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Title: The Decline of Christian America
Source: VDare
URL Source: http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-decline-of-christian-america
Published: May 26, 2015
Author: Pat Buchanan
Post Date: 2015-05-26 00:16:51 by nativist nationalist
Keywords: None
Views: 2327
Comments: 15

“This is a Christian nation,” said the Supreme Court in 1892.

“America was born a Christian nation,” echoed Woodrow Wilson. Harry Truman affirmed it: “This is a Christian nation.”

But in 2009, Barack Hussein Obama begged to differ: “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”

Comes now a Pew Research Center survey that reveals the United States is de- Christianizing at an accelerated rate.

Whereas 86 percent of Americans in 1990 identified as Christians, by 2007, that was down to 78 percent. Today only 7 in 10 say they are Christians. But the percentage of those describing themselves as atheists, agnostics or nonbelievers has risen to 23. That exceeds the Catholic population and is only slightly below evangelicals.

Those in the mainline Protestant churches—Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, Episcopalians—have plummeted from 50 percent of the U.S. population in 1958 to 14 percent today. By accommodating the social revolution of the 1960s to stay relevant, mainline churches appear to have made themselves irrelevant to America’s young.

The decline in Christian identity is greatest among the young. While 85 percent of Americans born before 1945 still call themselves Christians, only 57 percent of those born after 1980 do.

If we want to see our future, we should probably look to Europe, where Catholic Ireland just voted in a landslide to legalize same-sex marriage and where cathedrals and churches are being turned into tourist attractions and museums and even bars and restaurants.

What are the causes of a de-Christianized America?

High among them is the Supreme Court, which, since the Earl Warren era began, purged Christianity from all public schools and the public square—and has been met with a puzzling lack of resistance from Middle America to the secularist revolution being imposed upon it.

Second, an anti-Christian elite captured the cultural heights—the arts, elite universities, popular culture, the media—and began, through movies, books and magazines, an assault on Christian beliefs and morality.

Third was the social revolution of the 1960s, which began with the arrival of the baby boomers on campus in 1964. Five years on, Woodstock Nation was wallowing in the mud, listening to Country Joe & the Fish.

The counterculture of the ’60s would be used as a foil to build 49-state landslides for Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, but then the ’60s views and values were embraced by the elites and came to dominate the culture in the time of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Given his baggage, “Slick Willy” of Yoknapatawpha County would have been a comic figure in the 1950s. Today he is the Democratic Party’s beau ideal of a statesman.

Many churches came out to meet the cultural revolution halfway. The results were irrelevance and scandal—too many Elmer Gantrys in televangelist pulpits and too many predators in priestly cassocks.

What are the consequences of a de-Christianized America and West? Si monumentum requiris, circumspice. (If you would seek its monuments, look around you.)

Half of marriages end in divorce. Fewer children are being born, and of these, over 40 percent are out of wedlock. Record drug use rates and dropout rates and soaring crime rates that have declined only because we have an incarceration rate that rivals South Africa’s.

Despite astonishing advances in medicine, we have far more and far more varied and deadly STDs.

As Christianity dies, individualism, materialism and hedonism replace it. “Selfies” could be the name for the generation for whom Easter Sunday long ago took a back seat to Super Bowl Sunday. More than a million abortions a year, assisted suicide and euthanasia are seen as the milestones of social progress in the new America.

“Panem et circenses,” bread and circuses, were what the late Roman Empire was all about. With us, it is sex, drugs and rock, with variations on all three.

Historically, as the faith dies, the culture and civilization to which it gave birth die, and then the people die. And a new tribe with its own gods comes to occupy the emptying land.

On the old and new continents, it is the native-born of European ancestry who are de-Christianizing, aging and dying. And the nations they created are the ones depopulating.

To occupy Rome, the barbarians came from the east and north. To occupy the West, they are coming from the south. And like the Romans of the fourth century, we seem paralyzed and powerless to stop them.

Christianity was the founding faith of the West. That faith and the moral code and culture it produced once united this disparate and diverse nation and civilization.

As Christianity fades away and the moral code and culture it generated recede into irrelevance, what will hold us together?

Economically, we are dependent on foreigners for the necessities of our national life. Our politics are poisonous. Our racial divisions, once ameliorated by shared belief in the same God and Bible, are rawer than they were in the 1950s.

As for equality, diversity and global democracy, who will march and die for that?

Historian Arnold Toynbee said it well: “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.”

