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Title: Church members push to use marijuana during religious services
Source: wpri.com
URL Source: http://wpri.com/2015/05/23/church-m ... ana-during-religious-services/
Published: May 23, 2015
Author: Erica Ponte
Post Date: 2015-05-24 07:48:15 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 5675
Comments: 32

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (WPRI) – Members of a church went to downtown Providence to show it is their constitutional right to use cannabis.

Services are normally held at the home of the church’s leader and former Rhode Island Gubernatorial candidate Anne Armstrong, but the group recently decided to pray publicly at the Roger Williams National Memorial in Providence. Earlier this week, three members were cited for possessing a controlled substance.

Armstrong says, “This is a very important constitutional issue and if it can’t be decided here. I don’t think there is any hope for America frankly.”

Alan Gordon is a member of the church and says, “I’ve been a religious user since 1993… “I look at the bible. I read what it says and what it says is its full of this plant called cannabis in Hebrew that is depicted in scripture matches precisely what we call cannabis today.”

In a push to continue to worship at the park, the group asked the U.S. courts for an injunction, to legally be allowed to smoke marijuana during their 45- minute Saturday service. The Healing Church received the permit to hold a prayer service, but not the injunction, which meant law enforcement, would be standing by.”

Providence Police say if anyone is caught smoking marijuana illegally, they could be ticketed and if it’s a larger amount, they could be charged criminally.

Poster Comment:
If is there is a choice of between the Praise the Lord and Pass the Pot religious ritual practice here or the Praise the Lord and Pass the Rattler religious ritual of serpent handling….then, Brother, I ask for a third choice of neither.

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#4. To: Gatlin (#0)

He says that the Bible is "full of this plant called cannibis in Hebrew", and that it precisely matches what we call cannibis today.

Really?

I would very much like to see those passages. (They don't exist.)

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-24   18:41:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

(They don't exist.)

You sound quite sure of yourself. Ever heard of Kaneh-Bosem? Sounds kind of like Cannabis, doesn't it.

BBC: Cannabis linked to Biblical healing

Jesus Christ and his apostles may have used a cannabis-based anointing oil to help cure people with crippling diseases, it has been claimed.

Researchers in the United States say the oil used in the early days of the Christian church contained a cannabis extract called kaneh-bosem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_anointing_oil#Others
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2633187.stm

The Guardian: Jesus 'healed using cannabis'

Jesus was almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings.

The anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples contained an ingredient called kaneh-bosem which has since been identified as cannabis extract
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/06/science.religion

CHRISTIANS & POT: A HIGH HOLY HISTORY

http://www.hightimes.com/read/christians-pot-high-holy-history

Whether Kaneh-Bosem is Cannabis oil or not, the Cannabis plant makes millions of people around the world feel better. And, like the US GOV says, it kills cancer cells. So it's not impossible that Jesus healed with Cannabis.

Operation 40  posted on  2015-05-25   0:56:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Operation 40 (#7)

Kaneh-Bosem is not a Greek word. The New Testament was written in Greek.

Where, specifically, does that term appear in the New Testament (it doesn't).

Where, specifically, does that term appear in the Old Testament?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-25   14:48:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

Sara Benetowa, later known as Sula Benet (1903–1982), was a Polish anthropologist of the 20th century who studied Polish and Judaic customs and traditions.

Cannabis research

One part of Benet's writings which has attracted some modern attention is her claim that the herb known as kaneh-bosm or kneh-bosm mentioned in the Hebrew Bible may relate to religious use of cannabis. Kaneh-bosm is listed in the Book of Exodus as one of the ingredients of the holy anointing oil used in the tabernacle and later in the temple, and has historically and also by modern lexical and botanical scholars today been interpreted as calamus or related plants.

