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Title: Land of the Unfree – Police and Prosecutors Fight Aggressively to Retain Barbaric Right of “Civil Asset Forfeiture”
Source: Liberty Blitzkrieg
URL Source: http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/0 ... ght-of-civil-asset-forfeiture/
Published: Jun 4, 2015
Author: Michael Krieger
Post Date: 2015-06-05 10:21:58 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 39130
Comments: 215

Efforts to limit seizures of money, homes and other property from people who may never be convicted of a crime are stalling out amid a wave of pressure from prosecutors and police.

Their effort, at least at the state level, appears to be working. At least a dozen states considered bills restricting or even abolishing forfeiture that isn’t accompanied by a conviction or gives law enforcement less control over forfeited proceeds. But most measures failed to pass.

– From the Wall Street Journal article: Efforts to Curb Asset Seizures by Law Enforcement Hit Headwinds

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The fact that civil asset forfeiture continues to exist across the American landscape despite outrage and considerable media attention, is as good an example as any as to how far fallen and uncivilized our so-called “society” has become. It also proves the point demonstrated in a Princeton University study that the U.S. is not a democracy, and the desires of the people have no impact on how the country is governed.

Civil asset forfeiture was first highlighted on these pages in the 2013 post, Why You Should Never, Ever Drive Through Tenaha, Texas, in which I explained:

In a nutshell, civil forfeiture is the practice of confiscating items from people, ranging from cash, cars, even homes based on no criminal conviction or charges, merely suspicion. This practice first became widespread for use against pirates, as a way to take possession of contraband goods despite the fact that the ships’ owners in many cases were located thousands of miles away and couldn’t easily be prosecuted. As is often the case, what starts out reasonable becomes a gigantic organized crime ring of criminality, particularly in a society where the rule of law no longer exists for the “elite,” yet anything goes when it comes to pillaging the average citizen.

One of the major reasons these programs have become so abused is that the police departments themselves are able to keep much of the confiscated money. So they actually have a perverse incentive to steal. As might be expected, a program that is often touted as being effective against going after major drug kingpins, actually targets the poor and disenfranchised more than anything else.

Civil asset forfeiture is state-sanctioned theft. There is no other way around it. The entire concept violates the spirit of the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments to the Constitution. In case you have any doubt:

The 4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The 5th Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The 6th Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Civil asset forfeiture is a civil rights issue, and it should be seen as such by everyone. Just because it targets the entire population as opposed to a specific race, gender or sexual orientation doesn’t make it less important.

The problem with opposition in America today is that people aren’t seeing modern battle lines clearly. The greatest friction and abuse occurring in these United States today comes from the corporate-fascist state’s attack against average citizens. It doesn’t matter what color or gender you are. If you are weak, poor and vulnerable you are ripe for the picking. Until people see the battle lines clearly, it will be very difficult to achieve real change. Most people are divided and conquered along their superficial little tribal affiliations, and they completely miss the bigger picture to the peril of society. Which is why women will support Hillary just because she’s a woman, not caring in the least that she is a compromised, corrupt oligarch stooge.

In case you have any doubt about how little your opinion matters when it comes to the rights of police to rob you blind, read the following excerpts from the Wall Street Journal:

Efforts to limit seizures of money, homes and other property from people who may never be convicted of a crime are stalling out amid a wave of pressure from prosecutors and police.

Read that sentence over and over again until you get it. This is a free country?

Critics have taken aim at the confiscatory powers over concerns that authorities have too much latitude and often too strong a financial incentive when deciding whether to seize property suspected of being tied to criminal activity.

But after New Mexico passed a law this spring hailed by civil-liberties groups as a breakthrough in their effort to rein in states’ forfeiture programs, prosecutor and police associations stepped up their own lobbying campaign, warning legislators that passing such laws would deprive them of a potent crime-fighting tool and rip a hole in law-enforcement budgets.

Their effort, at least at the state level, appears to be working. At least a dozen states considered bills restricting or even abolishing forfeiture that isn’t accompanied by a conviction or gives law enforcement less control over forfeited proceeds. But most measures failed to pass.

“What happened in those states is a testament to the power of the law-enforcement lobby,” said Scott Bullock, a senior attorney at the Institute for Justice, a libertarian-leaning advocacy group that has led a push for laws giving property owners more protections. 

