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Title: More 1 AM Jade Helm Pre-Training: “YOU MAY HEAR HELICOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.”
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URL Source: http://truthstreammedia.com/2015/06 ... ions-please-do-not-be-alarmed/
Published: Jun 7, 2015
Author: Aaron and Melissa Dykes
Post Date: 2015-06-09 09:55:55 by Deckard
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When the American flag is flown upside down, if you were not aware, it is a signal of dire distress. Can you imagine what it is like to suddenly have low-flying military helicopters, explosions, and gunfire rocking your home in the middle of the night? This message went out on Facebook around midnight last night from the official Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page: “ATTENTION VIEWERS: PER FLINT POLICE OPERATIONS (FPO) THE US ARMY IS DOING TRAINING IN FLINT THIS WEEKEND AND YOU MAY HEAR HELCOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.” That message was sent out last night around midnight. Over the next few hours, some concerned and even downright scared citizens responded to what was taking place over and around their homes. Many were asking if this was part of Jade Helm. While several others in the thread responded said it was, the Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page never officially confirmed or denied this. Although some people were essentially congratulating the authorities for this last-minute martial law training in their neighborhood streets, others were more afraid of the attitudes of their fellow Americans. Around 8 p.m. Saturday night, M Live reported that police were coordinating safety measures for military exercises that were being announced for three areas in Flint: Police warn that helicopters and small explosions are expected to be part of the exercise. The exercise is controlled and contained, and police said there is no reason to be alarmed. The training exercises will conclude later Saturday night. Police announced Friday the exercises would take place over the weekend, and residents in the areas where training was taking place would be notified. Explosions rocked Flint’s East Side Tuesday, June 2, as the city warned residents to prepare for simulated ammunition fire and helicopters as U.S. Army soldiers begin 10 days of training. On Saturday afternoon, members of the U.S. Army National Guard 1776 MP Company went to Mounds RV Park in Mt. Morris to train in armored security vehicles. Some 60 to 70 soldiers were on site, ready to train to receive their licenses to operate the vehicles. Noting that the training would take place Saturday night kinda misleads one to believe it will be at a reasonable hour, doesn’t it? Flint, Michigan only has 100,000 people. It’s not a huge city. Why should people expect a small-scale war to suddenly break out on their streets? No explanation was ever given as to why this training could not have been conducted on a military base instead of on the residential streets of Flint, Michigan. This isn’t just one evening. This is ten days of hardcore military training. Ten days of low-flying chinooks in the middle of the night. Ten days of random gunfire and explosions breaking out. Ten days of armored military vehicles cruising the roads. Ten days of increased military presence in the streets of yet another American city. Imagine explaining this to your terrified children who are awakened in the middle of the night by what sounds like war breaking out in their Flint, Michigan backyard. Of course, if Flint residents happened to not be watching their TVs or checking up on law enforcement’s social media pages like the Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page, they wouldn’t have known, would they? Unannounced or barely announced military drills complete with realistic-sounding explosions, military hardware and even the detainment of mock dissidents have become a much more frequent occurrence on Main Street U.S.A. in recent months. In the lead up to this July’s Jade Helm drill, during which local, state, and federal law enforcement and military agencies will be teaming up and training together all across the Southwest for what we are told are international battlefields far far away, it has been happening more and more. We have no Posse Comitatus, quite obviously. Martial law desensitization is in full swing. Disruptive and alarming drills continue to break out in sporadic locations across the country. As unannounced and unnerving as they are to local residents, a bigger and much uglier picture is being painted here. Did you know that after the American Revolutionary War, most people in this country considered a standing army to be one of the most dangerous threats to liberty imaginable? Skip ahead a couple hundred years. Now look at where we are. This is America now. This is what our nation has become. Look around. Are we really a free country? We should not allow ourselves to be conditioned to accept and expect warfare in our backyards. There is every reason not to want the military to get used to training in our streets with our militarized police forces, much less carrying out raids on the citizens, and patrolling us. There is every reason not to want our neighbors, friends, and family to become acclimated to it either. There is every reason to question and speak out against this. Has anyone even sufficiently justified why this is really necessary? “For your safety” just isn’t cutting it anymore. Despite what the NDAA says, America is not a battlefield. The fact that officials see it as otherwise is deeply alarming and signals nothing less than tyranny. (H/T: Chris VanWyck) Delivered by The Daily Sheeple Contributed by Truthstream Media of TruthstreamMedia.com. Aaron Dykes and Melissa Melton created Truthstream Media.com as an outlet to examine the news, place it in a broader context, uncover the deceptions, pierce through the fabric of illusions, grasp the underlying factors, know the real enemy, unshackle from the system, and begin to imagine the path towards taking back our lives, one step at a time, so that one day we might truly be free…
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#6. To: redleghunter (#4)
Not the same as running ops in American towns and cities. There would be much less fuss if this was being done at Fort Hood or on federal lands in Nevada or Wyoming.
