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Title: Medals and Memories for WW2 Jewish Veterans From Russia
Source: nytimes.com
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/n ... r-ii-veterans-from-russia.html
Published: May 09, 2015
Author: BENJAMIN MUELLER
Post Date: 2015-05-10 21:53:29 by Pericles
Keywords: Russia, WW2
Views: 3498
Comments: 18

Medals and Memories for Jewish Veterans From Russia

By BENJAMIN MUELLERMAY 9, 2015

Leonid Rozenberg sat on his walker, his wrists draped over its aluminum arms and his suit lapels dripping with war medals, as a crush of Russians of all ages jostled to get closer. Some offered red carnations, which he slipped into spaces in the frame of the walker. Others carried cameras, or pointed at his gold-and-silver chest, trying to elicit a story.

He indulged each visitor and, then, with a viselike handshake or a kiss on the cheek, sent them off, leaning back into his rolling throne as another tier of people pushed closer.

In Brooklyn on Saturday, the 70th anniversary of the Allied victory over the Nazis in World War II was celebrated as one of the last chances to pay tribute to a group that is becoming increasingly rare: Jewish veterans of the Russian Red Army.

Once hundreds strong in heavily Russian sections of Brooklyn, these veterans are now a shrinking club. But for the throngs of supporters who turned out on a drizzly Saturday morning, declining numbers became a cause for renewed attention to this segment of the Allied forces, who many feel have taken a back seat in history to American and British soldiers.

“People are not taught about the role of soldiers on the other side of the Eastern Front,” Mr. Rozenberg, 93, said through a translator. “They are not told this.”

May 9, he continued, is a chance to fight back against a tide of forgetfulness, a “holy day” for him and the few dozen other veterans who donned old medals for a slow march on the boardwalk in Brighton Beach.

Mr. Rozenberg said: “For people to learn, you have to talk about it, the sacrifice that happened in the Soviet Union.”

In 1939, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed a nonaggression pact. But by 1941, some historians say, the Soviet Union was bearing a large part of the burden. Many on Saturday cited the estimate by some historians that for every American soldier who died fighting Germany, 80 Soviet soldiers were killed.

Of the 500,000 Jews who fought for the Red Army, about 200,000 are thought to have died on the battlefield or in German captivity.

Boris Yezersky, whose grandfather escaped execution at the hands of the Germans by fleeing into the woods at age 15 before earning 27 orders and medals for his military service, said he attends every anniversary celebration to tell his grandfather’s story. He carried red carnations, the same kind he remembered placing at a memorial in Minsk as a child, and passed handfuls to his two children to give to veterans.

His son Lawrence, 10, lifted a sign, drawn in colored pencils and attached to a small branch, depicting the orange and black ribbon of the Order of Saint George, a symbol of victory.

“He tells his teachers the story,” Mr. Yezersky said of his son, named after Mr. Yezersky’s grandfather Lev. “If it wasn’t for the Soviet army, what would have happened during World War II?”

(In a reminder of the way political tensions can complicate such celebrations, someone on Saturday was handing out fliers urging people to put away their ribbons, citing the way pro-Russian separatists have brandished them during the recent crisis in Ukraine.)

Mr. Yezersky said he cherished the chance to be at the boardwalk for one of the last big remembrances. “This is one of the last few years to see them alive,” he said.

After holding court outside the Shorefront YM-YWCA, Mr. Rozenberg lifted himself from his seat and led a row of veterans down the boardwalk, some of them carrying pillows affixed with additional medals. Mr. Rozenberg was separated from his family when he left for the Kiev School of Artillery in 1939, according to an account preserved by the Blavatnik Archive, which has collected the stories of Jewish Red Army veterans. Five years later, near Bialystok, he encountered his father, a captain in a bomber regiment, who told him his mother, brother and sister had been killed by the Nazis.

He said in an interview that he remembered the days veterans like him walked in stronger numbers, but saw this anniversary as a chance to “spread the truth.”

Hidden in recollections of the war’s destruction were moments of serendipity. Asya Gindina, 89, served as a medic and recalled tending to a badly burned soldier who had been left for dead. “If I survive, I’ll find you,” she recalled him telling her, and he did: Several years later, they married.

Waiters from restaurants along the boardwalk lined the parade. A brass band played songs from the postwar Soviet Union.

Gene Rubinshteyn, 44, held aloft a red Soviet flag, not as an ideological symbol, he said, but rather as a reminder of the sacrifice soldiers like his grandfather made.

Leon Geyer opened a binder that held photos of his two grandfathers beside a page of medals, pointing to each in turn and explaining the history they held. As the drizzle turned into a steady rain on the boardwalk, his mother Yeva took out a tissue and wiped the plastic photo covers clean.

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#1. To: All (#0) (Edited)

Good war memorial.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-10   21:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pericles (#0)

But by 1941, some historians say, the Soviet Union was bearing a large part of the burden. Many on Saturday cited the estimate by some historians that for every American soldier who died fighting Germany, 80 Soviet soldiers were killed.

