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Title: More 1 AM Jade Helm Pre-Training: “YOU MAY HEAR HELICOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.”
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URL Source: http://truthstreammedia.com/2015/06 ... ions-please-do-not-be-alarmed/
Published: Jun 7, 2015
Author: Aaron and Melissa Dykes
Post Date: 2015-06-09 09:55:55 by Deckard
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When the American flag is flown upside down, if you were not aware, it is a signal of dire distress. Can you imagine what it is like to suddenly have low-flying military helicopters, explosions, and gunfire rocking your home in the middle of the night? This message went out on Facebook around midnight last night from the official Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page: “ATTENTION VIEWERS: PER FLINT POLICE OPERATIONS (FPO) THE US ARMY IS DOING TRAINING IN FLINT THIS WEEKEND AND YOU MAY HEAR HELCOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.” That message was sent out last night around midnight. Over the next few hours, some concerned and even downright scared citizens responded to what was taking place over and around their homes. Many were asking if this was part of Jade Helm. While several others in the thread responded said it was, the Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page never officially confirmed or denied this. Although some people were essentially congratulating the authorities for this last-minute martial law training in their neighborhood streets, others were more afraid of the attitudes of their fellow Americans. Around 8 p.m. Saturday night, M Live reported that police were coordinating safety measures for military exercises that were being announced for three areas in Flint: Police warn that helicopters and small explosions are expected to be part of the exercise. The exercise is controlled and contained, and police said there is no reason to be alarmed. The training exercises will conclude later Saturday night. Police announced Friday the exercises would take place over the weekend, and residents in the areas where training was taking place would be notified. Explosions rocked Flint’s East Side Tuesday, June 2, as the city warned residents to prepare for simulated ammunition fire and helicopters as U.S. Army soldiers begin 10 days of training. On Saturday afternoon, members of the U.S. Army National Guard 1776 MP Company went to Mounds RV Park in Mt. Morris to train in armored security vehicles. Some 60 to 70 soldiers were on site, ready to train to receive their licenses to operate the vehicles. Noting that the training would take place Saturday night kinda misleads one to believe it will be at a reasonable hour, doesn’t it? Flint, Michigan only has 100,000 people. It’s not a huge city. Why should people expect a small-scale war to suddenly break out on their streets? No explanation was ever given as to why this training could not have been conducted on a military base instead of on the residential streets of Flint, Michigan. This isn’t just one evening. This is ten days of hardcore military training. Ten days of low-flying chinooks in the middle of the night. Ten days of random gunfire and explosions breaking out. Ten days of armored military vehicles cruising the roads. Ten days of increased military presence in the streets of yet another American city. Imagine explaining this to your terrified children who are awakened in the middle of the night by what sounds like war breaking out in their Flint, Michigan backyard. Of course, if Flint residents happened to not be watching their TVs or checking up on law enforcement’s social media pages like the Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page, they wouldn’t have known, would they? Unannounced or barely announced military drills complete with realistic-sounding explosions, military hardware and even the detainment of mock dissidents have become a much more frequent occurrence on Main Street U.S.A. in recent months. In the lead up to this July’s Jade Helm drill, during which local, state, and federal law enforcement and military agencies will be teaming up and training together all across the Southwest for what we are told are international battlefields far far away, it has been happening more and more. We have no Posse Comitatus, quite obviously. Martial law desensitization is in full swing. Disruptive and alarming drills continue to break out in sporadic locations across the country. As unannounced and unnerving as they are to local residents, a bigger and much uglier picture is being painted here. Did you know that after the American Revolutionary War, most people in this country considered a standing army to be one of the most dangerous threats to liberty imaginable? Skip ahead a couple hundred years. Now look at where we are. This is America now. This is what our nation has become. Look around. Are we really a free country? We should not allow ourselves to be conditioned to accept and expect warfare in our backyards. There is every reason not to want the military to get used to training in our streets with our militarized police forces, much less carrying out raids on the citizens, and patrolling us. There is every reason not to want our neighbors, friends, and family to become acclimated to it either. There is every reason to question and speak out against this. Has anyone even sufficiently justified why this is really necessary? “For your safety” just isn’t cutting it anymore. Despite what the NDAA says, America is not a battlefield. The fact that officials see it as otherwise is deeply alarming and signals nothing less than tyranny. (H/T: Chris VanWyck) Delivered by The Daily Sheeple Contributed by Truthstream Media of TruthstreamMedia.com. Aaron Dykes and Melissa Melton created Truthstream Media.com as an outlet to examine the news, place it in a broader context, uncover the deceptions, pierce through the fabric of illusions, grasp the underlying factors, know the real enemy, unshackle from the system, and begin to imagine the path towards taking back our lives, one step at a time, so that one day we might truly be free…
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Flint, at least, is really desperate for anything. So they agreed to host it and never even told their voters who they consider to be some sort of annoying grazing animals that live in the vicinity of their city hall.
