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Title: Land of the Unfree – Police and Prosecutors Fight Aggressively to Retain Barbaric Right of “Civil Asset Forfeiture”
Source: Liberty Blitzkrieg
URL Source: http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/0 ... ght-of-civil-asset-forfeiture/
Published: Jun 4, 2015
Author: Michael Krieger
Post Date: 2015-06-05 10:21:58 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 39244
Comments: 215

Efforts to limit seizures of money, homes and other property from people who may never be convicted of a crime are stalling out amid a wave of pressure from prosecutors and police.

Their effort, at least at the state level, appears to be working. At least a dozen states considered bills restricting or even abolishing forfeiture that isn’t accompanied by a conviction or gives law enforcement less control over forfeited proceeds. But most measures failed to pass.

– From the Wall Street Journal article: Efforts to Curb Asset Seizures by Law Enforcement Hit Headwinds

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The fact that civil asset forfeiture continues to exist across the American landscape despite outrage and considerable media attention, is as good an example as any as to how far fallen and uncivilized our so-called “society” has become. It also proves the point demonstrated in a Princeton University study that the U.S. is not a democracy, and the desires of the people have no impact on how the country is governed.

Civil asset forfeiture was first highlighted on these pages in the 2013 post, Why You Should Never, Ever Drive Through Tenaha, Texas, in which I explained:

In a nutshell, civil forfeiture is the practice of confiscating items from people, ranging from cash, cars, even homes based on no criminal conviction or charges, merely suspicion. This practice first became widespread for use against pirates, as a way to take possession of contraband goods despite the fact that the ships’ owners in many cases were located thousands of miles away and couldn’t easily be prosecuted. As is often the case, what starts out reasonable becomes a gigantic organized crime ring of criminality, particularly in a society where the rule of law no longer exists for the “elite,” yet anything goes when it comes to pillaging the average citizen.

One of the major reasons these programs have become so abused is that the police departments themselves are able to keep much of the confiscated money. So they actually have a perverse incentive to steal. As might be expected, a program that is often touted as being effective against going after major drug kingpins, actually targets the poor and disenfranchised more than anything else.

Civil asset forfeiture is state-sanctioned theft. There is no other way around it. The entire concept violates the spirit of the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments to the Constitution. In case you have any doubt:

The 4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The 5th Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The 6th Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Civil asset forfeiture is a civil rights issue, and it should be seen as such by everyone. Just because it targets the entire population as opposed to a specific race, gender or sexual orientation doesn’t make it less important.

The problem with opposition in America today is that people aren’t seeing modern battle lines clearly. The greatest friction and abuse occurring in these United States today comes from the corporate-fascist state’s attack against average citizens. It doesn’t matter what color or gender you are. If you are weak, poor and vulnerable you are ripe for the picking. Until people see the battle lines clearly, it will be very difficult to achieve real change. Most people are divided and conquered along their superficial little tribal affiliations, and they completely miss the bigger picture to the peril of society. Which is why women will support Hillary just because she’s a woman, not caring in the least that she is a compromised, corrupt oligarch stooge.

In case you have any doubt about how little your opinion matters when it comes to the rights of police to rob you blind, read the following excerpts from the Wall Street Journal:

Efforts to limit seizures of money, homes and other property from people who may never be convicted of a crime are stalling out amid a wave of pressure from prosecutors and police.

Read that sentence over and over again until you get it. This is a free country?

Critics have taken aim at the confiscatory powers over concerns that authorities have too much latitude and often too strong a financial incentive when deciding whether to seize property suspected of being tied to criminal activity.

But after New Mexico passed a law this spring hailed by civil-liberties groups as a breakthrough in their effort to rein in states’ forfeiture programs, prosecutor and police associations stepped up their own lobbying campaign, warning legislators that passing such laws would deprive them of a potent crime-fighting tool and rip a hole in law-enforcement budgets.

Their effort, at least at the state level, appears to be working. At least a dozen states considered bills restricting or even abolishing forfeiture that isn’t accompanied by a conviction or gives law enforcement less control over forfeited proceeds. But most measures failed to pass.

“What happened in those states is a testament to the power of the law-enforcement lobby,” said Scott Bullock, a senior attorney at the Institute for Justice, a libertarian-leaning advocacy group that has led a push for laws giving property owners more protections. 

