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Source: ChristianPatriot.com URL Source: [None] Published: May 14, 2015 Author: Pastor Bob Celeste for ACP Post Date: 2015-05-14 09:05:01 by BobCeleste Keywords: ACP Views: 73041 Comments: 248 This is why it is so important you read the word of God, in the original Hebrew and Greek, yourself and not take what others say it says. This is how Malachi 3:9 is represented in various interpretations. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. (KJV) With a curse ye are cursed! And Me ye are deceiving--this nation--all of it. (YLT) Ye are cursed with the curse; for ye rob me, even this whole nation. (ASV) You are cursed with a curse, For you have robbed Me, Even this whole nation. (NKJV) You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me; the whole nation of you. (RSV) You are cursed with the curse; for you rob me, even this whole nation. (WEB) Notice how everyone of the above translations say "Ye or you are cursed with the curse" But that is not what the original Hebrew says. Here is what the original Hebrew says: Ye are cursed {'arar} with a curse {m@erah}: for ye have robbed {qaba`} me, even this whole nation {gowy}. Let's look at the Hebrew words 'arar and m@erah. 'arar is a primitive root; to execrate:--X bitterly curse m@erah is an execration:--curse. The original does not say You are cursed, it says cursed with a curse, meaning it could either be you are cursed with a curse or you cursed with a curse, in one it is God doing the cursing in the other it is it is God being cursed. God's word is to important to trust others with it, your salvation is to important, you need to take it into your own hands not rely upon the word or interpretation of others. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 97. #22. To: BobCeleste (#0) The Roman Catholic Church tried very hard to keep the understanding of the Scriptures from the people. They fought to keep the Holy Bible in Latin which the common, uneducated folks couldn't read. The Reformers brought the Holy Scriptures to people in translations that the common people could read. Of course, the RCC leaders were happy to tell the commoners what the Scriptures really meant. The corruption in the priestly caste was rampant then as now. Don  posted on  2015-05-14   20:29:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Don (#22) And you point is? BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-14   20:57:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: BobCeleste (#24) We have to rely on translations to have the Holy Scriptures available to us. Don  posted on  2015-05-14   21:37:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Don (#29) We have to rely on translations to have the Holy Scriptures available to us. Which ONE is right? buckeroo  posted on  2015-05-14   21:46:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: buckeroo (#30) To many people it really doesn't matter. those people who are Christians know the difference in the false and the real. Christ said that His sheep know His voice. Don  posted on  2015-05-14   21:55:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: Don (#31) To [sic] many people it really doesn't matter. To me the question matters as I posed the question to you. those people who are Christians know the difference in the false and the real. Christ said that His sheep know His voice. It must be an awesome event to be able to evade the question about which Bible is the correct version as you receive some sort of mystical guidance from sources high above the clouds, correct? buckeroo  posted on  2015-05-14   23:07:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: buckeroo, Don, GarySpFc, SOSO (#34) There are over 5,000 existing Greek NT manuscripts. ALL Bibles out there today are translated from those manuscripts. Some better than others. The KJV, NKJV, NASB, and YLT (some others) are literal word for word translations from the NT Greek manuscripts. Some versions are passage by passage literal equivalent translations. Some are paraphrased versions. If someone is looking for accuracy in translating from one language to the other, then the literal word for word translations are best. If someone is just starting to read the Bible for understanding then the literal equivalent is good. Yet none of the above matters unless you will blow the dust off the Bible and actually read it and study it and pray. redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-14   23:20:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: redleghunter (#36) There are over 5,000 existing Greek NT manuscripts. ALL Bibles out there today are translated from those manuscripts. Some better than others. Good reply. Which one carries the authoritative, "word of God?" buckeroo  posted on  2015-05-14   23:25:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: buckeroo (#37) Bucky, I don't believe your question indicates you really want an answer. You simply want to argue against the Holy Bible. Why should anyone spend time feeding your hostility toward the Scriptures? Don  posted on  2015-05-14   23:31:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: Don (#40) You simply want to argue against the Holy Bible. Which one? buckeroo  posted on  2015-05-14   23:33:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #50. To: buckeroo, Don (#41) You simply want to argue against the Holy Bible. Which one? I would like a straight forward answer to his question. Do you have one? SOSO  posted on  2015-05-15   0:09:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #51. To: SOSO (#50) I have my preferences. I'm waiting to see what you and Bucky have for your favorites, or do either of you have any? Don  posted on  2015-05-15   0:14:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #67. To: Don (#51) I'm waiting to see what you and Bucky have for your favorites, or do either of you have any? Why? Don't you have your opinion firmed up yet? But since you appear to be weak kneed of sorts I will accomodate you. I have only been schooled on one version and that is sufficient for me. The other versions appear to be interesting but almost irrelevant to my faith. Question for you though (which you probably won't answer): had I been schooled on a different version of the Scriptures would my belief in and understanding of God and what He expects from me be different? For example, suppose I didn't believe in transubstanitation to name just one difference in the teachings of the various Christian religious sects? SOSO  posted on  2015-05-15   11:12:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #73. To: SOSO, Don, BobCeleste, Vicomte13, Pericles, redleghunter, A Pole (#67) Question for you though (which you probably won't answer): had I been schooled on a different version of the Scriptures would my belief in and understanding of God and what He expects from me be different? For example, suppose I didn't believe in transubstanitation to name just one difference in the teachings of the various Christian religious sects? People rarely have any problems with Christianity over the various flavors of doctrine. What people usually do is use that as an excuse to ignore or flout entirely the moral code of scripture. Then they blame scripture for refusing to obey the fundamental and universal tenets found in all scripture. On the essentials, no credible version of scripture fails to outline fundamental Christian morals and duties. It isn't the fault of any church or bible version if people decide to use that as an excuse for ignoring or disobeying every fundamental tenet of scripture found repeatedly in every version. I flagged a few others because this is actually a rather common argument that we have repeatedly in various flavors. If you disagree, name the versions of scripture that allow theft, murder or other moral offenses. Naturally, they are all in agreement on fundamental moral issues. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-15   14:33:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #74. To: TooConservative, Don, BobCeleste, Vicomte13, Pericles, redleghunter, A Pole (#73) On the essentials, no credible version of scripture fails to outline fundamental Christian morals and duties. This is substantially true. It falls apart at the fringes. "It isn't the fault of any church or bible version if people decide to use that as an excuse for ignoring or disobeying every fundamental tenet of scripture found repeatedly in every version." Much less true as there are self-proclaimed Christian churches that truly bastradize the essence of Christianity. For example, those Christain churches that preach and teach anti-Catholicism (and they know who they are, don't they Don?) In just about all cases of the outliers it is their insistence that theirs is the one and only true version and interpretation of God's Words that puts them on the fringe. Unfortunately they are stronger in number than one would think is justified. SOSO  posted on  2015-05-15   14:48:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #82. To: SOSO, Don, TooConservative (#74) Much less true as there are self-proclaimed Christian churches that truly bastradize the essence of Christianity. For example, those Christain churches that preach and teach anti-Catholicism (and they know who they are, don't they Don?) You speak of doctrinal differences. Doctrines of transubstantion came much later than the NT church. I believe it was not until the 2nd Lateran council in which that doctrine was confirmed. And with much controversy. The East did not embrace this doctrine until almost 200 years later and they are not dogmatic about it. It is when a certain church pronounces anathemas on those who do not agree with them where issues come up. That is what Trent did. redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-15   16:16:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #96. To: redleghunter, Don, TooConservative, vicomte13, GarySpFc, Bob Celeste (#82) I believe it was not until the 2nd Lateran council in which that doctrine was confirmed. By who? God? SOSO  posted on  2015-05-15   18:29:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #97. To: SOSO (#96) By self proclaimed infallible men. redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-15   18:35:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 97. #99. To: redleghunter (#97) By self proclaimed infallible men. Keep coming to the light, Ram. SOSO  posted on  2015-05-15 18:40:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 97. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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