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Title: More 1 AM Jade Helm Pre-Training: “YOU MAY HEAR HELICOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.”
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URL Source: http://truthstreammedia.com/2015/06 ... ions-please-do-not-be-alarmed/
Published: Jun 7, 2015
Author: Aaron and Melissa Dykes
Post Date: 2015-06-09 09:55:55 by Deckard
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When the American flag is flown upside down, if you were not aware, it is a signal of dire distress. Can you imagine what it is like to suddenly have low-flying military helicopters, explosions, and gunfire rocking your home in the middle of the night? This message went out on Facebook around midnight last night from the official Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page: “ATTENTION VIEWERS: PER FLINT POLICE OPERATIONS (FPO) THE US ARMY IS DOING TRAINING IN FLINT THIS WEEKEND AND YOU MAY HEAR HELCOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.” That message was sent out last night around midnight. Over the next few hours, some concerned and even downright scared citizens responded to what was taking place over and around their homes. Many were asking if this was part of Jade Helm. While several others in the thread responded said it was, the Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page never officially confirmed or denied this. Although some people were essentially congratulating the authorities for this last-minute martial law training in their neighborhood streets, others were more afraid of the attitudes of their fellow Americans. Around 8 p.m. Saturday night, M Live reported that police were coordinating safety measures for military exercises that were being announced for three areas in Flint: Police warn that helicopters and small explosions are expected to be part of the exercise. The exercise is controlled and contained, and police said there is no reason to be alarmed. The training exercises will conclude later Saturday night. Police announced Friday the exercises would take place over the weekend, and residents in the areas where training was taking place would be notified. Explosions rocked Flint’s East Side Tuesday, June 2, as the city warned residents to prepare for simulated ammunition fire and helicopters as U.S. Army soldiers begin 10 days of training. On Saturday afternoon, members of the U.S. Army National Guard 1776 MP Company went to Mounds RV Park in Mt. Morris to train in armored security vehicles. Some 60 to 70 soldiers were on site, ready to train to receive their licenses to operate the vehicles. Noting that the training would take place Saturday night kinda misleads one to believe it will be at a reasonable hour, doesn’t it? Flint, Michigan only has 100,000 people. It’s not a huge city. Why should people expect a small-scale war to suddenly break out on their streets? No explanation was ever given as to why this training could not have been conducted on a military base instead of on the residential streets of Flint, Michigan. This isn’t just one evening. This is ten days of hardcore military training. Ten days of low-flying chinooks in the middle of the night. Ten days of random gunfire and explosions breaking out. Ten days of armored military vehicles cruising the roads. Ten days of increased military presence in the streets of yet another American city. Imagine explaining this to your terrified children who are awakened in the middle of the night by what sounds like war breaking out in their Flint, Michigan backyard. Of course, if Flint residents happened to not be watching their TVs or checking up on law enforcement’s social media pages like the Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page, they wouldn’t have known, would they? Unannounced or barely announced military drills complete with realistic-sounding explosions, military hardware and even the detainment of mock dissidents have become a much more frequent occurrence on Main Street U.S.A. in recent months. In the lead up to this July’s Jade Helm drill, during which local, state, and federal law enforcement and military agencies will be teaming up and training together all across the Southwest for what we are told are international battlefields far far away, it has been happening more and more. We have no Posse Comitatus, quite obviously. Martial law desensitization is in full swing. Disruptive and alarming drills continue to break out in sporadic locations across the country. As unannounced and unnerving as they are to local residents, a bigger and much uglier picture is being painted here. Did you know that after the American Revolutionary War, most people in this country considered a standing army to be one of the most dangerous threats to liberty imaginable? Skip ahead a couple hundred years. Now look at where we are. This is America now. This is what our nation has become. Look around. Are we really a free country? We should not allow ourselves to be conditioned to accept and expect warfare in our backyards. There is every reason not to want the military to get used to training in our streets with our militarized police forces, much less carrying out raids on the citizens, and patrolling us. There is every reason not to want our neighbors, friends, and family to become acclimated to it either. There is every reason to question and speak out against this. Has anyone even sufficiently justified why this is really necessary? “For your safety” just isn’t cutting it anymore. Despite what the NDAA says, America is not a battlefield. The fact that officials see it as otherwise is deeply alarming and signals nothing less than tyranny. (H/T: Chris VanWyck) Delivered by The Daily Sheeple Contributed by Truthstream Media of TruthstreamMedia.com. Aaron Dykes and Melissa Melton created Truthstream Media.com as an outlet to examine the news, place it in a broader context, uncover the deceptions, pierce through the fabric of illusions, grasp the underlying factors, know the real enemy, unshackle from the system, and begin to imagine the path towards taking back our lives, one step at a time, so that one day we might truly be free…
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#15. To: sneakypete (#10)
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You know I don't remember the civilians in Europe whining when Reforger was going on every year. And any damage that was caused by the troops was always fixed/paid for. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
They were always in American uniform.
