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Title: Land of the Unfree – Police and Prosecutors Fight Aggressively to Retain Barbaric Right of “Civil Asset Forfeiture”
Source: Liberty Blitzkrieg
URL Source: http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/0 ... ght-of-civil-asset-forfeiture/
Published: Jun 4, 2015
Author: Michael Krieger
Post Date: 2015-06-05 10:21:58 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 39180
Comments: 215

Efforts to limit seizures of money, homes and other property from people who may never be convicted of a crime are stalling out amid a wave of pressure from prosecutors and police.

Their effort, at least at the state level, appears to be working. At least a dozen states considered bills restricting or even abolishing forfeiture that isn’t accompanied by a conviction or gives law enforcement less control over forfeited proceeds. But most measures failed to pass.

– From the Wall Street Journal article: Efforts to Curb Asset Seizures by Law Enforcement Hit Headwinds

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The fact that civil asset forfeiture continues to exist across the American landscape despite outrage and considerable media attention, is as good an example as any as to how far fallen and uncivilized our so-called “society” has become. It also proves the point demonstrated in a Princeton University study that the U.S. is not a democracy, and the desires of the people have no impact on how the country is governed.

Civil asset forfeiture was first highlighted on these pages in the 2013 post, Why You Should Never, Ever Drive Through Tenaha, Texas, in which I explained:

In a nutshell, civil forfeiture is the practice of confiscating items from people, ranging from cash, cars, even homes based on no criminal conviction or charges, merely suspicion. This practice first became widespread for use against pirates, as a way to take possession of contraband goods despite the fact that the ships’ owners in many cases were located thousands of miles away and couldn’t easily be prosecuted. As is often the case, what starts out reasonable becomes a gigantic organized crime ring of criminality, particularly in a society where the rule of law no longer exists for the “elite,” yet anything goes when it comes to pillaging the average citizen.

One of the major reasons these programs have become so abused is that the police departments themselves are able to keep much of the confiscated money. So they actually have a perverse incentive to steal. As might be expected, a program that is often touted as being effective against going after major drug kingpins, actually targets the poor and disenfranchised more than anything else.

Civil asset forfeiture is state-sanctioned theft. There is no other way around it. The entire concept violates the spirit of the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments to the Constitution. In case you have any doubt:

The 4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The 5th Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The 6th Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Civil asset forfeiture is a civil rights issue, and it should be seen as such by everyone. Just because it targets the entire population as opposed to a specific race, gender or sexual orientation doesn’t make it less important.

The problem with opposition in America today is that people aren’t seeing modern battle lines clearly. The greatest friction and abuse occurring in these United States today comes from the corporate-fascist state’s attack against average citizens. It doesn’t matter what color or gender you are. If you are weak, poor and vulnerable you are ripe for the picking. Until people see the battle lines clearly, it will be very difficult to achieve real change. Most people are divided and conquered along their superficial little tribal affiliations, and they completely miss the bigger picture to the peril of society. Which is why women will support Hillary just because she’s a woman, not caring in the least that she is a compromised, corrupt oligarch stooge.

In case you have any doubt about how little your opinion matters when it comes to the rights of police to rob you blind, read the following excerpts from the Wall Street Journal:

Efforts to limit seizures of money, homes and other property from people who may never be convicted of a crime are stalling out amid a wave of pressure from prosecutors and police.

Read that sentence over and over again until you get it. This is a free country?

Critics have taken aim at the confiscatory powers over concerns that authorities have too much latitude and often too strong a financial incentive when deciding whether to seize property suspected of being tied to criminal activity.

But after New Mexico passed a law this spring hailed by civil-liberties groups as a breakthrough in their effort to rein in states’ forfeiture programs, prosecutor and police associations stepped up their own lobbying campaign, warning legislators that passing such laws would deprive them of a potent crime-fighting tool and rip a hole in law-enforcement budgets.

Their effort, at least at the state level, appears to be working. At least a dozen states considered bills restricting or even abolishing forfeiture that isn’t accompanied by a conviction or gives law enforcement less control over forfeited proceeds. But most measures failed to pass.

“What happened in those states is a testament to the power of the law-enforcement lobby,” said Scott Bullock, a senior attorney at the Institute for Justice, a libertarian-leaning advocacy group that has led a push for laws giving property owners more protections. 

