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Title: Nancy Pelosi: Gay ‘marriage’ is ‘consistent’ with Catholic teaching
Source: Life Site News
URL Source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/n ... sistent-with-catholic-teaching
Published: Jun 4, 2015
Author: Fr. Mark Hodges
Post Date: 2015-06-04 12:04:28 by redleghunter
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WASHINGTON, D.C., June 2, 2015 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- House Minority Leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, says that same-sex “marriage” is perfectly "consistent" with Catholic Christianity.

Pelosi brought her grandchildren to see her receive an award from the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, to show the young, impressionable children that "marriage equality is important."

In an interview with Thomas Roberts on MSNBC, Pelosi said she took the children to the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund gala because "it's really important to see what the practice of our faith is."

Pelosi, who described herself as a faithful Christian and “mainstream Catholic,” said her pre-adolescent grandchildren needed to see and be present at a gay and lesbian celebration in order "to give them the image that we have for all people," meaning the image the Catholic Church has for all.

The House Minority Leader explained that same-sex marriage "is important," and that her grandchildren "have been hearing this [message supporting gay 'marriage'] their whole life" because "they go to Catholic school."

In perhaps the most controversial of her statements, Pelosi said, matter-of-factly, that same-sex 'marriage' "is consistent with the dignity and worth we [Catholics] attribute to every person."

Roberts asked about comments from Sen. Marco Rubio, R-FL, that continual demonization of traditional Christians could get the Catechism of the Catholic Church branded as “hate speech.” Pelosi responded, "I thoroughly disagree, being raised in a Catholic family [and] raising a Catholic family."

Pelosi contrasted what she characterized as Sen. Rubio's "polarizing" and "unfortunate" Catholicism with her own "mainstream Christian thinking."

She summarized Catholic catechism as teaching support of gay 'marriage'. "The fact is, what we’re taught was to respect people in our faith." Pelosi went on to criticize Rubio's opposition to gay 'marriage', explaining, "To say that [homosexual 'marriage'] endangers mainstream Christian thinking is so completely wrong."

Pelosi added, “I don’t even think that Pope Francis would subscribe to what Sen. Marco Rubio said" supporting traditional marriage.

The House leader concluded with the hope that Rubio would change his position on gay 'marriage'. "I hope that we can persuade him differently, because the country is going in a completely different direction now. And it’s very, very exciting."

It was not her first theological faux pas. In the past, she has claimed that the Catholic Church has only opposed abortion for "like maybe 50 years or something like that."


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The House Minority Leader explained that same-sex marriage "is important," and that her grandchildren "have been hearing this [message supporting gay 'marriage'] their whole life" because "they go to Catholic school." In perhaps the most controversial of her statements, Pelosi said, matter-of-factly, that same-sex 'marriage' "is consistent with the dignity and worth we [Catholics] attribute to every person." Subscribe to *Religious History and Issues*

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#1. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

All your's my friend. Have at it.

The dews of grace fall heavily in the night of sorrow. The stars of promise shine forth gloriously amid the darkness of grief. Continue thy service under all changes. (C.H. Spurgeon)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-04   12:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: redleghunter (#0)

Pelosi added, “I don’t even think

Stop right there, and that's the only true statement in the article.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-06-04   12:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Rufus T Firefly (#2)

Pelosi added, “I don’t even think

Stop right there, and that's the only true statement in the article.

LOL..Right on.

The dews of grace fall heavily in the night of sorrow. The stars of promise shine forth gloriously amid the darkness of grief. Continue thy service under all changes. (C.H. Spurgeon)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-04   13:28:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Rufus T Firefly, GarySpFc, TooConservative, liberator, CZ82, *Religious History and Issues* (#2)

Interesting data here: Changing Attitudes on Gay Marriage

The dews of grace fall heavily in the night of sorrow. The stars of promise shine forth gloriously amid the darkness of grief. Continue thy service under all changes. (C.H. Spurgeon)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-04   13:44:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: redleghunter (#0)

WASHINGTON, D.C., June 2, 2015 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- House Minority Leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, says that same-sex “marriage” is perfectly "consistent" with Catholic Christianity.

