seems the local township leaders not only knew about this but coordinated with the military to allow them to use a closed junior HS building. Where I agree with you is there are ample DoD and NG facilities to conduct the pyro (blank ammunition) exercises so township folks don't think they live in Vieques PR or Killeen Texas or Fayettville NC. However, the 'blending in' part of the training has been happening since we have had SF. Those exercises are coordinated with local authorities as well. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
That's nonsense. No one objects to training on military bases or military reservations like Fort Hood. Or on remote federal lands which is also routine.
Why not train in Dearborn, Michigan instead of Flint. Dearborn has the largest Arab community in the States by far. At least you might argue it is more realistic training, based on recent, current, and likely upcoming wars.
And when did we ever penalize them for failing to do so (or at least try to escape)?
Ok, she starts out pretty good: “The fact that they’re doing this on American soil outside of U.S. military bases is at least worthy of watching and asking some questions..." I agree. This is where she draws conclusions based on paranoia or lack of understanding the type of military doing these exercises: "...because the military basically trains where it’s going to be doing missions,” she reasoned. “So if they’re training on civilian grounds, in communities in seven different states, then you have to wonder, what are they training for?” She incorrectly addressed the purpose of military training. In the military you train as you fight. The SF travel over all kinds of terrain and need to blend in with a local populace. That's the training. SF are always training when not deployed. Where would they train with a local populace, which is the focus of their training NOT training on American 'civilian grounds.' Before the Gulf war and OIF I trained in the Mojave desert to provide a realistic setting for fighting in Iraq. That did not mean I was preparing my unit to invade Las Vegas. Her reasoning is flawed either by paranoia or more likely a lack of knowledge on how SF have trained for close to 50 years. Taking her 'reasoning' a step, what exactly can the smallest part of the military (SF) do to control a town and send them to FEMA camps? Ridiculous. Did you serve in the military? "...what are they training for?” Answer: Afghanistan, Iraq, Horn of Africa, South America, and all points outside our borders. Now the lady who made the above quotes wants to worry about something then she be worried what the National Guard is doing, not the Active Military. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Indeed, only a Special Olympian would think that a militia remains a valid concept.
There is a big difference over training in the Mojave (and in uniform) and civilian infiltration operations being held in Flint and elsewhere with gunfire and explosions inside city limits. No one has ever objected much to training in the Mojave or on bases or military reservations or semi-remote federal lands.
You're singing the theme song of the gungrabbers. Just teach enough people to think that way and it will be the end of the right to keep and bear arms.
So the answer is to join a militia where every other member is a federal plant?
What intel do they hope to gather by infiltrating American towns? Who the gun owners and dissidents are? Where the local milita is meeting? GREAT questions. The standards of military operations have morphed into an altogether different realm and objective over the decades. Especially during the current regime, which as we ALL know is hostile to everything this nation is, and has ever represented. Most of us would point to 9/11 as THE watershed moment that dramatic changes in the reduction of liberty began occurring in the lives of Americans. But if we really want to examine exactly when Americans began sacrificing liberty for "security," it began back in 1991 when Poppy Bush and his globalist NWO cadre decided to invade Iraq, disrupt life as we'd known it, shattering the peace, freedom, and optimism marked by Ronald Reagan's administration. But I digress. Here is what's going on in a nutshell: This version of the US Gubmint has *obviously* and demonstratively been co-opted by subversive elements whose ONLY objective is to complete the New World Order mission of nullifying the US Constitution and US sovereignty. ALL these military exercises are obviously NOT in preparation for subduing urban (as well as suburban) populations in any foreign nation, but instead in preparation of subduing the citizenry in US cities and towns. Frankly, I don't understand how or why this subversive mission is even questioned, considering the identities of those who lord over us. Consider: Like the mini-martial Law exercise engaged during the "Boston Marathon Bomber" (and "drill" planned during the day), the Jade Helm Op is an exercise of intimidation and execution. Only on a massive scale. It will be the first in a series of highly detailed, highly executed domestic military exercises....until the REAL thing is engaged. Nationwide. And people will believe: "Meh. It's only a drill." Look -- we here are ALL on the same side (save for one toxic troll.) How and *why should* we be convinced that ANY operation or policy facilitated by this gubmint is for our benefit? Especially Jade Helm? How can this not be a matter of obvious divide & conquer politics, a subversive policy, and giant step toward tyranny?
Yes there is a difference. However the context of her 'reasoning' is that the exercise was in preparation for operations on American soil. Which means, by her statement, she meant if a unit trains on American soil they are preparing to fight on American soil. That's quite a reach. That is why I stated the Mojave example. The focus was on terrain somewhere else and finding the 'best' available alternate here in the US. Which is what the SF are doing. Finding the best 'terrain' to train to fight the set they will see overseas. Where else can they do that training? Canada? Mexico? That presents its own problems. So yes the part of training involviing pyro explosions and simulated gun fire should all be on military reservations. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
I'm just saying that if you insist there is no such thing as a militia, your Second Amendment goes up in smoke. So I insist there is a general and unorganized militia, one which does possess the right to keep and bear arms, for defense against criminals and against any jackbooted police state that might rise up to usurp our liberties.
Recently Stefan Stanford published an article titled "Hundreds Of Miles Of Razor Wire On Convoy Trucks - Will It Be Used To Divide Colorado For Reconquista Or FEMA Camps For Those Who Rebel Against What's Coming?," where a video was provided showing a miltary convoy for the Raider Focus exercises and a very keen-eyed reader, a military veteran, noticed something very strange about the uniforms being worn by the troops participating.... something that disturbed him greatly and to which he called a "VERY big" issue. ***** (Pictures at the link) Obviously so. You have to ask what was so damned special that they felt they had to hold drills inside an abandoned junior high in a suburb of Flint, Michigan. There just isn't any good answer to that.
LOL great title. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
I have to say, SF are the WORST type of units to conduct such operations which these sites and posters attribute to them. They hold no ground, do not stay but minutes or a few hours and are gone. Now if the National Guard was seen conducting these exercises, THAT should sound the alarm. Because they can handle state by state everything these articles attribute to the grand round up operation. Plus every state NGB has a close relationship with FEMA. Keep us Active Duty guys out of this:) Look -- we here are ALL on the same side (save for one toxic troll.) How and *why should* we be convinced that ANY operation or policy facilitated by this gubmint is for our benefit? Especially Jade Helm? How can this not be a matter of obvious divide & conquer politics, a subversive policy, and giant step toward tyranny? I am here to tell all that your Active Duty military AND state NG folks have not, yet, gone completely bonkers. There are still A LOT of good people on active duty from PVT Joe Snuffy to 4 star General Whoever. These folks are not mindless automatons who will violate their oath which is to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
"Let me get this straight....they're going to lay down THAT MUCH Concertina razor wire 'just practicing' to detain people..Yeah, sure.." one commenter says as the convoy heads towards Pinon Canyon, Colorado. The 1st video below has outstanding exclusive footage of Raider Focus in Colorado from Alex Ansary, a full bore 10 1/2 minute video in which Alex shows us what's REALLY happening in the Pinon Canyon, Colorado area. I find it suspicious that they can provide so few examples of troops operating without legal uniforms. Two or three soldiers does not a jackbooted army make. And a few of those pix could have been photoshopped (or edited out of the video). Editing video is a bit harder but at such low resolutions and using gray uniforms, it is more doable by amateurs. So I didn't find that link or photos convincing.
Where were these trucks recorded? Looks like it could be Fort Carson. The one flatbed contains roughly 10% of needed C-wire to establish an area defense at the National Training Center in CA or the Yuma proving grounds. The picture of military trucks moving Class IV material without a geographic reference means nothing. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
I don't have one and you don't have one so it is a good question. One thing Pete brought up earlier is you can only do so many missions on a military reservation for SF troops before the teams get stale and in need for a more realistic and challenging mission. That could be one answer. If you keep hitting the same mock ups at 'the farm' on a military reservation, the teams become predictable. Don't know, Pete is a better SF tactician than I will ever be as I was never SF. My dealings with SF/SOF both US and Coalition was on the operational targeting level. That is how I gained some knowledge on their CONUS trainups for overseas deployments. Better question...Why did some local yokel mayor or city council give the green light for this? Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
We've seen this kind of thing before. Recall the last Big Panic over the U.N. armored trucks back at LP, maybe 1-1.5 years back? Quite the hoopla, turned out to be another big embarrassing nothing, much like those insane Hardin, Montana FEMA deathcamp threads. Hardin city council will never live down that fiasco.