It seems the only people in America without a powerful lobby group are actual American citizens. See: Charting the American Oligarchy – How 0.01% of the Population Contributes 42% of All Campaign Cash

Prosecutors say forfeiture laws help ensure that drug traffickers, white-collar thieves and other wrongdoers can’t enjoy the fruits of their misdeeds and help curb crime by depriving criminals of the “tools” of their trade. Under federal law and in many states, a conviction isn’t required.

“White-collar thieves,” they say. Yet I haven’t seen a single bank executive’s assets confiscated. Rather, they received taxpayer bailout funds with which to pay themselves record bonuses after wrecking the global economy. Don’t forget:

The U.S. Department of Justice Handles Banker Criminals Like Juvenile Offenders…Literally

In Texas, lawmakers introduced more than a dozen bills addressing forfeiture during this year’s legislative session, which ended Monday. Some would either force the government to meet a higher burden of proof or subject forfeiture programs to more stringent financial disclosure rules and audits. 

But only one bill, which law-enforcement officials didn’t object to, ultimately passed. It requires the state attorney general to publish an annual report of forfeited funds based on data submitted by local authorities. That information, at the moment, is only accessible through freedom-of-information requests.

This is what a corporate-statist oligarchy looks like.

Shannon Edmonds, a lobbyist for the Texas District and County Attorneys Association, said local enforcement officers and prosecutors “educated their legislators about how asset forfeiture really works in Texas.”

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan last month vetoed a bill that would, among other things, prohibit the state from turning over seized property to the federal government unless the owner has been charged with a federal crime or gives consent.

Remember, the terrorists hate us for our freedom.

Prosecutors said the Tenaha episode was an isolated breakdown in the system. “Everybody knows there are bad eggs out there,” Karen Morris, who supervises the Harris County district attorney’s forfeiture unit, told Texas lawmakers at a hearing this spring. “But we don’t stop prosecuting people for murder just because some district attorneys have made mistakes.”

When police aren’t out there stealing your hard earned assets without a trial or charges, they can often be found pounding on citizens for kicks. I came across the following three headlines this morning alone as I was the scanning news.

Cop Exonerated After Being Caught on Video Brutally Beating A Tourist Who Asked For A Tampon

Kids in Police-Run Youth Camp Allegedly Beaten, Threatened By Cops

Florida Cop Charged With On-Duty Child Abuse; Suspended With Pay

This is not what freedom looks like.

For related articles, see:

The DEA Strikes Again – Agents Seize Man’s Life Savings Under Civil Asset Forfeiture Without Charges

Asset Forfeiture – How Cops Continue to Steal Americans’ Hard Earned Cash with Zero Repercussions

Quote of the Day – An Incredible Statement from the City Attorney of Las Cruces, New Mexico

“Common People Do Not Carry This Much U.S. Currency…” – This is How Police Justify Stealing American Citizens’ Money

In Liberty, Michael Krieger

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#47. To: GrandIsland, gatlin, misterwhite, Y'ALL (#43)

buckeroo, You are the biggest offender of trashing this site up. You don't post a single thing worth while... and most of your posts are disruptive type attacks towards others having a discussion. Deckard is number 2..

tpaine You are number 3

I'll match my record here of posting 'worth while' articles against yours any time ..

And I'll admit, --- many of my posts are disruptive type comments towards you, gatlin and misterwhite while you three are making disruptive attacks on our constitutional principles.

And they'll continue, as long as you three refuse to discuss such issues.

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-05   23:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: GrandIsland (#46)

Who says I hate you? I don't know you personally. I'd interact with you if you grew up... start there.

Oh ... Man 'O Man ... if you don't understand the utter disgust I have for publick servants, there is no need for this dialogue.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-05   23:06:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: tpaine (#47) (Edited)

And I'll admit, --- many of my posts are disruptive type comments towards you, gatlin and misterwhite while you three are making disruptive attacks on our constitutional principles.

And they'll continue, as long as you three refuse to discuss such issues.

And that's why I see you as an AGENDA poster. It's never been good enough to kindly disagree... you've gotta indoctrinate the only topic you post about.