All this lawlessness that has become a constant theme of the Obola era will not end well. Obviously, we need to sharply cut military spending across the board. Frankly we need to sharply cut the government spending on the salaries of the political masters. So you think it's legitimate for our military to practice at violating the Geneva Conventions and/or conducting military operations against American civilians here in the States? Show it...The military farts and the ACLU is there to smell it. Military personnel get in a bar fight and it's 'news' even here in Texas. Show me. Not these delusional and paranoid 'sources' Deckard posts. The infiltration course of SFQT avoids contact with the local populace. That's the purpose of the exercise. To go deep into an area of operations undetected. Not to interact with the local populace. 101st Airborne conducts Air Assault training from Florida to the Carolinas to Kentucky every year since the Cold War. They don't go into towns and cities but are out on the countryside establishing LZs. The sources so far published here show a military exercise led by Special Forces rounding up civilians. That is not a mission of SF nor do they have the logistical capacity for such missions. Any interaction with the local populace is done via the various state's National Guard. Any training states side in preparation for deployment overseas involving civilians is done via 'actor' civilian role players. Until someone can come up with a credible source on this JH exercise itself, as in an exercise directive, all we have are the usual hysterical piecemeal specious sites 'reporting' this. 25 years of military experience conducting exercises here and overseas tell me what is being presented here of our active duty military interacting with an unwillful local populace is bunk. Reports of helicopters flying low, explosions of artillery and tanks at a local impact area is not out of the norm states side. We forget a lot of these smaller military installations were active during the Cold War and saw little use since then. Lastly, the very first of our citizens who would cry foul of military intervention for even an exercise, would be active duty military. So someone needs to show me this exercise. Show me the Soldiers on the ground and the patches on their left shoulder. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
We are also dealing with an American populous where only the older folk remember the days of Cold War stateside training. The presence back then was on a larger scale. Add to the fact that we have more urban sprawl now so greater chance of civilians seeing what has been happening. Add to that blogs etc reporting such. Just last year someone on LP reported seeing a long train with military equipment on it and opined that the equipment was going to be used for one of these FEMA exercises. We used to get reports of military AF aircraft flying low in some areas. I wonder if they all just slept through it all during the Cold War when SAC was flying all over the place and we had I think (Gary and Pete help me here) 5 NG/Reserve SF Groups training stateside often on weekends and for their annual training in the summer. Then again we have all lived on or next to a military installation over the years and some places in our country have not heard the 'boom' of artillery in the impact area since the Cold War. Some were even immune to it back then. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
They were always in American uniform. No,they weren't. Some were always in civilian clothes playing the role of locals. Not to mention all the escape and evasion courses given to air crews that may have gotten shot down in Europe and who needed to dress in civilian clothes to avoid capture by the Nazi's. Or POW's who escaped. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
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The Pentagon press releases mention infiltrating civilian areas undetected and the sound of guns and explosions in civilian areas. Meaning that they are in contact with or likely to be in contact with civilians. Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood? Why do they insist they must conduct their training in proximity to civilians if civilians do not comprise any element of the exercise? We have plenty of empty land and even mostly empty towns they could drill in if that is the real objective.