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#1. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

I'm sure this has to do with the increasing secularism in our lifestyles, callousness to family and marriage, and society's push for self-pleasure and materialistic values.

America is in its fall.

The social "revolution" of the 60's was really just the degeneracy of moral values and the relationship between God and man in America.

It had good purposes (like stopping oppressive attitudes to blacks, to women, ect) but like everything else in the world its meaning got perverted and twisted once it got popularized and turned into something so extreme.

Republicans predicted this would happen, we all laughed and called them close- minded (somewhat true) but look what is happening.

A generation of lazy, unproductive, hedonistic, sexually immoral, callous people who are going to be the leaders of society.

Terrifying.

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-05-26   1:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: nativist nationalist, ebonytwix (#0)

"Treaty of Tripoli, Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.

This article is pretty stupid. For example, ignoring parts of American history that contradicts its premise. Also, the barbarians that took Rome were by then Latinized and Christians - and the Southern Latins invading America are more religious per say than native born (as was the case with Rome, which was more pagan than Christian when it fell to the Christianized Germanic tribes).

So this is opinion expressed here just horribly thought out piece of thinking.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-26   2:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: ebonytwix, all (#1)

Allan Bloom

Bloom’s best–selling 1987 book, The Closing of the American Mind, looked at the shallowness of America’s educational system. Bloom was not a Christian, but he lamented that familiarity with the Bible is no longer a part of an education: “The Bible is not the only means to furnish a mind, but without a book of similar gravity, read with the gravity of the potential believer, it will remain unfurnished.”

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-05-26   2:38:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: GarySpFC (#3) (Edited)

Bloom’s best–selling 1987 book, The Closing of the American Mind, looked at the shallowness of America’s educational system. Bloom was not a Christian, but he lamented that familiarity with the Bible is no longer a part of an education: “The Bible is not the only means to furnish a mind, but without a book of similar gravity, read with the gravity of the potential believer, it will remain unfurnished.”

I went to public schools and had comparative religious instructions as well as after school religious instruction. The people who share responsiblity for the decline in religiosity are the politically conservative types who instead of focusing on the pushing for religion as history and philosophy in schools spend all their energies on losing ideas like 'prayer' in schools and fighting sexual education in school to the point that the religious right is against HPV vaccinations because they in their minds think it will mean young girls will become sluts if they are not afraid of death from sex or some such and of course creationism being pushed as a science rather than as a philosophy.

Rather than religious conservatives pushing for human anatomy and biology as a replacement for sex education and pushing for a Biblical history and philosophy class (how the bible shaped western civilization and western thought) they spend all their efforts pushing for creationism to be tuaght alongside evolution.

So if you are going to look for who is responsible for the decline of religion in our education system and thus the new generations include the religious right (especially the southern ones) alongside the secular humanists of the northeast.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-26   3:30:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pericles (#4) (Edited)

So if you are going to look for who is responsible for the decline of religion in our education system and thus the new generations include the religious RIGHT

There isn't anything you don't blame on the "right"... Is there?

That makes you pretty "left". lol

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-05-26   6:51:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GrandIsland (#5) (Edited)

So if you are going to look for who is responsible for the decline of religion in our education system and thus the new generations include the religious RIGHT There isn't anything you don't blame on the "right"... Is there?

Is the "right" the same as the religious right?

Also, the article is blaming the left already - but the left would not win if the religious right was doing it's job and not losing the public. I point out what the religous right did wrong and why it is failing in its message.

See, that is why I called you stupid before. You just don't think in an analytical way. You are a talk radio listening type of boob.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-26   9:05:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: nativist nationalist, rlk (#0)

Ping for later comment.

rlk  posted on  2015-05-26   16:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pericles, GarySpFc (#2)

Treaty of Tripoli, Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.

A worthless document which has no bearing or reflection on the factual demographics of the early nation. I'm sure Adams had an Imam give the Senate prayer that day---NOT!

and the Southern Latins invading America are more religious per say than native born

Some accuracy to that. But their kids leave the Latin brand quickly when getting here or born here.

“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.” (Matthew 11:28)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-26   16:39:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pericles (#2) (Edited)

Treaty of Tripoli, Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." ,p> It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.

