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In Day of the Lord, 24 Church Elders with Crowns Join Jesus in His Throne Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: The GOP Is Dying Off. Literally. Source: Politico URL Source: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st ... 8035.html?hp=t2_r#.VVnQK_lVhHx Published: May 17, 2015 Author: DANIEL J. MCGRAW Post Date: 2015-05-18 07:50:21 by Jameson Keywords: Old Angry, White, Guys Views: 27090 Comments: 128 It turns out that one of the Grand Old Party’s biggest—and least discussed—challenges going into 2016 is lying in plain sight, written right into the party’s own nickname. The Republican Party voter is old—and getting older, and as the adage goes, there are two certainties in life: Death and taxes. Right now, both are enemies of the GOP and they might want to worry more about the former than the latter. There’s been much written about how millennials are becoming a reliable voting bloc for Democrats, but there’s been much less attention paid to one of the biggest get-out-the-vote challenges for the Republican Party heading into the next presidential election: Hundreds of thousands of their traditional core supporters won’t be able to turn out to vote at all. The party’s core is dying off by the day. Read more: www.politico.com/magazine...118035.html#ixzz3aURTGXqk Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 13. #2. To: Jameson (#0) The GOP represents crony capitalists. That's its core. Those are the people who always get everything that want out of the GOP. To get the votes and the seats to advance that agenda, the GOP has in contemporary times made allies with militarists and pro-life Christians, gun nuts and other so-called "conservative" causes. The problem, though, is that crony capitalists in general are liberal rich people, so they WANT abortion rights, and gun control, and open borders, and they want government contracts but not full-on wars to victory that require tax hikes. And, because the Republicans always do the bidding of the crony capitalists, who are really liberal on social issues, the result has been that the systematic betrayal of the Christian pro-lifers, the Borderbots, the gun nuts and the soldiery. Republicans only fight to the death for one thing: low taxes on the rich (and contracts for cronies). Everything else is negotiable. Net result? The crony capitalists are intensely loyal to the GOP base, but others have left, stayed home, given up. And it isn't as though Mexicans, or young people, or really, anybody, is flocking into the GOP. It's time for a new party. Crony capitalism has a death grip on the Republican Party that cannot be, and will never be, pried loose. People have two choices: form a new party, or satisfy themselves with Democrat rule. I'm not satisfied with Democrat rule. I want to see a third party. But Republican rule is godawful and old people are stubborn. So we're going to get Hillary. Oh well. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-18   8:13:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Vicomte13 (#2) I'm not satisfied with Democrat rule. I want to see a third party. But Republican rule is godawful and old people are stubborn. So we're going to get Hillary. But you mostly sing the praises of Blue state Dem ideology. It's a constant theme in your writing. You like the Dems. You're only squeamish about abortion but not enough to do anything about it. So you object but not all that much. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-18   8:22:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: TooConservative (#3) (Edited) But you mostly sing the praises of Blue state Dem ideology. It's a constant theme in your writing. You like the Dems. You're only squeamish about abortion but not enough to do anything about it. So you object but not all that much. Well, Too, see, it's like this. Somewhere else you posted that Catholics never do anything politically. That is not true. Catholics are nothing if not confident in their theology. And Catholic fundamentalist theology is fundamentally different from the Calvinist Protestant theology that dominated America until the big waves of Catholic immigration took over the large Northern cities in the early to mid-20th Century. Protestants are insecure, so they attack Catholics a lot. Catholics are secure, and generally ignore it. So here's a primer in Catholic religion for you, Too. Catholic voting patterns fit the religion. The fundamentals of Catholicism are the things Jesus said to do: baptism, confession and penance, the eucharist, marriage, anointing the sick, caring for the poor and the sick and the orphan. Catholics don't think it's a Church obligations. Protestants have made a bifurcation between "Church" and "State", and Protestants are legalists, so it's a big deal. Also, Protestants believe in Calvinist "Election" - the well-to-do have money as a reward; the poor are poor because they are not elect. Poverty is an indication of moral fault, according to Protestants. According to Catholics, poverty is an indication of societal evil. How can I say, then, that Catholics don't think that poverty relief and education and orphanages and the like is not a Church obligation, given that the Catholics do more of that worldwide than the United Nations, and are by far the largest source of it in America too? Because Catholics think it's a HUMAN obligation, binding on all. Protestants bifurcate Church and State - the CHURCH does thus and so, but the STATE does different things. But Catholics believe that the state is just made up of people, and people have the obligation to Christian charity in ALL things they do, including their exercises of political authority. Therefore, it is obvious to Catholics that the government, being the biggest organization of people around, should be using its power to educate, to heal the sick, to feed and house the poor. Everything that the Church does, Catholics believe that ALL Churches, Temples and governments ought to be doing. People should not be accumulating vast masses of money, and if they do, they should be putting much of that money to use taking care of the poor. That is best done, Catholics believe, on the individual level, the family level, the church level, the community level, the state level, the national level and the international level. ALL levels of human governance and organization should ALL be engaged in poverty relief, all the time. That is the primary role of human economics, according to Catholics. THEREFORE, Catholics support a heavy