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Title: Jeb Bush confronted by college student: 'Your brother created ISIS'
Source: AP
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Published: May 14, 2015
Author: AP
Post Date: 2015-05-14 13:05:25 by rlk
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Views: 6837
Comments: 35

Jeb Bush confronted by college student: 'Your brother created ISIS'

May 14th 2015 10:34AM

A college student confronted likely Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush over his brother's on Wednesday night in a heated moment at a town hall event in Nevada.

"Your brother created ISIS," ​Ivy Ziedrich, a 19-year-old college student and self-proclaimed Democrat said to the former governor of Florida at the town hall event attended by roughly 250 people in Reno, according to The Washington Post.

Ziedrich made the uncomfortably accusatory line while questioning Bush about his thoughts on the rise of ISIS, which Bush has previously blamed at least in part on President Barack Obama.

"We respectfully disagree, we have a disagreement," Bush said

Real Clear Politics transcribed the heated moment:

JEB BUSH: All right. Is that a question?

IVY ZIEDRICH: You don't need to be pedantic to me, sir.

BUSH: Pedantic? Wow.

IVY ZIEDRICH: Just answer my question. Why are you saying that ISIS was created by us not having a presence in the Middle East, when it's [caused by] pointless wars where we send young American men to die for the idea of American exceptionalism? Why are you spouting nationalist rhetoric to get us involved in more wars?

JEB BUSH: We respectfully disagree. We have a disagreement. When we left Iraq, security had been arranged, Al Qaeda had been taken out. There was a fragile system that could have been brought up to eliminate the sectarian violence...

And we had an agreement that the president could have signed that would have kept 10,000 troops, less than we have in Korea, could have created the stability that would have allowed for Iraq to progress. The result was the opposite occurred. Immediately, that void was filled. Look, you can rewrite history all you want. But the simple fact is that we are in a much more unstable place because American pulled back.

With those final words, Bush turned away, ending their argument.

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#1. To: rlk (#0)

Jeb Bush confronted by college student: 'Your brother created ISIS'

I saw the video. Bush has a problem...probably many.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-14   13:21:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Gatlin (#1)

"Bush has a problem...probably many."

Three come to mind -- immigration, common core, and his last name. He can change the first two, but not the last. And that will sink him with the average (ignorant) voter.

If this "college" girl gets it wrong, Mr. John Q. Public won't have a clue.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-14   13:33:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#2) (Edited)

Three come to mind -- immigration, common core, and his last name. He can change the first two, but not the last.

I dunno, he's already succeeded in a sneaky name change.

His real name is John Edward Bush. I doubt one voter in a thousand knows it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-14   13:58:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#4)

Because Republicans are not allowed off the reservation on the Iraq war he has to stick to defending that debacle. We still have posters on here and on forums like Freerepublic bringing up now proven BS that Saddam had is WMD smuggled out to Syria by Russian Spetznaz or some such.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-14   15:58:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pericles (#7)

Because Republicans are not allowed off the reservation on the Iraq war he has to stick to defending that debacle.

What about your buddy Joe Biden? Is he off the hook for believing Saddam had WMD?

After hearing the testimony from Hamza and Butler, Sen. Joseph Biden, (D-Del.), head of the Foreign Relations panel, commented that "one thing is clear: These weapons must be dislodged from Saddam, or Saddam must be dislodged from power."

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/saddam-sent-wmd-syria-former- general-alleges

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-12   0:35:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: redleghunter (#13)

Because Republicans are not allowed off the reservation on the Iraq war he has to stick to defending that debacle.

What about your buddy Joe Biden? Is he off the hook for believing Saddam had WMD?

Why do you assume Biden is my buddy? Or I am a Democrat? Are you truly that stupid and limited in your views that you can't imagine any alternative?

Biden also pushed for the Serbia and Kosovo bombings.

I rooted for Saddam and Milosevic.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-12   1:38:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pericles (#14)

I rooted for Saddam and Milosevic.

Wow two genocidal maniacs.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-12   16:43:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: redleghunter (#15)

I rooted for Saddam and Milosevic.

Wow two genocidal maniacs.

That tells me all I need to know of your ignorance.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-12   19:12:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Pericles, tomder55 (#16)

That tells me all I need to know of your ignorance.

I'll give you Milosevic since I never witnessed the results of his genocide. But I am an eyewitness of a mass grave filled with the remains of Iraqis brought to you by Saddam and his meglomanic sons.

Hard to get the stench of rotting human flesh out of the nostrils.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-13   9:11:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: redleghunter (#17) (Edited)

I'll give you Milosevic since I never witnessed the results of his genocide. But I am an eyewitness of a mass grave filled with the remains of Iraqis brought to you by Saddam and his meglomanic sons.

