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Title: Michael Brelo Shoots Through Windshield at Unarmed Couple 15 Times: Found Not Guilty
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Reason
URL Source: http://reason.com/
Published: May 23, 2015
Author: Brian Doherty
Post Date: 2015-05-23 18:48:37 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 21035
Comments: 92
Some people in Cleveland back in November 2012 thought they heard a gun firing. It was a car backfiring. So they chased the car from which they imagined the gunshot came at high speeds, often reaching 100 mph, for 20 miles, themselves shooting at or into that car 137 times. One of the shooters, named Michael Brelo, leapt on the hood of the car after it was halted and shot 15 times. The people inside the car, Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams, were, predictably, murdered in this barrage of 137 gunshots all told. They were unarmed. Do you think Brelo committed a crime? Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Judge John P. O'Donnell didn't think so. This morning a trial for Brelo (the only one of the group of 13 people responsible charged with any crime, in this case "voluntary manslaughter") ended with a verdict from the judge of not guilty. Why? How? Oh wait—did I forget to mention Brelo was a police officer? Never mind! But the reasoning was, according to the Columbus Dispatch report: There wasn't any way to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that it was the specific bullets that Brelo fired that ended Russell and Williams's life, after a nearly hour-long summation of his conclusion, an involved explanation of the decision that involved mannequins marked with the gunshot wounds that the two motorists suffered. As NPR summed up: it was impossible to determine beyond a reasonable doubt that either suspect would have survived if not for Brelo's shots. He also determined that Brelo's use of force was constitutionally reasonable given that he and other officers perceived that Russell and Williams posed a threat. "It is Brelo's perception of a threat that matters," O'Donnell said. Have a great weekend, Cleveland. Ed Krayewski blogged about this case in January, last November (about the $3 million civil wrongful death suit payout from the city over the murder, er, "incident"), and June. Brian Doherty is a senior editor at Reason magazine and author of Ron Paul’s Revolution: The Man and the Movement He Inspired (Broadside Books).
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#52. To: Gatlin (#51)
You can't post until further notice.
" tpaine@sharklasers.com" --- how in hell did I get involved in Gatlins hissy fit? And should I sue for copyright infringement on this outrageous use of my handle?
I don't know. Neither does anyone else with certainty. As presented, someone heard a noise and a group of people formed a lynch mob and decided "It must have come from that car." and gave angry chase with no serious evidence, only their excited enclination at the time. At the end, Brelo played the part of the mob's hero, jumped on the car's hood, and sprayed bullets everywhere with deliberate intent to murder. He is a ferocious nutcase who should be prosecuted for his intention. The fancy dan Judge who is posturing in the photo to look like he is in deep thought should be expelled from the bench and charged with obstruction of justice. It was a showpiece mistrial.
I'd have to disagree with you. I live by the system that's put in place. Our forefathers were especially geniuses when it came to setting the foundation for our criminal justice standards. So, when OJ obviously hacks up two people and walks... good for him. Shitbirds always get what they deserve sooner or later... he got his. When Zimmerman walked... good for him. When that fella in Florida walked from an obvious drug crime through jury nullification... GOOD FOR HIM. The drug warriors celebrated.... and I accepted the courts decision. In this case, he was found not guilty. GOOD FOR HIM. it's how we roll. Cop supporters celebrate his CONSTITUTIONAL outcome just like Deckard and conspiracy crew celebrate jury nullifications or anytime a criminal can victimize an officer and be acquitted. Let's be fair Stone... nobody is celebrating that this officer ended a life. I'm celebrating that our criminal justice system is fair and balanced and on occasion, will make both sides of the law agree. If you feel I'm not moral, so be it. I have thicker skin than Gatlin. But I'm very moral. I agree with our standards of proof for a conviction. I also understand that thousands upon thousands of shitbirds are acquitted because it was impossible to meet those standards... while trying never to convict an innocent person. I'll celebrate that our criminal justice system isn't perfect 100% of the time, but it's better than any other.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Cops should have the same constitutional standards as and shitbird drug dealer.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
There are many here that feel constitutional rights are worth starting a revolt over... but those rights shouldn't be important to cops.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Let me answer my own question since no one took the bait. Yes it would be murder. So why isn't it in this case?