Other than HuffPo and CT sites can you link me to the exercise directive for JH or other news source? Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
I don't think I've seen any copies posted. Another disturbing element of the entire event. If their training is so harmless, why so much secrecy? For that matter, they are emphasizing training on infiltration of civilian towns and trying to "pass" long enough to accomplish their objectives. However, there is a fundamental problem with this. The only place our soldiers can operate without uniforms apparently is here in the States. If our military attempts civilian infiltration of foreign nations, they will be non-uniformed combatants and could be summarily executed as spies/assassins. So, unless you think it's spiffy to train our troops to operate outside the Geneva Convention, then exactly what is the merit of this ridiculous exercise? What is there about it that is so invaluable that they would conduct it to the detriment of the military's reputation? No matter what it is, it is now worth doing. Jade Helm is a terrible plan and these pols should rightly be chastised for allowing the Pentagon to go nuts with such "training exercises" (for non-uniformed operations that cannot be carried out lawfully by U.S. military overseas).
Maybe some of those who think that everything is WONDERFUL under the rule of dictator Obongo, are under the influence of some happy pills, like Rush and his Oxycontin? Life is good in the gulag! /s I did this in Laos,Cambodia,and Viet Nam. So did a lot of other people. The prime reason they are doing it here in the US during training missions is some soldiers,mostly people in leadership roles,need to experience this sort of thing from the perspective of the people you will be running operations against in real world deployments so you can have insights on how civilian populations will react and the things they will do. Realistic training saves lives. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I pinged two SF soldiers. Know quite a few myself. Part of every SFQT training is an infiltration course out on the "economy." I'm sure they can tell you this has been going on since the 60s. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
So you think it's legitimate for our military to practice at violating the Geneva Conventions and/or conducting military operations against American civilians here in the States? All this lawlessness that has become a constant theme of the Obola era will not end well. Obviously, we need to sharply cut military spending across the board.
Never been in the military,have you,bubba? A training exercise is NOT "conducting military operations against American civilians." All this lawlessness that has become a constant theme of the Obola era will not end well. Really? I had no idea that Obomber was president during WW-2. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Part of every SFQT training is an infiltration course out on the "economy." I'm sure they can tell you this has been going on since the 60s. << It's been going on as a part of the formal training with SF since the early 1950's,and more casually since WW-2 as the newly formed paratrooper divisions were preparing to jump into occupied Europe,where they would sometimes need the help of partisans for directions and discriptions of enemy positions. Paratroopers,by definition jump in behind enemy lines,so there had to be some training about how to deal with local civilians and utilize them when necessary. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You know I don't remember the civilians in Europe whining when Reforger was going on every year. And any damage that was caused by the troops was always fixed/paid for. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
They were always in American uniform.