Flint, at least, is really desperate for anything. So they agreed to host it and never even told their voters who they consider to be some sort of annoying grazing animals that live in the vicinity of their city hall.
Recall the last Big Panic over the U.N. armored trucks back at LP, maybe 1-1.5 years back? Quite the hoopla, turned out to be another big embarrassing nothing, much like those insane Hardin, Montana FEMA deathcamp threads. Hardin city council will never live down that fiasco. Yes and when we get these reports devoid of proper analysis it detracts from the main issue. Here's another claim from the same site: several of them pointing out the hundreds and hundreds of miles of Concertina razor wire Will have to check but don't think there are enough trucks to move that much wire in the Army. Units do move their own C-wire to the NTC, JRTC and the various proving grounds. Folks are probably seeing a lot more of this now given we are back to force on force training and not so much COIN. So they are not used to seeing trains full of tanks, brads and howitzers and trucks heading to a training site. That was quite visible in the 80s and 90s. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Dearborn has the largest Arab community in the States by far. At least you might argue it is more realistic training, based on recent, current, and likely upcoming wars. It's not. It's not better because there is no such thing as "Muslim terrain" or "Muslim tactics". You train in cities if you think you will be going to war in cities,you train in the suburbs if you think you will be going to war in the suburbs,you train in the jungle if you think you will be going to war in the jungle,you train in the mountains if you think you will be going to war in the mountains,etc,etc,etc. In FACT,training for combat in the Muddle East in an area where there are a lot of Arabs around to observe your training is foolish because and fundie Islamic locals with ties to the terrorists will get to observe the tactics you will use,and will use their knowledge to set you up for ambushes. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Beats me,but I am sure it has happened. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
On a positive note,it keeps the loons from hurting themselves and someone else. Unless of course the civilian government and their masters want someone hurt. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
We've seen these exaggerated scares before. The Hardin fiasco is a classic. The U.N. armored car fiasco was much the same, just a dozen or so being moved to port to be deployed to some legit U.N. mission overseas, very ordinary. We've had others about movement of armored vehicles and tanks on long trains which turned out to be movements to/from a training exercise in a remote area or the result of transporting tanks being taken out of service. I recall one of the first big scares involved a big former military base in Florida where thousands of white vans were stored. Instead of being the ever-present U.N./FEMA death vans, it turns out they were excess dealer stock that had piled up before the 2008 economic slowdown. I recall LP and FR all worked up, they were trying to recruit locals in Florida to sneak into this old base-turned-industrial-park to spy on the U.N./FEMA death vans, the whole tamale. Of course, it turned out to be ridiculous. Here is a selection of LP articles about Hardin (Danger: involuntary raucous laughter may ensue!) Montana AG launches probe of jail deal (Hardin and the American Police Force ) APF head Hilton has criminal past (American Police Force-Hardin, Montana) Hardin jail lands contract OUT OF TIME: CITY OF HARDIN, MONTANA--NOW BECOMING A POLICE STATE! TV Ch8 Verified As for the U.N.'s armored trucks, here's an old thread with all the usual suspects (and all the usual remarks you've come to know and love). June 2014. LP: Brand New Armored U.N. Trucks Moving Through South Georgia/Alabama
Oh. Apparently, the Green Berets are planning to go to war with some junior high schools somewhere, like the one they're training in out in Flint.
Not even close. That happened in 1964 when Congress passed and that evil bastard LBJ signed into law "The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964" that created special classes of citizens with more rights than the rest of us. But if we really want to examine exactly when Americans began sacrificing liberty for "security," it began back in 1991 when Poppy Bush and his globalist NWO cadre decided to invade Iraq,... MUCH closer in time and also a serious threat to peace and stability in the world,but that really began when Bubba Bill had government agents (some with badges and some hired by the month) to either infiltrate or begin their own militia groups. The results were Ruby Ridge,Waco,Tx,and the OKC federal building being turned into rubble. And make no mistake about it,ALL THREE were the result of schemes dreamnt up in govrnment buildings in Washington,DC. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Tell me something. Do you seriously believe all that crap,or are you just having fun pulling the chains of the simple-minded,but well-meaning? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Most likely because the buildings to be blown up were targeted by the city building inspectors for demolition anyway,and not only does this save the city taxpayers the expense of hiring a demolition firm to tear the place down/blow the place down/,they get paid a rental fee from the feds for use of the area,AND the feds promise to haul off all the ruble for free,also. Win/win for the city fathers and the city tax payers as well as for the soldiers. And this ain't even addressing all the overtime pay the feds give the city for their fire,emt,and police units to pay them for the overtime they put in to insure public safety. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It does no good to provide you with answers when you lack the ability to understand them. Tell me,Bubba. Where are hostages and POW's kept in urban areas,in tents,or in public buildings large enough to house them and their guards? Where do the enemy leadership live and do business in cities,in tents in the park? Or maybe in large public buildings buildings with lots of office space? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
PLEASE tell me that is a joke! I do see she is wearing her "Tammy Tactical" shades,so it may be real. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
When I was a kid I lived right under the flight path of WPAFB, I used to wake up and go to bed every day/night to the sound of B52s taking off and landing. After awhile you get used to the noise and don't seem to notice it anymore. Now it's so quiet where I live that I have to run a fan in my room for some background noise otherwise I can't sleep. When I was at GITMO they used to do the minefield maintenance at night for some reason, but after the first couple of mines going off you didn't notice it anymore and just slept right thru it. At Dyess (B1Bs) my office was right behind Blast Shield #8 as long as they were only running the APUs or the main engines at idle you didn't really notice it. But when they made a full power run then you had to grab things to keep them from falling on the floor and breaking. Or if you were on the phone you just hung up and called them back later. :) “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You might be surprised as to what the military does for training their people. For RRR (Rapid Runway Repair, I.E bomb damage repair to runways) exercises we would deploy to other bases and actually blow craters in old abandoned runways. Then we would clear all the big debris pieces, backfill and roll the crater, lay down the interlocking aluminum/fiberglass matting material over the backfilled crater, anchored the mat to the ground and swept the entire area for debris/FOD. At times we had planes actually come in and use the matted areas, the biggest I remember was a C5A when I was in England. At other times we had A10s come in and do mock strafing runs on us while we were laying the mat material. And during some of these exercises we were wearing full chemical gear in temperatures ranging from -10 up to 110 degrees. You want to lose weight wear a full chem gear ensemble in any temperature above 40 degrees and I guarantee you'll lose some. After it was all over with and you were graded you went back and picked up the mat, resurfaced the crater and poured in concrete so you could use it again sometime in the future. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You know I wonder if they are using an old base that was closed sometime in the past around Flint for their exercises, we used to do it all the time when I was in England. http://www.formerbases.com/michigan.htm “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Sen. John McCain laughed off concerns about Operation Jade Helm 15 and mocked Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's decision to monitor it. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta) If Wacko Bird McCain likes Jade Helm 15, then it has to be bad news for America. McCain would try to use the US military to protect invading forces from US citizens. He wants more cheap lettuce pickers, at any cost. Anything that traitorous POS scumbag says is a lie. Expect Gatlin to come in and defend this ISIS-loving prick. Expect Deckard to show his stupidity again. You have a short memory, or your reading comprehension is still bad. I have posted a number of times that I voted for JD in the primary….and I voted for his Dim opponent in the general. Why are you such a retard?
They are using a defunct junior high building.
It's a shame he hasn't kicked the bucket yet. With backstabbing turds like that in the mix, the GOP can never make any progress.