And yet some people still think she is smart enough and sane enough to be a US Senator!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-04   14:06:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: redleghunter (#0) (Edited)

Nancy Pelosi: Gay ‘marriage’ is ‘consistent’ with Catholic teaching

not according to the Catachism my Dad taught me .

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-06-04   14:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: tomder55 (#6)

not according to the Catachism my Dad taught me .

Exactly. But are we going to see a bishop, cardinal or even the Pope censure her, excommunicate her? Doubtful...I think this new Pope may even agree with her!

The dews of grace fall heavily in the night of sorrow. The stars of promise shine forth gloriously amid the darkness of grief. Continue thy service under all changes. (C.H. Spurgeon)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-04   14:51:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: redleghunter (#0)

When you think of how many homosexual priest there are, she may be right.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-06-04   15:16:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#5)

And yet some people still think she is smart enough and sane enough to be a US Senator!

Is there an intelligence or sanity test requirement for the US Senate?

A boatload of Kennedys, Schumers, Bidens, Boxers, Xlintons and other idiotic leftist lunatics would suggest otherwise.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-06-04   19:09:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All (#9)

lunatics

Sorry - I left out two from the gop branch of the ruling party

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-06-04   19:17:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: redleghunter, Ping Meister Pimpicles (#4)

The answers you get on a poll is determined by "WHO" you poll, you can get whatever results you desire by polling the right people. I.E. polls are bullschitt!!!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-04   19:17:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: redleghunter, Pericles (#1)

I think he's mad cause nobody was believing what he was posting.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-04   20:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: redleghunter (#0)

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-04   20:36:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: redleghunter, Rufus T Firefly, GarySpFc, TooConservative, liberator, CZ82, All (#4)

Interesting data here: Changing Attitudes on Gay Marriage

According to your reference Witch Pelosi is right, she is a mainstream Catholic.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-04   20:58:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: SOSO, redleghunter, Rufus T Firefly, GarySpFc, TooConservative, liberator, CZ82, All (#14)

According to your [ redleghunter ] reference Witch Pelosi is right, she is a mainstream Catholic.

This is how there are 10,000 Christian Bibles and/or churches ... next, there shall be the Church of Nancy, just another Christian adding to the publick confusion of: "just what is a Christian?"

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-04   21:30:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo, redleghunter, Rufus T Firefly, GarySpFc, TooConservative, liberator, CZ82, All (#15)

......adding to the publick confusion of: "just what is a Christian?" ......

There is no confusion over what is a Christian, it is someone that has been batized into the religion as a follower of Christ and believe in Him as Lord. The confusion is over what exactly that means re: what Jesus expects from us. Like all of us Nancy will eventually find out if she is confused about Christ or not.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-04   22:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Rufus T Firefly (#9)

Is there an intelligence or sanity test requirement for the US Senate?

Obviously not.

Being sane and intelligent might even be a handicap. I know being honest would be a career killer.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-05   0:59:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: SOSO (#14)

According to your reference Witch Pelosi is right, she is a mainstream Catholic.

In America (and also Europe). I have to caveat that. However, South America is going full bore on gay 'marriage' accepatance as well.

But take youre quote above and post it over at TOS. Tell them you are Catholic and see what happens...:)

The dews of grace fall heavily in the night of sorrow. The stars of promise shine forth gloriously amid the darkness of grief. Continue thy service under all changes. (C.H. Spurgeon)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-05   10:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#15)

"just what is a Christian?"

Read the Bible..Any Bible and find out.

The dews of grace fall heavily in the night of sorrow. The stars of promise shine forth gloriously amid the darkness of grief. Continue thy service under all changes. (C.H. Spurgeon)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-05   10:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: redleghunter (#18)

But take youre quote above and post it over at TOS.

TOS?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-05   13:30:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: SOSO (#20)

TOS?