Church infrastructure, with Catholic schools, orphanages, health clinics, soup kitchen, immigrant services, hospitals and parish churches everywhere in the world. AND Catholic voters ALSO support a heavy social safety net, paid for by government, to do the same things: universal public education, not threadbare but robust, universal health care, Social Security, Unemployment benefits - Catholics fully support all of these things. As for paying for them, Catholics know that all money belongs to God. No man owns any property. All money is God's money. Men are merely stewards of it. God commanded that that money be used for poverty relief. Therefore, Catholics simply ignore the arguments that charity is optional. No, it's not optional. It's a commandment of God. For the rich to pretend that it's THEIR money and they can do as they please with it is false. It's God's money, God already said what must be done with it, as long as there is poverty, and Catholics have always believed that government is from God, and that men in government have been given the sword by God to enforce God's laws. Therefore, progressive taxation to support social states that greatly strengthen the social safety net that the Catholics also try to provide is viewed as a religious imperative. So, while Protestants have arguments about public and private, Catholics think that it's all God's, that nothing is private, and that of course governments not only must perform social welfare and justice - because governments are made of men - but that God gave governments the sword to compel social welfare transfers from those who would steal God's money and hoard it and refuse to use it as God commanded. It's not YOUR money. It's GOD'S money. Every penny of it. If you're hoarding it and opposing social welfare, you are stealing God's money. Of course the magistrates may intervene, with taxes and the sword, to extract from you the portion of God's money that the people have determined is needed, and use it for the purposes God commands. Catholics feel that the social welfare state is a divine obligation, and that refusing to support it is a defiance of God, and stealing from God. Now, of course, Protestants say that this is socialism, that ONLY private charity is really charity, blah, blah, blah. That's what Protestants think. Catholics think that's nonsense. And Catholics legislate their beliefs. Jews are very similar in their beliefs. Where Catholics and Jews differ is over abortion. Abortion is ONE aspect of the evils of society. But tearing down the social safety net would kill more people through starvation and disease and poverty than abortion does. So Catholics split over party, with more going Democrat than Republican, because Republicans are mean-spirited, greedy rich people who want to screw the poor, and who DO screw the poor whenever they get power. Also, Republicans have had power, and did nothing about abortion when they had it, so it isn't even a tradeoff. You bellow at me, Too, as though I am ignorant. But actually, I come from an immensely old, immensely strong faith tradition, for whom the United States is but a new and transient thing - a think that started Protestant and quite evil, with the murder of Indians and enslavement of blacks, but that has become better. In 1932, FDR was able to become President and institute the New Deal in part because the Catholics united behind him for social welfare. That has remained the case. I detest the Democrat Party because they are babykillers. I detest the Republican Party because they are thieves who ignore God's law concerning poverty and the proper uses of wealth. IF the Republicans actually used their power, which they've always had, to strike down Roe and end abortion, I would stick with them EVEN THOUGH I think they are deeply sinful on matters of money, because I think saving babies' lives is more important. But the fact is that Republicans put Roe in place, have always had the power to strike it down, and don't. So they're no pro-life: they're liars. THe people who vote for them because they're pro-life are just dupes. Of course I don't vote for Democrats because they are babykillers, but Democrats, at least, understand the necessity for universal public education, labor protection, Social Security and universal health insurance. Republicans lie about abortion and actively seek to gut social welfare. In general, therefore, I think that the Catholics have by and large made the right decision by splitting on abortion, but being mostly Democrat. I do think that Catholic politicians who overtly support abortion should be excommunicated. Now, what I think ought to happen is that the Catholics should be the leaders for a new party that is socially conservative (pro-life, no gay marriage), fiscally liberal: preserve and improve the social welfare state, and anti-imperialist, seeking peace abroad. Neither party offers that, and I think that a lot of people would come out of both parties for that. So, you're always bellyaching at me as though I'm an ignoramus, Too. But Catholics are not ignorant. We came into this country as minorities and were hated. We have been told all along that we have to choose sides within the system. We have chosen, instead, to take over the system and reshape America according to Catholic values. Mexican immigration allows that to continue apace. If the choice is between pro-life or social welfare, the answer is to reject that choice and reject the offer of it, and insist on both pro-life AND social welfare. The Democrats give social welfare. The Republicans hate social welfare, AND they don't do anything about abortion either, even though they have the power to. Which means that Democrats are in general better overall from a Catholic viewpoint than Republicans. If Republicans actually used their power to strike down abortion that would change things. But it's clear that they'll never do any such thing. The Republicans lost my allegiance when Bush tried to foist Harriet Miers on the Court, and the Bush brothers and the Republican Congress and Republican Federal judiciary all stood by and let Terri Schiavo be murdered during Easter week. Republicans are liars who connive at babykilling and who steal God's money. Democrats are babykillers who strongly support the social safety net. You say that I don't do anything about abortion. There's nothing I personally CAN do about abortion. Voting and supporting Republicans is obviously totally worthless in that regard. A Republican Supreme Court GAVE US Roe, and the Supreme Court has been Republican ever