Recall the last Big Panic over the U.N. armored trucks back at LP, maybe 1-1.5 years back? Quite the hoopla, turned out to be another big embarrassing nothing, much like those insane Hardin, Montana FEMA deathcamp threads. Hardin city council will never live down that fiasco. Yes and when we get these reports devoid of proper analysis it detracts from the main issue. Here's another claim from the same site: several of them pointing out the hundreds and hundreds of miles of Concertina razor wire Will have to check but don't think there are enough trucks to move that much wire in the Army. Units do move their own C-wire to the NTC, JRTC and the various proving grounds. Folks are probably seeing a lot more of this now given we are back to force on force training and not so much COIN. So they are not used to seeing trains full of tanks, brads and howitzers and trucks heading to a training site. That was quite visible in the 80s and 90s. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Dearborn has the largest Arab community in the States by far. At least you might argue it is more realistic training, based on recent, current, and likely upcoming wars. It's not. It's not better because there is no such thing as "Muslim terrain" or "Muslim tactics". You train in cities if you think you will be going to war in cities,you train in the suburbs if you think you will be going to war in the suburbs,you train in the jungle if you think you will be going to war in the jungle,you train in the mountains if you think you will be going to war in the mountains,etc,etc,etc. In FACT,training for combat in the Muddle East in an area where there are a lot of Arabs around to observe your training is foolish because and fundie Islamic locals with ties to the terrorists will get to observe the tactics you will use,and will use their knowledge to set you up for ambushes. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Beats me,but I am sure it has happened. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
On a positive note,it keeps the loons from hurting themselves and someone else. Unless of course the civilian government and their masters want someone hurt. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
We've seen these exaggerated scares before. The Hardin fiasco is a classic. The U.N. armored car fiasco was much the same, just a dozen or so being moved to port to be deployed to some legit U.N. mission overseas, very ordinary. We've had others about movement of armored vehicles and tanks on long trains which turned out to be movements to/from a training exercise in a remote area or the result of transporting tanks being taken out of service. I recall one of the first big scares involved a big former military base in Florida where thousands of white vans were stored. Instead of being the ever-present U.N./FEMA death vans, it turns out they were excess dealer stock that had piled up before the 2008 economic slowdown. I recall LP and FR all worked up, they were trying to recruit locals in Florida to sneak into this old base-turned-industrial-park to spy on the U.N./FEMA death vans, the whole tamale. Of course, it turned out to be ridiculous. Here is a selection of LP articles about Hardin (Danger: involuntary raucous laughter may ensue!) Montana AG launches probe of jail deal (Hardin and the American Police Force ) APF head Hilton has criminal past (American Police Force-Hardin, Montana) Hardin jail lands contract OUT OF TIME: CITY OF HARDIN, MONTANA--NOW BECOMING A POLICE STATE! TV Ch8 Verified As for the U.N.'s armored trucks, here's an old thread with all the usual suspects (and all the usual remarks you've come to know and love). June 2014. LP: Brand New Armored U.N. Trucks Moving Through South Georgia/Alabama
Oh. Apparently, the Green Berets are planning to go to war with some junior high schools somewhere, like the one they're training in out in Flint.
Not even close. That happened in 1964 when Congress passed and that evil bastard LBJ signed into law "The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964" that created special classes of citizens with more rights than the rest of us. But if we really want to examine exactly when Americans began sacrificing liberty for "security," it began back in 1991 when Poppy Bush and his globalist NWO cadre decided to invade Iraq,... MUCH closer in time and also a serious threat to peace and stability in the world,but that really began when Bubba Bill had government agents (some with badges and some hired by the month) to either infiltrate or begin their own militia groups. The results were Ruby Ridge,Waco,Tx,and the OKC federal building being turned into rubble. And make no mistake about it,ALL THREE were the result of schemes dreamnt up in govrnment buildings in Washington,DC. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Tell me something. Do you seriously believe all that crap,or are you just having fun pulling the chains of the simple-minded,but well-meaning? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Most likely because the buildings to be blown up were targeted by the city building inspectors for demolition anyway,and not only does this save the city taxpayers the expense of hiring a demolition firm to tear the place down/blow the place down/,they get paid a rental fee from the feds for use of the area,AND the feds promise to haul off all the ruble for free,also. Win/win for the city fathers and the city tax payers as well as for the soldiers. And this ain't even addressing all the overtime pay the feds give the city for their fire,emt,and police units to pay them for the overtime they put in to insure public safety. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It does no good to provide you with answers when you lack the ability to understand them. Tell me,Bubba. Where are hostages and POW's kept in urban areas,in tents,or in public buildings large enough to house them and their guards? Where do the enemy leadership live and do business in cities,in tents in the park? Or maybe in large public buildings buildings with lots of office space? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
PLEASE tell me that is a joke! I do see she is wearing her "Tammy Tactical" shades,so it may be real. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
When I was a kid I lived right under the flight path of WPAFB, I used to wake up and go to bed every day/night to the sound of B52s taking off and landing. After awhile you get used to the noise and don't seem to notice it anymore. Now it's so quiet where I live that I have to run a fan in my room for some background noise otherwise I can't sleep. When I was at GITMO they used to do the minefield maintenance at night for some reason, but after the first couple of mines going off you didn't notice it anymore and just slept right thru it. At Dyess (B1Bs) my office was right behind Blast Shield #8 as long as they were only running the APUs or the main engines at idle you didn't really notice it. But when they made a full power run then you had to grab things to keep them from falling on the floor and breaking. Or if you were on the phone you just hung up and called them back later. :) “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You might be surprised as to what the military does for training their people. For RRR (Rapid Runway Repair, I.E bomb damage repair to runways) exercises we would deploy to other bases and actually blow craters in old abandoned runways. Then we would clear all the big debris pieces, backfill and roll the crater, lay down the interlocking aluminum/fiberglass matting material over the backfilled crater, anchored the mat to the ground and swept the entire area for debris/FOD. At times we had planes actually come in and use the matted areas, the biggest I remember was a C5A when I was in England. At other times we had A10s come in and do mock strafing runs on us while we were laying the mat material. And during some of these exercises we were wearing full chemical gear in temperatures ranging from -10 up to 110 degrees. You want to lose weight wear a full chem gear ensemble in any temperature above 40 degrees and I guarantee you'll lose some. After it was all over with and you were graded you went back and picked up the mat, resurfaced the crater and poured in concrete so you could use it again sometime in the future. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You know I wonder if they are using an old base that was closed sometime in the past around Flint for their exercises, we used to do it all the time when I was in England. http://www.formerbases.com/michigan.htm “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Sen. John McCain laughed off concerns about Operation Jade Helm 15 and mocked Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's decision to monitor it. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta) If Wacko Bird McCain likes Jade Helm 15, then it has to be bad news for America. McCain would try to use the US military to protect invading forces from US citizens. He wants more cheap lettuce pickers, at any cost. Anything that traitorous POS scumbag says is a lie. Expect Gatlin to come in and defend this ISIS-loving prick. Expect Deckard to show his stupidity again. You have a short memory, or your reading comprehension is still bad. I have posted a number of times that I voted for JD in the primary….and I voted for his Dim opponent in the general. Why are you such a retard?