It seems the only people in America without a powerful lobby group are actual American citizens. See: Charting the American Oligarchy – How 0.01% of the Population Contributes 42% of All Campaign Cash

Prosecutors say forfeiture laws help ensure that drug traffickers, white-collar thieves and other wrongdoers can’t enjoy the fruits of their misdeeds and help curb crime by depriving criminals of the “tools” of their trade. Under federal law and in many states, a conviction isn’t required.

“White-collar thieves,” they say. Yet I haven’t seen a single bank executive’s assets confiscated. Rather, they received taxpayer bailout funds with which to pay themselves record bonuses after wrecking the global economy. Don’t forget:

The U.S. Department of Justice Handles Banker Criminals Like Juvenile Offenders…Literally

In Texas, lawmakers introduced more than a dozen bills addressing forfeiture during this year’s legislative session, which ended Monday. Some would either force the government to meet a higher burden of proof or subject forfeiture programs to more stringent financial disclosure rules and audits. 

But only one bill, which law-enforcement officials didn’t object to, ultimately passed. It requires the state attorney general to publish an annual report of forfeited funds based on data submitted by local authorities. That information, at the moment, is only accessible through freedom-of-information requests.

This is what a corporate-statist oligarchy looks like.

Shannon Edmonds, a lobbyist for the Texas District and County Attorneys Association, said local enforcement officers and prosecutors “educated their legislators about how asset forfeiture really works in Texas.”

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan last month vetoed a bill that would, among other things, prohibit the state from turning over seized property to the federal government unless the owner has been charged with a federal crime or gives consent.

Remember, the terrorists hate us for our freedom.

Prosecutors said the Tenaha episode was an isolated breakdown in the system. “Everybody knows there are bad eggs out there,” Karen Morris, who supervises the Harris County district attorney’s forfeiture unit, told Texas lawmakers at a hearing this spring. “But we don’t stop prosecuting people for murder just because some district attorneys have made mistakes.”

When police aren’t out there stealing your hard earned assets without a trial or charges, they can often be found pounding on citizens for kicks. I came across the following three headlines this morning alone as I was the scanning news.

Cop Exonerated After Being Caught on Video Brutally Beating A Tourist Who Asked For A Tampon

Kids in Police-Run Youth Camp Allegedly Beaten, Threatened By Cops

Florida Cop Charged With On-Duty Child Abuse; Suspended With Pay

This is not what freedom looks like.

For related articles, see:

The DEA Strikes Again – Agents Seize Man’s Life Savings Under Civil Asset Forfeiture Without Charges

Asset Forfeiture – How Cops Continue to Steal Americans’ Hard Earned Cash with Zero Repercussions

Quote of the Day – An Incredible Statement from the City Attorney of Las Cruces, New Mexico

“Common People Do Not Carry This Much U.S. Currency…” – This is How Police Justify Stealing American Citizens’ Money

In Liberty, Michael Krieger

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#75. To: Gatlin (#70)

You ought to be happy, thanks to you I am limited to 10 posts per day, 2

Like most incarcerated criminals or the very liberal millennium generation of today, he blames others for his crimes or misfortunes.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-06   8:07:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: A Pole (#27)

"So what about $1000 or $2000? Can they take it?"

So you still insist that cops are walking up to random citizens, asking where the $1000 or $2000 in their pockets came from, then stealing it.

Your ignorance about civil asset forfeiture is astounding.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-06   8:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: misterwhite (#76) (Edited)

So you still insist that cops are walking up to random citizens, asking where the $1000 or $2000 in their pockets came from, then stealing it.

If that were the case, I'd have retired 15 years ago AND bought my own political talk forum

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-06   9:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: GrandIsland (#75)

He let his hatred completely take over and become uncontrolled anger..

Old Buddha said that:

Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-06   9:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Gatlin (#78)

It's best not to discuss it or bring attention to it. Disruption happened, it was handled and now it's over... time to move on and use this forum for what it's intended to be used for.