Not to mention all the escape and evasion courses given to air crews that may have gotten shot down in Europe and who needed to dress in civilian clothes to avoid capture by the Nazi's. Or POW's who escaped. None of whom were still under the protections of the Geneva Conventions. You do realize we have imprisoned a lot of people at Gitmo and delivered others for rendition by torture to allies like Poland, Egypt, Romania, etc. and that nearly all of them were held under the status of "unlawful combatants". What, it's wrong for foreigners to fight in civilian clothes but a glorious defense of democracy when we do it? These international standards about soldiers is meant to protect lawful soldiers and the civilian population. As with so many other things we once did right, people seem to have no regard for these norms. It seems just another example of rising lawlessless by the elites and the courts. And very few voices speaking for these policies that helped safeguard the peace and render the conduct of war a little less brutal and capricious. I am surprised that you seem to want to portray our paratroopers and special forces as being nothing more than an army of spies, saboteurs and assassins. Because if you are not in a military uniform, that is what you are.
Please post the Pentagon press release. Thanks. Where exactly are these "explosions and sound of guns" happening? Is there an old out of use NG or Federal military installation nearby? If so, was it used in the past for service practice of ammunition. Once again, to expend any pyro practice munitions or live explosives off of a military reservation is prohibited by regulations. Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood? Why do they insist they must conduct their training in proximity to civilians if civilians do not comprise any element of the exercise? Frankly there is no reason to do so as you note. We spent millions on building 'mock villages' and city streets with buildings ON military installations. We have and currently employ civilian role players for these ON military installation exercises. Arab costumes and all. Could it be some of these peaceful towns hearing explosions forgot that prior to 9/11 we had units conducting force on force training on military installations firing artillery, dropping bombs, shooting Bradley and Abrams gunnery 7 days a week 24 hours a day, but that stopped when we trained for a COIN fight? Well we are back to pre-9/11 training now. More booms in the night. Meaning that they are in contact with or likely to be in contact with civilians. So I need more evidence these explosions and gun fire are happening OFF NG and federal land. Likely does not cut it. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Author: Jade Helm about winning civilian trust ...a few years ago, U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) officials decided they needed a new method of warfare to combat untraditional foes like al-Qaida, so they vowed to “master the human domain.” “What that does is it basically requires the military to adopt a strategy that leads to long-term relations in order to win military battles,” Chumley explained. Such a strategy involves dropping Special Forces in targeted areas, where they try to blend in with the local civilian population. The key is for the soldiers to build trust among the civilians and subsequently influence their behaviors. Lastly, the very first of our citizens who would cry foul of military intervention for even an exercise, would be active duty military. Soldiers will follow the orders of those above. U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens Will You Fire On American Citizens? The above question is quickly becoming the new litmus test for military officers to retain their rank. My military sources have been telling me that one of the primary reasons that we have seen a wholesale leadership change in the military, with over 260 senior command officers fired under Obama, is because many in our military will not indiscriminately fire upon innocent American citizens who refuse to submit to gun confiscation. This fact is verified by former Navy Seal Benjamin Smith as he has clearly stated that the Obama administration has a new “litmus test” for officers in the U.S. military,which asks officers if they’ll command their troops to confiscate firearms from Americans. More confirmation of this litmus test comes from ex-CIA agent, Dr. Jim Garrow. His account, listed below, is chilling, because it matches what I have been told by military personnel dating back to the Benghazi cover-up. Many veterans HAVE spoken out about this. Did you even skim the article in this thread? “ATTENTION VIEWERS: PER FLINT POLICE OPERATIONS (FPO) THE US ARMY IS DOING TRAINING IN FLINT THIS WEEKEND AND YOU MAY HEAR HELCOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.” They have steadily issued these warnings and descriptions of what the civilians should expect during these "exercises". I'm not sure why you suddenly want to pretend otherwise. CNN: "Abbott ordered the guard to "monitor" the eight week-long exercise which begins in July and ends in September, across seven states. In Texas, Utah and New Mexico most of the training will take place on private land. In Arizona, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi, much of it will take place on military installations."