By an argument based on comparative etymology Benet asserts that the word kaneh-bosm actually refers to the drug cannabis and was used in ancient Jewish religious rites, possibly as an intoxicant. Some pro-cannabis advocates have cited Benet's work as evidence that cannabis use has a long culturally important history, and that the criminalization and demonization of cannabis is a recent invention. According to Benet, cannabis appears in ancient Hebrew texts spelled with the Hebrew letters: “Kuph, Nun, Hé Bet, Shin, Mem,” translated into western alphabetic forms as ¹aneh-bosm, kaneh-bosm or kineboisin. The book of Exodus records the event of Moses receiving the instructions for making and distributing the hemp enriched holy oil, in the most auspicious tones.[2][3]

Then the Lord said to Moses, "Take the following fine spices: 500 shekels of liquid myrrh, half as much of fragrant cinnamon, 250 shekels of qaneh-bosm, 500 shekels of cassia--all according to the sanctuary shekel--and a hind of olive oil. Make these into a sacred anointing oil” (Exodus 30: 22-33)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sula_Benet

What do YOU think this qaneh-bosm was?

Whatever it was,the "Drug War" was not about morality or virtue.

The "Drug War" was about preventing people from treating themselves and forcing them to buy pharmaceutical concoctions that are multiple times worse than the 100% natural God Given Hemp Plant.

Operation 40  posted on  2015-05-25   17:03:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Operation 40 (#12)

We will go over these words tomorrow. Too late tonight, and too tired.

Kaneh means stalk or stem, as in "sugar CANE". "Kaneh voshem" is not the name of a thing. It is the stalk of a thing, the thing being voshem or bosom. Bosem means a sweet-smelling plant.

In the same sentence bosom is used to describe cinnamon and myrrh. The third 'kaneh voshem" is the stalk of some sweet smelling plant, probably frankincense.

"Kaneh" appears many times in Exodus, mostly referring to the stalks that are part of the lamp stand (the menorah) in the temple. It appears also in the description of the temple incense.

Bosem appears three times in the same sentence, a it refers to sweet-smelling plants. The third sweet- smelling plant is not identified. Could be anything. Cannibis doesn't smell sweet, it smells strong. Frankinsence is a very popular sweet smelling herb of incense from the Middle Eastern deserts. If 'voshem" was a specific plant, it was probably that.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-25   21:58:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Vicomte13, Operation 40 (#13)

Operation 40 is finding that facts are pesky things.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can rationalize their interpreation of the Bible to fit just about anything they wish to believe.

SOSO  posted on  2015-05-26   13:46:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: SOSO (#25)

Funny thing is that a straightforward read of Genesis will find man given dominion over the land and all the plants, and that man can consume the plants as he pleases.

So, the Bible DOES give the potheads a sacred argument: that men should not be interposing laws to limit the range of basic freedom God gave them to exercise dominion, for God never gave men dominion over other men.

God still has dominion, and pharmakeia is a deadly sin, but pharmakeia is not the use of, say, recreational cannabis. It is, rather, the marketing of the altered state of cannabis as something supernatural, or the marketing of cannabis to achieve a supernatural state (as opposed to selling it like alcohol), or making an idol out of cannabis and trying to inject it into the Bible where it doesn't appear. Those are errors.

There is a soft argument for leaving people alone to smoke in peace to be found in Scripture. There is no HARD argument for cannabis, however.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-26   14:41:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

God still has dominion, and pharmakeia is a deadly sin, but pharmakeia is not the use of, say, recreational cannabis. It is, rather, the marketing of the altered state of cannabis as something supernatural, or the marketing of cannabis to achieve a supernatural state (as opposed to selling it like alcohol), or making an idol out of cannabis and trying to inject it into the Bible where it doesn't appear. Those are errors.

So it is the marketing of witchcraft that is forbidden, and not recreational witchcraft by individuals?

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-05-26   21:47:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GarySpFC (#31)

Witchcraft if prohibited. If you get drunk on wine and use that altered state to channel demons and attempt to perofm magic, that is a sin. selling you the wine to do it isn't the sin, and your neighbors drinking win isn't a sin either.

Witchcraft is prohibited, and in particular, and also the selling of something FOR witchcraft in order that somebody else may do it.

But selling people a deck of playing cards is not witchcraft, even though they can be used for that, nor is selling somebody wine. Or maybe cannibis. The intent is everything.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-26   23:05:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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