They are using a defunct junior high building.
It's a shame he hasn't kicked the bucket yet. With backstabbing turds like that in the mix, the GOP can never make any progress.
The reality is the GOP no longer exists except as a little brother to the DNC. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The initial salvo was the Sedition Act of 1798. And there was the Sedition Act (aka Espionage Act) of 1918. Lincoln assumed the authority to delegate to the military the authority to suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus, and the senior military were empowered to delegate the power to suspend the writ down the chain of command to lower officers. Secretary of War Stanton assumed the authority to suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus nationwide. The Kennedy assassination led to expanded jurisdiction for the FBI. And Lincoln and the Civil War Congress assumed the authority to ignore the Constitution and set up the Bureau of Internal Revenue (later renamed the Internal Revenue Service) and implement an unapportioned income tax. The federal income tax and the Internal Revenue Service did not start after the 16th Amendment in 1913. That started with the Revenue Act of 1861, effective January 1, 1862. The Act of August 5, 1861 is at 37 Stat. 292 - 313. At 292, At 309, Sec. 50. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of the President of the United States, and he is hereby authorized, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to appoint one principal assessor and one principal collector in each of the States and Territories of the United States, and in the District of Columbia, to assess and collect the internal duties or income tax imposed by this act, with authority in each of said officers to appoint so many assistants as the public service may require, to be approved by the Secretary of the Treasury. The said taxes to be assessed and collected under such regulations as the Secretary of the Treasury may prescribe. At 312: Sec. 56. And be it further enacted, That, for superintending the collection of the direct tax and internal duties or income tax laid by this act, an officer is hereby authorized in the Treasury Department, to be called "Commissioner of Taxes," who shall be charged, under the direction of the Secretary, with preparing all the forms necessary for the assessment and collection of the tax and duties aforesaid, with preparing, signing, and distributing all such licenses as are required, and with the general superintendence of all the officers employed in assessing and collecting said tax and duties; said commissioner shall be appointed by the President, upon the nomination of the Secretary of the Treasury, and he shall receive an annual salary of three thousand dollars. The Secretary of the Treasury may assign the necessary clerks to the office of said commissioner, whose aggregate salaries shall not exceed six thousand dollars per annum, and the amount required to pay the salaries of said commissioner and clerks is hereby appropriated.
In large part, due to these faux conservatives like McStain and Grahamnesty who turn conservative at each election but help the Dims otherwise. Toss in some RINOs like the Snowe or Collins or Specter. What exactly can you accomplish if you hold on the Senate is always weak? Too bad Arizona doesn't have a strong conservative congressman to take McStain's seat away from him.
Thought you guys might be interested in this. ‘The Jade Helm Deception’ with guest Matt Bracken and Jay Dyer They first ignored the Constitution by refusing to allow the south to withdraw from the THEN "voluntary Union" by declaring war on them. When the US Supreme Court told Lincoln that refusing to allow the south to secede and going to war against them was un-Constitutional,he told them if they issued that ruling he would send US Marshals around to arrest them and hold them without trial for the duration of the war. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
When I was at GITMO they used to do the minefield maintenance at night for some reason, but after the first couple of mines going off you didn't notice it anymore and just slept right thru it. LOL, yeah with me tank and artillery gunnery (booms all night long) don't wake me up. We live close to Hood. Well close enough to the impact area. My family is used to it too. We were joking in the office the other day when an older gentlemen who is retired military, said he had trouble sleeping. He moved out in the country a bit and he said it is 'too peaceful.' We told him to buy a 5K generator and crank it up next to his bedroom window to help him sleep:) Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
For RRR (Rapid Runway Repair, I.E bomb damage repair to runways) exercises I've heard of those. Thanks for the detail. It sounds like 'fun' even in MOPP gear:) Anytime you get to blow holes in the ground is fun:) Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
With all due respect my brutha, we're gonna have to disagree on the nature of this "exercise"...100%. It is not without a profound sense of grief and sadness that I know the un-thinkable *will* be occurring sooner rather than later; American troops are indeed preparing to fight on American soil. It is not only NOT a reach or paranoia, but well-founded and a foregone conclusion to many of us. Might I suggest the possibility that perspectives from the outside looking in provide a clearer optic? The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. THIS gubmint, its co-conspirator and collaborators, and its puppetmeisters have already declared war along several fronts on a large demo of its population, as well as upon the very US Constitution. Can this much be denied? Given the simultaneously absurd *official* celebration of homosexuals leaders in (inexplicable high places), their gay "marriages" openly and officially lauded -- *as* Christian officers and chaplains are suspended or drummed out of the service for displaying the Bible OR counseling their men -- from what moral position should this gubmint be trusted or respected? THIS gubmint, THIS military is hijacked. Current tense. FACT. I don't need FOX News, CNN, or any "official report" to validate the obvious. I am not besmirching the intent and honor of those who serve honorably and with love of country. Fortunately they exist, but too few remain (countless officers have been fired, resigned or retired) to challenge the current crop of subversives at *any* level, or else they'd already have done so enmass. Too few remain who would stand on tradition and the more sensible protocols followed before 2008 (which frankly even then weren't nearly as "sensible" as they should have been.) I will concede this point -- most will know to do the right thing. But though aware of their oath to the USCON is above men, even *they* and their loyalty shall be tested. Let's let's face it; 90% of the men who serve WILL do as they're ordered. Should COs and brass receive reports of a lying fake meme and narrative as THE reason they've been ordered to go DEFCON 1 and "repel this crazed, dangerous, organized right-wing, Christian rebellion that threatens our Republic!", they will do so. AND execute their respective mission as best as they can -- without prejudice.