The reality is the GOP no longer exists except as a little brother to the DNC. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The initial salvo was the Sedition Act of 1798. And there was the Sedition Act (aka Espionage Act) of 1918. Lincoln assumed the authority to delegate to the military the authority to suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus, and the senior military were empowered to delegate the power to suspend the writ down the chain of command to lower officers. Secretary of War Stanton assumed the authority to suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus nationwide. The Kennedy assassination led to expanded jurisdiction for the FBI. And Lincoln and the Civil War Congress assumed the authority to ignore the Constitution and set up the Bureau of Internal Revenue (later renamed the Internal Revenue Service) and implement an unapportioned income tax. The federal income tax and the Internal Revenue Service did not start after the 16th Amendment in 1913. That started with the Revenue Act of 1861, effective January 1, 1862. The Act of August 5, 1861 is at 37 Stat. 292 - 313. At 292, At 309, Sec. 50. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of the President of the United States, and he is hereby authorized, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to appoint one principal assessor and one principal collector in each of the States and Territories of the United States, and in the District of Columbia, to assess and collect the internal duties or income tax imposed by this act, with authority in each of said officers to appoint so many assistants as the public service may require, to be approved by the Secretary of the Treasury. The said taxes to be assessed and collected under such regulations as the Secretary of the Treasury may prescribe. At 312: Sec. 56. And be it further enacted, That, for superintending the collection of the direct tax and internal duties or income tax laid by this act, an officer is hereby authorized in the Treasury Department, to be called "Commissioner of Taxes," who shall be charged, under the direction of the Secretary, with preparing all the forms necessary for the assessment and collection of the tax and duties aforesaid, with preparing, signing, and distributing all such licenses as are required, and with the general superintendence of all the officers employed in assessing and collecting said tax and duties; said commissioner shall be appointed by the President, upon the nomination of the Secretary of the Treasury, and he shall receive an annual salary of three thousand dollars. The Secretary of the Treasury may assign the necessary clerks to the office of said commissioner, whose aggregate salaries shall not exceed six thousand dollars per annum, and the amount required to pay the salaries of said commissioner and clerks is hereby appropriated.
In large part, due to these faux conservatives like McStain and Grahamnesty who turn conservative at each election but help the Dims otherwise. Toss in some RINOs like the Snowe or Collins or Specter. What exactly can you accomplish if you hold on the Senate is always weak? Too bad Arizona doesn't have a strong conservative congressman to take McStain's seat away from him.
Thought you guys might be interested in this. ‘The Jade Helm Deception’ with guest Matt Bracken and Jay Dyer They first ignored the Constitution by refusing to allow the south to withdraw from the THEN "voluntary Union" by declaring war on them. When the US Supreme Court told Lincoln that refusing to allow the south to secede and going to war against them was un-Constitutional,he told them if they issued that ruling he would send US Marshals around to arrest them and hold them without trial for the duration of the war. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
When I was at GITMO they used to do the minefield maintenance at night for some reason, but after the first couple of mines going off you didn't notice it anymore and just slept right thru it. LOL, yeah with me tank and artillery gunnery (booms all night long) don't wake me up. We live close to Hood. Well close enough to the impact area. My family is used to it too. We were joking in the office the other day when an older gentlemen who is retired military, said he had trouble sleeping. He moved out in the country a bit and he said it is 'too peaceful.' We told him to buy a 5K generator and crank it up next to his bedroom window to help him sleep:) Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
For RRR (Rapid Runway Repair, I.E bomb damage repair to runways) exercises I've heard of those. Thanks for the detail. It sounds like 'fun' even in MOPP gear:) Anytime you get to blow holes in the ground is fun:) Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
With all due respect my brutha, we're gonna have to disagree on the nature of this "exercise"...100%. It is not without a profound sense of grief and sadness that I know the un-thinkable *will* be occurring sooner rather than later; American troops are indeed preparing to fight on American soil. It is not only NOT a reach or paranoia, but well-founded and a foregone conclusion to many of us. Might I suggest the possibility that perspectives from the outside looking in provide a clearer optic? The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. THIS gubmint, its co-conspirator and collaborators, and its puppetmeisters have already declared war along several fronts on a large demo of its population, as well as upon the very US Constitution. Can this much be denied? Given the simultaneously absurd *official* celebration of homosexuals leaders in (inexplicable high places), their gay "marriages" openly and officially lauded -- *as* Christian officers and chaplains are suspended or drummed out of the service for displaying the Bible OR counseling their men -- from what moral position should this gubmint be trusted or respected? THIS gubmint, THIS military is hijacked. Current tense. FACT. I don't need FOX News, CNN, or any "official report" to validate the obvious. I am not besmirching the intent and honor of those who serve honorably and with love of country. Fortunately they exist, but too few remain (countless officers have been fired, resigned or retired) to challenge the current crop of subversives at *any* level, or else they'd already have done so enmass. Too few remain who would stand on tradition and the more sensible protocols followed before 2008 (which frankly even then weren't nearly as "sensible" as they should have been.) I will concede this point -- most will know to do the right thing. But though aware of their oath to the USCON is above men, even *they* and their loyalty shall be tested. Let's let's face it; 90% of the men who serve WILL do as they're ordered. Should COs and brass receive reports of a lying fake meme and narrative as THE reason they've been ordered to go DEFCON 1 and "repel this crazed, dangerous, organized right-wing, Christian rebellion that threatens our Republic!", they will do so. AND execute their respective mission as best as they can -- without prejudice.
I realize that (and so does this hijacked gubmint know who they are -- hello EN-ESS-AYE.) We are grateful for such patriots (a word that incredulously has itself become a Red Flag keyword.) However hardly in great enough numbers to affect the objective of their subversive overlords... Reminds me -- is that movie about Colonel Claus von Staffenberg on Net Flicks? ;-)
Not even close. That happened in 1964 when Congress passed and that evil bastard LBJ signed into law "The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964" that created special classes of citizens with more rights than the rest of us. So you're telling me that you noticed MORE "dramatic changes" in the degradation of your liberty in 1965...than right after 9/11?? You can't be serious. Addressing the aftermath and long tern affect of the "Civil Wrongs" of 1964 is a whole different debate; As is 1973 with the legalization of infanticide (Roe v Wade), and the American Psychiatric Association decision to reclassify homosexuality as a mental illness. MUCH closer in time and also a serious threat to peace and stability in the world,but that really began when Bubba Bill had government agents (some with badges and some hired by the month) to either infiltrate or begin their own militia groups. The results were Ruby Ridge,Waco,Tx,and the OKC federal building being turned into rubble. Valid observations. But still not close to being the watershed moment of 9/11 when immediately afterward the Patriot Act was enacted (but NOT read) along with the creation of the Dept of Reichland Security. They were given carte blanche to basically eviscerate nuns in wheel chairs and WWII heroes, while at the same time ignoring Abdul in fatigues. AND also spy on that same nun and WWII hero's emails, phone calls, and online activity at the same time. It was also in the wake of that aftermath that an American President publicly lectured We The People on the definition of Islam as the "Religion of Peace." Make no mistake about it,ALL THREE were the result of schemes dreamnt up in govrnment buildings in Washington,DC. Sadly, I agree...or...perhaps those schemes were hatched in the bowels of Bilderberg HQ or at a smoking lounge at a Swiss bank.
Yup. McStain's pleasures are a litmus test for what is exactly WRONG.
Chan -- as always I appreciate your attention to detail, history, and precedence. No one brings to the table this level of scrutiny and technicality. Arguably, Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War and the utter abuse of the US Constitution *was* more of a watershed moment of loss of liberty than 9/11. Though that as it may have been at the time -- especially in the South -- to many people in the north Lincoln's constitutional abuse made little difference and its adverse affects could not be immediately discerned. THAT said, I would again repeat my personal observation as factual with respect to the aftermath of 9/11. The difference is that we witnessed the change in Real Time as we were dramatically affected by the constitutional and policy aftermath of this singular event. We The People's lives were immediately and forevermore changed as (under the guise of making us "safer") our personal liberty and privacy were strangled, commerce regs were affected, constitutional and congressional authority abused/ignored, faith in the fidelity of the US Government lost, and most importantly, the American psyche was irreparably scarred. The rapid loss of liberty and unlikely rapid acceptance of tyranny and a pseudo-dictatorship has been the result of the singular event of 9/11 in less than ten years.