Oh Nonsense! Significantly, secularists regularly cite one clause from that treaty in devious attempts to make it appear that the Founding Fathers emphatically avowed that America was not a Christian nation. They thus quote from that treaty the line declaring "The government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion . . . " This declaration certainly seems to be straightforward – until you discover that the critics only used part of the quote. Notice what the full, unedited clause states:

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims]. and as the said States [America] have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. [13] (emphasis added)

This clause from the Treaty of Tripoli simply affirms that America was not one of the European Christian nations with an inherent hostility toward Muslims, and that America had never been part of arbitrary wars against Muslims such as had characterized the Crusades. This clause definitely does not deny or undermine America's strong Christian heritage – unless you wrongly place a period in the middle of the sentence, as secularist critics do.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-05-26   18:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: GarySpFC (#9) (Edited)

is clause definitely does not deny or undermine America's strong Christian heritage

I never said it did - your side cherrypicks founding fathers to make them sound like Old Testament prophets and ignores how many were utterly not like that but again you prove why the American religious right is its own worst enemy.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-26   19:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

“This is a Christian nation,” said the Supreme Court in 1892.

Below are some extracts from the uncited opinion to put the snippet quote in context. It is not the government of the nation that is Christian, but, by and large, the people within the country. Explicitly, the ruling would apply equally for a cleric who was Roman Catholic, Episcopal, Baptist, or Jewish.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/143/457/case.html

Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 457 (1892)

MR. JUSTICE BREWER delivered the opinion of the Court.

Plaintiff in error is a corporation duly organized and incorporated as a religious society under the laws of the State of New York. E. Walpole Warren was, prior to September,

143 U. S. 458

1887, an alien residing in England. In that month the plaintiff in error made a contract with him by which he was to remove to the City of New York and enter into its service as rector and pastor, and in pursuance of such contract, Warren did so remove and enter upon such service. It is claimed by the United States that this contract on the part of the plaintiff in error was forbidden by 23 Stat. 332, c. 164, and an action was commenced to recover the penalty prescribed by that act. The circuit court held that the contract was within the prohibition of the statute, and rendered judgment accordingly, 36 F. 303, and the single question presented for our determination is whether it erred in that conclusion.

The first section describes the act forbidden, and is in these words:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that from and after the passage of this act it shall be unlawful for any person, company, partnership, or corporation, in any manner whatsoever, to prepay the transportation, or in any way assist or encourage the importation or migration, of any alien or aliens, any foreigner or foreigners, into the United States, its territories, or the District of Columbia under contract or agreement, parol or special, express or implied, made previous to the importation or migration of such alien or aliens, foreigner or foreigners, to perform labor or service of any kind in the United States, its territories, or the District of Columbia."

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143 U. S. 461

In United States v. Kirby, 7 Wall. 482, 74 U. S. 486, the defendants were indicted for the violation of an act of Congress providing

"that if any person shall knowingly and willfully obstruct or retard the passage of the mail, or of any driver or carrier, or of any horse or carriage carrying the same, he shall, upon conviction, for every such offense, pay a fine not exceeding one hundred dollars."

The specific charge was that the defendants knowingly and willfully retarded the passage of one Farris, a carrier of the mail, while engaged in the performance of his duty, and also in like manner retarded the steamboat General Buell, at that time engaged in carrying the mail. To this indictment the defendants pleaded specially that Farris had been indicted for murder by a court of competent authority in Kentucky; that a bench-warrant had been issued and

143 U. S. 461

placed in the hands of the defendant Kirby, the sheriff of the county, commanding him to arrest Farris and bring him before the court to answer to the indictment, and that, in obedience to this warrant, he and the other defendants, as his posse, entered upon the steamboat General Buell and arrested Farris, and used only such force as was necessary to accomplish that arrest. The question as to the sufficiency of this plea was certified to this Court, and it was held that the arrest of Farris upon the warrant from the state court was not an obstruction of the mail or the retarding of the passage of a carrier of the mail within the meaning of the act. In its opinion, the Court says:

"All laws should receive a sensible construction. General terms should be so limited in their application as not to lead to injustice, oppression, or an absurd consequence. It will always therefore be presumed that the legislature intended exceptions to its language which would avoid results of this character. The reason of the law in such cases should prevail over its letter. The common sense of man approves the judgment mentioned by Puffendorf, that the Bolognian law which enacted 'that whoever drew blood in the streets should be punished with the utmost severity' did not extend to the surgeon who opened the vein of a person that fell down in the street in a fit. The same common sense accepts the ruling, cited by Plowden, that the statute of 1st Edw. II which enacts that a prisoner who breaks prison shall be guilty of felony, does not extend to a prisoner who breaks out when the prison is on fire, 'for he is not to be hanged because he would not stay to be burnt.' And we think that a like common sense will sanction the ruling we make, that the act of Congress which punishes the obstruction or retarding of the passage of the mail, or of its carrier, does not apply to a case of temporary detention of the mail caused by the arrest of the carrier upon an indictment for murder."