I realize that (and so does this hijacked gubmint know who they are -- hello EN-ESS-AYE.) We are grateful for such patriots (a word that incredulously has itself become a Red Flag keyword.) However hardly in great enough numbers to affect the objective of their subversive overlords... Reminds me -- is that movie about Colonel Claus von Staffenberg on Net Flicks? ;-)
Not even close. That happened in 1964 when Congress passed and that evil bastard LBJ signed into law "The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964" that created special classes of citizens with more rights than the rest of us. So you're telling me that you noticed MORE "dramatic changes" in the degradation of your liberty in 1965...than right after 9/11?? You can't be serious. Addressing the aftermath and long tern affect of the "Civil Wrongs" of 1964 is a whole different debate; As is 1973 with the legalization of infanticide (Roe v Wade), and the American Psychiatric Association decision to reclassify homosexuality as a mental illness. MUCH closer in time and also a serious threat to peace and stability in the world,but that really began when Bubba Bill had government agents (some with badges and some hired by the month) to either infiltrate or begin their own militia groups. The results were Ruby Ridge,Waco,Tx,and the OKC federal building being turned into rubble. Valid observations. But still not close to being the watershed moment of 9/11 when immediately afterward the Patriot Act was enacted (but NOT read) along with the creation of the Dept of Reichland Security. They were given carte blanche to basically eviscerate nuns in wheel chairs and WWII heroes, while at the same time ignoring Abdul in fatigues. AND also spy on that same nun and WWII hero's emails, phone calls, and online activity at the same time. It was also in the wake of that aftermath that an American President publicly lectured We The People on the definition of Islam as the "Religion of Peace." Make no mistake about it,ALL THREE were the result of schemes dreamnt up in govrnment buildings in Washington,DC. Sadly, I agree...or...perhaps those schemes were hatched in the bowels of Bilderberg HQ or at a smoking lounge at a Swiss bank.
Yup. McStain's pleasures are a litmus test for what is exactly WRONG.
Chan -- as always I appreciate your attention to detail, history, and precedence. No one brings to the table this level of scrutiny and technicality. Arguably, Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War and the utter abuse of the US Constitution *was* more of a watershed moment of loss of liberty than 9/11. Though that as it may have been at the time -- especially in the South -- to many people in the north Lincoln's constitutional abuse made little difference and its adverse affects could not be immediately discerned. THAT said, I would again repeat my personal observation as factual with respect to the aftermath of 9/11. The difference is that we witnessed the change in Real Time as we were dramatically affected by the constitutional and policy aftermath of this singular event. We The People's lives were immediately and forevermore changed as (under the guise of making us "safer") our personal liberty and privacy were strangled, commerce regs were affected, constitutional and congressional authority abused/ignored, faith in the fidelity of the US Government lost, and most importantly, the American psyche was irreparably scarred. The rapid loss of liberty and unlikely rapid acceptance of tyranny and a pseudo-dictatorship has been the result of the singular event of 9/11 in less than ten years.
