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Title: This is why it is so important you read the word of God, in the original Hebrew and Greek, yourself and not take what others say it says.
Source: ChristianPatriot.com
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Published: May 14, 2015
Author: Pastor Bob Celeste for ACP
Post Date: 2015-05-14 09:05:01 by BobCeleste
Keywords: ACP
Views: 79807
Comments: 248

This is why it is so important you read the word of God, in the original Hebrew and Greek, yourself and not take what others say it says.

This is how Malachi 3:9 is represented in various interpretations.

Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. (KJV)

With a curse ye are cursed! And Me ye are deceiving--this nation--all of it. (YLT)

Ye are cursed with the curse; for ye rob me, even this whole nation. (ASV)

You are cursed with a curse, For you have robbed Me, Even this whole nation. (NKJV)

You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me; the whole nation of you. (RSV)

You are cursed with the curse; for you rob me, even this whole nation. (WEB)


Notice how everyone of the above translations say "Ye or you are cursed with the curse" But that is not what the original Hebrew says. Here is what the original Hebrew says: Ye are cursed {'arar} with a curse {m@erah}: for ye have robbed {qaba`} me, even this whole nation {gowy}.

Let's look at the Hebrew words 'arar and m@erah.

'arar is a primitive root; to execrate:--X bitterly curse

m@erah is an execration:--curse.

The original does not say You are cursed, it says cursed with a curse, meaning it could either be you are cursed with a curse or you cursed with a curse, in one it is God doing the cursing in the other it is it is God being cursed.

God's word is to important to trust others with it, your salvation is to important, you need to take it into your own hands not rely upon the word or interpretation of others.

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#9. To: BobCeleste (#0)

It seems to me that 95% of all sermons preached on Malachi are when a preacher and church board are trying to gin up donations. Otherwise, it gets ignored entirely.

Just a general observation.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-14   11:25:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TooConservative (#9)

It seems to me that 95% of all sermons preached on Malachi are when a preacher and church board are trying to gin up donations. Otherwise, it gets ignored entirely.

That is why you must study on your own.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-14   14:48:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: BobCeleste (#13)

That is why you must study on your own.

It really does defy logic to suggest that the eternal fate of a soul would hinge on what academic knowledge one accumulates in a physical brain.

Physical brain knowledge consists of a series of synaptic nerves storing information in an electro-chemical format. The rigidity of doctrine really just doesn't work very compatibly with one's spiritual existence.

For example, when praying to Jesus, is it important to pronounce his name correctly? This is important because in Spanish, the name "Jesus" is pronounced "Hey-soos", because J's are pronounced like H's, "e" like long "a", and "u" like the long u. So are Spanish speakers who ask "Hey-soos" into their lives not saved because "Jesus" is not "Hey-soos"?.

Of course, does anyone today have any clue how Jesus's name was originally pronounced.

If we pray to Jesus, but have not only the wrong pronunciation, but the wrong facial image in mind, are we still saved? I hope you get my point: How do we know we are spiritually praying to the correct entity? Assuming the answer is something in the order of: God knows who we mean and reaches back to us and all's well, then doesn't it necessarily mean:

We do not need to have perfect understanding of God to be saved?

And if we don't need a perfect understanding of God, doesn't that means it's okay to be wrong about things?

And why would God really even care about what factual knowledge we have? Wouldn't he care a lot more about how we loved others?

Some of my thoughts, if you don't mind them. I don't see any spiritual value in dogmatic head knowledge, because I don't see how it's possible for God to care either. Under the Newton model, things just make a LOT more sense.

My 2c.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-05-15   2:43:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#55. To: Pinguinite (#54)

Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account* for you, most excellent* Theophilus,* so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.*

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-05-15 03:27:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Pinguinite, Soso, Redleghunter (#54)

[23] Yet a time is coming and has now come* when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit* and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. [24] God is spirit,* and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

NOT SPIRIT AND OPINION.

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-05-15 03:37:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Pinguinite (#54)

Now, here is what I posted:

This is why it is so important you read the word of God, in the original Hebrew and Greek, yourself and not take what others say it says.

This is how Malachi 3:9 is represented in various interpretations.

Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. (KJV)

With a curse ye are cursed! And Me ye are deceiving--this nation--all of it. (YLT)

Ye are cursed with the curse; for ye rob me, even this whole nation. (ASV)

You are cursed with a curse, For you have robbed Me, Even this whole nation. (NKJV)

You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me; the whole nation of you. (RSV)

You are cursed with the curse; for you rob me, even this whole nation. (WEB)


Notice how everyone of the above translations say "Ye or you are cursed with the curse" But that is not what the original Hebrew says. Here is what the original Hebrew says: Ye are cursed {'arar} with a curse {m@erah}: for ye have robbed {qaba`} me, even this whole nation {gowy}.

Let's look at the Hebrew words 'arar and m@erah.

'arar is a primitive root; to execrate:--X bitterly curse

m@erah is an execration:--curse.

The original does not say You are cursed, it says cursed with a curse, meaning it could either be you are cursed with a curse or you cursed with a curse, in one it is God doing the cursing in the other it is it is God being cursed.

God's word is to important to trust others with it, your salvation is to important, you need to take it into your own hands not rely upon the word or interpretation of others.

If you have some special insight, so be it, but as for me I will continue to study what God said, not what others say He said. I am not smart enough to know what God meant, so I have to go with what He actually said. My mistake is thinking that others care as much as I do.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-15 07:50:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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