I'll be landscaping in my back yard all day. Be on and off. I just finished installing a 16X18 brick patio with a 50 foot walkway. Time to repair the grass around it, and start another small stone patio project that my BBQ grill will sit on.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-06   9:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Fred Mertz, Dead Culture Watch, misterwhite, GrandIsland, Operation 40, tpaine, Orwellian Nightmare, Fred Mertzx, CT k0oKz (#60)

I'll let the agenda posters disrupt the site all by themselves.

GI and Gatlin have quite the conspiracy theory going. Everyone else is an "agenda poster". What they're saying in essence is that they're "Ready for Hillary"!

"A vast right wing conspiracy" ~Hillary Rodham Clinton


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-06-06   9:43:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: hondo68 (#80) (Edited)

Everyone else is an "agenda poster".

Nowhere have I even insinuated such garbage. Just because you, another AGENDA poster, knows you qualify for the title, you spin my words into a YELLA maze of Deckard like propaganda.

There are many posters here that post for discussion... not to sell their agenda. If you use all the brain cells you've got, you can distinguish between the two. I'll give you a hint... anyone that is offended by the term "agenda poster"... IS PROBABLY ONE. lol

You and your peers out yourselves.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-06   9:52:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: misterwhite (#76)

random citizens, asking where the $1000 or $2000 in their pockets

No need. It is enough to tell car dealer on phone or email that you will bring cash. Let this $20K be a surprise for him.

A Pole  posted on  2015-06-06   9:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: hondo68 (#80)

GI and Gatlin have quite the conspiracy theory going. Everyone else is an "agenda poster".

They singled out Deckard and tp. Not "everyone else".

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-06   9:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: A Pole (#82)

No need. It is enough to tell car dealer on phone or email that you will bring cash. Let this $20K be a surprise for him.

Right. You're in Baltimore and you tell a "car dealer" in Miami that you're bringing $20,000 cash in small bills to buy a "car".

When pulled over for speeding in your rental car, you forget the Miami "car dealer's" name and claim that the $20,000 was collected from "friends". And you can't remember their names either.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-06   10:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Deckard, A K A Stone (#62)

You ought to be happy, thanks to you I am limited to 10 posts per day, 200 characters.

What's up with that? Seems unfair at least in my eyes.

C'mon Pebbles, lighten up.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-06-06   10:38:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: misterwhite (#84)

Right. You're in Baltimore and you tell a "car dealer" in Miami that you're bringing $20,000 cash in small bills to buy a "car".

When pulled over for speeding in your rental car, you forget the Miami "car dealer's" name and claim that the $20,000 was collected from "friends". And you can't remember their names either.

They don't post responses towards right or wrong ideology... they've turned into just defending almost all criminal activity. Anarchy.

They know it's wrong and they know the assets seized were obtained through illegal activity... they don't care. It's useless discuss it. Plain and simple.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-06   10:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: GrandIsland, misterwhite (#86)

They know it's wrong and they know the assets seized were obtained through illegal activity...

If these assets were obtained through illegal activity how come there were no charges, no trial and no convictions for this illegal activity?

Why do you want criminals to go free? Explain please! To get money from them?

A Pole  posted on  2015-06-06   11:47:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Gatlin, Operation 40 (#72)

It's not unreasonable to expect extraordinary work from someone who has the trusted ability to create it.

This is exactly why posters here find you repulsive, you pompous arrogant blowhard.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-06   12:16:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Deckard (#88)

Why do you let this bother you SO much?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-06   13:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: A Pole (#87) (Edited)

"If these assets were obtained through illegal activity how come there were no charges, no trial and no convictions for this illegal activity?"

Because this is a civil trial against the property, not a criminal trial against the person.

As such, the government only needs to show a "preponderance of the evidence" as their burden of proof, not "beyond a reasonable doubt" as in a criminal case.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-06   13:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Deckard, Gatlin (#88)

"... you pompous arrogant blowhard."

Hey, hey. Gatlin is not arrogant.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-06   13:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Fred Mertz (#85)

The way I see it is if 1 gets punished then all 3 should get the same punishment, cause now the other 2 will think they can get away with the same thing again.

I don't know about you but I think everybody is getting kinda tired of hearing about yellow journalism, paultards and not so pristine religious figures incessantly.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-06   13:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: misterwhite, Deckard (#91) (Edited)

"... you pompous arrogant blowhard."

Hey, hey. Gatlin is not arrogant.