I am completely serious. Valid observations. But still not close to being the watershed moment of 9/11 when immediately afterward the Patriot Act was enacted (but NOT read) along with the creation of the Dept of Reichland Security. They were given carte blanche to basically eviscerate nuns in wheel chairs and WWII heroes, while at the same time ignoring Abdul in fatigues. AND also spy on that same nun and WWII hero's emails, phone calls, and online activity at the same time. There can be no denying that the things I mentioned set the stage for fascism like "The Patriot Act" to be blindly accepted and passed into law. Just imagine a president trying to get The Patriot Act passed without the populance already being led to believe they are in danger and need protection. Make no mistake about it,ALL THREE were the result of schemes dreamnt up in govrnment buildings in Washington,DC. Sadly, I agree...or...perhaps those schemes were hatched in the bowels of Bilderberg HQ or at a smoking lounge at a Swiss bank. Which,for all practical purposes,amounts to the same thing. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
We can and that is good:) Good for 'We the People.' In my old line of business I never put just one OP (observation point) out looking at a target area. I put two or more out from different vantage points to ensure the 'picture' I received on enemy formations was accurate. Some of the OPs saw a few vehicles heading into the engagement area, some saw some vehicles and soldiers moving around a ridgeline and some nothing at all. We may be looking at things from different vantage points like the OPs above. So I welcome your vantage point along with the others posted here. I keep an open mind as mankind in their lust for power and sin cannot be trusted. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
I do not believe the Constitution addressed whether a state may, or may not, withdraw from the union. It seems to me, from the history of the union, the Articles of Confederation, and the actions of various other states after the Constitution, that secession was not unlawful or unconstitutional. Indeed, with the Constitution, eleven states effectively seceded from the existing union, leaving North Carolina and Rhode Island in the wind. The title page of Volume 1 of the Congressional Register, the official record of the first Congress, shows, Namely, New-Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New-York, New-Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, South-Carolina and Georgia. Being the Eleven States that have Ratified the Constitution of the Government of the United States. Historically, we try not to explain how the United States went from a union of 13 states to a union of 11 states by making believe it never happened. Article 2 of the AoC provided: It is not easy to explain when or how the states threw away this declared sovereignty. The constitutional ratification documents definitely won't do. Article 6 of the AoC contained: Article 10 provided, The final Article 13 begins, The final Article 13, ends, So much for that perpetual union and the provisions of the Articles. Keeping that in mind, I turn to Texas v. White. In the manufactured post-war case of Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868) (5-3) SCOTUS ruled that secession was unlawful and that no state had ever left the union. Chief Justice Chase for the Court at 726, Justice Grier in dissent at 739-40:
The Supreme Court issued no such ruling holding secession or the war un-Constitutional or illegal. I'm not saying it wasn't illegal, only that SCOTUS issued no such ruling. In the Prize Cases 67 U.S. 635 (1862) (5-4), SCOTUS upheld Lincoln and his war in progress. As noted by James G. Randall in Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln, at page 54, It will be noticed that the point on which the court divided was as to the existence of a legal state of war between April and July. The whole court agreed that from July 13, 1861, when Congress officially recognized a state of war, the President became invested with the war power, and the legal concomitants of a state of war were in force. They divided, with the Chief Justice in the minority, on the question of the President's power and of the legality of the war before that time. Whew. By 5-4, they ruled that the war then in progress had not been waged unlawfully from April to July. That was too close. The lopsided Congress soon passed legislation, and Lincoln signed it, to increase the Court to 10 justices. With the justices from the Confederate states who resigned, and the enlargement of the Court, the Court came to hold 5 Lincoln nominees, and everything thereafter was safe. The various SCOTUS opinions touching upon the Civil War tie themselves in knots while ruling on various points in incompatible ways, according to the point desired to be made. Essentially, the Constitution was subjected to serial rape. I believe you may be inaccurately recalling the case of Ex Parte Merryman which involved the suspension of the privilege of habeas corpus by a military officer in Pennsylvania and ordering the arrest of John Merryman in Maryland. The result was not an opinion of the Supreme Court proper, but an "in chambers" opinion of Chief Justice Taney sitting in the Circuit Court but acting as the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Taney ruled that the suspension of the privilege of the writ was unlawful and ordered General Cadwallader (in possession of the body of John Merryman) to appear before the Court. Lincoln's decision was to ignore the ruling of Chief Justice Taney. There is substantial evidence that Lincoln issued a warrant for the arrest of Taney and gave same to Marshal Ward Hill Lamon, but Lamon never executed the warrant.
I would certainly agree that we witnessed changes and became aware more quickly and dramatically. Technological advances have made gobs of information readily available. Attempted explanations of the collapse mechanisms of 1, 2, and 7 WTC defied the laws of physics. The encroachment of rights has been an ongoing effort with the earlier historical events certainly being less dramatic in real time, but having enduring effect. Much of the legal defense offered for Bush-Cheney came from the civil war era. I am only supplementing the historical knowledge base. As for the USA PATRIOT Act, the Act itself is almost unreadable as a series of amendments to other cited laws. The actual title is a hoot: "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001". A watershed event separating the American people from their belief in the government was the Kennedy assassination and the Warren Report and the unindexed 26 volumes on the hearings, and the "magic bullet." This strongly contributed to the people questioning the credibility of the government ever since. I would observe that the Sedition Acts had a strong negative response. Their content is scarcely believeable today. It was illegal to criticize the form of government under penalty of fine and up to 20 years in prison. http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=719 FIFTH CONGRESS. Sess. II. Ch. 73, 74. 1798. Approved, July 14, 1798. Chap. LXXIV.—An Act in addition to the act, entitled "An act for the punishment of certain crimes against the United States." Section 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That if any persons shall unlawfully combine or conspire together, with intent to oppose any measure or measures of the government of the United States, which are or shall be directed by proper authority, or to impede the operation of any law of the United States, or to intimidate or prevent any person holding a place or office in or under the government of the United States, from undertaking, performing or executing his trust or duty; and if any person or persons, with intent as aforesaid, shall counsel, advise or attempt to procure any insurrection, riot, unlawful assembly, or combination, whether such conspiracy, threatening, counsel, advice, or attempt shall have the proposed effect or not, he or they shall be deemed guilty of a high misdemeanor, and on conviction, before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars, and by imprisonment during a term not less than six months nor exceeding five years; and further, at the discretion of the court may be holden to find sureties for his good behaviour in such sum, and for such time, as the said court may direct. Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That if any person shall write, print, utter or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written, printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame the said government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President, or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good people of the United States, or to stir up sedition within the United States, or to excite any unlawful combinations therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such law, or of the powers in him vested by FIFTH CONGRESS. Sess. II. Ch. 75. 1798. 597 the constitution of the United States, or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act, or to aid, encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against the United States, their people or government, then such person, being thereof convicted before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years. Sec. 3. And be it further enacted and declared, That if any person shall be prosecuted under this act, for the writing or publishing any libel aforesaid, it shall be lawful for the defendant, upon the trial of the cause, to give in evidence in his defence, the truth of the matter contained in the publication charged as a libel. And the jury who shall try the cause, shall have a right to determine the law and the fact, under the direction of the court, as in other cases. Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That this act shall continue and be in force until the third day of March, one thousand eight hundred and one, and no longer: Provided, that the expiration of the act shall not prevent or defeat a prosecution and punishment of any offence against the law, during the time it shall be in force. Approved, July 14, 1798. Following that nonsense by President John Adams, the Federalists faded into extinction. That did not prevent a WWI resurrection with the Espionage Act of 1918 (really sedition provisions added as an amendment to the Espionage Act of 1917). http://www.legisworks.org/congress/65/publaw-150.pdf "Sec. 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall [...] publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States, or the flag of the United States, or the uniform of the Army or Navy of the United States, or any language intended to bring the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States, or the flag of the United States, or the uniform of the Army or Navy of the United States into contempt, scorn, contumely, or disrepute [...] shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both: Provided, That any employee or official of the United States Government who commits any disloyal act or utters any unpatriotic or disloyal language, or who, in an abusive and violent manner criticizes the Army or Navy or the flag of the United States shall be at once dismissed from the service. Any such employee shall be dismissed by the head of the department in which the employee may be engaged, and any such official shall be dismissed by the authority having power to appoint a successor to the dismissed official." [snip] Lincoln used a more direct method of sending the army to smash printing presses, imprison editors without charge, and deny use of the mail to critical publications. A critical Ohio former congressman was tried and convicted by a military tribunal and transported and dumped behind Confederate lines.