Letting judges try cops invites corruption. What would have happened to this judge if he found the cop guilty? There was enormous pressure on him. You know it.
We can accept the decision. But that doesn't mean we can't complain or disagree with it.
Fair enough?
Because he was found not guilty. Our system isn't perfect... but it's closer to perfect than any other criminal justice system... and we can't pick and choose what verdicts a defendant gets. Just like I had to swallow the OJ decision... you must swallow this one. I'll assume there were other factors than we heard.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I told you so. Really ticks off Pebbles to no end.
I purposefully didn't say that to you. Maybe I was a little harsh in my assessment.
Do you think he should be tried for any additional crimes? I'm sure you as a former officer could think of something to charge him with.
I know how to piss you off.
Hope I don't forget for a year.
Of course it's our right to do both... but we didn't hear the facts of this case. We didn't sit through all the testimony or evidence. So just how constructive is that complaint... as apposed to the importance of the high degree of proof needed to CONSTITUTIONALLY BE FOUND GUILTY?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Well I'm sure there are many areas I maybe less moral than you. I realize you didn't say that to me, but if you did think that, I was trying to convey that me being less moral wasn't gonna cause me to quit posting like Gatlin. We should all accept others opinions and move on.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I think he should be tried civilly, in a different court. Civil trials require less to find guilty. Then hurt the officer were it hurts most... his wallet. I think any further criminal charges are futile.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
And vice versa.
I turned you back on. I don't like being threatened. Carry on.
Carry on. In the foul mood you were in yesterday, you didn't like anything. You made that evident. I am glad I was able to serve as your lightning rod and be an effective release for your blitz. It’s nice to know that you are feeling better. I did watch your cool down period during your exchange with GrandIsland. You should thank him for his patience and understanding. He made sense, I got the feeling that you were listening to it.
We can accept the decision. But that doesn't mean we can't complain or disagree with it. Of course it's our right to do both... but we didn't hear the facts of this case. We didn't sit through all the testimony or evidence. So just how constructive is that complaint... as apposed to the importance of the high degree of proof needed to CONSTITUTIONALLY BE FOUND GUILTY? I took some time off last evening (wink-wink) to consider your post here. I gave it a lot of thought and came up with the following. Emotional reasoning is considered to be one of the most easily recognized thinking errors, it will show up when you allow your emotion to be substituted for evidence. One of the biggest challenges for you when falling into the emotional reasoning trap is that far too often you take emotional sensations and desires at face value and assume they must be true. If you are not careful when responding to a situation, you will let emotional reasoning be the cognitive process to cause you to believe what you are feeling is an accurate representation. Listening, understanding and waiting to get detailed facts are more important than prematurely reacting. A premature reactive response invariably has nothing to do with logic or intelligence, it mostly has to do with a lack of understanding where you don’t actually think, consider or even plan….you just recoil. Rather than managing your emotions at that point, you find that all of a sudden your emotions are running the show. More often that not, with dire results. When relating this to a judicial court case, you can rely on emotional reasoning by not ever consciously realizing the absence of a multitude of evidence that was presented only to the judge. You can faulty base your emotional reasoning on a few paragraphs from a single news article to arrive at a decision you feel is valid. In the heat of the moment during your emotional reasoning, do not tend to become excited and run the risk of ignoring the consequences of your actions. It will never help if your actions lead to unforeseen circumstances. Thus, it helps to cultivate a habit of responding carefully even in times of crisis or in the middle of an argument. It takes a good amount of introspection and practice to gain the habit of responding during testing times. It is important to always remember that emotional reasoning is highly insidious, and that erroneous messages can cause you to react, rather than respond constructively. Breaking the habit of using emotional reasoning can be difficult. Learn not to believe everything you think of feel, just because you think or feel it. Gatlin
Drama queen. Get over yourself.