All this lawlessness that has become a constant theme of the Obola era will not end well. Obviously, we need to sharply cut military spending across the board. Frankly we need to sharply cut the government spending on the salaries of the political masters. So you think it's legitimate for our military to practice at violating the Geneva Conventions and/or conducting military operations against American civilians here in the States? Show it...The military farts and the ACLU is there to smell it. Military personnel get in a bar fight and it's 'news' even here in Texas. Show me. Not these delusional and paranoid 'sources' Deckard posts. The infiltration course of SFQT avoids contact with the local populace. That's the purpose of the exercise. To go deep into an area of operations undetected. Not to interact with the local populace. 101st Airborne conducts Air Assault training from Florida to the Carolinas to Kentucky every year since the Cold War. They don't go into towns and cities but are out on the countryside establishing LZs. The sources so far published here show a military exercise led by Special Forces rounding up civilians. That is not a mission of SF nor do they have the logistical capacity for such missions. Any interaction with the local populace is done via the various state's National Guard. Any training states side in preparation for deployment overseas involving civilians is done via 'actor' civilian role players. Until someone can come up with a credible source on this JH exercise itself, as in an exercise directive, all we have are the usual hysterical piecemeal specious sites 'reporting' this. 25 years of military experience conducting exercises here and overseas tell me what is being presented here of our active duty military interacting with an unwillful local populace is bunk. Reports of helicopters flying low, explosions of artillery and tanks at a local impact area is not out of the norm states side. We forget a lot of these smaller military installations were active during the Cold War and saw little use since then. Lastly, the very first of our citizens who would cry foul of military intervention for even an exercise, would be active duty military. So someone needs to show me this exercise. Show me the Soldiers on the ground and the patches on their left shoulder. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
We are also dealing with an American populous where only the older folk remember the days of Cold War stateside training. The presence back then was on a larger scale. Add to the fact that we have more urban sprawl now so greater chance of civilians seeing what has been happening. Add to that blogs etc reporting such. Just last year someone on LP reported seeing a long train with military equipment on it and opined that the equipment was going to be used for one of these FEMA exercises. We used to get reports of military AF aircraft flying low in some areas. I wonder if they all just slept through it all during the Cold War when SAC was flying all over the place and we had I think (Gary and Pete help me here) 5 NG/Reserve SF Groups training stateside often on weekends and for their annual training in the summer. Then again we have all lived on or next to a military installation over the years and some places in our country have not heard the 'boom' of artillery in the impact area since the Cold War. Some were even immune to it back then. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
They were always in American uniform. No,they weren't. Some were always in civilian clothes playing the role of locals. Not to mention all the escape and evasion courses given to air crews that may have gotten shot down in Europe and who needed to dress in civilian clothes to avoid capture by the Nazi's. Or POW's who escaped. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I thought this might interest you -
The Pentagon press releases mention infiltrating civilian areas undetected and the sound of guns and explosions in civilian areas. Meaning that they are in contact with or likely to be in contact with civilians. Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood? Why do they insist they must conduct their training in proximity to civilians if civilians do not comprise any element of the exercise? We have plenty of empty land and even mostly empty towns they could drill in if that is the real objective.
Not to mention all the escape and evasion courses given to air crews that may have gotten shot down in Europe and who needed to dress in civilian clothes to avoid capture by the Nazi's. Or POW's who escaped. None of whom were still under the protections of the Geneva Conventions. You do realize we have imprisoned a lot of people at Gitmo and delivered others for rendition by torture to allies like Poland, Egypt, Romania, etc. and that nearly all of them were held under the status of "unlawful combatants". What, it's wrong for foreigners to fight in civilian clothes but a glorious defense of democracy when we do it? These international standards about soldiers is meant to protect lawful soldiers and the civilian population. As with so many other things we once did right, people seem to have no regard for these norms. It seems just another example of rising lawlessless by the elites and the courts. And very few voices speaking for these policies that helped safeguard the peace and render the conduct of war a little less brutal and capricious. I am surprised that you seem to want to portray our paratroopers and special forces as being nothing more than an army of spies, saboteurs and assassins. Because if you are not in a military uniform, that is what you are.