I am completely serious. Valid observations. But still not close to being the watershed moment of 9/11 when immediately afterward the Patriot Act was enacted (but NOT read) along with the creation of the Dept of Reichland Security. They were given carte blanche to basically eviscerate nuns in wheel chairs and WWII heroes, while at the same time ignoring Abdul in fatigues. AND also spy on that same nun and WWII hero's emails, phone calls, and online activity at the same time. There can be no denying that the things I mentioned set the stage for fascism like "The Patriot Act" to be blindly accepted and passed into law. Just imagine a president trying to get The Patriot Act passed without the populance already being led to believe they are in danger and need protection. Make no mistake about it,ALL THREE were the result of schemes dreamnt up in govrnment buildings in Washington,DC. Sadly, I agree...or...perhaps those schemes were hatched in the bowels of Bilderberg HQ or at a smoking lounge at a Swiss bank. Which,for all practical purposes,amounts to the same thing. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
We can and that is good:) Good for 'We the People.' In my old line of business I never put just one OP (observation point) out looking at a target area. I put two or more out from different vantage points to ensure the 'picture' I received on enemy formations was accurate. Some of the OPs saw a few vehicles heading into the engagement area, some saw some vehicles and soldiers moving around a ridgeline and some nothing at all. We may be looking at things from different vantage points like the OPs above. So I welcome your vantage point along with the others posted here. I keep an open mind as mankind in their lust for power and sin cannot be trusted. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
I do not believe the Constitution addressed whether a state may, or may not, withdraw from the union. It seems to me, from the history of the union, the Articles of Confederation, and the actions of various other states after the Constitution, that secession was not unlawful or unconstitutional. Indeed, with the Constitution, eleven states effectively seceded from the existing union, leaving North Carolina and Rhode Island in the wind. The title page of Volume 1 of the Congressional Register, the official record of the first Congress, shows, Namely, New-Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New-York, New-Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, South-Carolina and Georgia. Being the Eleven States that have Ratified the Constitution of the Government of the United States. Historically, we try not to explain how the United States went from a union of 13 states to a union of 11 states by making believe it never happened. Article 2 of the AoC provided: It is not easy to explain when or how the states threw away this declared sovereignty. The constitutional ratification documents definitely won't do. Article 6 of the AoC contained: Article 10 provided, The final Article 13 begins, The final Article 13, ends, So much for that perpetual union and the provisions of the Articles. Keeping that in mind, I turn to Texas v. White. In the manufactured post-war case of Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868) (5-3) SCOTUS ruled that secession was unlawful and that no state had ever left the union. Chief Justice Chase for the Court at 726, Justice Grier in dissent at 739-40:
The Supreme Court issued no such ruling holding secession or the war un-Constitutional or illegal. I'm not saying it wasn't illegal, only that SCOTUS issued no such ruling. In the Prize Cases 67 U.S. 635 (1862) (5-4), SCOTUS upheld Lincoln and his war in progress. As noted by James G. Randall in Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln, at page 54, It will be noticed that the point on which the court divided was as to the existence of a legal state of war between April and July. The whole court agreed that from July 13, 1861, when Congress officially recognized a state of war, the President became invested with the war power, and the legal concomitants of a state of war were in force. They divided, with the Chief Justice in the minority, on the question of the President's power and of the legality of the war before that time. Whew. By 5-4, they ruled that the war then in progress had not been waged unlawfully from April to July. That was too close. The lopsided Congress soon passed legislation, and Lincoln signed it, to increase the Court to 10 justices. With the justices from the Confederate states who resigned, and the enlargement of the Court, the Court came to hold 5 Lincoln nominees, and everything thereafter was safe. The various SCOTUS opinions touching upon the Civil War tie themselves in knots while ruling on various points in incompatible ways, according to the point desired to be made. Essentially, the Constitution was subjected to serial rape. I believe you may be inaccurately recalling the case of Ex Parte Merryman which involved the suspension of the privilege of habeas corpus by a military officer in Pennsylvania and ordering the arrest of John Merryman in Maryland. The result was not an opinion of the Supreme Court proper, but an "in chambers" opinion of Chief Justice Taney sitting in the Circuit Court but acting as the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Taney ruled that the suspension of the privilege of the writ was unlawful and ordered General Cadwallader (in possession of the body of John Merryman) to appear before the Court. Lincoln's decision was to ignore the ruling of Chief Justice Taney. There is substantial evidence that Lincoln issued a warrant for the arrest of Taney and gave same to Marshal Ward Hill Lamon, but Lamon never executed the warrant.
I would certainly agree that we witnessed changes and became aware more quickly and dramatically. Technological advances have made gobs of information readily available. Attempted explanations of the collapse mechanisms of 1, 2, and 7 WTC defied the laws of physics. The encroachment of rights has been an ongoing effort with the earlier historical events certainly being less dramatic in real time, but having enduring effect. Much of the legal defense offered for Bush-Cheney came from the civil war era. I am only supplementing the historical knowledge base. As for the USA PATRIOT Act, the Act itself is almost unreadable as a series of amendments to other cited laws. The actual title is a hoot: "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001". A watershed event separating the American people from their belief in the government was the Kennedy assassination and the Warren Report and the unindexed 26 volumes on the hearings, and the "magic bullet." This strongly contributed to the people questioning the credibility of the government ever since. I would observe that the Sedition Acts had a strong negative response. Their content is scarcely believeable today. It was illegal to criticize the form of government under penalty of fine and up to 20 years in prison. http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=719 FIFTH CONGRESS. Sess. II. Ch. 73, 74. 1798. Approved, July 14, 1798. Chap. LXXIV.—An Act in addition to the act, entitled "An act for the punishment of certain crimes against the United States." Section 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That if any persons shall unlawfully combine or conspire together, with intent to oppose any measure or measures of the government of the United States, which are or shall be directed by proper authority, or to impede the operation of any law of the United States, or to intimidate or prevent any person holding a place or office in or under the government of the United States, from undertaking, performing or executing his trust or duty; and if any person or persons, with intent as aforesaid, shall counsel, advise or attempt to procure any insurrection, riot, unlawful assembly, or combination, whether such conspiracy, threatening, counsel, advice, or attempt shall have the proposed effect or not, he or they shall be deemed guilty of a high misdemeanor, and on conviction, before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars, and by imprisonment during a term not less than six months nor exceeding five years; and further, at the discretion of the court may be holden to find sureties for his good behaviour in such sum, and for such time, as the said court may direct. Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That if any person shall write, print, utter or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written, printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame the said government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President, or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good people of the United States, or to stir up sedition within the United States, or to excite any unlawful combinations therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such law, or of the powers in him vested by FIFTH CONGRESS. Sess. II. Ch. 75. 1798. 597 the constitution of the United States, or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act, or to aid, encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against the United States, their people or government, then such person, being thereof convicted before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years. Sec. 3. And be it further enacted and declared, That if any person shall be prosecuted under this act, for the writing or publishing any libel aforesaid, it shall be lawful for the defendant, upon the trial of the cause, to give in evidence in his defence, the truth of the matter contained in the publication charged as a libel. And the jury who shall try the cause, shall have a right to determine the law and the fact, under the direction of the court, as in other cases. Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That this act shall continue and be in force until the third day of March, one thousand eight hundred and one, and no longer: Provided, that the expiration of the act shall not prevent or defeat a prosecution and punishment of any offence against the law, during the time it shall be in force. Approved, July 14, 1798. Following that nonsense by President John Adams, the Federalists faded into extinction. That did not prevent a WWI resurrection with the Espionage Act of 1918 (really sedition provisions added as an amendment to the Espionage Act of 1917). http://www.legisworks.org/congress/65/publaw-150.pdf "Sec. 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall [...] publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States, or the flag of the United States, or the uniform of the Army or Navy of the United States, or any language intended to bring the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States, or the flag of the United States, or the uniform of the Army or Navy of the United States into contempt, scorn, contumely, or disrepute [...] shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both: Provided, That any employee or official of the United States Government who commits any disloyal act or utters any unpatriotic or disloyal language, or who, in an abusive and violent manner criticizes the Army or Navy or the flag of the United States shall be at once dismissed from the service. Any such employee shall be dismissed by the head of the department in which the employee may be engaged, and any such official shall be dismissed by the authority having power to appoint a successor to the dismissed official." [snip] Lincoln used a more direct method of sending the army to smash printing presses, imprison editors without charge, and deny use of the mail to critical publications. A critical Ohio former congressman was tried and convicted by a military tribunal and transported and dumped behind Confederate lines.
I believe the dramatic change of the attitude of the people toward their government was more dramatic in the sixties than the naughties. The sixties "revolution" saw a radical sea change. This is not directly on point to degradation of individual liberties.
This is not directly on point to degradation of individual liberties. Overall, the 1960s did indeed become tumultuous and radical as the degradation of respect for the gubmint began spiraling out of control. But no, not with respect to "liberty." The mid/late 60s was THE decade of "freedom"; Freedom from authoritah, and freedom to do anything. Even be an open anarchist against gubmint. And recall the ease with which college campuses could be taken over by students? Sit-ins, walk-outs, and blatant disdain disrespect for authority? (Thanks to govt paid disruptors, it's making a come-back in local places. Like...Baltimore, NYC, and St. Louis!)
The civilian politicos will have quite a job persuading the military to identify American civilians as the enemy. If the civilian politicos issued an order to subdue large urban civilian populations, presumably to include their family members, the civilian politicos might find noncompliance or worse.