I believe the dramatic change of the attitude of the people toward their government was more dramatic in the sixties than the naughties. The sixties "revolution" saw a radical sea change. This is not directly on point to degradation of individual liberties.
This is not directly on point to degradation of individual liberties. Overall, the 1960s did indeed become tumultuous and radical as the degradation of respect for the gubmint began spiraling out of control. But no, not with respect to "liberty." The mid/late 60s was THE decade of "freedom"; Freedom from authoritah, and freedom to do anything. Even be an open anarchist against gubmint. And recall the ease with which college campuses could be taken over by students? Sit-ins, walk-outs, and blatant disdain disrespect for authority? (Thanks to govt paid disruptors, it's making a come-back in local places. Like...Baltimore, NYC, and St. Louis!)
The civilian politicos will have quite a job persuading the military to identify American civilians as the enemy. If the civilian politicos issued an order to subdue large urban civilian populations, presumably to include their family members, the civilian politicos might find noncompliance or worse.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Better question...Why did some local yokel mayor or city council give the green light for this?
#66. To: TooConservative (#64)
We've seen this kind of thing before.
#67. To: TooConservative (#46)
Why not train in Dearborn, Michigan instead of Flint.
#68. To: TooConservative (#47)
And when did we ever penalize them for failing to do so (or at least try to escape)?
#69. To: Vinny (#49)
Indeed, only a Special Olympian would think that a militia remains a valid concept.
#70. To: redleghunter, Deckard, Liberator, Pericles, nolu chan (#66)
Will have to check but don't think there are enough trucks to move that much wire in the Army. Units do move their own C-wire to the NTC, JRTC and the various proving grounds.
Score: 95
Post Date: 2009-10-02 05:11:09 by out damned spot
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Montana's attorney general launched an investigation Thursday into a California company that wants to take over an empty jail in the rural city of Hardin, following revelations that the company's lead figure is a convicted felon with a history of fraud. Michael Hilton, who formed Santa Ana, Calif.-based American Police Force in March, came to Hardin last month promising to fill the city's never-used jail and build a large military and law enforcement training center. Hilton has a decades-long track record of fraudulent activities and spent several years in a California prison on grand theft charges. A native of Montenegro, he uses at least 17 aliases. Citing "significant ...
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Post Date: 2009-09-30 21:50:58 by out damned spot
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American Police Force's president Michael Hilton addresses the media during a press conference at the Two Rivers Authority jail Saturday, September 26, 2009. CODY, Wyo. - Michael Hilton of American Police Force arrived in Hardin with promises of Mercedes police cars and expertise in operating prisons. He delivered the cars last week, but may have learned about prisons following a 1993 conviction for grand theft. Public records from police and state and federal courts in California show that Michael Anthony Hilton, using that name and more than a dozen aliases over several years, is cited in multiple criminal, civil and bankruptcy cases, and was sentenced in 1993 to two years in state ...
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Post Date: 2009-09-29 23:01:19 by yukon
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Hardin jail lands contract By Matthew Brown - 09/12/2009 Larry Mayer / The Billings Gazette The Two Rivers detention facility in Hardin, which has been unoccupied for two years, recently landed a 10-year operating contract with a private security firm. The jail may open in January. BILLINGS — An empty jail where promoters tried unsuccessfully to bring Guantanamo Bay terrorism detainees has landed a 10-year operating contract with a private security firm that says it wants to sharply expand the lockup. The deal to house hundreds of low- and medium-security inmates in the Hardin jail involves American Police Force, a Santa Ana, Calif., company that was incorporated six months ago. ...
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Post Date: 2009-09-29 20:42:52 by out damned spot
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Below is a posting at Resistnet of someone in the town of Hardin, Montana witnessing BO's thugs taking over a town with a civilian police force with the purpose of forcing people to take the swine flu vaccination. The private police force has plans for thirty other town across the U.S. according to the eyewitness account. The eyewitness account is verified by an article at http://www.kulr8.com/news/local/61320122.html From: A Good Friend in Montana Subject: OUT OF TIME: CITY OF HARDIN, MT NOW BECOMING A POLICE STATE! TV Ch8 Verified This came to me from a faithful watchman! WE ARE OUT OF TIME! CITY OF HARDIN & SURROUNDING AREA IS NOW BECOMING A POLICE STATE! THE SHAKING HAS BEGUN! ...