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143 U.S. 472

If we pass beyond these matters to a view of American life, as expressed by its laws, its business, its customs, and its society, we find every where a clear recognition of the same truth. Among other matters, note the following: the form of oath universally prevailing, concluding with an appeal to the Almighty; the custom of opening sessions of all deliberative bodies and most conventions with prayer; the prefatory words of all wills, "In the name of God, amen;" the laws respecting the observance of the Sabbath, with the general cessation of all secular business, and the closing of courts, legislatures, and other similar public assemblies on that day; the churches and church organizations which abound in every city, town, and hamlet; the multitude of charitable organizations existing every where under Christian auspices; the gigantic missionary associations, with general support, and aiming to establish Christian missions in every quarter of the globe. These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. In the face of all these, shall it be believed that a Congress of the United States intended to make it a misdemeanor for a church of this country to contract for the services of a Christian minister residing in another nation?

143 U.S. 472

Suppose, in the Congress that passed this act, some member had offered a bill which in terms declared that if any Roman Catholic church in this country should contract with Cardinal Manning to come to this country and enter into its service as pastor and priest, or any Episcopal church should enter into a like contract with Canon Farrar, or any Baptist church should make similar arrangements with Rev. Mr. Spurgeon, or any Jewish synagogue with some eminent rabbi, such contract should be adjudged unlawful and void, and the church making it be subject to prosecution and punishment. Can it be believed that it would have received a minute of approving thought or a single vote? Yet it is contended that such was, in effect, the meaning of this statute. The construction invoked cannot be accepted as correct. It is a case where there was presented a definite evil, in view of which the legislature used general terms with the purpose of reaching all phases of that evil, and thereafter, unexpectedly, it is developed that the general language thus employed is broad enough to reach cases and acts which the whole history and life of the country affirm could not have been intentionally legislated against. It is the duty of the courts under those circumstances to say that, however broad the language of the statute may be, the act, although within the letter, is not within the intention of the legislature, and therefore cannot be within the statute.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-05-26   19:29:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pericles (#10) (Edited)

I never said it did - your side cherrypicks founding fathers to make them sound like Old Testament prophets and ignores how many were utterly not like that but again you prove why the American religious right is its own worst enemy.

Baloney! You distort both European and American religious history more than any person I have encountered. The Orthodox Churches are a mere shell of their former glory, when men like John Chrysostom and Athanasius preached. There was a time when men would walk all they way across Egypt to hear Athanasius preach. In Constantinople, when Chrysostom was archbishop men discussed the Trinity on street corners and in barbershops. Children discussed how the Son was begotten. Today they pat themselves on the back proclaiming, "We're the oldest," as if that is t he faith God is seeking. At other times they are simply a nationalist movement.

Things are not perfect in America's Evangelical Churches, but they are not backslidden to the degree of the Orthodox. I have spent considerable time in many churches within both groups.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-05-29   18:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: GarySpFC (#12)

You distort both European and American religious history more than any person I have encountered.

He's just being a good little drone and doing what he's paid to do.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-05-29   18:42:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: GarySpFC (#12) (Edited)

Things are not perfect in America's Evangelical Churches, but they are not backslidden to the degree of the Orthodox. I have spent considerable time in many churches within both groups.

I've spent time in different churches too.

Lutherans, Methodists, the Orthodox, etc. are just boring.

Covering up pedophile Priests made the Catholic Church look corrupt.

Baptists, etc. are just nuts with their no dancing, no alcohol, anti-science crapola.

Let's not even mention all of the fraud evangelical preachers, jailed or not.

So, whose fault is it that people are leaving churches???

The "liberal" establishment?

No. Christianity's problem are the current "Christian" churches themselves.

cranko  posted on  2015-05-29   19:52:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: GarySpFC (#12)

There was a time when men would walk all they way across Egypt to hear Athanasius preach. In Constantinople, when Chrysostom was archbishop men discussed the Trinity on street corners and in barbershops.

What comes out of American Protestant mouths that can be called golden?

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-29   20:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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