Free Republic (FR). The wrath of the FRoman gang there will 'tommy gun' ya to death:)

The dews of grace fall heavily in the night of sorrow. The stars of promise shine forth gloriously amid the darkness of grief. Continue thy service under all changes. (C.H. Spurgeon)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-05   13:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: redleghunter, A KA Stone (#19)

buckeroo: "just what is a Christian?"

redleghunter: Read the Bible..Any Bible and find out.

I can not perform my flooding antics anymore about the over-simplistic "begat" stuff. Stone monitors my posts with utmost enthusiasm.

Otherwise, I would snare your comment into another trap.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-05   21:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo (#22)

buckeroo: "just what is a Christian?" redleghunter: Read the Bible..Any Bible and find out.

I can not perform my flooding antics anymore about the over-simplistic "begat" stuff. Stone monitors my posts with utmost enthusiasm.

Otherwise, I would snare your comment into another trap.

I guess redleghunter doesn't understand that the several hundred brands of Chriatianity that all claim to read and understand one version of the Bible or another and each claim to have the one and only true understanding of God's words, and more importantly God's mind.

Nancy Pelosi is a Christian that justifies her position on abortion at will and gay marriage as being mainstream Catholic Church teaching, as well as Jesus' teaching. I am certain that she read at least one of the "acceptable" versions of the Bible.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-05   21:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: SOSO (#23)

I am certain that she read at least one of the "acceptable" versions of the Bible.

Truly a sad statement for those that are in positions of government power.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-05   21:50:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: redleghunter (#0)

Nancy Pelosi: Gay ‘marriage’ is ‘consistent’ with Catholic teaching

Does she pretend to speak with the infalibility of a pope?

rlk  posted on  2015-06-06   22:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: rlk, TooConservative (#25) (Edited)

Nancy Pelosi: Gay ‘marriage’ is ‘consistent’ with Catholic teaching Does she pretend to speak with the infalibility of a pope?

Maybe.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-07   2:02:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: rlk, redleghunter (#25)

Does she pretend to speak with the infalibility of a pope?

As with Pelosi, the Popes *and* this President, the pretense and the illusion of "infallibility" waft over the sheeple like a blanket of sewage stench. They don't even bother to hold their nose any more; Instead they inhale more...*deeply*.

NONE of these hypocritical "Vicars of Christ" have ever called out the high-profile policy makers of baby-murder, sodomite-fascism, and institutional theft.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-07   9:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo, SOSO, redleghunter, Rufus T Firefly, GarySpFc, CZ82, All (#15)

The publick confusion of: "just what is a Christian?"

Are you and SOSO really *still* confused about this definition?

Start small and simple, with John 3:16....then eliminate all magic beads and incantations, candles, statues, and specific "church" rules & regs. Find a mentor or church that concentrates solely on *scriptural* tenets.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-07   9:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: SOSO, buckeroo, redleghunter (#23)

I guess redleghunter doesn't understand that the several hundred brands of Chriatianity that all claim to read and understand one version of the Bible or another and each claim to have the one and only true understanding of God's words, and more importantly God's mind.

Lol...

It's almost as though you're nostalgic for Babel. And doubt the power of The Almighty, Infinite, Omnipotent God to impose His will upon man to scribe EXACTLY His *intended* word.

This equation is simple to settle:

IS it or is it NOT within the power of God to impose His will, spirit and intent upon man??

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-07   9:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Liberator, redleghunter (#27)

OpEdNews Op Eds 6/6/2015 at 07:54:47

Pope Francis Calls Right-Wing Christian Fundamentalism a Sickness

By James Quandy

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Pope-Francis-Calls-Right-W-by-James-Quandy-America_America_Anti-gay_CHRISTIANS-CANNOT-BE-CONSERVATIVES-150606-114.html

Here is an excerpt from the above article:

"Pope Francis has been very clear about how he feels about ideological purity in religion. He's been particularly critical of right-wing Christian fundamentalism. Pope Francis has shifted the focus of the Catholic Church to issues facing the poor and the sick. He has railed against economic inequality and has criticized the anti-gay and anti-abortion strains that have come to dominate the Christian Right here in America. Such ideological extremism is dangerous, not only to Christianity, but to the world. And Pope Francis said as much last Thursday".

