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Source: ChristianPatriot.com URL Source: [None] Published: May 14, 2015 Author: Pastor Bob Celeste for ACP Post Date: 2015-05-14 09:05:01 by BobCeleste Keywords: ACP Views: 73025 Comments: 248 This is why it is so important you read the word of God, in the original Hebrew and Greek, yourself and not take what others say it says. This is how Malachi 3:9 is represented in various interpretations. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. (KJV) With a curse ye are cursed! And Me ye are deceiving--this nation--all of it. (YLT) Ye are cursed with the curse; for ye rob me, even this whole nation. (ASV) You are cursed with a curse, For you have robbed Me, Even this whole nation. (NKJV) You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me; the whole nation of you. (RSV) You are cursed with the curse; for you rob me, even this whole nation. (WEB) Notice how everyone of the above translations say "Ye or you are cursed with the curse" But that is not what the original Hebrew says. Here is what the original Hebrew says: Ye are cursed {'arar} with a curse {m@erah}: for ye have robbed {qaba`} me, even this whole nation {gowy}. Let's look at the Hebrew words 'arar and m@erah. 'arar is a primitive root; to execrate:--X bitterly curse m@erah is an execration:--curse. The original does not say You are cursed, it says cursed with a curse, meaning it could either be you are cursed with a curse or you cursed with a curse, in one it is God doing the cursing in the other it is it is God being cursed. God's word is to important to trust others with it, your salvation is to important, you need to take it into your own hands not rely upon the word or interpretation of others. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 90. #1. To: BobCeleste (#0) "not rely upon the word or interpretation of others." Ummm. Meaning I shouldn't rely on your interpretation. Got it. misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-14   9:14:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: misterwhite (#1) Ummm. Meaning I shouldn't rely on your interpretation. Absolutely correct. Do you think for even one minute saying to God, when He ask you why He should let you into His heaven, "well Bob said" is going to get you a free pass? He will say to you, "Why didn't you read my Word yourself?" For you see, misterwhite, I really don't care if you go to heaven or hell, but God does. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-14   9:34:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: BobCeleste, GarySpFc, redleghunter (#2) He will say to you, "Why didn't you read my Word yourself?" I would then like to ask God why He deliberately confounded men by creating multiple languages at Babel so that we could not perfectly communicate with each other, especially in the communication of His words......but probably would lack the cojones to do that. SOSO  posted on  2015-05-14   11:16:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: SOSO (#8) I would then like to ask God why He deliberately confounded men by creating multiple languages at Babel And He will probably say: "Explained that in Genesis." BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-14   14:47:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: BobCeleste, GaryDpFc, redleghunter, All (#12) And He will probably say: "Explained that in Genesis." Yes, it was to deliberately confound man. So why so if as you cliam the ONLY way to understand God's word is to totally understand Hebrew as spoken and written thousands and thousands of years ago. I, like 99.999% of the planet's population can't do that even if we had the time and wherewithal to do so. A bit of a conflicy here, no? Especially since you admit that we shouldn't trust you or anyone else to translate for us. SOSO  posted on  2015-05-14   14:53:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: SOSO (#14) So why so if as you cliam the ONLY way to understand God's word is to totally understand Hebrew Show me where I said "the ONLY way to understand God's word is to totally understand Hebrew" BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-14   16:52:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: BobCeleste (#17) Show me where I said "the ONLY way to understand God's word is to totally understand Hebrew" What part of the title of your post, ""This is why it is so important you read the word of God, in the original Hebrew and Greek, yourself and not take what others say it says. " and your posted commet "God's word is to{o} important to trust others with it, your salvation is to{o} important, you need to take it into your own hands not rely upon the word or interpretation of others." don't I understand? SOSO  posted on  2015-05-14   19:22:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: SOSO (#18) What part of the title of your post, ""This is why it is so important you read the word of God, in the original Hebrew and Greek, yourself and not take what others say it says. " and your posted comment "God's word is to{o} important to trust others with it, your salvation is to{o} important, you need to take it into your own hands not rely upon the word or interpretation of others." don't I understand? So where is the word only? As a matter of fact where does it say "the ONLY way to understand God's word is to totally understand Hebrew" Put words in your own mouth, not mine. By the way thanks for the spelling lesson. Always had trouble with those to(o)'s professor once told me not to worry about spelling, he said that was why God created secretaries. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-14   19:40:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: BobCeleste (#21) By the way thanks for the spelling lesson. Wasn't meant to be. "God's word is to{o} important to trust others with it, your salvation is to {o} important, you need to take it into your own hands not rely upon the word or interpretation of others." If this doesn't mean that only you, the individual, must read the Bible in its original language to be able to truly understand it nothing does. But, by all means, please explain what you meant by this statement and who other than myself shall I trust to read and understand the Bible in its original languages. Clearly by your own admission, not you. SOSO  posted on  2015-05-14   20:47:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #90. To: SOSO (#23) who other than myself shall I trust to read and understand the Bible in its original languages. I'm a pretty good source, actually, because I don't have a traditional religious agenda. I don't like any of the traditions, because of all of the evil that their men have done. I don't trust their translations, because I have had a peak at the tendentiousness of it. I don't accept the Protestant tradition that the Bible is IT, and I don't accept the Catholic tradition that the Church is IT. I think that God is IT, and I want to know what the Church has said about what God wants. I also want to see how the Church has contradicted itself in these pronouncements. It concerns me less when I find the men of the Church contradicting what God said. Judas was an Apostle, after all, and Peter ran away and denied Christ. But the allegedly infallible doctrines themselves, where they evolve and change or conflict with each other: that's important. I want to see, also, what the Bible says, and I want to see how people change the canon between different denominations, and whether it makes a difference (it does as between Catholic and Protestant, and between Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox, but it doesn't between Catholic and Eastern Orthodox). I want literal translations that are mechanical and concordant, so I can see the Hebrew and Greek verb tenses - they matter a great deal. I want the same word used consistently in the text to translate its homologue, because that's what time left us: THAT word. When different English is used to translate the same word, the judgment of the translator is intruding. I want my translator to make ONE judgment about the meaning of a word - to TELL me that judgment and the alternatives - and then I want my translator BOUND to use that exact word, every single time the Hebrew or Greek word appears. Such translations do exist, though they are rare. With concordant translation and proper verb tenses, I want to see if the Bible conflicts with itself. It does. And I want to see if there is any way WITHIN the text to discern how to assign greater and lesser authority to conflicting pieces. There is. Jesus actually gave the rule, and it makes perfect logical sense too, when you think about it: "Man does not live by bread alone, but but every word that proceeds forth out of the mouth of deity." Well, that narrows it down, doesn't it? Scripture is inspired by God, but the parts that God actually spoke directly, which are always indicated in the text, are the words to live by, in the event of a conflict. That makes sense. It also clears a lot of freight. So, what I end up with is a corpus of words, perhaps only about 7 or 8% of the text, a third of that when duplicates are removed, that are the binding words of God. Those are the highest authority in Scripture. I can look at the "disputed books" to see if there are words of God in THOSE. There are, in some of them, so I need to see if there is any difference in message if a disputed book is included or excluded. (The answer is: not really.) Then I can compare the words that proceeded forth out of the mouth of God, according to Scripture, to each of the traditions of each denomination, to see where they vary. And then I can come to my own judgment as to what to think. Me? I come down on the side of words spoken directly by God, as interpreted by my own conscience. Because I'm interested in the truth, not in defending any tradition at all, I tend to be a very good, impartial source for understanding the Bible. You can trust me because I'm just trying to show what it actually says, for my OWN benefit - and I'm willing to share my findings with others. That makes me an exceptional source of information - precisely because I am unimpressed with ALL of the denominational claims. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-15   17:13:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 90. #94. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter, GarySpFc, Don, TooConservative (#90) I don't trust their translations, because I have had a peak at the tendentiousness of it. Well, we seem to have something in common here. I take them with a grain of salt. SOSO  posted on  2015-05-15 18:26:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 90. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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