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Title: The GOP Is Dying Off. Literally.
Source: Politico
URL Source: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st ... 8035.html?hp=t2_r#.VVnQK_lVhHx
Published: May 17, 2015
Author: DANIEL J. MCGRAW
Post Date: 2015-05-18 07:50:21 by Jameson
Keywords: Old Angry, White, Guys
Views: 26954
Comments: 128

It turns out that one of the Grand Old Party’s biggest—and least discussed—challenges going into 2016 is lying in plain sight, written right into the party’s own nickname.

The Republican Party voter is old—and getting older, and as the adage goes, there are two certainties in life: Death and taxes. Right now, both are enemies of the GOP and they might want to worry more about the former than the latter.

There’s been much written about how millennials are becoming a reliable voting bloc for Democrats, but there’s been much less attention paid to one of the biggest get-out-the-vote challenges for the Republican Party heading into the next presidential election: Hundreds of thousands of their traditional core supporters won’t be able to turn out to vote at all. The party’s core is dying off by the day.

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#2. To: Jameson (#0)

The GOP represents crony capitalists. That's its core. Those are the people who always get everything that want out of the GOP.

To get the votes and the seats to advance that agenda, the GOP has in contemporary times made allies with militarists and pro-life Christians, gun nuts and other so-called "conservative" causes.

The problem, though, is that crony capitalists in general are liberal rich people, so they WANT abortion rights, and gun control, and open borders, and they want government contracts but not full-on wars to victory that require tax hikes.

And, because the Republicans always do the bidding of the crony capitalists, who are really liberal on social issues, the result has been that the systematic betrayal of the Christian pro-lifers, the Borderbots, the gun nuts and the soldiery. Republicans only fight to the death for one thing: low taxes on the rich (and contracts for cronies). Everything else is negotiable.

Net result? The crony capitalists are intensely loyal to the GOP base, but others have left, stayed home, given up.

And it isn't as though Mexicans, or young people, or really, anybody, is flocking into the GOP.

It's time for a new party. Crony capitalism has a death grip on the Republican Party that cannot be, and will never be, pried loose.

People have two choices: form a new party, or satisfy themselves with Democrat rule.

I'm not satisfied with Democrat rule. I want to see a third party. But Republican rule is godawful and old people are stubborn. So we're going to get Hillary.

Oh well.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-18   8:13:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

I'm not satisfied with Democrat rule. I want to see a third party. But Republican rule is godawful and old people are stubborn. So we're going to get Hillary.

But you mostly sing the praises of Blue state Dem ideology. It's a constant theme in your writing.

You like the Dems. You're only squeamish about abortion but not enough to do anything about it. So you object but not all that much.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-18   8:22:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TooConservative (#3) (Edited)

But you mostly sing the praises of Blue state Dem ideology. It's a constant theme in your writing.

You like the Dems. You're only squeamish about abortion but not enough to do anything about it. So you object but not all that much.

Well, Too, see, it's like this.

Somewhere else you posted that Catholics never do anything politically. That is not true.

Catholics are nothing if not confident in their theology. And Catholic fundamentalist theology is fundamentally different from the Calvinist Protestant theology that dominated America until the big waves of Catholic immigration took over the large Northern cities in the early to mid-20th Century.

Protestants are insecure, so they attack Catholics a lot. Catholics are secure, and generally ignore it.

So here's a primer in Catholic religion for you, Too. Catholic voting patterns fit the religion.

The fundamentals of Catholicism are the things Jesus said to do: baptism, confession and penance, the eucharist, marriage, anointing the sick, caring for the poor and the sick and the orphan.

Catholics don't think it's a Church obligations. Protestants have made a bifurcation between "Church" and "State", and Protestants are legalists, so it's a big deal. Also, Protestants believe in Calvinist "Election" - the well-to-do have money as a reward; the poor are poor because they are not elect. Poverty is an indication of moral fault, according to Protestants. According to Catholics, poverty is an indication of societal evil.