#71. To: sneakypete (#67)
You train in cities if you think you will be going to war in cities,you train in the suburbs if you think you will be going to war in the suburbs,you train in the jungle if you think you will be going to war in the jungle,you train in the mountains if you think you will be going to war in the mountains,etc,etc,etc.
#72. To: Liberator (#53)
Most of us would point to 9/11 as THE watershed moment that dramatic changes in the reduction of liberty began occurring in the lives of Americans.
#73. To: Deckard (#56)
Recently Stefan Stanford published an article titled "Hundreds Of Miles Of Razor Wire On Convoy Trucks - Will It Be Used To Divide Colorado For Reconquista Or FEMA Camps For Those Who Rebel Against What's Coming?," where a video was provided showing a miltary convoy for the Raider Focus exercises and a very keen-eyed reader, a military veteran, noticed something very strange about the uniforms being worn by the troops participating.... something that disturbed him greatly and to which he called a "VERY big" issue.
#74. To: redleghunter (#63)
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Better question...Why did some local yokel mayor or city council give the green light for this?
#75. To: TooConservative (#71)
Oh. Apparently, the Green Berets are planning to go to war with some junior high schools somewhere, like the one they're training in out in Flint.
#76. To: sneakypete (#69)
#77. To: Vinny (#76)
#78. To: redleghunter (#19)
I wonder if they all just slept through it all during the Cold War when SAC was flying all over the place
#79. To: Deckard, redleghunter, sneakypete (#60)
"Let me get this straight....they're going to lay down THAT MUCH Concertina razor wire 'just practicing' to detain people..
#80. To: TooConservative (#46)
Why not train in Dearborn, Michigan instead of Flint.
#81. To: Liberator (#53)
John McCain calls Jade Helm 15 hysteria ‘bizarre’
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#82. To: hondo68 (#81)
If Wacko Bird McCain likes Jade Helm 15, then it has to be bad news for America.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#83. To: Deckard (#82)
Expect Gatlin to come in and defend this ISIS-loving prick.
#84. To: CZ82 (#80)
You know I wonder if they are using an old base that was closed sometime in the past around Flint for their exercises, we used to do it all the time when I was in England.
#85. To: hondo68 (#81)
John McCain calls Jade Helm 15 hysteria ‘bizarre’
#86. To: TooConservative (#85)
With backstabbing turds like that in the mix, the GOP can never make any progress.
#87. To: Liberator (#53)
Most of us would point to 9/11 as THE watershed moment that dramatic changes in the reduction of liberty began occurring in the lives of Americans. But if we really want to examine exactly when Americans began sacrificing liberty for "security," it began back in 1991 when Poppy Bush and his globalist NWO cadre decided to invade Iraq, disrupt life as we'd known it, shattering the peace, freedom, and optimism marked by Ronald Reagan's administration.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That, from and after the date of the passage of this act, in lieu of the duties heretofore imposed by law on the articles hereinafter mentioned, and on such as may now be exempt from duty, there shall be levied, collected, and paid, on the goods, wares, and merchandise herein enumerated and provided for, imported from foreign countries, the following duties and rates of duty, that is to say:
Sec. 49. And be it further enacted, That, from and after the first day of January next, there shall be levied, collected, and paid, upon the annual income of every person residing in the United States, whether such income is derived from any kind of property, or from any profession, trade, employment, or vocation carried on in the United States or elsewhere, or from any other source whatever, if such annual income exceeds the sum of eight hundred dollars, a tax of three per centum on the amount of such excess of such income above eight hundred dollars Provided, That upon such portion of said income as shall be derived from interest upon treasury notes or other securities of the United States, there shall be levied, collected, and paid a tax of one and one half per centum. Upon the income, rents, or dividends accruing upon any property, securities, or stocks owned in the United States by any citizen of the United States residing abroad, there shall be levied, collected, and paid a tax of five per centum, excepting that portion of said income derived from interest on treasury notes and other securities of the Government of the United States, which shall pay one and one half per centum. The tax herein provided shall be assessed upon the annual income of the persons hereinafter named for the year next preceding the time for assessing said tax, to wit, the year next preceding the first of January, eighteen hundred and sixty-two; and the said taxes, when so assessed and made public, shall become a lien on the property or other sources of said income for the amount of the same, with the interest and other expenses of collection until paid: Provided, That, in estimating said income, all national, state, or local taxes assessed upon the property, from which the income is derived, shall be first deducted.
Sec. 55. And be it further enacted, That the amount of all debts due to the United States by any collector, under this act, whether secured by bond otherwise, shall and are hereby declared to be a lien upon the real estate and lands and real estate of such collector, and of his sureties, if he shall have given bond, from the time when suit shall be instituted for recovering the same; and, for want of goods and chattels and other personal effects of such collector or his sureties to satisfy any judgment which shall or may be recovered against them, respectively, such lands and real estate may be sold at public auction, after being advertised for at least three weeks in not less than three public papers within the collection district, and in one newspaper printed in the county, if any there be, at least six weeks prior to the time of sale; and for all lands or real estate sold in pursuance of the authority aforesaid, the conveyances of the marshals or their deputies, executed in due form of law, shall give a valid title against all persons claiming under such collector or his sureties, respectively.
#88. To: sneakypete (#86)
The reality is the GOP no longer exists except as a little brother to the DNC.