NOT taught in US history books. AND, you can't make this stuff up. But because there's the Lincoln memorial in DC and giant bust of him on Mount Rushmore, he MUST have been a great crusader for "freedom" as well as the Republic under God (for which it stands)! Funny how this has all worked out........NOT! As for the USA PATRIOT Act, the Act itself is almost unreadable as a series of amendments to other cited laws. The actual title is a hoot: "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001". Truly a puke-worthy hoot. Chan, was this instrument originally authored during Bubba's regime? As to the Sedition Act....wow. Well, in defense of Adams' paranoia, the Republic was still shaky.
I agree. As I stated earlier, the military (your's truly and my family) have families living in local communities. They would be askinig to 'invade' their own neighborhoods. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
If the civilian politicos issued an order to subdue large urban civilian populations, presumably to include their family members, the civilian politicos might find noncompliance or worse. Considering the actual "mission" is ostensibly to help further Divide & Conquer, and help reinforce overwhelming the status quo through Coward-Piven, creating this potential conundrum makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
We may be looking at things from different vantage points like the OPs above. Excellent perspective. Good way to handle a chamo'ed opposition. What I might not see from *my* angle someone else sees clearly. I keep an open mind as mankind in their lust for power and sin cannot be trusted. It's becoming more of a problem every day :-( That betrayal hurts even more when those folks are ones you've respected and trusted for so long. If I were Santa Claus, the "naughty & nice" list would be extremely lopsided; I'd be running out of coal :-)
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
(right on cue) Hilarious! I watched the whole thing...though now I'll have nightmares...heh.
Reminds me... What lunatic came up with (and ok'd) *this* creepiest commercial of all time?
Dunno..But I believe that creepy commercial was aired during a Super Bowl about 7 or 8 years ago.
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
At this time, I feel it makes poor sense to advance this mission to action. I imagine the result to resemble the Soviet coup attempt with the government politicos inside looking out and seeing something like Yeltsin and the tanks outside. When the tanks opened fire, it strongly encouraged the coup leaders to realize they had incorrectly estimated the results of their actions, and to get their minds right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt In our civil war, troops were raised by states. Troops of one state could be used to invade another. At the outset, troops from Massachusetts went into Maryland. Many aliens were recruited right off the boat. Perhaps the government can get aliens into the military, and this has been raised in conjunction with an immigration program, giving citizenship for military service. Done in sufficient quantity, it could alter the balance of consideration within the military. An alien U.S. army, what a concept! We ain't quite there yet.
One may wonder how it got drafted so quickly, but a claim prior authorship would be speculation. I have no knowledge of such authorship. It was introduced into Congress on 23 Oct 2001 and rammed through by 26 Oct 2001. Ostensibly, it was a reaction to 9/11. Kind of like the unAffordable Care Act, they did not have time to read it before voting on it. https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/house-bill/3162/actions
Not if it's one of those little Hondas, it's gotta be one with a noisy Kohler or an Onan engine on it with a hole in the muffler. :) “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
This is the original AM2 matting that we trained on, it was made out of aluminum and you could build a patch/mat as big as you wanted as you can see in the picture. It was the replacement for the old crappy pierced steel mat (Marston matting) they used during WW2 and Korea. We were making "roughly" 85X85' mats that were assembled off to one side of the crater and would be towed into place with 2 front end loaders. Then the ramps would be installed and the whole mat would be anchored to the runway with 1' long bronze bolts and a hot phosphorus mixture that would harden very quickly. You definitely got a good workout when you assembled one of these cause the short pieces weighed around 80lbs each and the long ones right at 150lbs each. Try doing this at night in full MOPP gear, can't see crap (when your mask fogged up) and you can't hear anything verbal with all the equipment buzzing around. Then during the 90s they started using the fiberglass mat that came in 2 accordion folded pieces and was put together in the middle. This site should give you a good idea as how it looked and assembled, go to the "image gallery". From the looks of those pictures some of them were taken at Hurlbert Field in Florida cause the guys in red hats were Red Horse training cadre. I was Red Horse during my first duty assignemt in Wethersfield, England and that was where I learned to assemble the AM2 matting. http://rapidrunwayrepair.com/index.html “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Hard work and no doubt rewarding. Good PT!:)
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
The Supreme Court issued no such ruling holding secession or the war un-Constitutional or illegal. I'm not saying it wasn't illegal, only that SCOTUS issued no such ruling. The way I remember reading about it,the issue was never formally put before them. The Chief Justice merely advised Lincoln that what he was doing was illegal,and then was threatened with arrest if he issued that opinion. Not being a fool,he kept his opinions to himself. I believe you may be inaccurately recalling the case of Ex Parte Merryman which involved the suspension of the privilege of habeas corpus by a military officer in Pennsylvania and ordering the arrest of John Merryman in Maryland. It has been decades since I read about this,but I read it in a book that was supposed to have been based on Lincoln's diary,the memoirs of those involved,and public documents. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I agree. It never even occurred to those of us who grew up in the 1950's and earlier that you couldn't trust your own government. Not that it wasn't possible for them to screw up,but the thought that they would purposely do things to cause harm to us as a nation and as individuals was totally foreign to most of us. The 1960's changed that forever. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It is my belief they will find themselves locked up instead. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The Burger King seriously creeps me out. WTH were these people thinking?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Title: More 1 AM Jade Helm Pre-Training: “YOU MAY HEAR HELICOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.”...
#2. To: Deckard (#0)
(Edited)
#3. To: Liberator (#2)
...have you ever wondered why since 9/11, cameras have focused on police and military personnel during ballgames and events for a "moment" to "honor our brave servicemen and women for defending us" during 7th innings?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#4. To: Liberator, TooConservative, GarySpFc, tomder55 (#2)
It has been divulged as of late that this is NOT because stadiums, pro leagues and team owners are patriotic; It's been because the US gubmint has PAID them as a matter of propaganda, advertisement, and conditioning. Conditioning to accept military uniforms EVERYWHERE. Ergo, nothing is what it seems; This is a matter is deception, theater, and a psyop.
#5. To: Deckard, GarySpFc, CZ82 (#0)
Can you imagine what it is like to suddenly have low-flying military helicopters, explosions, and gunfire rocking your home in the middle of the night?
#6. To: redleghunter (#4)
The largest exercise in fact were the Louisiana Maneuvers:
#7. To: TooConservative (#6)
Not the same as running ops in American towns and cities.
#8. To: redleghunter, Deckard, sneakypete, tpaine, Gatlin (#7)
Other than HuffPo and CT sites can you link me to the exercise directive for JH or other news source?
#9. To: redleghunter (#4)
drug induced delusions by the same people who want to legalize recreational use of every drug under the sun to include Meth. Paranoia is a side effect of most of these drugs.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#10. To: TooConservative (#8)
The only place our soldiers can operate without uniforms apparently is here in the States. If our military attempts civilian infiltration of foreign nations, they will be non-uniformed combatants and could be summarily executed as spies/assassins.
#11. To: TooConservative, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#8)
For that matter, they are emphasizing training on infiltration of civilian towns and trying to "pass" long enough to accomplish their objectives.
#12. To: redleghunter (#11)
Part of every SFQT training is an infiltration course out on the "economy." I'm sure they can tell you this has been going on since the 60s.
#13. To: TooConservative (#12)
So you think it's legitimate for our military to practice at violating the Geneva Conventions and/or conducting military operations against American civilians here in the States?
#14. To: redleghunter (#11)
#15. To: sneakypete (#10)
Realistic training saves lives.
#16. To: redleghunter, Deckard, GarySpFc (#5)
Don't these people live near a military installation?
#17. To: sneakypete (#14)
Paratroopers,by definition jump in behind enemy lines,so there had to be some training about how to deal with local civilians and utilize them when necessary.
#18. To: TooConservative, sneakypete, Deckard, GarySpFc, CZ82, liberator (#12)
So you think it's legitimate for our military to practice at violating the Geneva Conventions and/or conducting military operations against American civilians here in the States?
#19. To: CZ82, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#16)
You know I don't remember the civilians in Europe whining when Reforger was going on every year. And any damage that was caused by the troops was always fixed/paid for.
#20. To: TooConservative (#17)
Paratroopers,by definition jump in behind enemy lines,so there had to be some training about how to deal with local civilians and utilize them when necessary.
#21. To: Liberator (#2)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#22. To: redleghunter (#18)
The infiltration course of SFQT avoids contact with the local populace. That's the purpose of the exercise.