Please post the Pentagon press release. Thanks. Where exactly are these "explosions and sound of guns" happening? Is there an old out of use NG or Federal military installation nearby? If so, was it used in the past for service practice of ammunition. Once again, to expend any pyro practice munitions or live explosives off of a military reservation is prohibited by regulations. Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood? Why do they insist they must conduct their training in proximity to civilians if civilians do not comprise any element of the exercise? Frankly there is no reason to do so as you note. We spent millions on building 'mock villages' and city streets with buildings ON military installations. We have and currently employ civilian role players for these ON military installation exercises. Arab costumes and all. Could it be some of these peaceful towns hearing explosions forgot that prior to 9/11 we had units conducting force on force training on military installations firing artillery, dropping bombs, shooting Bradley and Abrams gunnery 7 days a week 24 hours a day, but that stopped when we trained for a COIN fight? Well we are back to pre-9/11 training now. More booms in the night. Meaning that they are in contact with or likely to be in contact with civilians. So I need more evidence these explosions and gun fire are happening OFF NG and federal land. Likely does not cut it. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Author: Jade Helm about winning civilian trust ...a few years ago, U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) officials decided they needed a new method of warfare to combat untraditional foes like al-Qaida, so they vowed to “master the human domain.” “What that does is it basically requires the military to adopt a strategy that leads to long-term relations in order to win military battles,” Chumley explained. Such a strategy involves dropping Special Forces in targeted areas, where they try to blend in with the local civilian population. The key is for the soldiers to build trust among the civilians and subsequently influence their behaviors. Lastly, the very first of our citizens who would cry foul of military intervention for even an exercise, would be active duty military. Soldiers will follow the orders of those above. U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens Will You Fire On American Citizens? The above question is quickly becoming the new litmus test for military officers to retain their rank. My military sources have been telling me that one of the primary reasons that we have seen a wholesale leadership change in the military, with over 260 senior command officers fired under Obama, is because many in our military will not indiscriminately fire upon innocent American citizens who refuse to submit to gun confiscation. This fact is verified by former Navy Seal Benjamin Smith as he has clearly stated that the Obama administration has a new “litmus test” for officers in the U.S. military,which asks officers if they’ll command their troops to confiscate firearms from Americans. More confirmation of this litmus test comes from ex-CIA agent, Dr. Jim Garrow. His account, listed below, is chilling, because it matches what I have been told by military personnel dating back to the Benghazi cover-up. Many veterans HAVE spoken out about this. Did you even skim the article in this thread? “ATTENTION VIEWERS: PER FLINT POLICE OPERATIONS (FPO) THE US ARMY IS DOING TRAINING IN FLINT THIS WEEKEND AND YOU MAY HEAR HELCOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.” They have steadily issued these warnings and descriptions of what the civilians should expect during these "exercises". I'm not sure why you suddenly want to pretend otherwise. CNN: "Abbott ordered the guard to "monitor" the eight week-long exercise which begins in July and ends in September, across seven states. In Texas, Utah and New Mexico most of the training will take place on private land. In Arizona, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi, much of it will take place on military installations."
Explosions rock Michigan neighborhood as US Army urban military training exercise begins (Flint, MI) Flint is nowhere near Selfridge, which incidentally is an Air Force Base. Do something about your paranoia....you need to calm down.
Many? Name only 500, please.
Because any training that isn't realistic is a waste of time and money,and accomplishes nothing. Why do they insist they must conduct their training in proximity to civilians if civilians do not comprise any element of the exercise? If they did it in secret far,far away from the gathering crowds,you would be bitching about "secret military operations training soldiers to take over America". Nobody,including you,can have it both ways. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Do you EVER write about anything you know something about? Prisoners of war HAVE A OBLIGATION TO ESCAPE. Once they do escape,it is legal under international law to shoot them on sightg. And we ALL know how considerate the Nazi's were about human life,right? If there is one thing they and the Soviets were known for,it was their sense of humanity. If someone were to magically take away your paranoia,you would no longer have a reason to live. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Because any training that isn't realistic is a waste of time and money,and accomplishes nothing. Author: Jade Helm about winning civilian trust “The fact that they’re doing this on American soil outside of U.S. military bases is at least worthy of watching and asking some questions, because the military basically trains where it’s going to be doing missions,” she reasoned. “So if they’re training on civilian grounds, in communities in seven different states, then you have to wonder, what are they training for?” That strategy was new in 1941. Ever hear of the OSS? Where do you think the people that started Special Forces came from? Many veterans HAVE spoken out about this. And many veterans don't know squat about warfare. Not even the ones that served in uniform during wartime. Just because someone wore a uniform,that doesn't mean they were ever in combat,or even close enough to it to hear distant explosions. Probably 90 percent of the US Army and the USMC never hear a shot fired their whole career that wasn't fired on a rifle range,and that figure jumps to damn near 100 percent when you are talking about the USAF,the USN,or the USCG. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Sounds like she is as clueless about the military as you are,but at least she has the excuse of being female. Why don't YOU just man up,enlist in the Army or the MC,and volunteer for duty with the Rangers or Force Recon,and find out for yourself? People with experience who DO know what they are talking about try to explain this stuff to you,but you are too arrogant and paranoid to listen,so enlist and find out for yourself,bucky! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You might have a valid point if the Special Forces infiltration was going on in Muslim strongholds like Dearbornistan. What intel do they hope to gather by infiltrating American towns? Who the gun owners and dissidents are? Where the local milita is meeting? Get off this thread. Immediately. Your toxic spamming, trolling, otherwise disruptive agenda has no place in a cerebral discussion over issue that are clearly beyond your intellect and mission. AS A SUBVERSIVE.
