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Title: Land of the Unfree – Police and Prosecutors Fight Aggressively to Retain Barbaric Right of “Civil Asset Forfeiture”
Source: Liberty Blitzkrieg
URL Source: http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/0 ... ght-of-civil-asset-forfeiture/
Published: Jun 4, 2015
Author: Michael Krieger
Post Date: 2015-06-05 10:21:58 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 39238
Comments: 215

Efforts to limit seizures of money, homes and other property from people who may never be convicted of a crime are stalling out amid a wave of pressure from prosecutors and police.

Their effort, at least at the state level, appears to be working. At least a dozen states considered bills restricting or even abolishing forfeiture that isn’t accompanied by a conviction or gives law enforcement less control over forfeited proceeds. But most measures failed to pass.

– From the Wall Street Journal article: Efforts to Curb Asset Seizures by Law Enforcement Hit Headwinds

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The fact that civil asset forfeiture continues to exist across the American landscape despite outrage and considerable media attention, is as good an example as any as to how far fallen and uncivilized our so-called “society” has become. It also proves the point demonstrated in a Princeton University study that the U.S. is not a democracy, and the desires of the people have no impact on how the country is governed.

Civil asset forfeiture was first highlighted on these pages in the 2013 post, Why You Should Never, Ever Drive Through Tenaha, Texas, in which I explained:

In a nutshell, civil forfeiture is the practice of confiscating items from people, ranging from cash, cars, even homes based on no criminal conviction or charges, merely suspicion. This practice first became widespread for use against pirates, as a way to take possession of contraband goods despite the fact that the ships’ owners in many cases were located thousands of miles away and couldn’t easily be prosecuted. As is often the case, what starts out reasonable becomes a gigantic organized crime ring of criminality, particularly in a society where the rule of law no longer exists for the “elite,” yet anything goes when it comes to pillaging the average citizen.

One of the major reasons these programs have become so abused is that the police departments themselves are able to keep much of the confiscated money. So they actually have a perverse incentive to steal. As might be expected, a program that is often touted as being effective against going after major drug kingpins, actually targets the poor and disenfranchised more than anything else.

Civil asset forfeiture is state-sanctioned theft. There is no other way around it. The entire concept violates the spirit of the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments to the Constitution. In case you have any doubt:

The 4th Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The 5th Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The 6th Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Civil asset forfeiture is a civil rights issue, and it should be seen as such by everyone. Just because it targets the entire population as opposed to a specific race, gender or sexual orientation doesn’t make it less important.

The problem with opposition in America today is that people aren’t seeing modern battle lines clearly. The greatest friction and abuse occurring in these United States today comes from the corporate-fascist state’s attack against average citizens. It doesn’t matter what color or gender you are. If you are weak, poor and vulnerable you are ripe for the picking. Until people see the battle lines clearly, it will be very difficult to achieve real change. Most people are divided and conquered along their superficial little tribal affiliations, and they completely miss the bigger picture to the peril of society. Which is why women will support Hillary just because she’s a woman, not caring in the least that she is a compromised, corrupt oligarch stooge.

In case you have any doubt about how little your opinion matters when it comes to the rights of police to rob you blind, read the following excerpts from the Wall Street Journal:

Efforts to limit seizures of money, homes and other property from people who may never be convicted of a crime are stalling out amid a wave of pressure from prosecutors and police.

Read that sentence over and over again until you get it. This is a free country?

Critics have taken aim at the confiscatory powers over concerns that authorities have too much latitude and often too strong a financial incentive when deciding whether to seize property suspected of being tied to criminal activity.

But after New Mexico passed a law this spring hailed by civil-liberties groups as a breakthrough in their effort to rein in states’ forfeiture programs, prosecutor and police associations stepped up their own lobbying campaign, warning legislators that passing such laws would deprive them of a potent crime-fighting tool and rip a hole in law-enforcement budgets.

Their effort, at least at the state level, appears to be working. At least a dozen states considered bills restricting or even abolishing forfeiture that isn’t accompanied by a conviction or gives law enforcement less control over forfeited proceeds. But most measures failed to pass.

“What happened in those states is a testament to the power of the law-enforcement lobby,” said Scott Bullock, a senior attorney at the Institute for Justice, a libertarian-leaning advocacy group that has led a push for laws giving property owners more protections. 

It seems the only people in America without a powerful lobby group are actual American citizens. See: Charting the American Oligarchy – How 0.01% of the Population Contributes 42% of All Campaign Cash

Prosecutors say forfeiture laws help ensure that drug traffickers, white-collar thieves and other wrongdoers can’t enjoy the fruits of their misdeeds and help curb crime by depriving criminals of the “tools” of their trade. Under federal law and in many states, a conviction isn’t required.