since. They always could strike it down. They won't. Every member has been replaced. All the Republicans are new - and the Republicans applied no pro-life litmus test the way the Democrats apply a pro-abortion litmus test. Which means that the Republicans just want the Christian votes and lie about being pro-life, but are in fact pro-choice as a party. Protestants, characteristically, are emotional, stupid and hysterical, so they get stampeded by the Republicans and vote for them. Catholics are smarter, see the bigger truth, and vote for social welfare when they vote for Democrats, because they know that NEITHER party is going to protect babies. So we have social welfare, at least. The Republicans would destroy THAT, and STILL not overturn Roe. You say that's the way it is. But I say that the reason we have social welfare and desegregation is because the Know-Nothings were right: the Catholics came in and started to reshape the country to our values. As our numbers grew, Americans became more and more of a social welfare state. Those are Catholic values. Immigration and demographic trends means that we did change the country and will continue to do so, and to safeguard the changes we achieved. Abortion is the final frontier. That will take more time to address, and maybe people are too weak to ever address it. We already know that Republicans are. That's too bad. But the Republicans are not the better choice because they lie about it. They're the worse choice because in addition to giving the country Roe, they also want to unravel the social safety net. It was the Catholic vote that gave us a social safety net - the Northern urban vote that went for FDR was the Democrats. And the Catholic vote will continue to grow and grow, and will support the social safety net and repair, not repeal Obamacare. That's the current fight: Obamacare. Catholics support it. Therefore, universal medical insurance is a fait accompli, and will remain so. So, you look and see somebody who is foolish because he won't join your cause, which you say is the only game in town. But I say that Catholics have been changing the game ever since we started immigrating, and that we will continue to do so. Rather than ally with the bad guys - the greedy ones who want to steal God's money - I prefer to sit aside and wait. Political parties think in election cycles. The Catholic Church thinks in centuries. I'll close with a line from a musical that was popular in the 1980s: "The actress hasn't learned the lines you'd like to hear. She won't join your clubs. She won't dance in your halls. She would help the hungry once a month at your tombolas. She'll simply take control as you disappear." - Evita. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-18   10:38:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 13. #18. To: Vicomte13 (#13) TL;DR Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-18 10:49:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative, GarySpFc, liberator (#13) That is best done, Catholics believe, on the individual level, the family level, the church level, the community level, the state level, the national level and the international level. ALL levels of human governance and organization should ALL be engaged in poverty relief, all the time. That is the primary role of human economics, according to Catholics. I will agree with from the individual, family, church and local community level. After that greed is compounded. As you know, I have been on both sides of the Tiber. The best support for the poor is through local help and then outside the local community missionary volunteers. I still have some of my grand uncle's writings on his efforts at poverty relief. He traveled the world as a Catholic priest and at every turn he eventually hit the "Vatican wall." Meaning, a priest with a following of lay people to address poverty, also living humbly were crushed by church government. This is not a hit only on the Catholic church. It is any church that gets big and the church government takes on a life of its own. It happens in many denominations as we see corrupt non-denomination churches and Protestent churches have money scandals as well. The main critique I have of Catholic charties you state as a strength. Somewhere in the 60s, people like my uncle (who was not a communist nor a socialist politically) was inched aside and the humanist-socialists took root in the Catholic church. Focus was on getting government to do the work of Christians. The gospel became secondary so as not to offend others, and thus government became the 'god' of the poor. This empowered secular government and was a way to get votes (at least in this country and in Europe). The ideal of Christian love for the poor as the disciples practiced in the NT turned into the Catholic church and many other denominations becoming just another layer of social workers for the government. These Christian charities then took government grants to run their Christian charities and then later and now secular government started calling the shots on their 'morality'. Last year in IL a Catholic adoption service closed down because the state government demanded the Catholic service allow homosexual parents adopt the children under their care. They refused based on church teachings and had to close their doors. Same is coming for homosexual employees in such facilities and ministries. We should use the model of the early Christians in the NT. They provided for their church members from their own income and properties. Peter and Paul did not go to Caesar and the Roman senate to care for the poor of their church. Caesar and the Roman senate had every right given to secular authorities to care for the poor of the empire, as governments do today. We as Christians should not appeal to Caesar to take care of our own. When we outreach to those outside the church to bring the gospel for the soul and physical needs to the poor, we should not entangle ourselves with secular government. In the end they take over the operation and preach a different gospel which is not Christ's. redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-18 11:36:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #97. To: Vicomte13 (#13)  According to Catholics, poverty is an indication of societal evil Nice post. I would say that poverty is a less bad condition than a condition of being rich. Rich have to work much harder on their salvation, key part of that work is helping the poor and distributing their wealth. 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