I see. You don't know why the cops decided to kill them. They just did. Because of that, these two sped away. And this makes sense to you?
The reason folks here think you're a giant douche is because of posts like the one you just displayed here. Give it a frigging rest already you bloody net nanny. For crying out loud, just stop lecturing people and pretending you're smarter than everyone else. You're not, you pompous, arrogant old coot.
It should come as no surprise to you, but I really don’t give a damn what a couple of drug user lowlifes who are morally unacceptable by their community think about me, that of course includes you. I do what I want to do and I say what I want to say….and I do both when I want to.
Then put me in your will.
There is purpose in drama. By understanding drama, you can learn to understand anyone at anytime and anywhere. Learn to use drama and it will give you the opportunity to hone your improvisation skills. Use improvisation as an excellent spontaneous response to new and unexpected situations in life. After all, life is nothing more than improvisation and improvisation in nothing but drama. Start studying drama and you will receive a lot of personal benefits. It will help you to build self-confidence and develop better interpersonal skills….both of which are obviously dearly missing in your life. Don’t sell something short because you don’t have the foresight to see the good qualities in it.
Not so funny, I actually gave that a passing thought. You just keep remembering, I am watching you all the time. You are doing okay, so far....keep it up.
This is a written notice to inform you of a 7-day social relations contact timeout imposed on you as the consequence of your poor attitude and bad behavior. Consequently, you will be placed on bozo starting at 2400 hours today. This corrective action probably means I cannot receive "LF Mail" from you. Therefore, should you need to get in touch with me for administrative purpose during the time of your disciplinary shunning, you can do so through email addressed to tpaine@sharklasers.com. ---- gatlin Perhaps now that gatlin is over his snit fit, he can explain his effort to involve me in his comical bullshit? I'll hold my breath while I wait for a reply....
Sonny, nothing ever hits me in the ass. If you haven’t learned that by now, then you are dumber and more gullible that I ever imagined. I “failed” at nothing. I knew exactly what I was doing at all times. I did exactly what I set out to do and that was to come to an understanding. That obviously happened, judging from the exchange. Leave the canary alone. A canary is smart. Albeit, that it will “act” a little crazy at times….but never retarded.
Good idea, you continue to do that. I'll get back to you when I have time. Keep on holding your breath...
Perhaps now that gatlin is over his snit fit, he can explain his effort to involve me in his comical bullshit? I'll hold my breath while I wait for a (rational) reply.... True to form, all you can do is post more bullshit. You're LF's site clown, and you're proud of it...
I’m good at clowning around…but then I am good at everything I do. But I am more proud to be: Did all you potheads catch the first line of that song?
At least he finally took the time to do the research that explains what is wrong with him.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
I for one am glad you're back. Just remember, it's the Internet. It's just words. Nothing can hurt or harm you. It's not what Deckard claims you are but who you KNOW you are. I preach "thicker skin" 24/7. A persons freedoms and liberty to speak is far more important than your feelings. Let what most say roll off you like water off a duck. For when you quit posting out of frustration... the AGENDAS win by having free reign to make Stones forum an echo chamber for the Timmy McVeighs.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
The guy in the selfie is much too young to be yukkie, may be one of his kin though??
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
SPEOE noun, pronounced "Spee-Oh" acronym for Self Proclaimed Expert On Everything The annoying know-it-all in everyone's social circle, or quasi-member thereof, who always insists on one-upping the person controlling a current conversation with useless factoids or name-dropping to make himself appear more knowledgable or superior to the audience in question. Considers himself (herself) the perfect candidate for "Jeopardy"
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Or maybe this one... “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Or maybe this one... “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
#53. To: Gatlin, Y'ALL (#51)
during the time of your disciplinary shunning, you can do so through email addressed to tpaine@sharklasers.com.
#54. To: misterwhite (#43)
(Edited)
Oh? Why they were trying to kill them, do you know?
#55. To: A K A Stone (#21)
I'll have to disagree with you on this one. Our system may have been set u this way. But when it gets something wrong it is no reason to smile or celebrate.