#23. To: sneakypete (#20)
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Some were always in civilian clothes playing the role of locals.
#24. To: TooConservative (#22)
The Pentagon press releases mention infiltrating civilian areas undetected and the sound of guns and explosions in civilian areas. Meaning that they are in contact with or likely to be in contact with civilians. Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood? Why do they insist they must conduct their training in proximity to civilians if civilians do not comprise any element of the exercise? We have plenty of empty land and even mostly empty towns they could drill in if that is the real objective.
#25. To: redleghunter, TooConservative, sneakypete (#18)
The infiltration course of SFQT avoids contact with the local populace. That's the purpose of the exercise.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#26. To: redleghunter (#24)
#27. To: redleghunter, TooConservative (#24)
So I need more evidence these explosions and gun fire are happening OFF NG and federal land.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#28. To: Deckard (#27)
#29. To: Deckard (#25)
Many veterans HAVE spoken out about this.
#30. To: TooConservative (#22)
Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood?
#31. To: TooConservative (#23)
None of whom were still under the protections of the Geneva Conventions.
#32. To: sneakypete, TooConservative, redleghunter, hondo68 (#30)
Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#33. To: Deckard (#25)
(Edited)
Such a strategy involves dropping Special Forces in targeted areas, where they try to blend in with the local civilian population. The key is for the soldiers to build trust among the civilians and subsequently influence their behaviors.
#34. To: Deckard (#32)
“The fact that they’re doing this on American soil outside of U.S. military bases is at least worthy of watching and asking some questions, because the military basically trains where it’s going to be doing missions,” she reasoned. “So if they’re training on civilian grounds, in communities in seven different states, then you have to wonder, what are they training for?”
#35. To: sneakypete (#33)
(Edited)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#36. To: Gatlin (#28)
#37. To: Deckard (#35)
What intel do they hope to gather by infiltrating American towns?
#38. To: Deckard (#25)
The above question is quickly becoming the new litmus test for military officers to retain their rank.
#39. To: Deckard, Buckeroo (#35)
Where the local milita is meeting?
#40. To: Deckard (#35)
(Edited)
You might have a valid point if the Special Forces infiltration was going on in Muslim strongholds like Dearbornistan.
#41. To: sneakypete (#40)
The terrain and the tactical problems presented by the terrain are different in Muslim neighborhoods than "regular,unleaded neighborhoods"
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#42. To: Vinny (#39)
The local militia meets in a phone booth on the 2nd Sunday of each month.
#43. To: Deckard (#41)
(Edited)
If you are training to infiltrate Muslims you go to Muslim towns or you train in the Middle East.
#44. To: Deckard, TooConservative, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#27)
#45. To: sneakypete (#30)
If they did it in secret far,far away from the gathering crowds,you would be bitching about "secret military operations training soldiers to take over America".
#46. To: Deckard (#41)
If you are training to infiltrate Muslims you go to Muslim towns or you train in the Middle East.
#47. To: sneakypete (#31)
Prisoners of war HAVE A OBLIGATION TO ESCAPE.
#48. To: Deckard, sneakypete, TooConservative, GarySpFc (#32)
“The fact that they’re doing this on American soil outside of U.S. military bases is at least worthy of watching and asking some questions, because the military basically trains where it’s going to be doing missions,” she reasoned. “So if they’re training on civilian grounds, in communities in seven different states, then you have to wonder, what are they training for?”
#49. To: sneakypete (#42)
But the leadership meets in the local Holiday Inn,or the nearest FBI office. Whichever is closer.
#50. To: redleghunter (#48)
Before the Gulf war and OIF I trained in the Mojave desert to provide a realistic setting for fighting in Iraq. That did not mean I was preparing my unit to invade Las Vegas. Her reasoning is flawed either by paranoia or more likely a lack of knowledge on how SF have trained for close to 50 years.
#51. To: Vinny (#49)
Indeed, only a Special Olympian would think that a militia remains a valid concept.
#52. To: TooConservative (#51)
#53. To: Deckard, sneakypete, redleghunter, TooConservative, GarySpFc, tomder55, hondo68, CZ82 (#35)
You might have a valid point if the Special Forces infiltration was going on in Muslim strongholds like Dearbornistan.
1) Jade Helm is necessary step of enforcing Agenda 21
2) The militarization of sporting events
3) The feminization of sporting events as cultural sledgehammers
4) The stealth war against county/city Police Depts (setting up fedgoob takeovers)
5) The regime's known agenda and propaganda campaign to nullify the 2A
6) The overt facilitation of race wars and character assassination of white males and Christians
7) The purposefully aiding and abetting of allowing tens of millions of illegals -- many criminal or potent terr-ists, MOST un-vetted or un-identified; the sexualization, gender-fication
8) The homosexualization of the military and gubmint at the HIGHEST LEVELS -- including the Pentagram and White Hut
9) The targeted harrassment of politically active conservative by alphabet agencies
10) Ridiculous, suicidal ROE policies, feminizing the US military, destroying morale
11-11,000 -- Jade Helm is not a stand-alone Red Flag; It is part of a tapestry of countless battle fronts closing in on us and the America we knew just a generation ago. -- Space and time stop me from continuing this count.
#54. To: TooConservative (#50)
There is a big difference over training in the Mojave (and in uniform) and civilian infiltration operations being held in Flint and elsewhere with gunfire and explosions inside city limits.
#55. To: Vinny (#52)
So the answer is to join a militia where every other member is a federal plant?
#56. To: redleghunter, Liberator, TooConservative, sneakypete, CZ82, (#18)
So someone needs to show me this exercise. Show me the Soldiers on the ground and the patches on their left shoulder.
Not being familiar with military regulations regarding uniforms worn during drills and exercises on U.S. soil, we did reach out to a few other veterans and sources who are in-the-know to confirm these concerns.
The reader email will be shown below, then screen shots taken directly from the video and enlarged will be shown beneath that, then the original video for anyone that wishes to go through it frame by frame and look for themselves.
Greetings, Just been watching the 7 min vid you have on the stryker convoy. Having served in both the IDF Special Forces and the US Army Rangers I know a bit about military protocols. I am noticing in this vid, or at least I think I am noticing that on 98% of the soldiers you can see, I believe I am noticing that almost all of those soldiers are MISSING their (left arm) unit patches!
This is a VERY big issue. For one, by US Army regs, all of those soldiers are considered "Out of uniform" which is a punishable offence and would never be done outside of totally covert Ops within the area of operation for those Ops. Surely this is NEVER done in "garrison" or in your home country. Any veteran can back this up.
I played the video back several times using a magnification device to get a closer view of their left arms and I see nothing on all but one man [on two occasions] in the Commanders position on one Stryker vehicle towards the end of this vid. I also saw one other man on top of a Styker prior to that one who did have the expected subdued US Flag on his right arm, but still no Unit patch on the left. I also noticed more than one with NO American flag on their right arm, again, this is not possible under these alleged conditions.
The long and short is this - If only ONE soldier in this unit has a missing unit patch, its an issue, however it does appear far more than one is out of uniform. So the question for me as one with an intelligence background, as it should be for you, WHO are they really? Because I am telling you in no uncertain terms, if you are without your insignia, the uniform is nothing more than a Halloween costume.
Surely something to be aware of and look for going forward. Because if these are all foreign troops being pre-positioned under the guise of an MTX, then a war has already begun and steps need to be taken immediately to counter them. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#57. To: redleghunter (#54)
So yes the part of training involviing pyro explosions and simulated gun fire should all be on military reservations.
#58. To: Deckard (#56)
"Hundreds Of Miles Of Razor Wire On Convoy Trucks - Will It Be Used To Divide Colorado For Reconquista Or FEMA Camps For Those Who Rebel Against What's Coming?,"
#59. To: Liberator, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#53)
ALL these military exercises are obviously NOT in preparation for subduing urban (as well as suburban) populations in any foreign nation, but instead in preparation of subduing the citizenry in US cities and towns. Frankly, I don't understand how or why this subversive mission is even questioned, considering the identities of those who lord over us.
#60. To: redleghunter (#58)
LOL great title.
The United States Veterans noticed it 1st, several of them pointing out the hundreds and hundreds of miles of Concertina razor wire seen in the 2nd image above and 2nd, outstanding video below from the Fugazi Report, at the 4:03 mark showing a military convoy for "Raider Focus" in Colorado in the now viral video also featuring Blue Bell Ice Cream trucks. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#61. To: Deckard (#56)
Raider Focus Convoy Troops Missing Unit Patches, Veteran Warns This Is 'VERY Big' Issue And 'War Has Already Begun'
#62. To: Deckard (#60)
#63. To: TooConservative, sneakypete (#57)
You have to ask what was so damned special that they felt they had to hold drills inside an abandoned junior high in a suburb of Flint, Michigan. There just isn't any good answer to that.