How can I say, then, that Catholics don't think that poverty relief and education and orphanages and the like is not a Church obligation, given that the Catholics do more of that worldwide than the United Nations, and are by far the largest source of it in America too? Because Catholics think it's a HUMAN obligation, binding on all.

Protestants bifurcate Church and State - the CHURCH does thus and so, but the STATE does different things. But Catholics believe that the state is just made up of people, and people have the obligation to Christian charity in ALL things they do, including their exercises of political authority.

Therefore, it is obvious to Catholics that the government, being the biggest organization of people around, should be using its power to educate, to heal the sick, to feed and house the poor. Everything that the Church does, Catholics believe that ALL Churches, Temples and governments ought to be doing.

People should not be accumulating vast masses of money, and if they do, they should be putting much of that money to use taking care of the poor.

That is best done, Catholics believe, on the individual level, the family level, the church level, the community level, the state level, the national level and the international level. ALL levels of human governance and organization should ALL be engaged in poverty relief, all the time. That is the primary role of human economics, according to Catholics.

THEREFORE, Catholics support a heavy Church infrastructure, with Catholic schools, orphanages, health clinics, soup kitchen, immigrant services, hospitals and parish churches everywhere in the world. AND Catholic voters ALSO support a heavy social safety net, paid for by government, to do the same things: universal public education, not threadbare but robust, universal health care, Social Security, Unemployment benefits - Catholics fully support all of these things.

As for paying for them, Catholics know that all money belongs to God. No man owns any property. All money is God's money. Men are merely stewards of it. God commanded that that money be used for poverty relief. Therefore, Catholics simply ignore the arguments that charity is optional. No, it's not optional. It's a commandment of God. For the rich to pretend that it's THEIR money and they can do as they please with it is false. It's God's money, God already said what must be done with it, as long as there is poverty, and Catholics have always believed that government is from God, and that men in government have been given the sword by God to enforce God's laws.

Therefore, progressive taxation to support social states that greatly strengthen the social safety net that the Catholics also try to provide is viewed as a religious imperative. So, while Protestants have arguments about public and private, Catholics think that it's all God's, that nothing is private, and that of course governments not only must perform social welfare and justice - because governments are made of men - but that God gave governments the sword to compel social welfare transfers from those who would steal God's money and hoard it and refuse to use it as God commanded.

It's not YOUR money. It's GOD'S money. Every penny of it. If you're hoarding it and opposing social welfare, you are stealing God's money. Of course the magistrates may intervene, with taxes and the sword, to extract from you the portion of God's money that the people have determined is needed, and use it for the purposes God commands.

Catholics feel that the social welfare state is a divine obligation, and that refusing to support it is a defiance of God, and stealing from God.

Now, of course, Protestants say that this is socialism, that ONLY private charity is really charity, blah, blah, blah. That's what Protestants think. Catholics think that's nonsense. And Catholics legislate their beliefs. Jews are very similar in their beliefs.

Where Catholics and Jews differ is over abortion.

Abortion is ONE aspect of the evils of society. But tearing down the social safety net would kill more people through starvation and disease and poverty than abortion does. So Catholics split over party, with more going Democrat than Republican, because Republicans are mean-spirited, greedy rich people who want to screw the poor, and who DO screw the poor whenever they get power.

Also, Republicans have had power, and did nothing about abortion when they had it, so it isn't even a tradeoff.

You bellow at me, Too, as though I am ignorant. But actually, I come from an immensely old, immensely strong faith tradition, for whom the United States is but a new and transient thing - a think that started Protestant and quite evil, with the murder of Indians and enslavement of blacks, but that has become better.

In 1932, FDR was able to become President and institute the New Deal in part because the Catholics united behind him for social welfare. That has remained the case.

I detest the Democrat Party because they are babykillers. I detest the Republican Party because they are thieves who ignore God's law concerning poverty and the proper uses of wealth.

IF the Republicans actually used their power, which they've always had, to strike down Roe and end abortion, I would stick with them EVEN THOUGH I think they are deeply sinful on matters of money, because I think saving babies' lives is more important.