You are too funny...

Plea bargain?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-06   13:59:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Gatlin, misterwhite, Moderator X (#93)

Funny how Gatlin can post semi-porn and not a word from the canary clan.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-06   14:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: misterwhite (#90)

Because this is a civil trial against the property, not a criminal trial against the person.

No need to educate them. If they can't figure shit out then they have three alternatives....

1) educate themselves

2) continue to ask stupid questions

3) create a conspiracy theory about wide spread corruption as a means to figure out what they don't understand or agree with.

I'm thinking apole will always be a 2 & 3 person.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-06   14:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Deckard, misterwhite, Moderator X (#94) (Edited)

Funny how Gatlin can post semi-porn and not a word from the canary clan.

I am sorry, but your post makes absolutely no sense to me….and the reason you would ping Moderator X is not understandable. However, I will reply with a general comment for you to consider. It may help you, and then it may not.

There is always a choice in everything you do in life. A conscious choice I make every single day is to control my mindset as a top priority and then I can easily consider things in perspective to fully realize it’s worth nothing to let anyone or anything upset me.

This actually brings to mind a great quote –
      “Every day brings a choice: to practice stress or to practice peace.” ~Joan Borysenko

Deckard, it is important to not let yourself get so worked up. You can choose to control your negative reactions. Don’t expend energy feeding them. Relax. Realize that life is a very beautiful gift given by God. You should start enjoying it in every possible way instead of always looking for things to gross yourself out about. There is more to life than living with the constant paranoia of conspiracy theories and hate.

I am going to back off our exchanges until you can settle yourself down. I will be pleased to discuss topics with you and I will continue to point out the yellow in the journalism articles you post. I will, however, refrain from responding to your snide remarks.

Happiness is out there, everywhere….let it find you.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-06   15:13:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: GrandIsland, CZ82, Fred Mertz, Deckard (#95)

3) create a conspiracy theory about....

Create a conspiracy theory about.... creating conspiracy theories. Yeah, that'll work!

You just can't resist the temptation to be a CT freak, can you?


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-06-06   15:19:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Gatlin (#96) (Edited)

What a liar. you know EXACTLY what you did.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-06   15:50:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Gatlin, Moderator X (#96) (Edited)

Scroll down to post #46 for Gatlin's fine choice of leather goods...

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtN

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-06   16:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Gatlin (#96)

"Funny how Gatlin can post semi-porn and not a word from the canary clan.'

You're posting porn and not pinging me? Unforgivable.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-06   18:41:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: misterwhite (#100)

Funny how Gatlin can post semi-porn and not a word from the canary clan.

You're posting porn and not pinging me? Unforgivable.

I am still waiting for "word from the canary clan."

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-06   18:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: misterwhite (#14)

If we stop seizing the money from criminals, the local taxing authorities will simply raise property taxes an equal amount.

Write your representative. Tell him to raise your taxes rather than taking the money from criminals. You have principles, dammit!

Perhaps if the LEOs were not spending much of their time turning over innocent rocks to find loot they would not even be needed, thus reducing the need for so many of them to exist.

Example: Officer Murphy spends X amount of time making sure citizen's money makes its way to the LE office coffers. Many of his buddies also spend X amount of time collecting LEO "tithes". Adding X amount of time up and multiplying by pay rate, perhaps we can just eliminate a couple of LEOs and not have to worry about the budget they took up.

Better yet, if they really needed to raise the taxes, they would have done it already. The reason there is a debate is because of the shell-game they are playing to keep the imaginary budgetary needs afloat.

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-06-07   0:41:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: GrandIsland (#45)

Every part of your post is disingenuous.

1) cut and paste one time on this site I called anyone that.

>>>>>1) Calling people here 'paultards

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...t.cgi?ArtNum=32479&Disp=1

#21. To: liberator (#0)

The wheelchair Republican, was correct in banning all you trouble making-site disrupters.

Say what you will, but it's only PAULTARDs that create threads like this and hack ID's... the ultimate disruption. Fiberator seems to always be in the middle of it. Your ID and your IP address and any address near it should be banned, dipshit.