“White-collar thieves,” they say. Yet I haven’t seen a single bank executive’s assets confiscated. Rather, they received taxpayer bailout funds with which to pay themselves record bonuses after wrecking the global economy. Don’t forget:

The U.S. Department of Justice Handles Banker Criminals Like Juvenile Offenders…Literally

In Texas, lawmakers introduced more than a dozen bills addressing forfeiture during this year’s legislative session, which ended Monday. Some would either force the government to meet a higher burden of proof or subject forfeiture programs to more stringent financial disclosure rules and audits. 

But only one bill, which law-enforcement officials didn’t object to, ultimately passed. It requires the state attorney general to publish an annual report of forfeited funds based on data submitted by local authorities. That information, at the moment, is only accessible through freedom-of-information requests.

This is what a corporate-statist oligarchy looks like.

Shannon Edmonds, a lobbyist for the Texas District and County Attorneys Association, said local enforcement officers and prosecutors “educated their legislators about how asset forfeiture really works in Texas.”

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan last month vetoed a bill that would, among other things, prohibit the state from turning over seized property to the federal government unless the owner has been charged with a federal crime or gives consent.

Remember, the terrorists hate us for our freedom.

Prosecutors said the Tenaha episode was an isolated breakdown in the system. “Everybody knows there are bad eggs out there,” Karen Morris, who supervises the Harris County district attorney’s forfeiture unit, told Texas lawmakers at a hearing this spring. “But we don’t stop prosecuting people for murder just because some district attorneys have made mistakes.”

When police aren’t out there stealing your hard earned assets without a trial or charges, they can often be found pounding on citizens for kicks. I came across the following three headlines this morning alone as I was the scanning news.

Cop Exonerated After Being Caught on Video Brutally Beating A Tourist Who Asked For A Tampon

Kids in Police-Run Youth Camp Allegedly Beaten, Threatened By Cops

Florida Cop Charged With On-Duty Child Abuse; Suspended With Pay

This is not what freedom looks like.

For related articles, see:

The DEA Strikes Again – Agents Seize Man’s Life Savings Under Civil Asset Forfeiture Without Charges

Asset Forfeiture – How Cops Continue to Steal Americans’ Hard Earned Cash with Zero Repercussions

Quote of the Day – An Incredible Statement from the City Attorney of Las Cruces, New Mexico

“Common People Do Not Carry This Much U.S. Currency…” – This is How Police Justify Stealing American Citizens’ Money

In Liberty, Michael Krieger

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#5. To: Deckard (#0)

A PATHETIC violation by those sworn to uphold the Constitution and serve & protect the people!

patriot wes  posted on  2015-06-05   12:05:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: patriot wes (#5)

A PATHETIC violation by those sworn to uphold the Constitution and serve & protect the people!

Cops have their own Bill of Rights.

The U.S. Constitution they use as toilet paper.

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-05   13:32:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Gatlin, Operation 40 (#9)

you can change the law.

Kinda tough when the very criminals who involve themselves in highway robbery are doing whatever they can to keep their cash cow alive.

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-05   13:35:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#10)

Kinda tough when

Nothing is too rough for a true fighter, but of course it always is for a candy ass.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-05   13:53:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Gatlin (#11)

Your "Gatlin prostrates himself before a cop" story on the other thread was sickening, I'm surprised that you didn't offer the motorcycle cop a blowjob.

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-05   14:06:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Deckard (#12)

I'm surprised that you didn't offer the motorcycle cop a blowjob.

:(

Moderator X  posted on  2015-06-05   21:31:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Moderator X (#29) (Edited)

I'm surprised that you didn't offer the motorcycle cop a blowjob.

:(

I agree, it is a comment to be frowned upon.

I am glad you show disapproval.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-05   21:49:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Gatlin (#32)

I am glad you show disapproval.

There is plenty of hope for this site... since not one non cop hater here calls names or attacks, and the site owner and moderators I'm sure notice who's DISTRUCTIVE and the true reason normal thinking potential posters will stay clear.

It's pretty sad... but the agenda posters aren't here for discussion. They are here to indoctrinate... and they use Stone to do it. If Stone were to ban them, they'd come right back and treat this site like they do their country... no rules and total anarchy.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   22:09:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: GrandIsland, gatlin, misterwhite, Y'ALL (#33)

-- not one non cop hater here calls names or attacks,

You've GOT to be kidding... Calling people here 'paultards', or attacking anyone that disagrees with y'alls version of cop/citizen events is to be seen as acceptable behavior?