Explosions rock Michigan neighborhood as US Army urban military training exercise begins (Flint, MI) Flint is nowhere near Selfridge, which incidentally is an Air Force Base. Do something about your paranoia....you need to calm down.
Many? Name only 500, please.
Because any training that isn't realistic is a waste of time and money,and accomplishes nothing. Why do they insist they must conduct their training in proximity to civilians if civilians do not comprise any element of the exercise? If they did it in secret far,far away from the gathering crowds,you would be bitching about "secret military operations training soldiers to take over America". Nobody,including you,can have it both ways. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Do you EVER write about anything you know something about? Prisoners of war HAVE A OBLIGATION TO ESCAPE. Once they do escape,it is legal under international law to shoot them on sightg. And we ALL know how considerate the Nazi's were about human life,right? If there is one thing they and the Soviets were known for,it was their sense of humanity. If someone were to magically take away your paranoia,you would no longer have a reason to live. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Because any training that isn't realistic is a waste of time and money,and accomplishes nothing. Author: Jade Helm about winning civilian trust “The fact that they’re doing this on American soil outside of U.S. military bases is at least worthy of watching and asking some questions, because the military basically trains where it’s going to be doing missions,” she reasoned. “So if they’re training on civilian grounds, in communities in seven different states, then you have to wonder, what are they training for?” That strategy was new in 1941. Ever hear of the OSS? Where do you think the people that started Special Forces came from? Many veterans HAVE spoken out about this. And many veterans don't know squat about warfare. Not even the ones that served in uniform during wartime. Just because someone wore a uniform,that doesn't mean they were ever in combat,or even close enough to it to hear distant explosions. Probably 90 percent of the US Army and the USMC never hear a shot fired their whole career that wasn't fired on a rifle range,and that figure jumps to damn near 100 percent when you are talking about the USAF,the USN,or the USCG. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Sounds like she is as clueless about the military as you are,but at least she has the excuse of being female. Why don't YOU just man up,enlist in the Army or the MC,and volunteer for duty with the Rangers or Force Recon,and find out for yourself? People with experience who DO know what they are talking about try to explain this stuff to you,but you are too arrogant and paranoid to listen,so enlist and find out for yourself,bucky! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You might have a valid point if the Special Forces infiltration was going on in Muslim strongholds like Dearbornistan. What intel do they hope to gather by infiltrating American towns? Who the gun owners and dissidents are? Where the local milita is meeting? Get off this thread. Immediately. Your toxic spamming, trolling, otherwise disruptive agenda has no place in a cerebral discussion over issue that are clearly beyond your intellect and mission. AS A SUBVERSIVE.
This happened in Michigan, right? You have stated that you live in Michigan, right?
Not true. My military sources have been telling me that one of the primary reasons that we have seen a wholesale leadership change in the military, with over 260 senior command officers fired under Obama... The source is flawed. Yes Obolo has fired senior 4 and 3 star generals but not 260 senior commanders. I would like to see this source's source or list. I will know quite a few names on the list. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Everyone knows the answer to that question. The local militia meets in a phone booth on the 2nd Sunday of each month.
