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War in Ukraine Turns on Russia what happened during total solar eclipse Israel Attacks Iran, Report Says - LIVE Breaking News Coverage Earth is Scorched with Heat Antiwar Activists Chant ‘Death to America’ at Event Featuring Chicago Alderman Vibe Shift Status: Not Logged In; Sign In LEFT WING LOONS See other LEFT WING LOONS Articles Title: Fox Hypes Minimal Improper Spending To Demonize Welfare Source: [None] URL Source: [None] Published: May 11, 2015 Author: grandiose demands and HANNAH GROCH-BEGLE Post Date: 2015-05-11 11:19:38 by tpaine Keywords: None Views: 21514 Comments: 55 http://mediamatters.org Fox Hypes Minimal Improper Spending To Demonize Welfare Fox News continued its campaign to demonize welfare benefits, this time hyping improper payments made by a Massachusetts program even though those payments made up only a minimal amount of all benefits paid by the state. On Fox & Friends First, co-host Patti Ann Browne hyped a report that Massachusetts welfare agencies had improperly continued to provide a total of $2.39 million in assistance to 1,164 deceased recipients, calling the figures "ugly." On Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade mocked the report, claiming, "More than 2 million dollars. That's the amount of welfare benefits paid out recently to nearly 1200 dead people in Massachusetts. They could not be reached for comment." A http://FoxNews.com article called the audit of the agencies "damning." But according to the audit, improper payments to deceased individuals made up only a tiny amount of total assistance payments made by the state. Massachusetts' Department of Transitional Assistance (DTA) spent more than $1.7 billion in benefits in fiscal year 2012 alone for a variety of financial assistance programs including the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (also known as SNAP, or food stamps) and emergency aid to people with disabilities and children. The audit found only $2.39 million dollars improperly paid to deceased recipients for the entire time period from July 2010 to December 2012. Furthermore, the audit found that Massachusetts has already taken steps to reduce the small number of improper payments in these programs, and according to the official press release, the auditor was "encouraged" by DTA's actions. Fox News has a history of attacking programs for Americans in need. Fox News hosts have tied government assistance programs to the terror attacks committed at the Boston Marathon, mocked food stamps as a diet plan, claimed all individuals who receive government disability benefits are faking their disabilities, and even asked whether children should have to work in exchange for free school meals. Notice anything wrong? Send Silk feedback Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 51. #11. To: tpaine (#0) Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, Medicaid, Public Schools, housing assistance: all necessary in an industrial age. Should not be punitive. Should be aimed at keeping families together, stabilizing the homes of children, ensuring proper nutrition and housing. And then, job placement services to try to re-employ the people who have fallen out, if that can be done, should be provided. It's a permanent need, like defense. We should quit our bitching about it and seek to make it more efficient and more effective. Opposing the necessary is an ideological dead end, a trip into the fever swamps of unreality. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-11   12:56:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Vicomte13 (#11) (Edited) Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, Medicaid, Public Schools, housing assistance: all necessary in an industrial age. Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, Medicaid, Public Schools, housing assistance: all necessary in an industrial age in a degenerate age where there is deteriorating attention and adherence to logical consequences. We have a massive out of wedlock birth rate, a massive divorce rate by playboy husbands leaving women with three kids to raise, are shipping jobs and industries out of the country, a subversive educational system, and an imposed socialist welfare system that has to cover the entirity. A mass of useless mindless fruitcakes like you don't help much. rlk  posted on  2015-05-11   15:22:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: rlk (#15) Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, Medicaid, Public Schools, housing assistance: all necessary in an industrial age in a degenerate age where there is deteriorating attention and adherence to logical consequences. Nope. It's industrialism. Before industrialization, most people had the family farm to retreat to in hard times and could get by. The Church could handle the small urban poor. But with industrialization, the cities burgeoned to the millions. There was still the farm to go home to for a generation, maybe two. But the farmers mostly died off, and people were mostly urban, living in apartments, no longer able to go home to the farm and grow their own food. And economic crises devastate whole cities that are specialized in some aspect of the economy. Net result: a mass of struggling humanity that cannot provide for itself, and that has no home out in the country to go to. The Church doesn't have the resources to handle that. Industrialized socities need government welfare systems to overcome the problem. The choices are: industrialize and have Social Security and welfare, or don't industrialize. You can't industrialize and not have those things without ending up having Indian levels of squalor. Hindu beliefs act as a shock absorber against unrest. Christian and secular values don't. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-11   17:48:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Vicomte13 (#26) Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, Medicaid, Public Schools, housing assistance: all necessary in an industrial age in a degenerate age where there is deteriorating attention and adherence to logical consequences. Nope. It's industrialism. According to subversives such as you. rlk  posted on  2015-05-11   19:24:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: rlk (#29) According to subversives such as you. "Subversive." What a hoot, You're a wingnut in the fever swamps of the extreme right. I'm trying to send you a lifeboat, really. I at least treat people like you with enough respect to try to engage you on your ideas. You're wrong, and I know that - the whole world knows it - but you're sincere and loyal, and those are good traits to have in allies. But you're like the Polish cavalry charging the tanks: the world has moved on from the world you believed in. It is never, ever coming back unless civilization collapses and we end up reverting to subsistence agriculture after massive die offs. And that's not bloody likely. Social Welfare isn't subversive. It's necessary. Trying to get rid of it is subversive. It's like chopping the supports out from under a bridge. If we were a country of 10 million people it might work. But we're a nation of 300 million and growing, 96% urbanized. We cannot live according to the ideals of the rural past, because the physical structures that supported the rural past are gone with the wind. The reality is that we live in cities and are dependent on large structures for food, water, transport, light, clothes, shelter. And we don't have the reserves we did back on the farm. That's all gone now. It probably wasn't a good trade off, but it was a trade that was made, and now here we are, living in cities, unable to "go back to the land" that we don't own anymore, or have the skills or tools to till. Or the will. In THIS world, we need social welfare, unless you prefer bloody revolution, Communism, National Socialism or Fascism. Take you pick. It's an unappetizing stew. What we have isn't so terrible. We live longer, have more options, know more, see more, and don't have to work as hard physically as our ancestors. These are, overall, reasonable gains. But they are, to a degree, the gains of the zoo animal: animals in the zoo live much longer than their wild counterparts. But the zoo is a prison, or can be. We don't have to make the social welfare state our prison. But we're not going to tear it down either, because that would mean mass starvation and death. Not happening. Come on - knock of the "subversive" business. This is REALITY. Open your eyes to it. You have much to offer as a realist. Dwelling in dreams of a never-never land just takes you off the game board for good. And for what? Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-11   20:05:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: Vicomte13 (#31) We cannot live according to the ideals of the rural past, because the physical structures that supported the rural past are gone with the wind. You're wrong about the ideals, and the physical structures. I recently moved to rural northern California, and everything is still here, as are the idealistic people who can, if needed, survive a collapse. The reality is that we live in cities and are dependent on large structures for food, water, transport, light, clothes, shelter. And we don't have the reserves we did back on the farm. That's all gone now. True enough, the reserves are gone, -- for the urban masses. Come a collapse, and they will die, but much of our rural population will survive. It probably wasn't a good trade off, but it was a trade that was made, and now here we are, living in cities, unable to "go back to the land" that we don't own anymore, or have the skills or tools to till. Or the will. You don't have a clue about how skillfull most rural americans are. We can cope. In THIS world, we need social welfare, unless you prefer bloody revolution, Communism, National Socialism or Fascism. Take you pick. In this world, we need to teach the urban masses how to survive when the lights go out. This cannot be done while giving them bread and circuses. Maybe we should have mandatory survival/boot camps every summer for the welfare queens, thugs and their spawn. It's an unappetizing stew. What we have isn't so terrible. We live longer, have more options, know more, see more, and don't have to work as hard physically as our ancestors. These are, overall, reasonable gains. But they are, to a degree, the gains of the zoo animal: animals in the zoo live much longer than their wild counterparts. But the zoo is a prison, or can be. --- We don't have to make the social welfare state our prison. But we're not going to tear it down either, because that would mean mass starvation and death. Not happening. Your head is in the sand. It's about to happen. tpaine  posted on  2015-05-11   20:45:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: tpaine (#36) What has happened in every country that is urbanized and experiences economic collapse is one of two things: emergency social welfare, organized by the state, or the lack thereof, in which case the massive number of urban dwellers go out and murder the countryfolk and take their stuff. Russia, China, Laos, Cambodia, Mexico, and so forth. This is an old familiar theme. People don't starve. They go to where the food is, in force. In countries that are under control, the government mediates this through social welfare. In countries were people are stupid and stubborn, there is no social welfare - there is war - and in modern wars, the Kulaks get creamed every time. "Country folks can survive" sang Hank Williams, Jr. General Sherman and Stalin and Mao and Poil Pot demonstrated that, against modern armies, no they can't. If country folks were left alone, they might make it. Nobody is going to leave them alone. The world never works that way, not over there, and not over here. So, we can be our brother's keeper, nice and civilized, with a social safety net and the requisite level of wealth redistribution to keep things from falling apart. Or we can choose the path of idiocy, break to pieces, and have revolution and mass murder. The first path is the better path by far. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-12   0:58:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: Vicomte13 (#44) What has happened in every country that is urbanized and experiences economic collapse is one of two things: emergency social welfare, organized by the state, or the lack thereof, in which case the massive number of urban dwellers go out and murder the countryfolk and take their stuff. -- Russia, China, Laos, Cambodia, Mexico, and so forth. This is an old familiar theme. People don't starve. They go to where the food is, in force. Yep, that's what happens in those other countries, the armed 'countryfolk' of the USA will not let that happen here. In countries that are under control, the government mediates this through social welfare. In countries were people are stupid and stubborn, there is no social welfare - there is war - and in modern wars, the Kulaks get creamed every time. --- "Country folks can survive" sang Hank Williams, Jr. General Sherman and Stalin and Mao and Poil Pot demonstrated that, against modern armies, no they can't. Do you really suppose our army will support a dictatorial govt, and fight their own countrymen? If country folks were left alone, they might make it. Nobody is going to leave them alone. The world never works that way, not over there, and not over here. --- So, we can be our brother's keeper, nice and civilized, with a social safety net and the requisite level of wealth redistribution to keep things from falling apart. Or we can choose the path of idiocy, break to pieces, and have revolution and mass murder. The first path is the better path by far. It's a choice of your brand of socialism or chaos, aye? -- You need rest... tpaine  posted on  2015-05-12   10:59:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: tpaine (#47) It's a choice of your brand of socialism Socialism? That word doesn't mean what you think it means. Socialism is public ownership of the means of production. I don't care about that. Social welfare is insurance, not socialism. It's a clear difference. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-12   15:17:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #50. To: Vicomte13 (#49) Do you really suppose our army will support a dictatorial govt, and fight their own countrymen? Of course. They did it in the Whiskey Rebellion. They did it in the Civil War. They did it when MacArthur rode down the Veterans in Washington DC. They were ready to do it in the South when Mississippi burnt and the schools were ordered open. --- The military men will follow orders. Don't bet on it, if it's an Obama type regime, trying to stop rural citizens from defending themselves from urban mobs. It's a choice of your brand of socialism, - or a surrender to anarchy? Socialism? That word doesn't mean what you think it means. --- Socialism is public ownership of the means of production. I don't care about that- -- Social welfare is insurance, not socialism. Your brand of 'social insurance' would lead us down the road to serfdom. There's a clear difference tpaine  posted on  2015-05-12   19:02:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #51. To: tpaine (#50) Your brand of 'social insurance' would lead us down the road to serfdom. "My brand" of social insurance has been in place in America for 80 years, and in the most developed parts of Europe for over a century. Far from leading anybody into serfdom, it has made people freer and given them greater choices than ever before. What it HAS done is clip the wings, somewhat, of the plutocracy (but they're still doing fine). You people on the far Right have been making the same hysterical pronouncements for one hundred years. You've been wrong all along, and you still are. Generations pass and you never learn from your mistakes. The greatest irony is that many on the far Right are people who would not be literate or have much security at all but for the fact of the social welfare state, starting with universal public schooling. The upper class generally understand, from long and bitter experience (they DID learn something) that everybody has to have enough to live on decently, that if there's any substantial number of people in desperation, there will be violent revolt and democratic movement...and democracy on the march never favors the interests of the small cohort of super rich. So THEY get it just about everywhere, and generally support the social welfare state: it keeps the peace. And then there is the far Right, perpetually aggrieved that the world just doesn't behave the way they think it ought to. And they never seem to get it. So the world moves on anyway, and they get pulled along, kicking and screaming all the way, declaiming how everything is unraveling and we're all going to hell in a handbasket very soon. And it keeps not happening. Lather. Reince. Repeat. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-05-12   19:39:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 51. #52. To: Vicomte13 (#51) Your brand of 'social insurance' would (and has) lead us down the road to serfdom. "My brand" of social insurance has been in place in America for 80 years, and in the most developed parts of Europe for over a century. Far from leading anybody into serfdom, it has made people freer and given them greater choices than ever before. Recent history is showing us the failure of 'your brand' of socialistic welfare. It is about to collapse, and you are in denial of that fact. What it HAS done is clip the wings, somewhat, of the plutocracy (but they're still doing fine). --- You people on the far Right have been making the same hysterical pronouncements for one hundred years. You've been wrong all along, and you still are. Generations pass and you never learn from your mistakes. The social welfare states you champion are going broke, and believe you me, we will learn from those mistakes. Millions will die because of the coming financial collapse. The greatest irony is that many on the far Right are people who would not be literate or have much security at all but for the fact of the social welfare state, starting with universal public schooling. Our grandfather's did quite well without the social welfare state. They built up a fantastic capitalistic civilisation, and then watched it degrade under the 'progressive socialism' of the last 80 years. The upper class generally understand, from long and bitter experience (they DID learn something) that everybody has to have enough to live on decently, that if there's any substantial number of people in desperation, there will be violent revolt and democratic movement...and democracy on the march never favors the interests of the small cohort of super rich. So THEY get it just about everywhere, and generally support the social welfare state: it keeps the peace. Yep, bread and circuses sure worked for the Romans. And then there is the far Right, perpetually aggrieved that the world just doesn't behave the way they think it ought to. And they never seem to get it. ---- So the world moves on anyway, and they get pulled along, kicking and screaming all the way, declaiming how everything is unraveling and we're all going to hell in a handbasket very soon. --- And it keeps not happening. It is happening, and you're whistling in the soon to be graveyard. tpaine  posted on  2015-05-12 20:20:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 51. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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