--- and the site owner and moderators I'm sure notice who's DISTRUCTIVE and the true reason normal thinking potential posters will stay clear. -- It's pretty sad... but the agenda posters aren't here for discussion.

There you go again, calling names by inferring I and others are 'agenda posters'. If defending our constitution and our republic makes me one, so be it.

They are here to indoctrinate...

Most of us are here to discuss issues. The worst 'agenda' poster here is misterwhite, imho, -- but he, and you, and gatlin, are getting quite a rep for refusing to discuss issues, while hiding behind your bozos.

-- and they use Stone to do it. If Stone were to ban them, they'd come right back and treat this site like they do their country... no rules and total anarchy.

You took good lessons from JR at some point, aye? -- Calm down, Stone can handle this site without help from you three.

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-05   22:43:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: tpaine (#42)

1) Calling people here 'paultards

2) There you go again, calling names by inferring I and others are 'agenda posters'.

3) Most of us are here to discuss issues.

4) You took good lessons from JR at some point, aye?

Every part of your post is disingenuous.

1) cut and paste one time on this site I called anyone that.

2) Insinuating that someone is an agenda poster is not name calling. If the shoe fits, wear it. You could post about a whole bunch of topics. You don't. OutDamnedSpot is probably the most well rounded poster here. You don't even hold a candle to her or others.

3) Only if we agree with you do you "discuss". Let's be real.

4) I took nothing from Jr. He and his site are inconsequential. Who gives a shit about FR?

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-05   22:59:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: GrandIsland (#45)

Every part of your post is disingenuous.

1) cut and paste one time on this site I called anyone that.

>>>>>1) Calling people here 'paultards

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#21. To: liberator (#0)

The wheelchair Republican, was correct in banning all you trouble making-site disrupters.

Say what you will, but it's only PAULTARDs that create threads like this and hack ID's... the ultimate disruption. Fiberator seems to always be in the middle of it. Your ID and your IP address and any address near it should be banned, dipshit.

GrandIsland posted on 2012-10-02 12:51:09 ET Reply Trace

Challenge Accepted

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-06-07   1:01:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: TheFireBert, GrandIsland, Fred Mertz (#103) (Edited)

GrandIsland DEFINITELY did NOT post this ON LF!

It was ORIGINALLY posted on LP, then copied and pasted to LF by someone.

Double check and you will find this to be true.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-07   9:19:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Gatlin (#106) (Edited)

#10. To: whyofcourse (#9) (Edited)

Why don't you post it here

OK, will do. It's dopey, but what the heck. It could be called, "BorisY's big cannabis flashback".

It was I who posted what was in my browser cache after the article was deleted at LP. Included in my post #10 are the LP numbers starting from 1 and going up to 68, and the poster's names are in BLACK. After 68 is my name in BLUE (the end of post 10). Then the next post is #11, with the poster's names in blue from there onward.

The ones with the poster's handle in BLACK are from LP.

Hondo68  posted on  2015-06-07   10:22:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: hondo68 (#109)

It was I who posted what was in my browser cache after the article was deleted at LP.

Wow, no wonder that seemed to be a mess of a thread.

I guess now either GI or Gatlin is going to argue that the text was originally posted on LP instead of LF, thus making the claim "technically" true while ignoring the fact that GI does babble in this type of behavior constantly.

I would not have even responded if I did not experience some of his antics in LP threads myself. GrandIsland, misterwhite, Gatlin, yukon, and many others exhibit the same common behaviors that become quite memorable (and sometimes disgusting for a couple of those screen names).

...unless PAULTARDs hacked his ID, of course! LOL

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-06-07   11:15:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: TheFireBert. hondo68, GrandIsland, Fred Mertz (#112)

Please don't quibble.
Just graciously admit you made a mistake.
That is the honorable thing to do.
And I sincerely believe you to be an honorable person.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-07   11:30:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Gatlin, GrandIsland (#114)

Just graciously admit you made a mistake.

Although you may not believe it so, what I posted was a direct quote. That is still a fact even when you consider that it was a re-post from another thread.

If GrandIsland wishes to deny that the phrase that was posted on that thread is not his own, let him make his own claim.

Just as we take direct quotes that journalists distribute as truth, we can think of hondo68 as a reporter, distributing a direct quote for the benefit of the site.

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-06-07   15:44:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: TheFireBert, GrandIsland, Fred Mertz (#133)

Just graciously admit you made a mistake.
Although you may not believe it so, what I posted was a direct quote. That is still a fact even when you consider that it was a re-post from another thread.
If GrandIsland wishes to deny that the phrase that was posted on that thread is not his own, let him make his own claim.
Just as we take direct quotes that journalists distribute as truth, we can think of hondo68 as a reporter, distributing a direct quote for the benefit of the site.