The terrain and the tactical problems presented by the terrain are different in Muslim neighborhoods than "regular,unleaded neighborhoods" How so? BTW,the people that benefit the most from this trainging are the conventional infantry and close infantry support units. Despite what you see in the movies,other than Delta Force,Special Forces soldiers are not combat assault troops. They are leaders and instructors. As such their role in these scenarios is always as the enemy the conventional forces are going up against. It helps to sharpen the skills of both. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Gosh sneaky, I figured that would be obvious. If you are training to infiltrate Muslims you go to Muslim towns or you train in the Middle East. If you are training to implement martial law in America, you train in America. I can't make it any simpler than that for you. Oh - one more thing. This is not the same army that you were a part of during your "glory days". But the leadership meets in the local Holiday Inn,or the nearest FBI office. Whichever is closer. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
ROFLMAO! Good one! I have no idea why the Special Operations Command hasn't hired you as a consultant. (EXTREME sarcasm) Oh - one more thing. This is not the same army that you were a part of during your "glory days". And how do you know this? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Here's a local source: Flint residents will be notified as military exercises continue, city says Seems the local township leaders not only knew about this but coordinated with the military to allow them to use a closed junior HS building. Where I agree with you is there are ample DoD and NG facilities to conduct the pyro (blank ammunition) exercises so township folks don't think they live in Vieques PR or Killeen Texas or Fayettville NC. However, the 'blending in' part of the training has been happening since we have had SF. Those exercises are coordinated with local authorities as well. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
That's nonsense. No one objects to training on military bases or military reservations like Fort Hood. Or on remote federal lands which is also routine.
Why not train in Dearborn, Michigan instead of Flint. Dearborn has the largest Arab community in the States by far. At least you might argue it is more realistic training, based on recent, current, and likely upcoming wars.
And when did we ever penalize them for failing to do so (or at least try to escape)?
Ok, she starts out pretty good: “The fact that they’re doing this on American soil outside of U.S. military bases is at least worthy of watching and asking some questions..." I agree. This is where she draws conclusions based on paranoia or lack of understanding the type of military doing these exercises: "...because the military basically trains where it’s going to be doing missions,” she reasoned. “So if they’re training on civilian grounds, in communities in seven different states, then you have to wonder, what are they training for?” She incorrectly addressed the purpose of military training. In the military you train as you fight. The SF travel over all kinds of terrain and need to blend in with a local populace. That's the training. SF are always training when not deployed. Where would they train with a local populace, which is the focus of their training NOT training on American 'civilian grounds.' Before the Gulf war and OIF I trained in the Mojave desert to provide a realistic setting for fighting in Iraq. That did not mean I was preparing my unit to invade Las Vegas. Her reasoning is flawed either by paranoia or more likely a lack of knowledge on how SF have trained for close to 50 years. Taking her 'reasoning' a step, what exactly can the smallest part of the military (SF) do to control a town and send them to FEMA camps? Ridiculous. Did you serve in the military? "...what are they training for?” Answer: Afghanistan, Iraq, Horn of Africa, South America, and all points outside our borders. Now the lady who made the above quotes wants to worry about something then she be worried what the National Guard is doing, not the Active Military. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Indeed, only a Special Olympian would think that a militia remains a valid concept.
There is a big difference over training in the Mojave (and in uniform) and civilian infiltration operations being held in Flint and elsewhere with gunfire and explosions inside city limits. No one has ever objected much to training in the Mojave or on bases or military reservations or semi-remote federal lands.
You're singing the theme song of the gungrabbers. Just teach enough people to think that way and it will be the end of the right to keep and bear arms.
So the answer is to join a militia where every other member is a federal plant?
What intel do they hope to gather by infiltrating American towns? Who the gun owners and dissidents are? Where the local milita is meeting? GREAT questions. The standards of military operations have morphed into an altogether different realm and objective over the decades. Especially during the current regime, which as we ALL know is hostile to everything this nation is, and has ever represented. Most of us would point to 9/11 as THE watershed moment that dramatic changes in the reduction of liberty began occurring in the lives of Americans. But if we really want to examine exactly when Americans began sacrificing liberty for "security," it began back in 1991 when Poppy Bush and his globalist NWO cadre decided to invade Iraq, disrupt life as we'd known it, shattering the peace, freedom, and optimism marked by Ronald Reagan's administration. But I digress. Here is what's going on in a nutshell: This version of the US Gubmint has *obviously* and demonstratively been co-opted by subversive elements whose ONLY objective is to complete the New World Order mission of nullifying the US Constitution and US sovereignty. ALL these military exercises are obviously NOT in preparation for subduing urban (as well as suburban) populations in any foreign nation, but instead in preparation of subduing the citizenry in US cities and towns. Frankly, I don't understand how or why this subversive mission is even questioned, considering the identities of those who lord over us. Consider: Like the mini-martial Law exercise engaged during the "Boston Marathon Bomber" (and "drill" planned during the day), the Jade Helm Op is an exercise of intimidation and execution. Only on a massive scale. It will be the first in a series of highly detailed, highly executed domestic military exercises....until the REAL thing is engaged. Nationwide. And people will believe: "Meh. It's only a drill." Look -- we here are ALL on the same side (save for one toxic troll.) How and *why should* we be convinced that ANY operation or policy facilitated by this gubmint is for our benefit? Especially Jade Helm? How can this not be a matter of obvious divide & conquer politics, a subversive policy, and giant step toward tyranny?
