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Title: Land of the Unfree – Police and Prosecutors Fight Aggressively to Retain Barbaric Right of “Civil Asset Forfeiture”
Source: Liberty Blitzkrieg
URL Source: http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/0 ... ght-of-civil-asset-forfeiture/
Published: Jun 4, 2015
Author: Michael Krieger
Post Date: 2015-06-05 10:21:58 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 39125
Comments: 215

Efforts to limit seizures of money, homes and other property from people who may never be convicted of a crime are stalling out amid a wave of pressure from prosecutors and police.

Their effort, at least at the state level, appears to be working. At least a dozen states considered bills restricting or even abolishing forfeiture that isn’t accompanied by a conviction or gives law enforcement less control over forfeited proceeds. But most measures failed to pass.

– From the Wall Street Journal article: Efforts to Curb Asset Seizures by Law Enforcement Hit Headwinds

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The fact that civil asset forfeiture continues to exist across the American landscape despite outrage and considerable media attention, is as good an example as any as to how far fallen and uncivilized our so-called “society” has become. It also proves the point demonstrated in a Princeton University study that the U.S. is not a democracy, and the desires of the people have no impact on how the country is governed.

Civil asset forfeiture was first highlighted on these pages in the 2013 post, Why You Should Never, Ever Drive Through Tenaha, Texas, in which I explained:

In a nutshell, civil forfeiture is the practice of confiscating items from people, ranging from cash, cars, even homes based on no criminal conviction or charges, merely suspicion. This practice first became widespread for use against pirates, as a way to take possession of contraband goods despite the fact that the ships’ owners in many cases were located thousands of miles away and couldn’t easily be prosecuted. As is often the case, what starts out reasonable becomes a gigantic organized crime ring of criminality, particularly in a society where the rule of law no longer exists for the “elite,” yet anything goes when it comes to pillaging the average citizen.

One of the major reasons these programs have become so abused is that the police departments themselves are able to keep much of the confiscated money. So they actually have a perverse incentive to steal. As might be expected, a program that is often touted as being effective against going after major drug kingpins, actually targets the poor and disenfranchised more than anything else.

Civil asset forfeiture is state-sanctioned theft. There is no other way around it. The entire concept violates the spirit of the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments to the Constitution. In case you have any doubt:

The 4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The 5th Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The 6th Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Civil asset forfeiture is a civil rights issue, and it should be seen as such by everyone. Just because it targets the entire population as opposed to a specific race, gender or sexual orientation doesn’t make it less important.

The problem with opposition in America today is that people aren’t seeing modern battle lines clearly. The greatest friction and abuse occurring in these United States today comes from the corporate-fascist state’s attack against average citizens. It doesn’t matter what color or gender you are. If you are weak, poor and vulnerable you are ripe for the picking. Until people see the battle lines clearly, it will be very difficult to achieve real change. Most people are divided and conquered along their superficial little tribal affiliations, and they completely miss the bigger picture to the peril of society. Which is why women will support Hillary just because she’s a woman, not caring in the least that she is a compromised, corrupt oligarch stooge.

In case you have any doubt about how little your opinion matters when it comes to the rights of police to rob you blind, read the following excerpts from the Wall Street Journal:

Efforts to limit seizures of money, homes and other property from people who may never be convicted of a crime are stalling out amid a wave of pressure from prosecutors and police.

Read that sentence over and over again until you get it. This is a free country?

Critics have taken aim at the confiscatory powers over concerns that authorities have too much latitude and often too strong a financial incentive when deciding whether to seize property suspected of being tied to criminal activity.

But after New Mexico passed a law this spring hailed by civil-liberties groups as a breakthrough in their effort to rein in states’ forfeiture programs, prosecutor and police associations stepped up their own lobbying campaign, warning legislators that passing such laws would deprive them of a potent crime-fighting tool and rip a hole in law-enforcement budgets.

Their effort, at least at the state level, appears to be working. At least a dozen states considered bills restricting or even abolishing forfeiture that isn’t accompanied by a conviction or gives law enforcement less control over forfeited proceeds. But most measures failed to pass.