But the fact is that Republicans put Roe in place, have always had the power to strike it down, and don't. So they're no pro-life: they're liars. THe people who vote for them because they're pro-life are just dupes.

Of course I don't vote for Democrats because they are babykillers, but Democrats, at least, understand the necessity for universal public education, labor protection, Social Security and universal health insurance. Republicans lie about abortion and actively seek to gut social welfare.

In general, therefore, I think that the Catholics have by and large made the right decision by splitting on abortion, but being mostly Democrat. I do think that Catholic politicians who overtly support abortion should be excommunicated.

Now, what I think ought to happen is that the Catholics should be the leaders for a new party that is socially conservative (pro-life, no gay marriage), fiscally liberal: preserve and improve the social welfare state, and anti-imperialist, seeking peace abroad.

Neither party offers that, and I think that a lot of people would come out of both parties for that.

So, you're always bellyaching at me as though I'm an ignoramus, Too. But Catholics are not ignorant. We came into this country as minorities and were hated. We have been told all along that we have to choose sides within the system. We have chosen, instead, to take over the system and reshape America according to Catholic values.

Mexican immigration allows that to continue apace.

If the choice is between pro-life or social welfare, the answer is to reject that choice and reject the offer of it, and insist on both pro-life AND social welfare. The Democrats give social welfare. The Republicans hate social welfare, AND they don't do anything about abortion either, even though they have the power to.

Which means that Democrats are in general better overall from a Catholic viewpoint than Republicans.

If Republicans actually used their power to strike down abortion that would change things. But it's clear that they'll never do any such thing.

The Republicans lost my allegiance when Bush tried to foist Harriet Miers on the Court, and the Bush brothers and the Republican Congress and Republican Federal judiciary all stood by and let Terri Schiavo be murdered during Easter week.

Republicans are liars who connive at babykilling and who steal God's money. Democrats are babykillers who strongly support the social safety net.

You say that I don't do anything about abortion. There's nothing I personally CAN do about abortion. Voting and supporting Republicans is obviously totally worthless in that regard. A Republican Supreme Court GAVE US Roe, and the Supreme Court has been Republican ever since. They always could strike it down. They won't. Every member has been replaced. All the Republicans are new - and the Republicans applied no pro-life litmus test the way the Democrats apply a pro-abortion litmus test.

Which means that the Republicans just want the Christian votes and lie about being pro-life, but are in fact pro-choice as a party.

Protestants, characteristically, are emotional, stupid and hysterical, so they get stampeded by the Republicans and vote for them. Catholics are smarter, see the bigger truth, and vote for social welfare when they vote for Democrats, because they know that NEITHER party is going to protect babies.

So we have social welfare, at least. The Republicans would destroy THAT, and STILL not overturn Roe.

You say that's the way it is. But I say that the reason we have social welfare and desegregation is because the Know-Nothings were right: the Catholics came in and started to reshape the country to our values. As our numbers grew, Americans became more and more of a social welfare state. Those are Catholic values. Immigration and demographic trends means that we did change the country and will continue to do so, and to safeguard the changes we achieved.

Abortion is the final frontier. That will take more time to address, and maybe people are too weak to ever address it. We already know that Republicans are.

That's too bad. But the Republicans are not the better choice because they lie about it. They're the worse choice because in addition to giving the country Roe, they also want to unravel the social safety net. It was the Catholic vote that gave us a social safety net - the Northern urban vote that went for FDR was the Democrats. And the Catholic vote will continue to grow and grow, and will support the social safety net and repair, not repeal Obamacare.

That's the current fight: Obamacare. Catholics support it. Therefore, universal medical insurance is a fait accompli, and will remain so.

So, you look and see somebody who is foolish because he won't join your cause, which you say is the only game in town. But I say that Catholics have been changing the game ever since we started immigrating, and that we will continue to do so. Rather than ally with the bad guys - the greedy ones who want to steal God's money - I prefer to sit aside and wait. Political parties think in election cycles. The Catholic Church thinks in centuries.