This happened in Michigan, right? You have stated that you live in Michigan, right?
Not true. My military sources have been telling me that one of the primary reasons that we have seen a wholesale leadership change in the military, with over 260 senior command officers fired under Obama... The source is flawed. Yes Obolo has fired senior 4 and 3 star generals but not 260 senior commanders. I would like to see this source's source or list. I will know quite a few names on the list. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Everyone knows the answer to that question. The local militia meets in a phone booth on the 2nd Sunday of each month.
The terrain and the tactical problems presented by the terrain are different in Muslim neighborhoods than "regular,unleaded neighborhoods" How so? BTW,the people that benefit the most from this trainging are the conventional infantry and close infantry support units. Despite what you see in the movies,other than Delta Force,Special Forces soldiers are not combat assault troops. They are leaders and instructors. As such their role in these scenarios is always as the enemy the conventional forces are going up against. It helps to sharpen the skills of both. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Gosh sneaky, I figured that would be obvious. If you are training to infiltrate Muslims you go to Muslim towns or you train in the Middle East. If you are training to implement martial law in America, you train in America. I can't make it any simpler than that for you. Oh - one more thing. This is not the same army that you were a part of during your "glory days". But the leadership meets in the local Holiday Inn,or the nearest FBI office. Whichever is closer. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
ROFLMAO! Good one! I have no idea why the Special Operations Command hasn't hired you as a consultant. (EXTREME sarcasm) Oh - one more thing. This is not the same army that you were a part of during your "glory days". And how do you know this? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Here's a local source: Flint residents will be notified as military exercises continue, city says Seems the local township leaders not only knew about this but coordinated with the military to allow them to use a closed junior HS building. Where I agree with you is there are ample DoD and NG facilities to conduct the pyro (blank ammunition) exercises so township folks don't think they live in Vieques PR or Killeen Texas or Fayettville NC. However, the 'blending in' part of the training has been happening since we have had SF. Those exercises are coordinated with local authorities as well. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
That's nonsense. No one objects to training on military bases or military reservations like Fort Hood. Or on remote federal lands which is also routine.
Why not train in Dearborn, Michigan instead of Flint. Dearborn has the largest Arab community in the States by far. At least you might argue it is more realistic training, based on recent, current, and likely upcoming wars.
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#7. To: TooConservative (#6)
Not the same as running ops in American towns and cities.
#8. To: redleghunter, Deckard, sneakypete, tpaine, Gatlin (#7)
Other than HuffPo and CT sites can you link me to the exercise directive for JH or other news source?
#9. To: redleghunter (#4)
drug induced delusions by the same people who want to legalize recreational use of every drug under the sun to include Meth. Paranoia is a side effect of most of these drugs.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#10. To: TooConservative (#8)
The only place our soldiers can operate without uniforms apparently is here in the States. If our military attempts civilian infiltration of foreign nations, they will be non-uniformed combatants and could be summarily executed as spies/assassins.
#11. To: TooConservative, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#8)
For that matter, they are emphasizing training on infiltration of civilian towns and trying to "pass" long enough to accomplish their objectives.
#12. To: redleghunter (#11)
Part of every SFQT training is an infiltration course out on the "economy." I'm sure they can tell you this has been going on since the 60s.
#13. To: TooConservative (#12)
So you think it's legitimate for our military to practice at violating the Geneva Conventions and/or conducting military operations against American civilians here in the States?