#64. To: redleghunter (#62)
The picture of military trucks moving Class IV material without a geographic reference means nothing.
#65. To: redleghunter (#63)
Better question...Why did some local yokel mayor or city council give the green light for this?
#66. To: TooConservative (#64)
We've seen this kind of thing before.
#67. To: TooConservative (#46)
Why not train in Dearborn, Michigan instead of Flint.
#68. To: TooConservative (#47)
And when did we ever penalize them for failing to do so (or at least try to escape)?
#69. To: Vinny (#49)
Indeed, only a Special Olympian would think that a militia remains a valid concept.
#70. To: redleghunter, Deckard, Liberator, Pericles, nolu chan (#66)
Will have to check but don't think there are enough trucks to move that much wire in the Army. Units do move their own C-wire to the NTC, JRTC and the various proving grounds.
Score: 95
Post Date: 2009-10-02 05:11:09 by out damned spot
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Montana's attorney general launched an investigation Thursday into a California company that wants to take over an empty jail in the rural city of Hardin, following revelations that the company's lead figure is a convicted felon with a history of fraud. Michael Hilton, who formed Santa Ana, Calif.-based American Police Force in March, came to Hardin last month promising to fill the city's never-used jail and build a large military and law enforcement training center. Hilton has a decades-long track record of fraudulent activities and spent several years in a California prison on grand theft charges. A native of Montenegro, he uses at least 17 aliases. Citing "significant ...
Score: 95
Post Date: 2009-09-30 21:50:58 by out damned spot
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American Police Force's president Michael Hilton addresses the media during a press conference at the Two Rivers Authority jail Saturday, September 26, 2009. CODY, Wyo. - Michael Hilton of American Police Force arrived in Hardin with promises of Mercedes police cars and expertise in operating prisons. He delivered the cars last week, but may have learned about prisons following a 1993 conviction for grand theft. Public records from police and state and federal courts in California show that Michael Anthony Hilton, using that name and more than a dozen aliases over several years, is cited in multiple criminal, civil and bankruptcy cases, and was sentenced in 1993 to two years in state ...
Score: 100
Post Date: 2009-09-29 23:01:19 by yukon
3 Comments
Hardin jail lands contract By Matthew Brown - 09/12/2009 Larry Mayer / The Billings Gazette The Two Rivers detention facility in Hardin, which has been unoccupied for two years, recently landed a 10-year operating contract with a private security firm. The jail may open in January. BILLINGS — An empty jail where promoters tried unsuccessfully to bring Guantanamo Bay terrorism detainees has landed a 10-year operating contract with a private security firm that says it wants to sharply expand the lockup. The deal to house hundreds of low- and medium-security inmates in the Hardin jail involves American Police Force, a Santa Ana, Calif., company that was incorporated six months ago. ...
Score: 97
Post Date: 2009-09-29 20:42:52 by out damned spot
23 Comments
Below is a posting at Resistnet of someone in the town of Hardin, Montana witnessing BO's thugs taking over a town with a civilian police force with the purpose of forcing people to take the swine flu vaccination. The private police force has plans for thirty other town across the U.S. according to the eyewitness account. The eyewitness account is verified by an article at http://www.kulr8.com/news/local/61320122.html From: A Good Friend in Montana Subject: OUT OF TIME: CITY OF HARDIN, MT NOW BECOMING A POLICE STATE! TV Ch8 Verified This came to me from a faithful watchman! WE ARE OUT OF TIME! CITY OF HARDIN & SURROUNDING AREA IS NOW BECOMING A POLICE STATE! THE SHAKING HAS BEGUN! ...
#71. To: sneakypete (#67)
You train in cities if you think you will be going to war in cities,you train in the suburbs if you think you will be going to war in the suburbs,you train in the jungle if you think you will be going to war in the jungle,you train in the mountains if you think you will be going to war in the mountains,etc,etc,etc.
#72. To: Liberator (#53)
Most of us would point to 9/11 as THE watershed moment that dramatic changes in the reduction of liberty began occurring in the lives of Americans.
#73. To: Deckard (#56)
Recently Stefan Stanford published an article titled "Hundreds Of Miles Of Razor Wire On Convoy Trucks - Will It Be Used To Divide Colorado For Reconquista Or FEMA Camps For Those Who Rebel Against What's Coming?," where a video was provided showing a miltary convoy for the Raider Focus exercises and a very keen-eyed reader, a military veteran, noticed something very strange about the uniforms being worn by the troops participating.... something that disturbed him greatly and to which he called a "VERY big" issue.
#74. To: redleghunter (#63)
(Edited)
Better question...Why did some local yokel mayor or city council give the green light for this?
#75. To: TooConservative (#71)
Oh. Apparently, the Green Berets are planning to go to war with some junior high schools somewhere, like the one they're training in out in Flint.
#76. To: sneakypete (#69)
#77. To: Vinny (#76)
#78. To: redleghunter (#19)
I wonder if they all just slept through it all during the Cold War when SAC was flying all over the place
#79. To: Deckard, redleghunter, sneakypete (#60)
"Let me get this straight....they're going to lay down THAT MUCH Concertina razor wire 'just practicing' to detain people..
#80. To: TooConservative (#46)
Why not train in Dearborn, Michigan instead of Flint.
#81. To: Liberator (#53)
John McCain calls Jade Helm 15 hysteria ‘bizarre’
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#82. To: hondo68 (#81)
If Wacko Bird McCain likes Jade Helm 15, then it has to be bad news for America.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#83. To: Deckard (#82)
Expect Gatlin to come in and defend this ISIS-loving prick.
#84. To: CZ82 (#80)
You know I wonder if they are using an old base that was closed sometime in the past around Flint for their exercises, we used to do it all the time when I was in England.
#85. To: hondo68 (#81)
John McCain calls Jade Helm 15 hysteria ‘bizarre’
#86. To: TooConservative (#85)
With backstabbing turds like that in the mix, the GOP can never make any progress.
#87. To: Liberator (#53)
Most of us would point to 9/11 as THE watershed moment that dramatic changes in the reduction of liberty began occurring in the lives of Americans. But if we really want to examine exactly when Americans began sacrificing liberty for "security," it began back in 1991 when Poppy Bush and his globalist NWO cadre decided to invade Iraq, disrupt life as we'd known it, shattering the peace, freedom, and optimism marked by Ronald Reagan's administration.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That, from and after the date of the passage of this act, in lieu of the duties heretofore imposed by law on the articles hereinafter mentioned, and on such as may now be exempt from duty, there shall be levied, collected, and paid, on the goods, wares, and merchandise herein enumerated and provided for, imported from foreign countries, the following duties and rates of duty, that is to say:
Sec. 49. And be it further enacted, That, from and after the first day of January next, there shall be levied, collected, and paid, upon the annual income of every person residing in the United States, whether such income is derived from any kind of property, or from any profession, trade, employment, or vocation carried on in the United States or elsewhere, or from any other source whatever, if such annual income exceeds the sum of eight hundred dollars, a tax of three per centum on the amount of such excess of such income above eight hundred dollars Provided, That upon such portion of said income as shall be derived from interest upon treasury notes or other securities of the United States, there shall be levied, collected, and paid a tax of one and one half per centum. Upon the income, rents, or dividends accruing upon any property, securities, or stocks owned in the United States by any citizen of the United States residing abroad, there shall be levied, collected, and paid a tax of five per centum, excepting that portion of said income derived from interest on treasury notes and other securities of the Government of the United States, which shall pay one and one half per centum. The tax herein provided shall be assessed upon the annual income of the persons hereinafter named for the year next preceding the time for assessing said tax, to wit, the year next preceding the first of January, eighteen hundred and sixty-two; and the said taxes, when so assessed and made public, shall become a lien on the property or other sources of said income for the amount of the same, with the interest and other expenses of collection until paid: Provided, That, in estimating said income, all national, state, or local taxes assessed upon the property, from which the income is derived, shall be first deducted.