I'll close with a line from a musical that was popular in the 1980s:

"The actress hasn't learned the lines you'd like to hear. She won't join your clubs. She won't dance in your halls. She would help the hungry once a month at your tombolas. She'll simply take control as you disappear." - Evita.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-18   10:38:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#13)

TL;DR

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-18   10:49:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: TooConservative (#18)

TL DR

Then you lose. Catholics move in centuries. Lots of thoughts. And they don't change to suit the locals. They breed and take over. If you don't want to read about it, just sit back and watch it continue to happen, in living color, on your TV screen, over the course of the rest of your life. The good news is that Social Security and Medicare - especially that - will be with you and your wife at the end when you really need it. That's because Catholics sided with FDR and the Dems ever since, and made for a reasonable social safety net. You'd like to pull it apart, but you can't because we're too strong, and getting stronger. And changing the country to suit us.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-18   10:53:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter (#21)

And they don't change to suit the locals. They breed and take over.

Don't make me laugh.

The Vatican could get nuked and Europe would yawn. Or cheer.

You could close every Catholic church in Europe and there'd be little excitement.

The US is going the same direction. Catholics who are functional Protestants. I would insist we have already reached that point. We are well beyond "reservations of conscience" and have a very large plurality of "Catholics" who defy the pope and their bishops and refute the Church's entire body of doctrine at will. We see it with abortion and sodomy marriage the most clearly. Neither would be possible with the complicity of Blue state Catholics (people like you and your neighbors).

I have a pretty good idea of who you are worshiping with.

Mexico and the South American countries are increasingly moving in the same direction. Africa will remain as Catholicism's last heartland but it will likely lose to Islam there (or fight to a draw), just as Rome has been utterly defeated (again) in the Mideast. And the prospects of China allowing Catholicism to bloom (and with considerable potential) seem dismal, both now and well into the future.

This pope is a historic calamity for Rome. Not that I mind. I would say he is a harbinger of Rome's final collapse as a real power and an authority.

So spare me the chorus of The Church, Militant and Triumphant.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-18   11:18:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#26)

The US is going the same direction. Catholics who are functional Protestants. I would insist we have already reached that point. We are well beyond "reservations of conscience" and have a very large plurality of "Catholics" who defy the pope and their bishops and refute the Church's entire body of doctrine at will. We see it with abortion and sodomy marriage the most clearly. Neither would be possible with the complicity of Blue state Catholics (people like you and your neighbors).

I have a pretty good idea of who you are worshiping with.

Mexico and the South American countries are increasingly moving in the same direction. Africa will remain as Catholicism's last heartland but it will likely lose to Islam there (or fight to a draw), just as Rome has been utterly defeated (again) in the Mideast. And the prospects of China allowing Catholicism to bloom (and with considerable potential) seem dismal, both now and well into the future.

Some stats a poster at another site compiled. He links most of them.

Between 2000 and 2004, the net gain (the number of new churches minus the closed churches) in the number of evangelical churches was 5,452, but mainline and Catholic churches closed more than they started for a net loss of 2,200, while a net gain of 13,024 churches was necessary to keep up with the U.S. population growth. At those rates, by 2050, the percentage of the U.S. population attending church will be almost half of what it was in 1990. http://www.churchleaders.com/pastors/pastor-articles/139575-7-startling-facts- an-up-close-look-at-church-attendance-in-america.html

In numbers (not percentage), Catholicism, which lists 68.1 million in the US, has experienced “the greatest net loss” of any major religious group. members. The 'had it' Catholics,” National Catholic Reporter ,Oct. 11, 2001, based on reports from the 2008 Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey and the National Council of Churches’ 2010 Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches.