#14. To: redleghunter (#11)
#15. To: sneakypete (#10)
Realistic training saves lives.
#16. To: redleghunter, Deckard, GarySpFc (#5)
Don't these people live near a military installation?
#17. To: sneakypete (#14)
Paratroopers,by definition jump in behind enemy lines,so there had to be some training about how to deal with local civilians and utilize them when necessary.
#18. To: TooConservative, sneakypete, Deckard, GarySpFc, CZ82, liberator (#12)
So you think it's legitimate for our military to practice at violating the Geneva Conventions and/or conducting military operations against American civilians here in the States?
#19. To: CZ82, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#16)
You know I don't remember the civilians in Europe whining when Reforger was going on every year. And any damage that was caused by the troops was always fixed/paid for.
#20. To: TooConservative (#17)
Paratroopers,by definition jump in behind enemy lines,so there had to be some training about how to deal with local civilians and utilize them when necessary.
#21. To: Liberator (#2)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#22. To: redleghunter (#18)
The infiltration course of SFQT avoids contact with the local populace. That's the purpose of the exercise.
#23. To: sneakypete (#20)
(Edited)
Some were always in civilian clothes playing the role of locals.
#24. To: TooConservative (#22)
The Pentagon press releases mention infiltrating civilian areas undetected and the sound of guns and explosions in civilian areas. Meaning that they are in contact with or likely to be in contact with civilians. Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood? Why do they insist they must conduct their training in proximity to civilians if civilians do not comprise any element of the exercise? We have plenty of empty land and even mostly empty towns they could drill in if that is the real objective.
#25. To: redleghunter, TooConservative, sneakypete (#18)
The infiltration course of SFQT avoids contact with the local populace. That's the purpose of the exercise.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#26. To: redleghunter (#24)
#27. To: redleghunter, TooConservative (#24)
So I need more evidence these explosions and gun fire are happening OFF NG and federal land.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#28. To: Deckard (#27)
#29. To: Deckard (#25)
Many veterans HAVE spoken out about this.
#30. To: TooConservative (#22)
Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood?
#31. To: TooConservative (#23)
None of whom were still under the protections of the Geneva Conventions.
#32. To: sneakypete, TooConservative, redleghunter, hondo68 (#30)
Otherwise, why wouldn't you stage your exercises on federal lands or a military reservation like Fort Hood?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#33. To: Deckard (#25)
(Edited)
Such a strategy involves dropping Special Forces in targeted areas, where they try to blend in with the local civilian population. The key is for the soldiers to build trust among the civilians and subsequently influence their behaviors.
#34. To: Deckard (#32)
“The fact that they’re doing this on American soil outside of U.S. military bases is at least worthy of watching and asking some questions, because the military basically trains where it’s going to be doing missions,” she reasoned. “So if they’re training on civilian grounds, in communities in seven different states, then you have to wonder, what are they training for?”
#35. To: sneakypete (#33)
(Edited)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#36. To: Gatlin (#28)
#37. To: Deckard (#35)
What intel do they hope to gather by infiltrating American towns?
#38. To: Deckard (#25)
The above question is quickly becoming the new litmus test for military officers to retain their rank.
#39. To: Deckard, Buckeroo (#35)
Where the local milita is meeting?
#40. To: Deckard (#35)
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You might have a valid point if the Special Forces infiltration was going on in Muslim strongholds like Dearbornistan.
#41. To: sneakypete (#40)
The terrain and the tactical problems presented by the terrain are different in Muslim neighborhoods than "regular,unleaded neighborhoods"
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#42. To: Vinny (#39)
The local militia meets in a phone booth on the 2nd Sunday of each month.
#43. To: Deckard (#41)
(Edited)
If you are training to infiltrate Muslims you go to Muslim towns or you train in the Middle East.
#44. To: Deckard, TooConservative, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#27)
#45. To: sneakypete (#30)
If they did it in secret far,far away from the gathering crowds,you would be bitching about "secret military operations training soldiers to take over America".
#46. To: Deckard (#41)
If you are training to infiltrate Muslims you go to Muslim towns or you train in the Middle East.
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