#56. To: A K A Stone (#46)
Cops should never be allowed a trial by judge.
#57. To: Percy Misanthrope (#38)
Isn't it ironic that some people who squawk about the # of shots the cop fired want no such restriction (correctly so) on themselves?
#58. To: All, GrandIsland (#28)
If someone unloaded an ak47 into Michael Brelos head. That wouldn't be murder?
#59. To: GrandIsland (#56)
Cops should never be allowed a trial by judge. Cops should have the same constitutional standards as and shitbird drug dealer.
#60. To: GrandIsland (#55)
I'd have to disagree with you. I live by the system that's put in place. Our forefathers were especially geniuses when it came to setting the foundation for our criminal justice standards. So, when OJ obviously hacks up two people and walks... good for him. Shitbirds always get what they deserve sooner or later... he got his. When Zimmerman walked... good for him. When that fella in Florida walked from an obvious drug crime through jury nullification... GOOD FOR HIM. The drug warriors celebrated.... and I accepted the courts decision.
#61. To: GrandIsland (#55)
et's be fair Stone... nobody is celebrating that this officer ended a life.
#62. To: A K A Stone (#58)
Let me answer my own question since no one took the bait. Yes it would be murder. So why isn't it in this case?
#63. To: Gatlin (#51)
Consequently, you will be placed on bozo starting at 2400 hours today.
#64. To: GrandIsland, Gatlin (#55)
If you feel I'm not moral, so be it.
#65. To: GrandIsland (#62)
Because he was found not guilty. Our system isn't perfect... but it's closer to perfect than any other criminal justice system...
#66. To: Fred Mertz (#63)
#67. To: Fred Mertz (#63)
#68. To: A K A Stone (#60)
We can accept the decision. But that doesn't mean we can't complain or disagree with it.
#69. To: A K A Stone (#64)
#70. To: A K A Stone (#65)
(Edited)
#71. To: GrandIsland (#69)
Well I'm sure there are many areas I maybe less moral than you.
#72. To: Gatlin (#51)
#73. To: A K A Stone (#72)
(Edited)
I turned you back on. I don't like being threatened.
#74. To: GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#68)
Emotional Reasoning Fallacy.
#75. To: Gatlin, emotional reasoning (#74)
tend to become excited and run the risk of ignoring the consequences
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#76. To: rlk (#54)
I don't know. Neither does anyone else with certainty.
#77. To: Gatlin (#74)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#78. To: Deckard (#77)
(Edited)
The reason folks here think you're a giant douche is because of posts like the one you just displayed here.
… you pompous, arrogant old coot.
… a wealthy and handsome one too.
#79. To: Gatlin (#78)
… a wealthy and handsome one too.
#80. To: hondo68 (#75)
#81. To: A K A Stone (#79)
#82. To: Gatlin (#51)
To: A K A Stone
#83. To: hondo68, A K A Stone (#40)
Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
…FAILED!
LOLAY, retarded canary.
#84. To: tpaine (#82)
I'll hold my breath while I wait for a reply....
#85. To: Gatlin (#84)
--- should you need to get in touch with me for administrative purpose during the time of your disciplinary shunning, you can do so through email addressed to tpaine@sharklasers.com. ---- gatlin
Good idea, you continue to do that. I'll get back to you when I have time. Keep on holding your breath...
#86. To: tpaine (#85)
You're LF's site clown, and you're proud of it...
#87. To: tpaine (#85)
Emotional Reasoning Fallacy.
#88. To: Gatlin (#74)
#89. To: A K A Stone (#48)
I think you're Yukon. I could be wrong though.
#90. To: tpaine (#85)
True to form, all you can do is post more bullshit. You're LF's site clown, and you're proud of it...
#91. To: tpaine (#85)
(Edited)
True to form, all you can do is post more bullshit. You're LF's site clown, and you're proud of it...
#92. To: tpaine (#85)
(Edited)
True to form, all you can do is post more bullshit. You're LF's site clown, and you're proud of it...
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