So... why would I want to tell you 1,000 times that I disagree with your ideology. It gets old. Preach to your own audience. They'll love you for it... but you'd rather disrupt the site.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   23:10:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: buckeroo (#48)

Oh ... Man 'O Man ... if you don't understand the utter disgust I have for publick servants, there is no need for this dialogue.

Then ignore me or anyone you have disgust for and stop shitting on Stones leg. This site isn't all about you, Deckard and Tpaine.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   23:12:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: GrandIsland, Deckard, tpaine, AKA Stone (#50)

Then ignore me or anyone you have disgust for and stop shitting on Stones leg.

I won't edit or confine any posts to your personal liking.

This site isn't all about you, Deckard and Tpaine.

How do you really know?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-05   23:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: buckeroo (#51) (Edited)

This site isn't all about you, Deckard and

How do you really know?

Because contrary to your opinions... neither of you are that important... even tho you all act as though you all are the most important people you know. A liberal trait.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   23:21:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: GrandIsland (#45)

1) Calling people here 'paultards ----

Every part of your post is disingenuous. ---- 1) cut and paste one time on this site I called anyone that.

Here's the result of a very fast Google search: ----

Say what you will, but it's only PAULTARDs that create threads like this and hack ID's... the ultimate disruption. Fiberator seems to always be in the middle of it. Your ID and your IP address and any address near it should be banned, dipshit. ----- GrandIsland posted on 2012-10-02 12:51:09 ET

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-05   23:23:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: GrandIsland, Deckard, tpaine (#52)

Because contrary to your opinions... neither of you are that important... even tho you all act as though you all are the most important people you know. A liberal trait.

Are you familiar with the concept of a "paradigm shift?"

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-05   23:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: tpaine (#53)

GrandIsland posted on 2012-10-02 12:51:09 ET

I never poster here in 2012.

More YELLA propaganda. Anything to sell your snake oil.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   23:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: GrandIsland (#49)

And I'll admit, --- many of my posts are disruptive type comments towards you, gatlin and misterwhite while you three are making disruptive attacks on our constitutional principles.

And that's why I see you as an AGENDA poster. It's never been good enough to kindly disagree...

How silly that you should want me to 'kindly disagree' with three disruptive anti- constitutionalists.

... you've gotta indoctrinate the only topic you post about.

I've posted a hell of a lot of articles on many topics. -- You notice my articles on our constitution because you don't like them.

So... why would I want to tell you 1,000 times that I disagree with your ideology. It gets old.

Our constitution, and the fact that to you, it's an 'ideology', never gets old.

Preach to your own audience. They'll love you for it... but you'd rather disrupt the site.

It's amusing that a disruptor like you is so mealey mouthed. Carry on...

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-05   23:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: tpaine (#56)

I've enabled you two to shit on Stones site long enough. I'll go about ignoring you both again... and I'll let the agenda posters disrupt the site all by themselves.

Carry on.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   23:42:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: GrandIsland (#55)

So you posted that 'paultard' comment at LP? -- Big difference, -- if your a silly nitpicker..

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-05   23:48:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: GrandIsland, Y'ALL (#57)

I'll go about ignoring you both again...

"You can run,but you can't hide."

Who said that?

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-05   23:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: GrandIsland (#57)

and I'll let the agenda posters disrupt the site all by themselves.

Carry on.

Oh, the irony.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-06-05   23:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Gatlin, misterwhite, GrandIsland, hondo68, Operation 40, tpaine, Orwellian Nightmare, Fred Mertzx (#57)

I've enabled you two to shit on Stones site long enough....

Irony there, jackboot?

You and the canary clowns have run roughshod over this site ever since LP closed down.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-06   0:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Gatlin (#32)

You ought to be happy, thanks to you I am limited to 10 posts per day, 200 characters.

The only way you will ever win a debate, silence your critics.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-06   0:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: buckeroo (#30) (Edited)

Well, tater has shown his true colours on LF by aligning himself with a publickally self-confessed queer, yukon.

Apparently Mod X is a Gatlin sycophant.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-06   0:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Deckard (#63)

He is just a better troll than you.