Yes there is a difference. However the context of her 'reasoning' is that the exercise was in preparation for operations on American soil. Which means, by her statement, she meant if a unit trains on American soil they are preparing to fight on American soil. That's quite a reach. That is why I stated the Mojave example. The focus was on terrain somewhere else and finding the 'best' available alternate here in the US. Which is what the SF are doing. Finding the best 'terrain' to train to fight the set they will see overseas. Where else can they do that training? Canada? Mexico? That presents its own problems. So yes the part of training involviing pyro explosions and simulated gun fire should all be on military reservations. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
I'm just saying that if you insist there is no such thing as a militia, your Second Amendment goes up in smoke. So I insist there is a general and unorganized militia, one which does possess the right to keep and bear arms, for defense against criminals and against any jackbooted police state that might rise up to usurp our liberties.
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#16. To: redleghunter, Deckard, GarySpFc (#5)
Don't these people live near a military installation?
#17. To: sneakypete (#14)
Paratroopers,by definition jump in behind enemy lines,so there had to be some training about how to deal with local civilians and utilize them when necessary.
#18. To: TooConservative, sneakypete, Deckard, GarySpFc, CZ82, liberator (#12)
So you think it's legitimate for our military to practice at violating the Geneva Conventions and/or conducting military operations against American civilians here in the States?
#19. To: CZ82, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#16)
You know I don't remember the civilians in Europe whining when Reforger was going on every year. And any damage that was caused by the troops was always fixed/paid for.
#20. To: TooConservative (#17)
Paratroopers,by definition jump in behind enemy lines,so there had to be some training about how to deal with local civilians and utilize them when necessary.
#21. To: Liberator (#2)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#22. To: redleghunter (#18)
The infiltration course of SFQT avoids contact with the local populace. That's the purpose of the exercise.
#23. To: sneakypete (#20)
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Some were always in civilian clothes playing the role of locals.
#24. To: TooConservative (#22)
The Pentagon press releases mention infiltrating civilian areas undetected and the sound of guns and explosions in civilian areas. Meaning that they are in contact with or likely to be in contact with civilians. Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood? Why do they insist they must conduct their training in proximity to civilians if civilians do not comprise any element of the exercise? We have plenty of empty land and even mostly empty towns they could drill in if that is the real objective.
#25. To: redleghunter, TooConservative, sneakypete (#18)
The infiltration course of SFQT avoids contact with the local populace. That's the purpose of the exercise.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#26. To: redleghunter (#24)
#27. To: redleghunter, TooConservative (#24)
So I need more evidence these explosions and gun fire are happening OFF NG and federal land.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#28. To: Deckard (#27)
#29. To: Deckard (#25)
Many veterans HAVE spoken out about this.
#30. To: TooConservative (#22)
Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood?
#31. To: TooConservative (#23)
None of whom were still under the protections of the Geneva Conventions.
#32. To: sneakypete, TooConservative, redleghunter, hondo68 (#30)
Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#33. To: Deckard (#25)
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Such a strategy involves dropping Special Forces in targeted areas, where they try to blend in with the local civilian population. The key is for the soldiers to build trust among the civilians and subsequently influence their behaviors.