GrandIsland posted on 2012-10-02 12:51:09 ET Reply Trace

Challenge Accepted

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-06-07   1:01:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: TheFireBert, hondo68, Deckard (#103)

Great job! GI gets slammed as a liar.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-06-07   1:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Fred Mertz, heFireBert, hondo68, Deckard, GrandIsland (#104) (Edited)

Great job! GI gets slammed as a liar.

GrandIsland did NOT lie.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-07   8:38:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: TheFireBert, GrandIsland, Fred Mertz (#103) (Edited)

GrandIsland DEFINITELY did NOT post this ON LF!

It was ORIGINALLY posted on LP, then copied and pasted to LF by someone.

Double check and you will find this to be true.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-07   9:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Gatlin (#106)

I was gonna post that... but if the Agenda posters can't understand "ON THIS SITE"... then they ain't worth discussing topics with.

More YELLA garbage.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-07   9:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#106) (Edited)

Stone, please send me a private message

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-07   10:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Gatlin (#106) (Edited)

#10. To: whyofcourse (#9) (Edited)

Why don't you post it here

OK, will do. It's dopey, but what the heck. It could be called, "BorisY's big cannabis flashback".

It was I who posted what was in my browser cache after the article was deleted at LP. Included in my post #10 are the LP numbers starting from 1 and going up to 68, and the poster's names are in BLACK. After 68 is my name in BLUE (the end of post 10). Then the next post is #11, with the poster's names in blue from there onward.

The ones with the poster's handle in BLACK are from LP.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-06-07   10:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Gatlin (#106) (Edited)

Double check and you will find this to be true.

Ok, I checked the link again, and sure enough, GI uttered that text (Bold is his words):

The wheelchair Republican, was correct in banning all you trouble making-site disrupters.

Say what you will, but it's only PAULTARDs that create threads like this and hack ID's... the ultimate disruption. Fiberator seems to always be in the middle of it. Your ID and your IP address and any address near it should be banned, dipshit.
It really doesn't matter if he copied and pasted the text from LP. GI did not format the text in a way that indicates that they are not his own words. Besides, GI has a history of this kind of behavior, so it is quite the moot point. He simply issued a challenge, and I accepted. I did not do it to call him out. He did that himself.

It is honorable to stick up for your buddy, but perhaps you should go back and delete the comment that I re-posted before trying to claim it untrue.

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-06-07   10:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: TheFireBert, hondo68, GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#110)

GI only posted that on LP.
He never copied and pasted the LP text.
Hondo did it, see his Post #109.
Study the formatting in your link carefully to see this.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-07   11:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: hondo68 (#109)

It was I who posted what was in my browser cache after the article was deleted at LP.

Wow, no wonder that seemed to be a mess of a thread.

I guess now either GI or Gatlin is going to argue that the text was originally posted on LP instead of LF, thus making the claim "technically" true while ignoring the fact that GI does babble in this type of behavior constantly.

I would not have even responded if I did not experience some of his antics in LP threads myself. GrandIsland, misterwhite, Gatlin, yukon, and many others exhibit the same common behaviors that become quite memorable (and sometimes disgusting for a couple of those screen names).

...unless PAULTARDs hacked his ID, of course! LOL

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-06-07   11:15:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: TheFireBert (#112)

...unless PAULTARDs hacked his ID, of course! LOL

With the password: STERNO

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-06-07   11:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: TheFireBert. hondo68, GrandIsland, Fred Mertz (#112)

Please don't quibble.
Just graciously admit you made a mistake.
That is the honorable thing to do.
And I sincerely believe you to be an honorable person.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-07   11:30:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Deckard, A K A Stone, LF Saboteur (#23)

#23. To: Gatlin (#22)

A obscene remark does nothing to inspire a serious debate.

When have you [Gatlin] ever been interested in a "serious debate" leather-boy canary clown?

Answer: NEVER.

You deserve nothing but scorn and ridicule.

Sure, he a discredited fraud who needs to spend a year a psychiatric ward, and but let's not forget...he needs our sympathy.

It's not good news whether Gatlin is just a low-level troll supporting a fascist police state and hating on Christians and liberty...or just doing what he does in his spare time: Being a clownish disruptor (when he's not unhealthily and repeatedly popping Viagra while posting threads on misguided Pastors for the sole purpose of using Liberty's Flame as a G00gle-beacon.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-07   11:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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