“What happened in those states is a testament to the power of the law-enforcement lobby,” said Scott Bullock, a senior attorney at the Institute for Justice, a libertarian-leaning advocacy group that has led a push for laws giving property owners more protections. 

It seems the only people in America without a powerful lobby group are actual American citizens. See: Charting the American Oligarchy – How 0.01% of the Population Contributes 42% of All Campaign Cash

Prosecutors say forfeiture laws help ensure that drug traffickers, white-collar thieves and other wrongdoers can’t enjoy the fruits of their misdeeds and help curb crime by depriving criminals of the “tools” of their trade. Under federal law and in many states, a conviction isn’t required.

“White-collar thieves,” they say. Yet I haven’t seen a single bank executive’s assets confiscated. Rather, they received taxpayer bailout funds with which to pay themselves record bonuses after wrecking the global economy. Don’t forget:

The U.S. Department of Justice Handles Banker Criminals Like Juvenile Offenders…Literally

In Texas, lawmakers introduced more than a dozen bills addressing forfeiture during this year’s legislative session, which ended Monday. Some would either force the government to meet a higher burden of proof or subject forfeiture programs to more stringent financial disclosure rules and audits. 

But only one bill, which law-enforcement officials didn’t object to, ultimately passed. It requires the state attorney general to publish an annual report of forfeited funds based on data submitted by local authorities. That information, at the moment, is only accessible through freedom-of-information requests.

This is what a corporate-statist oligarchy looks like.

Shannon Edmonds, a lobbyist for the Texas District and County Attorneys Association, said local enforcement officers and prosecutors “educated their legislators about how asset forfeiture really works in Texas.”

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan last month vetoed a bill that would, among other things, prohibit the state from turning over seized property to the federal government unless the owner has been charged with a federal crime or gives consent.

Remember, the terrorists hate us for our freedom.

Prosecutors said the Tenaha episode was an isolated breakdown in the system. “Everybody knows there are bad eggs out there,” Karen Morris, who supervises the Harris County district attorney’s forfeiture unit, told Texas lawmakers at a hearing this spring. “But we don’t stop prosecuting people for murder just because some district attorneys have made mistakes.”

When police aren’t out there stealing your hard earned assets without a trial or charges, they can often be found pounding on citizens for kicks. I came across the following three headlines this morning alone as I was the scanning news.

Cop Exonerated After Being Caught on Video Brutally Beating A Tourist Who Asked For A Tampon

Kids in Police-Run Youth Camp Allegedly Beaten, Threatened By Cops

Florida Cop Charged With On-Duty Child Abuse; Suspended With Pay

This is not what freedom looks like.

For related articles, see:

The DEA Strikes Again – Agents Seize Man’s Life Savings Under Civil Asset Forfeiture Without Charges

Asset Forfeiture – How Cops Continue to Steal Americans’ Hard Earned Cash with Zero Repercussions

Quote of the Day – An Incredible Statement from the City Attorney of Las Cruces, New Mexico

“Common People Do Not Carry This Much U.S. Currency…” – This is How Police Justify Stealing American Citizens’ Money

In Liberty, Michael Krieger

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#13. To: A Pole (#7)

"Empty your pockets! Where did you get this 100 bucks?"

OK. Now I understand why you're so upset about civil asset forfeiture.

You think cops are walking up to random citizens, asking where the money in their pockets came from, then stealing it.

If you think that, then you have every right to be upset. Write your Congressman, tell him what you told me, and say, "No more of this!"

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-05   14:31:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deckard (#10)

"Kinda tough when the very criminals who involve themselves in highway robbery are doing whatever they can to keep their cash cow alive."

Well, they're not going to do without. If we stop seizing the money from criminals, the local taxing authorities will simply raise property taxes an equal amount.

Write your representative. Tell him to raise your taxes rather than taking the money from criminals. You have principles, dammit!

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-05   14:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Stoner (#4)

"So, if LE comes across a citizen that has cash on them, and the LE takes it, but never charges the citizen, are you OK with that?"

Refer to my post #13.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-05   14:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Deckard (#0)

The cops confiscate your 12 pack on the porch again?

