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Source: ChristianPatriot.com URL Source: [None] Published: May 14, 2015 Author: Pastor Bob Celeste for ACP Post Date: 2015-05-14 09:05:01 by BobCeleste Keywords: ACP Views: 73091 Comments: 248 This is why it is so important you read the word of God, in the original Hebrew and Greek, yourself and not take what others say it says. This is how Malachi 3:9 is represented in various interpretations. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. (KJV) With a curse ye are cursed! And Me ye are deceiving--this nation--all of it. (YLT) Ye are cursed with the curse; for ye rob me, even this whole nation. (ASV) You are cursed with a curse, For you have robbed Me, Even this whole nation. (NKJV) You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me; the whole nation of you. (RSV) You are cursed with the curse; for you rob me, even this whole nation. (WEB) Notice how everyone of the above translations say "Ye or you are cursed with the curse" But that is not what the original Hebrew says. Here is what the original Hebrew says: Ye are cursed {'arar} with a curse {m@erah}: for ye have robbed {qaba`} me, even this whole nation {gowy}. Let's look at the Hebrew words 'arar and m@erah. 'arar is a primitive root; to execrate:--X bitterly curse m@erah is an execration:--curse. The original does not say You are cursed, it says cursed with a curse, meaning it could either be you are cursed with a curse or you cursed with a curse, in one it is God doing the cursing in the other it is it is God being cursed. God's word is to important to trust others with it, your salvation is to important, you need to take it into your own hands not rely upon the word or interpretation of others. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 122. #22. To: BobCeleste (#0) The Roman Catholic Church tried very hard to keep the understanding of the Scriptures from the people. They fought to keep the Holy Bible in Latin which the common, uneducated folks couldn't read. The Reformers brought the Holy Scriptures to people in translations that the common people could read. Of course, the RCC leaders were happy to tell the commoners what the Scriptures really meant. The corruption in the priestly caste was rampant then as now. Don  posted on  2015-05-14   20:29:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Don (#22) And you point is? BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-14   20:57:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: BobCeleste (#24) We have to rely on translations to have the Holy Scriptures available to us. Don  posted on  2015-05-14   21:37:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Don (#29) We have to rely on translations to have the Holy Scriptures available to us. Which ONE is right? buckeroo  posted on  2015-05-14   21:46:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: buckeroo (#30) To many people it really doesn't matter. those people who are Christians know the difference in the false and the real. Christ said that His sheep know His voice. Don  posted on  2015-05-14   21:55:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: Don (#31) To [sic] many people it really doesn't matter. To me the question matters as I posed the question to you. those people who are Christians know the difference in the false and the real. Christ said that His sheep know His voice. It must be an awesome event to be able to evade the question about which Bible is the correct version as you receive some sort of mystical guidance from sources high above the clouds, correct? buckeroo  posted on  2015-05-14   23:07:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: buckeroo, Don, GarySpFc, SOSO (#34) There are over 5,000 existing Greek NT manuscripts. ALL Bibles out there today are translated from those manuscripts. Some better than others. The KJV, NKJV, NASB, and YLT (some others) are literal word for word translations from the NT Greek manuscripts. Some versions are passage by passage literal equivalent translations. Some are paraphrased versions. If someone is looking for accuracy in translating from one language to the other, then the literal word for word translations are best. If someone is just starting to read the Bible for understanding then the literal equivalent is good. Yet none of the above matters unless you will blow the dust off the Bible and actually read it and study it and pray. redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-14   23:20:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: redleghunter (#36) There are over 5,000 existing Greek NT manuscripts. ALL Bibles out there today are translated from those manuscripts. Some better than others. Good reply. Which one carries the authoritative, "word of God?" buckeroo  posted on  2015-05-14   23:25:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #62. To: buckeroo, GarySpFc, BobCeleste (#37) Which one carries the authoritative, "word of God?" God speaks directly in the Holy Scriptures and God spoke through prophets and apostles. You will find God's Divine attributes and power in the lines of Scriptures. But you have to pick it up and read it or listen to it. For, "The words of the Lord are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, refined seven times." (Psalm 12:6) And, Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6) So the answer to your question is, in just about any version you will find the Divine attributes and actions of God. I first read the Bible in one of those paraphrase version Bibles which would give brother Gary and Bob fits:) However, as I matured in my walk with Christ I wanted to learn more and the literal word for word translations became important to examine. They are the closest in the English language to the original texts. Further in answering your questions are the words of Christ when He said: "For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.” (John 18:37) redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-15   9:22:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #116. To: redleghunter, GarySpFc, BobCeleste (#62) God speaks directly in the Holy Scriptures and God spoke through prophets and apostles. You will find God's Divine attributes and power in the lines of Scriptures. How? In the "begat," "begat," "begat" words? But you have to pick it up and read it or listen to it. I have read the Bible a few tymes. It is not an easy reading experience anymore than watching someone on an LSD trip going insane. For, "The words of the Lord are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, refined seven times." (Psalm 12:6) Of course, your reference assumes the Bible is "the word of the Lord" which is, in my opinion, fabricated. And, Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6) So why does God cloak himself in secrecy? Why doesn't he/she just break out of the secrecy realm and revel the truths to each and every one of us? So the answer to your question is, in just about any version you will find the Divine attributes and actions of God. OK, I am going out and slaughter a lamb as a tithe to God. Is that what you are recommending? I first read the Bible in one of those paraphrase version Bibles which would give brother Gary and Bob fits:) However, as I matured in my walk with Christ I wanted to learn more and the literal word for word translations became important to examine. They are the closest in the English language to the original texts. Today's or modern versions of the "Holy Bible' are about committees agreeing the content of the Holy Bible is what they say it is. Don't you find that the committees that agree with their own work find it difficult to understand criticism? Further in answering your questions are the words of Christ when He said: "For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.” (John 18:37) I suppose, I am out of the loop based upon your opinion. buckeroo  posted on  2015-05-16   18:50:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #122. To: buckeroo (#116) So why does God cloak himself in secrecy? Why doesn't he/she just break out of the secrecy realm and revel the truths to each and every one of us? it's called blindness, and it's your choice. GarySpFC  posted on  2015-05-16   20:11:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 122. #129. To: GarySpFC (#122) (Edited) buckeroo: So why does God cloak himself in secrecy? Why doesn't he/she just break out of the secrecy realm and revel the truths to each and every one of us? GarySpFC: it's called blindness, and it's your choice. Are you saying "God" is blind and its all my fault? buckeroo  posted on  2015-05-17 11:04:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 122. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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