#34. To: Deckard (#32)
“The fact that they’re doing this on American soil outside of U.S. military bases is at least worthy of watching and asking some questions, because the military basically trains where it’s going to be doing missions,” she reasoned. “So if they’re training on civilian grounds, in communities in seven different states, then you have to wonder, what are they training for?”
#35. To: sneakypete (#33)
(Edited)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#36. To: Gatlin (#28)
#37. To: Deckard (#35)
What intel do they hope to gather by infiltrating American towns?
#38. To: Deckard (#25)
The above question is quickly becoming the new litmus test for military officers to retain their rank.
#39. To: Deckard, Buckeroo (#35)
Where the local milita is meeting?
#40. To: Deckard (#35)
(Edited)
You might have a valid point if the Special Forces infiltration was going on in Muslim strongholds like Dearbornistan.
#41. To: sneakypete (#40)
The terrain and the tactical problems presented by the terrain are different in Muslim neighborhoods than "regular,unleaded neighborhoods"
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#42. To: Vinny (#39)
The local militia meets in a phone booth on the 2nd Sunday of each month.
#43. To: Deckard (#41)
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If you are training to infiltrate Muslims you go to Muslim towns or you train in the Middle East.
#44. To: Deckard, TooConservative, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#27)
#45. To: sneakypete (#30)
If they did it in secret far,far away from the gathering crowds,you would be bitching about "secret military operations training soldiers to take over America".
#46. To: Deckard (#41)
If you are training to infiltrate Muslims you go to Muslim towns or you train in the Middle East.
#47. To: sneakypete (#31)
Prisoners of war HAVE A OBLIGATION TO ESCAPE.
#48. To: Deckard, sneakypete, TooConservative, GarySpFc (#32)
“The fact that they’re doing this on American soil outside of U.S. military bases is at least worthy of watching and asking some questions, because the military basically trains where it’s going to be doing missions,” she reasoned. “So if they’re training on civilian grounds, in communities in seven different states, then you have to wonder, what are they training for?”
#49. To: sneakypete (#42)
But the leadership meets in the local Holiday Inn,or the nearest FBI office. Whichever is closer.
#50. To: redleghunter (#48)
Before the Gulf war and OIF I trained in the Mojave desert to provide a realistic setting for fighting in Iraq. That did not mean I was preparing my unit to invade Las Vegas. Her reasoning is flawed either by paranoia or more likely a lack of knowledge on how SF have trained for close to 50 years.
#51. To: Vinny (#49)
Indeed, only a Special Olympian would think that a militia remains a valid concept.
#52. To: TooConservative (#51)
#53. To: Deckard, sneakypete, redleghunter, TooConservative, GarySpFc, tomder55, hondo68, CZ82 (#35)
You might have a valid point if the Special Forces infiltration was going on in Muslim strongholds like Dearbornistan.
1) Jade Helm is necessary step of enforcing Agenda 21
2) The militarization of sporting events
3) The feminization of sporting events as cultural sledgehammers
4) The stealth war against county/city Police Depts (setting up fedgoob takeovers)
5) The regime's known agenda and propaganda campaign to nullify the 2A
6) The overt facilitation of race wars and character assassination of white males and Christians
7) The purposefully aiding and abetting of allowing tens of millions of illegals -- many criminal or potent terr-ists, MOST un-vetted or un-identified; the sexualization, gender-fication
8) The homosexualization of the military and gubmint at the HIGHEST LEVELS -- including the Pentagram and White Hut
9) The targeted harrassment of politically active conservative by alphabet agencies
10) Ridiculous, suicidal ROE policies, feminizing the US military, destroying morale
11-11,000 -- Jade Helm is not a stand-alone Red Flag; It is part of a tapestry of countless battle fronts closing in on us and the America we knew just a generation ago. -- Space and time stop me from continuing this count.
#54. To: TooConservative (#50)
There is a big difference over training in the Mojave (and in uniform) and civilian infiltration operations being held in Flint and elsewhere with gunfire and explosions inside city limits.
#55. To: Vinny (#52)
So the answer is to join a militia where every other member is a federal plant?
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