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Title: 9 Dead From Motorcycle Gang Shootout in Waco, Texas
Source: nytimes.com
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/18/u ... ng-shootout-in-waco-texas.html
Published: May 17, 2015
Author: LIAM STACK
Post Date: 2015-05-17 20:19:02 by Pericles
Keywords: None
Views: 12722
Comments: 46

9 Dead From Motorcycle Gang Shootout in Waco, Texas

By LIAM STACKMAY 17, 2015

A shootout between rival motorcycle gangs at a restaurant in Waco, Tex., left nine people dead and plunged the surrounding neighborhood into chaos on Sunday afternoon, while dozens of police officers tried to head off further violence.

A fight broke out between “criminal biker gangs” at around 12:15 pm inside a Twins Peaks restaurant in a shopping center and quickly spilled into the parking lot, a spokesman for the Waco Police Department said. Sgt. Patrick Swanton, the spokesman, said the confrontation had started as a parking dispute and quickly escalated from a fistfight to a melee involving chains, knives, clubs and, ultimately, gunfire.

Sergeant Swanton said that the authorities had been aware of the potential for violence at the restaurant on Sunday and that at least 12 Waco police officers had been stationed outside, as well as several officers from the Texas Department of Public Safety and SWAT officers.

The bikers opened fire when the police moved in to break up the fight, Sergeant Swanton said, and the officers returned fire. He said eight bikers had been killed on the scene and that one more had been declared dead at a local hospital. Numerous other people were injured, he said, but no police officers were hurt.

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The bikers opened fire when the police moved in to break up the fight, Sergeant Swanton said, and the officers returned fire. He said eight bikers had been killed on the scene and that one more had been declared dead at a local hospital. Numerous other people were injured, he said, but no police officers were hurt.

Looks like the cops killed them all?

What a great country we live in. At this point should I not fear Muslim jihadis as much as I should fellow Americans?

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-17   20:20:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pericles (#1)

"Looks like the cops killed them all?"

Not ALL. Just the ones who were trying to kill them.

That's OK with you, isn't it?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-18   9:49:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: misterwhite (#13)

"Looks like the cops killed them all?" Not ALL. Just the ones who were trying to kill them.

That's OK with you, isn't it?

I have zero idea if the gangs fired on the cops. Neither do you. I was commenting on the vague writting.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-18   9:51:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pericles (#14)

"I have zero idea if the gangs fired on the cops. Neither do you."

I do. Because I read the article.

"The bikers opened fire when the police moved in to break up the fight, Sergeant Swanton said, and the officers returned fire."

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-18   9:56:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: misterwhite (#15)

and the officers returned fire."

And to a badge polisher like you ,that means it was the cops that shot all the DOA's.

Police are usually horrible shots.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-18   15:58:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete (#25)

Police are usually horrible shots.

Some cops are expert with their handguns.

I do recall Massad Ayoob, a famous police armorer, writing some years back that he thought a majority of cops in America didn't shoot more than 50 rounds in a year. And that despite generous allowance of free ammo from their PD. He didn't think much of their gun skills or PDs that failed to emphasize the importance of target practice and realistic combat training on a good range.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-18   17:10:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: TooConservative (#29)

majority of cops in America didn't shoot more than 50 rounds in a year

That's not very accurate. I'll say over 90% of all certified officers qualify at least once a year, and shoot at least 100 rounds to qualify. THEN I doubt they fire even ONE round a year after that.

I made my officers qualify once a year (my preference was twice a year but budgets wouldn't allow) and in an 8 hour day, each officer would fire an average of 500 rounds of pistol, rifle and shotgun rounds. The city department inside my county jurisdiction, qualified their officers twice a year and one night fire qualification.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-05-18   17:19:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: GrandIsland (#30)

" I made my officers qualify once a year (my preference was twice a year but budgets wouldn't allow) and in an 8 hour day, each officer would fire an average of 500 rounds of pistol, rifle and shotgun rounds.

Impressive. At what distances for pistol, rifle, & shotgun?

Stoner  posted on  2015-05-18   19:48:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Stoner (#37)

At what distances for pistol, rifle, & shotgun?

They shot duty pistol from 1 yard to 25 yards.

1 yards shove and shoot

1 yard wrist on hip

3 yard elbow on hip

3 yard draw from holster off their back (simulate being pushed down)

7 yard body armor drills

10 yard challenge drills

15 yard point shoulder shooting

25 yard kneeling, standing and weak hand shooting.

Patrol rifle was shot from 10 yards to 100 yards

Patrol shotgun was a walking, advancing course from 25 to 75 yards with slugs. They had to engage, shoot and tactically reload and shoot while walking, running and utilizing cover.

That was just for the actual quals.

For non qual courses, I made my people dynamically shoot. Meaning shoot while moving and shoot at moving targets.

I would end the day with a competitive shoot off... from quickest shot from a holster on a steel plate using a timer... to shooting the "Texas star" or bowling pins.

Top shooter got a box of ammo that the range instructors bought.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-05-18   20:04:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: GrandIsland (#38)

Again, I am impressed! Good course. Sounds like you trained well.

Stoner  posted on  2015-05-18   20:15:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Stoner (#39)

Again, I am impressed! Good course. Sounds like you trained well.

I tried to make it fun (when I wasn't screaming at them to stimulate stress, during quals).

Most cops don't practice at all after yearly quals. It's saddening. I use to shoot the dog snot out of my duty weapon every chance I had... when I wasn't shooting trap, sporting clays or hunting.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-05-18   20:19:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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