It seems the only people in America without a powerful lobby group are actual American citizens. See: Charting the American Oligarchy – How 0.01% of the Population Contributes 42% of All Campaign Cash

Prosecutors say forfeiture laws help ensure that drug traffickers, white-collar thieves and other wrongdoers can’t enjoy the fruits of their misdeeds and help curb crime by depriving criminals of the “tools” of their trade. Under federal law and in many states, a conviction isn’t required.

“White-collar thieves,” they say. Yet I haven’t seen a single bank executive’s assets confiscated. Rather, they received taxpayer bailout funds with which to pay themselves record bonuses after wrecking the global economy. Don’t forget:

The U.S. Department of Justice Handles Banker Criminals Like Juvenile Offenders…Literally

In Texas, lawmakers introduced more than a dozen bills addressing forfeiture during this year’s legislative session, which ended Monday. Some would either force the government to meet a higher burden of proof or subject forfeiture programs to more stringent financial disclosure rules and audits. 

But only one bill, which law-enforcement officials didn’t object to, ultimately passed. It requires the state attorney general to publish an annual report of forfeited funds based on data submitted by local authorities. That information, at the moment, is only accessible through freedom-of-information requests.

This is what a corporate-statist oligarchy looks like.

Shannon Edmonds, a lobbyist for the Texas District and County Attorneys Association, said local enforcement officers and prosecutors “educated their legislators about how asset forfeiture really works in Texas.”

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan last month vetoed a bill that would, among other things, prohibit the state from turning over seized property to the federal government unless the owner has been charged with a federal crime or gives consent.

Remember, the terrorists hate us for our freedom.

Prosecutors said the Tenaha episode was an isolated breakdown in the system. “Everybody knows there are bad eggs out there,” Karen Morris, who supervises the Harris County district attorney’s forfeiture unit, told Texas lawmakers at a hearing this spring. “But we don’t stop prosecuting people for murder just because some district attorneys have made mistakes.”

When police aren’t out there stealing your hard earned assets without a trial or charges, they can often be found pounding on citizens for kicks. I came across the following three headlines this morning alone as I was the scanning news.

Cop Exonerated After Being Caught on Video Brutally Beating A Tourist Who Asked For A Tampon

Kids in Police-Run Youth Camp Allegedly Beaten, Threatened By Cops

Florida Cop Charged With On-Duty Child Abuse; Suspended With Pay

This is not what freedom looks like.

For related articles, see:

The DEA Strikes Again – Agents Seize Man’s Life Savings Under Civil Asset Forfeiture Without Charges

Asset Forfeiture – How Cops Continue to Steal Americans’ Hard Earned Cash with Zero Repercussions

Quote of the Day – An Incredible Statement from the City Attorney of Las Cruces, New Mexico

“Common People Do Not Carry This Much U.S. Currency…” – This is How Police Justify Stealing American Citizens’ Money

In Liberty, Michael Krieger

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#5. To: Deckard (#0)

A PATHETIC violation by those sworn to uphold the Constitution and serve & protect the people!

patriot wes  posted on  2015-06-05   12:05:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: patriot wes (#5)

A PATHETIC violation by those sworn to uphold the Constitution and serve & protect the people!

Cops have their own Bill of Rights.

The U.S. Constitution they use as toilet paper.

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-05   13:32:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Gatlin, Operation 40 (#9)

you can change the law.

Kinda tough when the very criminals who involve themselves in highway robbery are doing whatever they can to keep their cash cow alive.

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-05   13:35:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deckard (#10)

"Kinda tough when the very criminals who involve themselves in highway robbery are doing whatever they can to keep their cash cow alive."

Well, they're not going to do without. If we stop seizing the money from criminals, the local taxing authorities will simply raise property taxes an equal amount.

Write your representative. Tell him to raise your taxes rather than taking the money from criminals. You have principles, dammit!

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-05   14:35:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: misterwhite (#14)

If we stop seizing the money from criminals, the local taxing authorities will simply raise property taxes an equal amount.

Write your representative. Tell him to raise your taxes rather than taking the money from criminals. You have principles, dammit!