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-05   14:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: misterwhite (#15)

" So, if LE comes across a citizen that has cash on them, and the LE takes it, but never charges the citizen, are you OK with that?"

Refer to my post #13. "

What I thought. You are OK with theft by govt.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-06-05   14:49:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Stoner (#17)

"What I thought. You are OK with theft by govt."

Write your representative and tell him you don't want cops coming up to citizens with cash and taking it.

I'm sure he'll get right on that.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-05   14:55:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: redleghunter (#16)

"The cops confiscate your 12 pack on the porch again?"

Yeah. Deckard couldn't remember how it got there. Or how he paid for it. Or if he paid for it.

But he does know he's got rights.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-05   14:57:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: redleghunter (#16)

Funny, although rather pathetic in a way.

I'll just add you to the list of those who support the arbitrary theft of cash from citizens simply because "they're cops and they can".

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-05   15:00:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Deckard (#20)

LOL it was supposed to be funny.

On a serious note...all these small town or small city cops need is a good old dose of a New York 'ambulance chaser' lawyer to set things right.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-05   15:38:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deckard, Moderator X (#12)

Your "Gatlin prostrates himself before a cop" story on the other thread was sickening,
I'm surprised that you didn't offer the motorcycle cop a blowjob.

Rather than carrying on an intelligent discussion….you must resort to this?

A obscene remark does nothing to inspire a serious debate.

And you have the audacity to call yourself a Christian….SHAME ON YOU!

Moderator X: "Your comment is not conductive (sic) to civil discussion.”
      http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=39629&Disp=44#C44.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-05   15:39:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Gatlin (#22)

A obscene remark does nothing to inspire a serious debate.

When have you ever been interested in a "serious debate" leather-boy canary clown?

You deserve nothing but scorn and ridicule.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-05   15:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Deckard (#23)

You deserve nothing but scorn and ridicule.
You may of course continue to do that, since that obviously is all you can do.

In the meantime I will continue to intelligently rebut your yellow journalism articles.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-05   16:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Gatlin (#24)

since that obviously is all you can do.

Obviously not - you embody all that is wrong with America - your unabashed fealty to the police state and cult like worship of cops is enough to make liberty-loving Americans spit on you and the rest of your repulsive ilk.

Crouch down and lick the boots of those who enslave you Gatslime.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-05   17:07:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Deckard (#25)

When all you can do, as you have done in your last posts, is resort to personal attacks....you LOSE.

I will only respond to those posts from you in the future that contain an intelligent dialogue.

If you want to gutter-talk, then post to tpaine.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-05   18:01:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: misterwhite (#13)

So what about $1000 or $2000? Can they take it?

A Pole  posted on  2015-06-05   21:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#26)

If you want to gutter-talk, then post to tpaine

You're what? -- Accusing me of talking 'gutter talk'?

You really do need help with your increasing slide into dementia, poor fella.

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-05   21:25:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Deckard (#12)

I'm surprised that you didn't offer the motorcycle cop a blowjob.

:(

Moderator X  posted on  2015-06-05   21:31:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Moderator X, Deckard, Gatlin (#29)

:(

Well, tater has shown his true colours on LF by aligning himself with a publickally self-confessed queer, yukon.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-05   21:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Moderator X (#29)

Gatlin (#26) ---- If you want to gutter-talk, then post to tpaine

Unwarranted trolling?

:(

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-05   21:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Moderator X (#29) (Edited)

I'm surprised that you didn't offer the motorcycle cop a blowjob.

:(

I agree, it is a comment to be frowned upon.

I am glad you show disapproval.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-05   21:49:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Gatlin (#32)

I am glad you show disapproval.

There is plenty of hope for this site... since not one non cop hater here calls names or attacks, and the site owner and moderators I'm sure notice who's DISTRUCTIVE and the true reason normal thinking potential posters will stay clear.

It's pretty sad... but the agenda posters aren't here for discussion. They are here to indoctrinate... and they use Stone to do it. If Stone were to ban them, they'd come right back and treat this site like they do their country... no rules and total anarchy.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   22:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: misterwhite (#13)

You think cops are walking up to random citizens, asking where the money in their pockets came from, then stealing it.