68% of those raised Roman Catholic still are Catholic (higher than the retention rates of individual Protestant denoms, but less than Jews at 76%). 15% are now Protestant (9% evangelical); 14% are unaffiliated. Pew forum, Faith in Flux (April 27, 2009) http://pewforum.org/uploadedfiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/fullreport.pdf

80% of adults who were raised Protestant are still Protestant, but (analysis shows) 25% no longer self-identify with the Protestant denomination in which they were raised. ^

44 percent of Americans have switched religious affiliations since childhood, mostly mainline Protestants. 7% who were raised Protestant are now unaffiliated; 15% now belong to a different Protestant faith. ^

51% of Protestants from a different Protestant denomination cite a lack of spiritual fulfillment as a reason for leaving their childhood faith. 85% say they joined their current denominational faith because they enjoy the services and style of worship. Only 15% left say they left because they stopped believing in its teachings. ^

Those who have left Catholicism outnumber those who have joined the Catholic Church by nearly a four-to-one margin. 10.1% have left the Catholic Church after having been raised Catholic, while only 2.6% of adults have become Catholic after having been raised in a different faith.^

4% of Americans raised Catholic are now unaffiliated; 5% are now Protestant. ^

Over 75% of those who left Catholicism attended Mass at least once a week as children, versus 86% having done so who remain Catholics today.^

Regarding reasons for leaving Catholicism, less than 30% of former Catholics agreed that the clergy sexual abuse scandal played a role in their departure. ^

71% of converts from Catholicism to Protestant faith said that their spiritual needs were not being met in Catholicism, with 78% of Evangelical Protestants in particular concurring, versus 43% of those now unaffiliated. ^

Only 23% (20% now evangelical) of all Protestants converts from Catholicism said they were unhappy about Catholicism's teachings on abortion/homosexuality (versus 46% of those now unaffiliated); 23% also expressed disagreement with teaching on divorce/remarriage; 16% (12% now evangelical) were dissatisfied with teachings on birth control, 70% said they found a religion the liked more in Protestantism.

55% of evangelical converts from Catholicism cited dissatisfaction with Catholic teachings about the Bible was a reason for leaving Catholicism, with 46% saying the Catholic Church did not view the Bible literally enough.

81% of all Protestant converts from Catholicism said they enjoyed the service and worship of Protestant faith as a reason for joining a Protestant denomination, with 62% of all Protestants and 74% Evangelicals also saying that they felt God's call to do so. ^

42% of those now unaffiliated stated they do not believe in God, or most religious teaching. ^

54% of “millennial generation” Catholics (born in 1982 or later) are Hispanics, while 39% are non-Hispanic whites. On the other hand, 76% of “pre-Vatican II generation” Catholics (born 1943 or earlier) are non-Hispanic whites, while 15% are Hispanics. Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) at Georgetown University, September, 2010 . http://www.osv.com/tabid/7621/itemid/6850/Openers-More-evidence-of-the-browning- of-US-Cat.aspx

68% of all Latinos in the U.S. identify as Catholics. Changing Faiths: Latinos and the Transformation of American Religion http://pewforum.org/Changing-Faiths- Latinos-and-the-Transformation-of-American-Religion.aspx Baylor Institute for Studies of Religion - American Piety in the 21 Century – 9-2006 http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php/33304.pdf

Among Catholics under the age of 30, 47% are white, and 45% are Latino. In contrast, among Catholics over the age of 65, 82% are white (Pew Forum 2007, reported in http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Catholics- and-LGBT-Issues-Survey-Report.pdf)

Latinos comprised 32 percent of all U.S. Catholics in 2008, versus to 20 percent in 1990. However, Catholic identification has slipped from 66 percent in 1990 to 60 percent in 2008. There has also been a significant rise in the number of Latinos who do not adhere to a religion. The longer a Latino has lived in the United States, the less likely he or she is to be Catholic. Study of Secularism in Society and Culture at Trinity College, http://theamericano.com/2010/03/18/new-report-on-u-s-latino-religious- identification/

18% of all Latinos say they have either converted from one religion to another or to no religion at all. http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/75.4.pdf

1,000 Mexicans left the Catholic Church every day between 2000 and 2010, a decline that has continued uninterrupted over the past 60 years, from 98.21 of the population to 83.9 percent today. Latin American Herald Tribune, March 10, 2011, based upon census data and study by sociologist and historian Roberto Blancarte of Colegio de Mexico and the National Autonomous University of Mexico