Pope Francis called right-wing Christian fundamentalism a sickness.

Don't ya just love Popes.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-07   11:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Liberator, buckeroo, redleghunter, Rufus T Firefly, GarySpFc, CZ82, All (#28)

Are you and SOSO really *still* confused about this definition?

I never have been confused about this but it appears tha you are.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-07   12:54:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Liberator, buckeroo, redleghunter (#29)

It's almost as though you're nostalgic for Babel.

I didn't seek to confound man as in Babel, God did that. And as far as I know He has never undone what He did.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-07   12:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Liberator, buckeroo, redleghunter (#29)

IS it or is it NOT within the power of God to impose His will, spirit and intent upon man??

'Zactly, And that is why God gave man free will. Perhaps you read about that?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-07   12:58:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Liberator, SOSO, redleghunter (#29) (Edited)

IS it or is it NOT within the power of God to impose His will, spirit and intent upon man??

Yeah, but who would discern it? The Pope, Nancy Pelosi, Tammy Faye, Oral Roberts or Liberator? Choose your own leader as required. To me, it is all a mystery and can not be defined by anyone walking this planet.

Oh and here are a real heaping pile of manure:

Bishop Michael Alexander, Herbert W. Armstrong, Simeon Ashe, Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 7th Earl of Shaftesbury, Arthur Balfour, Glenn Beck, William Eugene Blackstone, Andrew Bonar, Horatius Bonar, Edmund Calamy, John Cotton, Ted Cruz, John Nelson Darby, Tom DeLay, Mike Evans, Jerry Falwell, Don Finto, Joseph Frey, John Gill, Thomas Goodwin, William Gouge, John Hagee, William Hechler, Walid Shoebat, Malcolm Hedding, Mike Huckabee, Alan Keyes, Hal Lindsey, John F. MacArthur, Robert Murray M'Cheyne, James David Manning, Increase Mather, Chuck Missler, Sandor Nemeth, John Owen, David Pawson, E. J. Poole-Connor, Pat Robertson, Denis Michael Rohan, Samuel Rutherford, J C Ryle, Charles Simeon, Charles Spurgeon, Ezra Stiles, Jack Van Impe, John Walvoord, Charles Wesley John Wesley, William Wilberforce, Orde Wingate
Oh, you might choose, THESE TWO IDIOTS: Jerry Falwell and John Hagee whom actually advocate the violation of common Jesus' sayings by using FORCE to conquer Palestine. These two "Christian" evangelists advocate the destruction of the world because they know Jesus and believe in war.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-07   13:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeroo, liberator, CZ82, SOSO, GarySpFc (#34)

Yeah, but who would discern it? The Pope, Nancy Pelosi, Tammy Faye, Oral Roberts or Liberator? Choose your own leader as required. To me, it is all a mystery and can not be defined by anyone walking this planet.

Here's the most penetrating of all answers. And He did walk the earth and will again.

John 18:

37 Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”

Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

Jesus Christ also spoke much of having ears but not hearing. Here's a parable which explains such a situation:

Luke 8:

4 And when a great multitude had gathered, and they had come to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable: 5 “A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it. 6 Some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away because it lacked moisture. 7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. 8 But others fell on good ground, sprang up, and yielded a crop a hundredfold.” When He had said these things He cried, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”

9 Then His disciples asked Him, saying, “What does this parable mean?”

10 And He said, “To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that

‘Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand.’

11 “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. 14 Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity. 15 But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-07   19:23:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: SOSO (#32) (Edited)

I didn't seek to confound man as in Babel, God did that. And as far as I know He has never undone what He did.

25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children."

The Holy Bible: New International Version (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1984), Mt 11:25.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-08   23:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: GarySpFC (#36)

I didn't seek to confound man as in Babel, God did that. And as far as I know He has never undone what He did.

25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children."

???????????????????????

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-09   0:20:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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