That's what Deckard would like to indoctrinate into the minds of anyone he can get to read his propaganda.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   22:13:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: GrandIsland (#33)

There is plenty of hope for this site... since not one non cop hater here calls names or attacks, and the site owner and moderators I'm sure notice who's DISTRUCTIVE [sic] and the true reason normal thinking potential posters will stay clear.

What is your reason for posting on an obscure website GI? To tell us that you are a slap-happy lap dawg for government while you collect a stipend for a twenty year "career" about eating donuts and slurping koffee when the kids you were supposed to walk across the school crossguards on a publick street performed the maejiick themselves?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-05   22:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: GrandIsland (#33)

I am glad you show disapproval.

There is plenty of hope for this site... since not one non cop hater here calls names or attacks, and the site owner and moderators I'm sure notice who's DISTRUCTIVE and the true reason normal thinking potential posters will stay clear.

It's pretty sad... but the agenda posters aren't here for discussion. They are here to indoctrinate... and they use Stone to do it. If Stone were to ban them, they'd come right back and treat this site like they do their country... no rules and total anarchy.

I am glad to see Stone and the Mods strive to make this forum an island of civilized behavior and discourse. This is refreshing in the morass of barbarity that is found on some other internet forums.

It is not difficult to post with respect, understanding, tolerance of difference and sometimes show a sense of humor.

There should be no insults or name-calling and each poster should address fellow posters with respect, or don’t post.

If someone is angry about something and cannot restrain from imprecation, they should step away from the keyboard and go do something else for a while – anything but post.

There is continuing hope for this site. Stone and the Mods are to be complimented.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-05   22:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: buckeroo (#35)

You are the biggest offender of trashing this site up. You don't post a single thing worth while... and most of your posts are disruptive type attacks towards others having a discussion. Deckard is number 2... and let's be honest. If Stone were to ban you, you'd make another ID and treat Stones site like you treat your community... you'll do whatever you like with no rules, laws or limitations for you to live by... because the definition of freedom and liberty in your mind is having more of it than anyone else.

There's a reason why I don't post to you and the other forum criminals... because I refuse to help you trash this site under your anarchist type lifestyle.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   22:28:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Gatlin (#36)

I am glad to see Stone and the Mods strive to make this forum an island of civilized behavior and discourse. This is refreshing in the morass of barbarity that is found on some other internet forums.

Blah, blah blah... you and "yukon" have sucked the life out of these little web channels.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-05   22:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: GrandIsland (#37)

Exactly.

I am just a poster without 50,000 primers locked-upped in the home basement collecting mold unlike retired cops whom believe in government.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-05   22:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: GrandIsland (#37) (Edited)

There's a reason why I don't post to you and the other forum criminals... because I refuse to help you trash this site under your anarchist type lifestyle.

I got tired of accidentally running across their posts, so I placed a couple on bozo. Bozo works great and serves the purpose well. I just smile when I seen some missing numbers on a thread.

Edit: I just broke out in a big smile, I noticed #38 and #39 absent when I posted this.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-05   22:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: buckeroo (#38)

Blah, blah blah... you and "yukon" have sucked the life out of these little web channels.

Yukon hasn't posted here is some time now... and you're still dropping your pants and shitting on Stones leg.

Your conduct can't be sugar coated or YELLA'd. You bring to the table zero... and you take from the table everything.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   22:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: GrandIsland, gatlin, misterwhite, Y'ALL (#33)

-- not one non cop hater here calls names or attacks,

You've GOT to be kidding... Calling people here 'paultards', or attacking anyone that disagrees with y'alls version of cop/citizen events is to be seen as acceptable behavior?

--- and the site owner and moderators I'm sure notice who's DISTRUCTIVE and the true reason normal thinking potential posters will stay clear. -- It's pretty sad... but the agenda posters aren't here for discussion.

There you go again, calling names by inferring I and others are 'agenda posters'. If defending our constitution and our republic makes me one, so be it.

They are here to indoctrinate...

Most of us are here to discuss issues. The worst 'agenda' poster here is misterwhite, imho, -- but he, and you, and gatlin, are getting quite a rep for refusing to discuss issues, while hiding behind your bozos.