Sec. 55. And be it further enacted, That the amount of all debts due to the United States by any collector, under this act, whether secured by bond otherwise, shall and are hereby declared to be a lien upon the real estate and lands and real estate of such collector, and of his sureties, if he shall have given bond, from the time when suit shall be instituted for recovering the same; and, for want of goods and chattels and other personal effects of such collector or his sureties to satisfy any judgment which shall or may be recovered against them, respectively, such lands and real estate may be sold at public auction, after being advertised for at least three weeks in not less than three public papers within the collection district, and in one newspaper printed in the county, if any there be, at least six weeks prior to the time of sale; and for all lands or real estate sold in pursuance of the authority aforesaid, the conveyances of the marshals or their deputies, executed in due form of law, shall give a valid title against all persons claiming under such collector or his sureties, respectively.
#88. To: sneakypete (#86)
The reality is the GOP no longer exists except as a little brother to the DNC.
#89. To: TooConservative, sneakypete (#88)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#90. To: nolu chan (#87)
And Lincoln and the Civil War Congress assumed the authority to ignore the Constitution and set up the Bureau of Internal Revenue (later renamed the Internal Revenue Service) and implement an unapportioned income tax.
#91. To: CZ82 (#78)
When I was a kid I lived right under the flight path of WPAFB, I used to wake up and go to bed every day/night to the sound of B52s taking off and landing. After awhile you get used to the noise and don't seem to notice it anymore. Now it's so quiet where I live that I have to run a fan in my room for some background noise otherwise I can't sleep.
#92. To: CZ82 (#79)
You might be surprised as to what the military does for training their people.
#93. To: redleghunter (#54)
However the context of her 'reasoning' is that the exercise was in preparation for operations on American soil. Which means, by her statement, she meant if a unit trains on American soil they are preparing to fight on American soil. That's quite a reach.
#94. To: redleghunter, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#59)
I am here to tell all that your Active Duty military AND state NG folks have not, yet, gone completely bonkers. There are still A LOT of good people on active duty from PVT Joe Snuffy to 4 star General Whoever. These folks are not mindless automatons who will violate their oath which is to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA.
#95. To: sneakypete (#72)
"Most of us would point to 9/11 as THE watershed moment that dramatic changes in the reduction of liberty began occurring in the lives of Americans."
#96. To: hondo68 (#81)
If Wacko Bird McCain likes Jade Helm 15, then it has to be bad news for America.
#97. To: nolu chan (#87)
#98. To: Liberator (#95)
So you're telling me that you noticed MORE "dramatic changes" in the degradation of your liberty in 1965...than right after 9/11?? You can't be serious.
#99. To: Liberator (#93)
With all due respect my brutha, we're gonna have to disagree on the nature of this "exercise"...100%.
#100. To: sneakypete (#90)
They first ignored the Constitution by refusing to allow the south to withdraw from the THEN "voluntary Union" by declaring war on them.
The Congressional Register, or, History of the Proceedings and Debates of the first House of Representatives of the United States of America:
Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.
No two or more States shall enter into any treaty, confederation or alliance whatever between them, without the consent of the United States in Congress assembled, specifying accurately the purposes for which the same is to be entered into, and how long it shall continue.
The Committee of the States, or any nine of them, shall be authorized to execute, in the recess of Congress, such of the powers of Congress as the United States in Congress assembled, by the consent of the nine States, shall from time to time think expedient to vest them with; provided that no power be delegated to the said Committee, for the exercise of which, by the Articles of Confederation, the voice of nine States in the Congress of the United States assembled be requisite.
Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.
And that the Articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the States we respectively represent, and that the Union shall be perpetual.
When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration, or revocation, except through revolution, or through consent of the States.
Now, whether we assume the State of Texas to be judicially in the Union (though actually out of it) or not, it will not alter the case. The contest now is between the State of Texas and her own citizens. She seeks to annul a contract with the respondents, based on the allegation that there was no authority in Texas competent to enter into an agreement during the rebellion. Having relied upon one fiction, namely, that she is a State in the Union, she now relies upon a second one, which she wishes this court to adopt, that she was not a State at all during the five years that she was in rebellion. She now sets up the plea of insanity, and asks the court to treat all her acts made during the disease as void.
#101. To: sneakypete (#90)
When the US Supreme Court told Lincoln that refusing to allow the south to secede and going to war against them was un-Constitutional, he told them if they issued that ruling he would send US Marshals around to arrest them and hold them without trial for the duration of the war.
It is a significant fact that four judges out of nint, including the Chief Justice, dissented from this opinion. The grounds of their dissent were that the legal change from peace to war profoundly affects private relations; that a declaration is necessary; that a civil war must be recognized by the war-making power within the Government; that the President's power to deal with an insurrection (being an exercise of power under the municipal laws of the country, not nder the law of nations) is by no means equivalent to the war power, and that Congress alone has the power of declaring, or legally recognizing, war. According to the dissenting view, the act of Congress of July 13, 1861, which recognized a state of war as between the Government of the United States and that of the Confederate States, was the legal beginning of the war, and captures before that date were invalid.
#102. To: Liberator (#97)
THAT said, I would again repeat my personal observation as factual with respect to the aftermath of 9/11. The difference is that we witnessed the change in Real Time as we were dramatically affected by the constitutional and policy aftermath of this singular event.
596
Be it enacted hy the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That section three of title one of the Act entitled "An Act to punish acts of interference with foreign relations, the neutrality, and the foreign commerce of the United States, to punish espionage, and better to enforce the criminal laws of the United States, and for other purposes," approved June fifteenth, nineteen hundred and seventeen, be, and the same is hereby, amended so as to read as follows:
#103. To: sneakypete, Liberator (#98)
So you're telling me that you noticed MORE "dramatic changes" in the degradation of your liberty in 1965...than right after 9/11?? You can't be serious.
I am completely serious.
#104. To: nolu chan, sneakypete (#103)
I believe the dramatic change of the attitude of the people toward their government was more dramatic in the sixties than the naughties. The sixties "revolution" saw a radical sea change.
#105. To: redleghunter, Liberator, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#59)
ALL these military exercises are obviously NOT in preparation for subduing urban (as well as suburban) populations in any foreign nation, but instead in preparation of subduing the citizenry in US cities and towns. Frankly, I don't understand how or why this subversive mission is even questioned, considering the identities of those who lord over us.
I am here to tell all that your Active Duty military AND state NG folks have not, yet, gone completely bonkers. There are still A LOT of good people on active duty from PVT Joe Snuffy to 4 star General Whoever. These folks are not mindless automatons who will violate their oath which is to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA.
#106. To: nolu chan (#102)
Lincoln used a more direct method of sending the army to smash printing presses, imprison editors without charge, and deny use of the mail to critical publications. A critical Ohio former congressman was tried and convicted by a military tribunal and transported and dumped behind Confederate lines.
#107. To: nolu chan (#105)
If the civilian politicos issued an order to subdue large urban civilian populations, presumably to include their family members, the civilian politicos might find noncompliance or worse.
#108. To: nolu chan, redleghunter, Deckard, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#105)
(Edited)
The civilian politicos will have quite a job persuading the military to identify American civilians as the enemy.
#109. To: redleghunter (#99)
In my old line of business I never put just one OP (observation point) out looking at a target area. I put two or more out from different vantage points to ensure the 'picture' I received on enemy formations was accurate. Some of the OPs saw a few vehicles heading into the engagement area, some saw some vehicles and soldiers moving around a ridgeline and some nothing at all.
#110. To: Liberator (#109)
If I were Santa Claus, the "naughty & nice" list would be extremely lopsided; I'd be running out of coal :-)
#111. To: redleghunter (#110)
#112. To: redleghunter (#110)
#113. To: Liberator (#112)
#114. To: Liberator, redleghunter, Deckard, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#108)
Considering the actual "mission" is ostensibly to help further Divide & Conquer, and help reinforce overwhelming the status quo through Coward-Piven, creating this potential conundrum makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
#115. To: Liberator (#106)
Chan, was this instrument originally authored during Bubba's regime?
#116. To: redleghunter (#91)
We told him to buy a 5K generator and crank it up next to his bedroom window to help him sleep:)
#117. To: redleghunter (#92)
It sounds like 'fun' even in MOPP gear:)
#118. To: CZ82 (#117)
#119. To: nolu chan (#101)
#120. To: nolu chan (#103)
believe the dramatic change of the attitude of the people toward their government was more dramatic in the sixties than the naughties. The sixties "revolution" saw a radical sea change.
#121. To: nolu chan (#105)
If the civilian politicos issued an order to subdue large urban civilian populations, presumably to include their family members, the civilian politicos might find noncompliance or worse.
#122. To: Liberator (#112)
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