You get way too emotional.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-06-06   1:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Dead Culture Watch (#64)

Never thought of myself as a troll. Gatlin is one of those pompous, arrogant know it all clowns with an obsessive authority fetish.

Those folks piss me off.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-06   1:06:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Deckard (#0)

Land of the Unfree – Police and Prosecutors Fight Aggressively to Retain Barbaric Right of “Civil Asset Forfeiture”

Civil Asset Forfeiture is too often legal jargon relabeling crude theft with an impressive legal- sounding name and groveling before the same thieves that enabled it for legal redress. In such instances it should be corrected with a death sentence.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-06   2:33:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: tpaine (#59)

"You can run,but you can't hide."

Who said that?

Originally, I believe it was Marine Sniper Carlos Hathcock.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-06   2:38:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Deckard (#65)

You are letting emotion without reason drive you until you lose control and react in a sporadic manner absent of normal common civility.

You need to simply stop allowing your childish instinctual responses to take over to start as a fleeting annoyance and then develop into a full-fledge rage.

You can't get rid of, or avoid, the things or the people that enrage you, nor can you change them, but you can learn to control your reactions.

If you feel that your anger is really out of control, you might consider counseling to learn how to handle it better.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-06   4:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Deckard, GrandIsland (#61)

I've enabled you two to shit on Stones site long enough....
Irony there, jackboot?
You and the canary clowns have run roughshod over this site ever since LP closed down.

Your perception here is not reality. Stone and the Mods will never allow anyone to run roughshod over LF. Civility is part of Stone’s unwritten but often demonstrated code of conduct and a strong pillar of his well-run forum. Stone runs a good forum, stop abusing his hospitality. We are all guests here and there is a common standard of civility that everyone needs to follow. You can be forceful in your exchanges, but you need to treat others with consideration and respect. You can maintain a pleasant environment on the forum if you start behaving politely, calmly and reasonable….even during heated debates.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-06   5:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Deckard (#62)

You ought to be happy, thanks to you I am limited to 10 posts per day, 200 characters.
The only way you will ever win a debate, silence your critics.

Au contraire. I did nothing to you. You must realize that you cannot place the blame on others for the choices you make. Taking responsibility is acknowledging and accepting the choices you have made, the actions you have taken, and the results they have led to. Take responsibility for your actions.

I will be happy when you start displaying a respectful behavior by avoiding personal attacks, slurs and especially profanity in your interactions. Start treating others with civility and respect. You need to stop using LF as your own personal soapbox. There are many other people in the LF community. You post the same or closely similar topic in rapid succession in an attempt to monopolize the dialogue and overpower everyone to subscribe to your personal agenda.

But that is not the problem, that is a consequence of the problem. You have become a belligerent attacker who is not interested in acting civil, all you want to do is win at any cost by beating others into submission. Dominance is your driving force.

You have been afforded time to reflect. Use the time wisely to consider what isn’t working and what you can do right. When you reflect on every aspect of your posting content and techniques, then you can develop a corrective habit that will enable you to continuously improve your life and the way you treat others.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-06   5:43:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Gatlin (#68)

You can't get rid of, or avoid, the things or the people that enrage you, nor can you change them, but you can learn to control your reactions.

If you feel that your anger is really out of control, you might consider counseling to learn how to handle it better.

Amazing. Watching you lecture the forum on proper behaviour is like Donald Trump giving lessons on how to be humble, or watching Obama explain the importance of always telling the truth.

You are an extraordinary piece of work.

Operation 40  posted on  2015-06-06   6:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Operation 40 (#71) (Edited)

It's not unreasonable to expect extraordinary work from someone who has the trusted ability to create it.

I do my best. That my best goes beyond what is usual, regular or established….is a normal course of events for me.

If only Donald Trump or Obama had asked me for guidance, they…

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-06   6:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Operation 40, Gatlin (#71)

I have a funny feeling he's about to end up getting his posting privileges curtailed cause he doesn't know how to act like an adult!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-06   7:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Moderator X, Deckard, Gatlin, Pericles (#29)

I'm surprised that you didn't offer the motorcycle cop a blowjob.