Perhaps if the LEOs were not spending much of their time turning over innocent rocks to find loot they would not even be needed, thus reducing the need for so many of them to exist.

Example: Officer Murphy spends X amount of time making sure citizen's money makes its way to the LE office coffers. Many of his buddies also spend X amount of time collecting LEO "tithes". Adding X amount of time up and multiplying by pay rate, perhaps we can just eliminate a couple of LEOs and not have to worry about the budget they took up.

Better yet, if they really needed to raise the taxes, they would have done it already. The reason there is a debate is because of the shell-game they are playing to keep the imaginary budgetary needs afloat.

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-06-07   0:41:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: TheFireBert (#102)

"Perhaps if the LEOs were not spending much of their time turning over innocent rocks to find loot they would not even be needed"

Is that what you think the cops are doing -- detaining and searching random, innocent civilians in search of loot to seize?

When you post crap like this, you lose credibility. Educate yourself on civil asset forfeiture so you don't look so foolish.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-08   9:39:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: misterwhite (#140)

When you post crap like this, you lose credibility. Educate yourself on civil asset forfeiture so you don't look so foolish.

Maybe with you, but when did I ever have any credibility with you that I would consider worth having? Your statement that smears my opinion will do more damage that my actual opinion.

I do know what civil asset forfeiture, and I do know what could happen if I have money or other items on my person and I am detained, however briefly, by law enforcement. That does not solve the gaping loopholes in the current statutes that say that if they "think" my property was involved in a crime, that I am free to go, but the property is not. If my property was involved in a crime, then the criminals should be arrested. Sure the property should be detained, as long as the criminal is detained right alongside it.

I was carrying $1500 from my bank to my landlord the other day in a vehicle that could be considered "stereotypical" for drug dealers and other unsavory persons in my city. If I were stopped, and the LEO is overcome with a "suspicion", what would give them pause if they see the bank envelope on the passenger seat of the car and decide that it needs to be investigated? Keep in mind that just because someone does not consent to a search does not mean the police "cannot" search. In my situation, if the police "thought" that the cash I had was connected to a crime, real or imaginary, the money would likely be "detained" while I might be free to go. I would have no certainty that the money would be returned, and in some instances there may not be an evidence receipt given to me stating that I even had it (confirmed by my local police department when asked about it - the actual phrase was "[we] don't have to prove anything; you have to prove [we] have your property").

We are not discussing the current ethics of LEOs, we are discussing the possibility and often documented abuse of civil asset forfeiture in the context of statutes that are vaguely written and loosly enforced that just happen to be what police departments are leaning on for financial support.

Would you be outraged if banks insisted on gouging on overdraft fees, even if some of those overdrafts are created from electronic shell games designed to sometime cause overdrafts due to vague funds availability schedules? I know I am, and have been in that situation. Of course the bank reversed the penalties when I pointed out their errors, but just imagine if they maintain that practice because "we rely on those funds" to continue business. Yes, consumers can be careless with their debit cards, but that does not stop banks from taking advantage of that fact.

The reason I speak out about this subject, and many others, is because I have personal experience with some aspect of the subject, or will be affected financial or socially by the subject. I am not just spraying words to fill a text box, or troll a forum. There are more effective ways that my approach for that stuff.

By the way, it would be more helpful for you to actually add positive information to the discussion instead of just attacking what I post and spouting stuff like "educate yourself". But then again, when have I ever seen you do that?

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-06-08   14:28:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: TheFireBert (#147)

"By the way, it would be more helpful for you to actually add positive information to the discussion instead of just attacking what I post and spouting stuff like "educate yourself".

Usually I do. But when someone posts the crap like you did -- implying that cops are detaining and searching random, innocent civilians in search of loot to seize -- I don't feel any obligation "to actually add positive information to the discussion".

"I do know what civil asset forfeiture (is) ..."

I don't think you do. Not when you believe that cops are detaining and searching random, innocent civilians in search of loot to seize.

"If I were stopped, and the LEO is overcome with a "suspicion", what would give them pause if they see the bank envelope on the passenger seat of the car and decide that it needs to be investigated?

Decide how? Toss a coin? Roll dice? What are you talking about?

First, if you were stopped, they need a reason for stopping you. Second, they need probable cause (or your consent) to search your vehicle.