You simply made a mistake, no big deal….just let it go.
You were aching too much to give GrandIsalnd a smack down.
Therefore, you splashed your Challenge Accepted gif too quickly,
and with the absence of completely thorough and proper research.

You are also too quick to instruct me what I should let GrandIsland do.
By trying to do that, you are displaying quite a bit of hypocrisy....
since the original dialogue was between GrandIsland and tpaine.
You grabbed the gauntlet out of tpaine’s hand and injected yourself,
when you should have “let him make his own claim.” (Your Words).

The hondo68 analogical inference does not involve the shared properties of
two or more common things and is therefore logically fallacious. Nice try, though.

I respectfully suggest we now move on…since there is nothing more here.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-08   10:01:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Gatlin, TheFireBert, GrandIsland, Fred Mertz, the first pautard is born 2007 -GrandIsland (#142)

The hondo68 analogical inference does not involve the shared properties of two or more common things and [blah, blah, blah.....]

Way back in '07 GrandIsland was a genuine pautard himself. Yes he loved Ron Paul for a short time, before his head exploded from too much liberty.

Somewhere in the archives of LP there's a post, where GI gushes about how wonderful Ron Paul is.

Hondo68  posted on  2015-06-08   14:46:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: hondo68 (#148)

Somewhere in the archives of LP there's a post, where GI gushes about how wonderful Ron Paul is.

I never really disliked the kook. He has many great ideas.... and yes, he has a few over the top ideas. What I loathed were most of his AGENDA supporters. People, VILE PEOPLE, not posting for discussion but only to sell Ron Paul.

Does the shoe fit? lol

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-08   15:20:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: GrandIsland (#149)

...VILE PEOPLE...

I feel they did more to harm Ron Paul than they did to ever help him.

I know that to be true in my case. I got completely disgusted with them.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-08   15:34:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Gatlin (#150) (Edited)

...VILE PEOPLE...

I feel they did more to harm Ron Paul than they did to ever help him.

Losing your memory old timer?

Or just more revisionist history on your part?

Go back and look at those threads - it was the anti-Ron Paul faction led by you, byeltsin, Byteshredder (remember that foul-mouthed tool?) and of course yukon (you remember the gay porn lover, right?) who were fouling the forum with lies.

As if you got your talking points from neo-con central.

This thread makes my point succinctly.

Why are so many Ron Paul acolytes, vile, obnoxious, foul, libtard cowards?

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-08   19:02:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Deckard (#154)

...VILE PEOPLE…

Go back and look at those threads …

As if you got your talking points from neo-con central.

I don’t need to go look at anything because I’m not talking about LP, you narrow-minded Buffon.

Everyone knew that even as Ron Paul conceded, he was still asking his supporters to be civil and cease the disruptions they were causing. It was clear that “Paul didn’t want to be associated with some of the moves his supporters made which caused resentment and frustration to others.” Paul’s famously uncontrolled supporters did not listen to him.

And that did not come from any neo-con central talking point….it came from eyewitnesses.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-08   19:26:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: Gatlin (#157)

Everyone knew that even as Ron Paul conceded, he was still asking his supporters to be civil and cease the disruptions they were causing.

Whether or not that is true, the fact remains that you and the canary clan over at LP were the instigators and foul mouthed neanderthals on any of the Ron Paul threads.

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-08   19:36:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: Deckard (#160)

Whether or not that is true...

It is true. The rest of your sentence is irrelevant and immaterial to the stated fact.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-08   19:38:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Gatlin (#162)

The rest of your sentence is irrelevant and immaterial to the stated fact.

The rest of my sentence is completely relevant, Ron Paul's alleged statements not withstanding.

The fact is, On Liberty Post, the vehement rage and obscene comments were the sole work of the anti-Paul faction.

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-08   19:42:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#168. To: All (#164)

Deckard ~ The fact is, On Liberty Post, the vehement rage and obscene comments were the sole work of the anti-Paul faction.

Like this?

If Bruce Jenner can change sexes, so can Gatlin!

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul hondo68 posted on 2015-06-08 19:53:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Or this ?

If Bruce Jenner can change sexes, so can Gatlin! Nothing surprises me these days.

Fred Mertz posted on 2015-06-08 20:01:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Believe what you like, but vile unsolicited attacks are made by the AGENDA posters.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-08 20:11:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: Deckard (#164)

The fact is,

That fact is that Paultards were UNCONTROLLED FANATICS....

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-08 21:03:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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