:(

Are you upset cause Deckard mentioned it or that Gatlin didn't offer to do it?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-06   7:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Gatlin (#70)

You ought to be happy, thanks to you I am limited to 10 posts per day, 2

Like most incarcerated criminals or the very liberal millennium generation of today, he blames others for his crimes or misfortunes.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-06   8:07:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: A Pole (#27)

"So what about $1000 or $2000? Can they take it?"

So you still insist that cops are walking up to random citizens, asking where the $1000 or $2000 in their pockets came from, then stealing it.

Your ignorance about civil asset forfeiture is astounding.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-06   8:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: misterwhite (#76) (Edited)

So you still insist that cops are walking up to random citizens, asking where the $1000 or $2000 in their pockets came from, then stealing it.

If that were the case, I'd have retired 15 years ago AND bought my own political talk forum

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-06   9:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: GrandIsland (#75)

He let his hatred completely take over and become uncontrolled anger..

Old Buddha said that:

Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-06   9:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Gatlin (#78)

It's best not to discuss it or bring attention to it. Disruption happened, it was handled and now it's over... time to move on and use this forum for what it's intended to be used for.

I'll be landscaping in my back yard all day. Be on and off. I just finished installing a 16X18 brick patio with a 50 foot walkway. Time to repair the grass around it, and start another small stone patio project that my BBQ grill will sit on.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-06   9:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Fred Mertz, Dead Culture Watch, misterwhite, GrandIsland, Operation 40, tpaine, Orwellian Nightmare, Fred Mertzx, CT k0oKz (#60)

I'll let the agenda posters disrupt the site all by themselves.

GI and Gatlin have quite the conspiracy theory going. Everyone else is an "agenda poster". What they're saying in essence is that they're "Ready for Hillary"!

"A vast right wing conspiracy" ~Hillary Rodham Clinton


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-06-06   9:43:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: hondo68 (#80) (Edited)

Everyone else is an "agenda poster".

Nowhere have I even insinuated such garbage. Just because you, another AGENDA poster, knows you qualify for the title, you spin my words into a YELLA maze of Deckard like propaganda.

There are many posters here that post for discussion... not to sell their agenda. If you use all the brain cells you've got, you can distinguish between the two. I'll give you a hint... anyone that is offended by the term "agenda poster"... IS PROBABLY ONE. lol

You and your peers out yourselves.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-06   9:52:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: misterwhite (#76)

random citizens, asking where the $1000 or $2000 in their pockets

No need. It is enough to tell car dealer on phone or email that you will bring cash. Let this $20K be a surprise for him.

A Pole  posted on  2015-06-06   9:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: hondo68 (#80)

GI and Gatlin have quite the conspiracy theory going. Everyone else is an "agenda poster".

They singled out Deckard and tp. Not "everyone else".

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-06   9:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: A Pole (#82)

No need. It is enough to tell car dealer on phone or email that you will bring cash. Let this $20K be a surprise for him.

Right. You're in Baltimore and you tell a "car dealer" in Miami that you're bringing $20,000 cash in small bills to buy a "car".

When pulled over for speeding in your rental car, you forget the Miami "car dealer's" name and claim that the $20,000 was collected from "friends". And you can't remember their names either.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-06   10:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Deckard, A K A Stone (#62)

You ought to be happy, thanks to you I am limited to 10 posts per day, 200 characters.

What's up with that? Seems unfair at least in my eyes.

C'mon Pebbles, lighten up.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-06-06   10:38:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: misterwhite (#84)

Right. You're in Baltimore and you tell a "car dealer" in Miami that you're bringing $20,000 cash in small bills to buy a "car".

When pulled over for speeding in your rental car, you forget the Miami "car dealer's" name and claim that the $20,000 was collected from "friends". And you can't remember their names either.

They don't post responses towards right or wrong ideology... they've turned into just defending almost all criminal activity. Anarchy.

They know it's wrong and they know the assets seized were obtained through illegal activity... they don't care. It's useless discuss it. Plain and simple.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-06   10:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: GrandIsland, misterwhite (#86)

They know it's wrong and they know the assets seized were obtained through illegal activity...

If these assets were obtained through illegal activity how come there were no charges, no trial and no convictions for this illegal activity?

Why do you want criminals to go free? Explain please! To get money from them?

A Pole  posted on  2015-06-06   11:47:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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