Hard to get the stench of rotting human flesh out of the nostrils.

How do you know Saddam killed them and not Americans and the Iraqis had to bury them quick as is the case in most wars with mass casualties?

And American mis-rule of Iraq has caused more death and destruction than Saddam's rule.

And Milosevic was called a monster only because the USA calls anyone it fights 'a next Hitler". But he was not - it was NATO that was Nazi-ish.

If you witnessed this grave then you may have been a vet or a contract worker in Iraq - I don't - repeat - I don't thank you for your service. I want to say that right up front.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-13   9:23:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Pericles (#18)

How do you know Saddam killed them and not Americans and the Iraqis had to bury them quick as is the case in most wars with mass casualties?

I know because the Americans did not kill them. I was there and knew of all the strikes. The specific area I referred to had no coalition bombing targets. No USFORs there until two weeks after Baghdad fell.

And American mis-rule of Iraq has caused more death and destruction than Saddam's rule.

Care to document the above?

If you witnessed this grave then you may have been a vet or a contract worker in Iraq - I don't - repeat - I don't thank you for your service. I want to say that right up front.

No problem. I wasn't asking for your gratitude. You can armchair quarterback what happens in the world from the comfort and safety of your cubicle decor. It's a free country or used to be.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-13   10:09:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: redleghunter (#23)

And American mis-rule of Iraq has caused more death and destruction than Saddam's rule.

Care to document the above?

It is self fucking evident.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-13   11:05:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Pericles (#26)

It is self #$%^ing evident.

Invective language usually is not so 'self evident.'

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-13   11:11:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: redleghunter (#27)

It is self #$%^ing evident.

Invective language usually is not so 'self evident.'

The clusterfuck that is Iraq after being "liberated" by Bush is worse off than it was under Saddam. Except for the Shia - they and their Iranian backers are better off. Also, you pro Iraq war scum seem to ignore the fact that under Bush Christians became an endangered species when under Saddam they were protected and were actually in govt and part of the society.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-13   11:13:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Pericles (#28)

The clusterfuck that is Iraq after being "liberated" by Bush is worse off than it was under Saddam. Except for the Shia - they and their Iranian backers are better off. Also, you pro Iraq war scum seem to ignore the fact that under Bush Christians became an endangered species when under Saddam they were protected and were actually in govt and part of the society.

You should really learn to govern your passions...they will be your undoing.

Your assertions read like bad bumper stickers.

Not to mention your deflection of the original topic...You asserted you took sides with Milosevic and Saddam. I stated you sided with genocidal maniacs. Both are clearly documented.

You could have said that you opposed the removing of both Saddam and Milosevic as this caused regional instability and further chaos. If you stated that I would have left you alone because there is ample data to support that view.

But no, you sided with genocidal maniacs as being RIGHTFUL in their rule. That is just bunk and hopefully you know that.

Frankly it is bunk to argue things in retrospect. Never liked doing the 'what if's' in history. I'll leave that to the alternate history fiction writers.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-13   11:26:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: redleghunter (#29)

You asserted you took sides with Milosevic and Saddam. I stated you sided with genocidal maniacs. Both are clearly documented.

I don't buy the State Dept lies against Saddam nor Milosevic.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-13   11:45:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pericles, rlk, redleghunter (#30)

I see we have to deal with another of the 'big lies ' (like the US created al- qaeda ) . The fact is that the Awakening and the surge defeated AQ Iraq .General Kean spoke of intercepts where the demoralized leaders wrote letters to AQ in Pakistan in late 2008 that said, “Don’t send any more brothers. This war is over. We have lost.”....“And they said it multiple times in different phrases over 3 or 4 message intercepts that we had, Keene continued. “They had admitted that defeat. They were done.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qUj6FdNMtU#t=87 (key section at 1:30 )

As you know AQ Iraq was the precursor to the Islamic State. Why did they make a rebound ? Part of it was the political leadership in the Baghdad government . But the biggest reason is because the emperor could not or would not secure a SOFA agreement that would've left enough coalition forces to help secure the country . So if anything ;it is the emperor who set the stage for the Islamic State .

tomder55  posted on  2015-08-13   13:30:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#32. To: tomder55 (#31)

Thanks for the additional information.

Regardless, Iraq is still suffering because of US/us.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-13 13:33:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: tomder55, rlk, redleghunter (#31)

I see we have to deal with another of the 'big lies ' (like the US created al- qaeda )

No, but the CIA and al_Qaeda seem to be on the same side in a lot of wars (Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya, Syria, etc). And the USA did create al-Qaeda - the principles of al-Qaeda broke away and went rogue.

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