#89. To: TooConservative, sneakypete (#88)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#90. To: nolu chan (#87)
And Lincoln and the Civil War Congress assumed the authority to ignore the Constitution and set up the Bureau of Internal Revenue (later renamed the Internal Revenue Service) and implement an unapportioned income tax.
#91. To: CZ82 (#78)
When I was a kid I lived right under the flight path of WPAFB, I used to wake up and go to bed every day/night to the sound of B52s taking off and landing. After awhile you get used to the noise and don't seem to notice it anymore. Now it's so quiet where I live that I have to run a fan in my room for some background noise otherwise I can't sleep.
#92. To: CZ82 (#79)
You might be surprised as to what the military does for training their people.
#93. To: redleghunter (#54)
However the context of her 'reasoning' is that the exercise was in preparation for operations on American soil. Which means, by her statement, she meant if a unit trains on American soil they are preparing to fight on American soil. That's quite a reach.
#94. To: redleghunter, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#59)
I am here to tell all that your Active Duty military AND state NG folks have not, yet, gone completely bonkers. There are still A LOT of good people on active duty from PVT Joe Snuffy to 4 star General Whoever. These folks are not mindless automatons who will violate their oath which is to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA.
#95. To: sneakypete (#72)
"Most of us would point to 9/11 as THE watershed moment that dramatic changes in the reduction of liberty began occurring in the lives of Americans."
#96. To: hondo68 (#81)
If Wacko Bird McCain likes Jade Helm 15, then it has to be bad news for America.
#97. To: nolu chan (#87)
#98. To: Liberator (#95)
So you're telling me that you noticed MORE "dramatic changes" in the degradation of your liberty in 1965...than right after 9/11?? You can't be serious.
#99. To: Liberator (#93)
With all due respect my brutha, we're gonna have to disagree on the nature of this "exercise"...100%.
#100. To: sneakypete (#90)
They first ignored the Constitution by refusing to allow the south to withdraw from the THEN "voluntary Union" by declaring war on them.
The Congressional Register, or, History of the Proceedings and Debates of the first House of Representatives of the United States of America:
Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.
No two or more States shall enter into any treaty, confederation or alliance whatever between them, without the consent of the United States in Congress assembled, specifying accurately the purposes for which the same is to be entered into, and how long it shall continue.
The Committee of the States, or any nine of them, shall be authorized to execute, in the recess of Congress, such of the powers of Congress as the United States in Congress assembled, by the consent of the nine States, shall from time to time think expedient to vest them with; provided that no power be delegated to the said Committee, for the exercise of which, by the Articles of Confederation, the voice of nine States in the Congress of the United States assembled be requisite.
Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.
And that the Articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the States we respectively represent, and that the Union shall be perpetual.
When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration, or revocation, except through revolution, or through consent of the States.
Now, whether we assume the State of Texas to be judicially in the Union (though actually out of it) or not, it will not alter the case. The contest now is between the State of Texas and her own citizens. She seeks to annul a contract with the respondents, based on the allegation that there was no authority in Texas competent to enter into an agreement during the rebellion. Having relied upon one fiction, namely, that she is a State in the Union, she now relies upon a second one, which she wishes this court to adopt, that she was not a State at all during the five years that she was in rebellion. She now sets up the plea of insanity, and asks the court to treat all her acts made during the disease as void.
#101. To: sneakypete (#90)
When the US Supreme Court told Lincoln that refusing to allow the south to secede and going to war against them was un-Constitutional, he told them if they issued that ruling he would send US Marshals around to arrest them and hold them without trial for the duration of the war.
It is a significant fact that four judges out of nint, including the Chief Justice, dissented from this opinion. The grounds of their dissent were that the legal change from peace to war profoundly affects private relations; that a declaration is necessary; that a civil war must be recognized by the war-making power within the Government; that the President's power to deal with an insurrection (being an exercise of power under the municipal laws of the country, not nder the law of nations) is by no means equivalent to the war power, and that Congress alone has the power of declaring, or legally recognizing, war. According to the dissenting view, the act of Congress of July 13, 1861, which recognized a state of war as between the Government of the United States and that of the Confederate States, was the legal beginning of the war, and captures before that date were invalid.
#102. To: Liberator (#97)
THAT said, I would again repeat my personal observation as factual with respect to the aftermath of 9/11. The difference is that we witnessed the change in Real Time as we were dramatically affected by the constitutional and policy aftermath of this singular event.
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Be it enacted hy the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That section three of title one of the Act entitled "An Act to punish acts of interference with foreign relations, the neutrality, and the foreign commerce of the United States, to punish espionage, and better to enforce the criminal laws of the United States, and for other purposes," approved June fifteenth, nineteen hundred and seventeen, be, and the same is hereby, amended so as to read as follows:
#103. To: sneakypete, Liberator (#98)
So you're telling me that you noticed MORE "dramatic changes" in the degradation of your liberty in 1965...than right after 9/11?? You can't be serious.
I am completely serious.
#104. To: nolu chan, sneakypete (#103)
I believe the dramatic change of the attitude of the people toward their government was more dramatic in the sixties than the naughties. The sixties "revolution" saw a radical sea change.
#105. To: redleghunter, Liberator, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#59)
ALL these military exercises are obviously NOT in preparation for subduing urban (as well as suburban) populations in any foreign nation, but instead in preparation of subduing the citizenry in US cities and towns. Frankly, I don't understand how or why this subversive mission is even questioned, considering the identities of those who lord over us.
I am here to tell all that your Active Duty military AND state NG folks have not, yet, gone completely bonkers. There are still A LOT of good people on active duty from PVT Joe Snuffy to 4 star General Whoever. These folks are not mindless automatons who will violate their oath which is to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA.
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