Assuming you gave consent and they found the $1500, what's the problem? The money is in large bills, you have a receipt from your bank for $1500, and you have a bill from your landlord for $1500.

On the other hand, if you're pulled over for weaving, you came out of a high-drug area, your car smells like the inside of a bong, there are empty baggies all over the car, and your $1500 consists of 5's, 10's and 20's, they just might seize that money ... and your car ... until you could explain where the money came from.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-08   16:33:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: misterwhite (#152)

until you could explain where the money came from

Innocent until proven guilty right.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-08   19:26:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: A K A Stone (#156)

"Innocent until proven guilty right."

That's an instruction to a jury in a criminal case.

(By the way, if the individual is innocent, where does the state get the power to arrest and jail that individual? They're innocent! Right?)

This is a civil case, first of all, not a criminal case. Second, the case is against the asset, not the individual. Third, what is so damn hard about coming up with a reasonable explanation? Unless you're a criminal.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-09   9:52:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: misterwhite, A K A Stone (#192)

Second, the case is against the asset...

It's simply absurd to think that an inanimate object (money) can be guilty of a crime.

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-09   9:57:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: Deckard (#193)

"It's simply absurd to think that an inanimate object (money) can be guilty of a crime."

It's that the asset was involved in criminal activity. If so, the asset can be seized.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-09   10:34:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: misterwhite (#200) (Edited)

It's that the asset was involved in criminal activity. If so, the asset can be seized.

That's the point boot-licker.

In many of these cases, there is NO criminal activity involved.

Police Seize $63,530 From Veteran Because He Kept It In Grocery Bags

NYPD Seized an Innocent’s Man Cash, Used It to Pad Their Pensions

Cops Steal $18,000 from a Man, Who Broke NO LAW, Because a Drug Dog Alerted to Cash

Iowa Troopers Steal $100,000 in Poker Winnings From Two Players Driving Through the State

Why are you so dead set against reforming asset forfeiture laws?

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-09   10:37:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: Deckard (#201) (Edited)

I don't have the time nor the inclination to destroy all of your "examples". I'll pick the first one: "Police Seize $63,530 From Veteran Because He Kept It In Grocery Bags"

They seized it only because it was in grocery bags, huh? That's it? He had money in grocery bags so they're taking it.

You and your f**king yellow journalism. I'm getting tired of it.

Brewer was pulled over for a traffic violation. After gaining Brewer’s consent, the officer walked around the car with a canine unit; the dog alerted to the trunk. When he searched the trunk, the officer found two backpacks that had a “strong odor of raw marijuana” and $63,530 in cash. The cash was seized because of the following:

-- The money was kept in plastic grocery bags in a backpack in Brewer’s trunk.

-- The money was bundled into batches of $1,000 that were kept together by rubber bands.

-- Brewer initially told the officer that he did not have enough money to pay for a motel room and that he was sleeping at rest stops. But, when searched, he had $1,000 cash in his pocket.

-- The officer claimed he smelled marijuana on the backpack.

-- Two magazine articles were found in the car. One, "How to Make Wicked Hash" and the other. "How to Make Weed Oil Without Blowing Yourself Up.".

That's called "preponderance of the evidence", and it's enough to seize the cash. I'm surprised they didn't also seize his car. Scumbag drug dealer.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-09   11:09:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: misterwhite (#205)

The officer claimed he smelled marijuana on the backpack.

"claimed"

I'm surprised they didn't also seize his car. Scumbag drug dealer.

There was no evidence he was "dealing drugs".

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-09   11:19:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: Deckard (#206)

"claimed"

Yeah. Claimed. Said. Stated. Swore under oath.

"There was no evidence he was "dealing drugs".

Correct. If there was, HE would have been arrested. See how that works?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-09   11:37:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#209. To: misterwhite (#208) (Edited)

Do this
instead of trying
to reason with him:

You will get
the same results, easier.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-09 11:50:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: misterwhite (#208)

"There was no evidence he was "dealing drugs".

Correct. If there was, HE would have been arrested.

Oh - so he was not arrested for a crime, yet the money is guilty and the cops get to keep it.

Only in a police state does that make sense

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-09 12:47:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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