The percentage of of Protestants and Evangelicals rose from 1.28% in 1950 to close to 8% of the total population in 2010, (excluding so-called Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons). 5.2 million say they profess no religion. ^

This decline is seen as extending across the region (Catholics represent between 55% to 73% in Central America, 70% in Brazil, 50% in Cuba and Uruguay).^

Brazil’s National Statistics Institute reported that the number of evangelical Christians in Brazil (the world’s largest Catholic country) has risen from 15% of the population in 2000 to to 22% of the population in 2010, and 4% 40 years ago, while the proportion of Catholic Brazilians fell from 93.% of Brazilians 40 years ago, and 74% of the population in 2000 to to 65% in 2010. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/29/ratio-of-evangelicals-in-brazil-jumps- 44-in-10-years/

Almost 20% of all Latino American Catholics have left the Roman Catholicism, with 23 percent of second-generation Latino Americans doing so. http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php/33304.pdf

54% of Hispanic Catholics describe themselves as charismatic Christians. http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=75

51% of Hispanic Evangelicals are converts, and 43% are former Catholics. ^

82% of Hispanics cite the desire for a more direct, personal experience with God as the main reason for adopting a new faith. Among those who have become evangelicals, 90% say it was a spiritual search for a more direct, personal experience with God was the main reason that drove their conversion. Negative views of Catholicism do not appear to be a major reason for their conversion. ^

Latino evangelicals are more than 20 percentage points more likely than Catholics to say that abortion should be illegal in most or all circumstances. http://www.nhclc.org/news/latino-religion-us-demographic-shifts-and-trend

The first generation of Latino immigrants is 74 percent Catholic, and 15 percent Protestant. The second generation is 72 percent Catholic, and 20 percent Protestant. The third generation is 62 percent Catholic, and 29 percent Protestant. ^

According to the Census Bureau, the Latino population in the United States grew from 22.4 million in 1990 to 41.3 million in 2004, adding a staggering 18.9 million people in 10 years. Broader estimates, which include Puerto Rican islanders (4 million) and undocumented immigrants (5 million), put the U.S. Latino population at over 50 million. ^

In 2003, Latinos surpassed African-Americans as the largest minority group in the United States. Latinos now represent about 14 percent of the U.S. population. This growth is a result of both immigration and high domestic birth rates. About 53 percent of all immigrants to the United States come from Latin America. Mexicans and Mexican-Americans make up 58 percent of all foreign born Latin-American immigrants.

More here:

http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html#DEMOGRAPHICS

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-18   12:16:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#35)

18% of all Latinos say they have either converted from one religion to another or to no religion at all. http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/75.4.pdf

1,000 Mexicans left the Catholic Church every day between 2000 and 2010, a decline that has continued uninterrupted over the past 60 years, from 98.21 of the population to 83.9 percent today. Latin American Herald Tribune, March 10, 2011, based upon census data and study by sociologist and historian Roberto Blancarte of Colegio de Mexico and the National Autonomous University of Mexico

Nice stat assembly.

A picture emerges quite contrary to that which Vic has nursed fondly for years of how the Catholic immigrant vote is going to win the battle for pro-life, revitalize American Catholicism and finally dispatch those pesky Calvinists to the dustbin of history.

In truth, Catholicism is contracting with no signs of recovery and particularly so among the Hispanic cohort in which Vic placed such high hopes in his posts over the years at LP.

And the apostate American Catholics infected the Latin Catholics with their liberalism and disobedience to Rome, exporting their apostate lifestyle as "Catholics" to Latin and South America, furthering the rot within Rome's domains around the world.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-18   14:22:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#45. To: TooConservative (#44)

In truth, Catholicism is contracting with no signs of recovery and particularly so among the Hispanic cohort in which Vic placed such high hopes in his posts over the years at LP.

The numbers also show 'established' Protestant denominations contracting as well.

It seems large established churches are losing members who really go to church to worship and fellowship with other believers.

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