-- and they use Stone to do it. If Stone were to ban them, they'd come right back and treat this site like they do their country... no rules and total anarchy.

You took good lessons from JR at some point, aye? -- Calm down, Stone can handle this site without help from you three.

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-05   22:43:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: tpaine (#42)

You are number 3

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   22:46:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: GrandIsland (#41)

Your conduct can't be sugar coated or YELLA'd. You bring to the table zero... and you take from the table everything.

If I swear to collect a mere government, twenty year stipend of and about doing nothing for society such as yourself, would you like me?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-05   22:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: tpaine (#42)

1) Calling people here 'paultards

2) There you go again, calling names by inferring I and others are 'agenda posters'.

3) Most of us are here to discuss issues.

4) You took good lessons from JR at some point, aye?

Every part of your post is disingenuous.

1) cut and paste one time on this site I called anyone that.

2) Insinuating that someone is an agenda poster is not name calling. If the shoe fits, wear it. You could post about a whole bunch of topics. You don't. OutDamnedSpot is probably the most well rounded poster here. You don't even hold a candle to her or others.

3) Only if we agree with you do you "discuss". Let's be real.

4) I took nothing from Jr. He and his site are inconsequential. Who gives a shit about FR?

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   22:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: buckeroo (#44)

If I swear to collect a mere government, twenty year stipend of and about doing nothing for society such as yourself, would you like me?

Who says I hate you? I don't know you personally. I'd interact with you if you grew up... start there.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   23:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: GrandIsland, gatlin, misterwhite, Y'ALL (#43)

buckeroo, You are the biggest offender of trashing this site up. You don't post a single thing worth while... and most of your posts are disruptive type attacks towards others having a discussion. Deckard is number 2..

tpaine You are number 3

I'll match my record here of posting 'worth while' articles against yours any time ..

And I'll admit, --- many of my posts are disruptive type comments towards you, gatlin and misterwhite while you three are making disruptive attacks on our constitutional principles.

And they'll continue, as long as you three refuse to discuss such issues.

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-05   23:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: GrandIsland (#46)

Who says I hate you? I don't know you personally. I'd interact with you if you grew up... start there.

Oh ... Man 'O Man ... if you don't understand the utter disgust I have for publick servants, there is no need for this dialogue.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-05   23:06:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: tpaine (#47) (Edited)

And I'll admit, --- many of my posts are disruptive type comments towards you, gatlin and misterwhite while you three are making disruptive attacks on our constitutional principles.

And they'll continue, as long as you three refuse to discuss such issues.

And that's why I see you as an AGENDA poster. It's never been good enough to kindly disagree... you've gotta indoctrinate the only topic you post about.

So... why would I want to tell you 1,000 times that I disagree with your ideology. It gets old. Preach to your own audience. They'll love you for it... but you'd rather disrupt the site.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   23:10:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: buckeroo (#48)

Oh ... Man 'O Man ... if you don't understand the utter disgust I have for publick servants, there is no need for this dialogue.

Then ignore me or anyone you have disgust for and stop shitting on Stones leg. This site isn't all about you, Deckard and Tpaine.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   23:12:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: GrandIsland, Deckard, tpaine, AKA Stone (#50)

Then ignore me or anyone you have disgust for and stop shitting on Stones leg.

I won't edit or confine any posts to your personal liking.

This site isn't all about you, Deckard and Tpaine.

How do you really know?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-05   23:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: buckeroo (#51) (Edited)

This site isn't all about you, Deckard and

How do you really know?

Because contrary to your opinions... neither of you are that important... even tho you all act as though you all are the most important people you know. A liberal trait.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   23:21:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: GrandIsland (#45)

1) Calling people here 'paultards ----

Every part of your post is disingenuous. ---- 1) cut and paste one time on this site I called anyone that.

Here's the result of a very fast Google search: ----

Say what you will, but it's only PAULTARDs that create threads like this and hack ID's... the ultimate disruption. Fiberator seems to always be in the middle of it. Your ID and your IP address and any address near it should be banned, dipshit. ----- GrandIsland posted on 2012-10-02 12:51:09 ET

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-05   23:23:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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