They say that like it was a bad thing.

Do NOT forget these bastards fought for the communists,and are parasites that came to this country and promoted communism here.

They just ain't dying fast enough.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-11   5:25:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: sneakypete (#2)

Do NOT forget these bastards fought for the communists,and are parasites that came to this country and promoted communism here.

That's harsh. They were draftees and both sides were heartless bad guys. They fought for the side that wasn't determined to exterminate them and their families.

And you would do the same exact thing if you were them.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-11   7:34:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative, sneakypete (#3)

I am kind of suprised by Pete's attitude. Is the "Brothers In Arms" tradition dead in the US military where you can respect the other soldier while you fight him? I always wonder about that ever since the Pentagon/State Dept/White House simplified the langauge where whoever we fight is actually labeled "the bad guys" to the press - as if they are speaking to 7 year olds. Also, they label every enemy we have 'the next Hitler'. Well, here we have the actual soldiers who killed 80% of Hitler's army - and in the case of these Soviet Jews - it was a personal matter of survival.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-11   13:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#3)

That's harsh.

Yes,it is,but it is also true.

They were draftees and both sides were heartless bad guys.

A lot of both the Soviet and the Nazi soldiers were true-believers.Not that I blame them for being true-believers at the time because their totalitarian governments were all they knew. The ones whose feet I do hold to the fire are the ones that were still true believers after the war was over and they should have known better.

They fought for the side that wasn't determined to exterminate them and their families.

Untrue. Both fought for sides that would just as happily murder them and their familes as they would anyone else. Murder and fear of murder was how they ran their governments.

And you would do the same exact thing if you were them.

It would be a cold day in hell before you would ever find ME defending communism or it's adult brother,fascism.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-11   14:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pericles (#4)

I am kind of suprised by Pete's attitude. Is the "Brothers In Arms" tradition dead in the US military where you can respect the other soldier while you fight him?

How old are you,8?

I don't respect anyone that purposely defends and supports evil. I can cut them some slack for doing so while the war was being fought and they didn't know any better,but to still be bragging about it 70 years later after emigrating to a free country they then tried to corrupt with their communist beliefs? Hell,NO! IMHO,we should send their asses back to Russia to die.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-11   14:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete (#6)

With your over simplifications, it is you who sounds like the 8 year old.

Pericles  posted on  2015-05-11   14:14:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pericles (#7)

With your over simplifications, it is you who sounds like the 8 year old.

I had to make it simple in the hope that you could understand it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-11   15:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#5)

It would be a cold day in hell before you would ever find ME defending communism or it's adult brother,fascism.

If you lived in Poland or Romania or Ukraine or Russia during WW II, you didn't have the luxury of fighting for truth, justice and the American way. It wasn't in the cards.

You can't expect me to take you seriously.

The Soviets and eastern Europeans lost over 20 million in WW II, over two-thirds of them soldiers. America lost about 300,000 total in both the European and Asian theaters of WW II.

It is quite obvious who bore the brunt of the murderous Nazi assault and who drove it back and killed them in the millions. And it wasn't America and Britain. We did give Russia some vital aid at a crucial juncture (in our own long-term interst) and we joined in invading Europe to open the western front Hitler rightly dreaded but only after the tide had turned against Germany in the battle of Kursk and the fight for Leningrad and other German setbacks.

It's small of us to diminish the bloody sacrifices the Russians and other eastern Europeans made in ending the Nazi menace.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-11   22:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative (#9)

If you lived in Poland or Romania or Ukraine or Russia during WW II, you didn't have the luxury of fighting for truth, justice and the American way. It wasn't in the cards.

Which is pretty much the same thing I said. Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

And that little factoid changes nothing. Any who were ignorant as to reality in 1940 know better today,and bragging about supporting the Soviet system now is inexcusable.

You can't expect me to take you seriously.

I don't really care one way or the other.

The Soviets and eastern Europeans lost over 20 million in WW II,over two-thirds of them soldiers.

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of people.

America lost about 300,000 total in both the European and Asian theaters of WW II.

We had better trained and equipped troops,better tactics,and better leaders,and you somehow think this puts us at fault,and that maybe we should have lost more in the mass suicide attacks the Soviets used?

It is quite obvious who bore the brunt of the murderous Nazi assault and who drove it back and killed them in the millions.

Cry me a fucking river. It's a damn s hame more of them didn't die. Don't forget,the Soviets and the Nazi's were allies right up to the point where the Nazi's invaded Russia. They were bestest buds while invading and splitting up Poland,though.

And it wasn't America and Britain.

Neither of us were Soviet allies,although King Franklin and his commie wife were Soviets at heart.

We did give Russia some vital aid

SOME????? As in we kept the bastards fed,clothed,armed,and healthy?

at a crucial juncture (in our own long-term interst)

Yeah,screw that "our own best interest" stuff,right? What we should always do is work against out own best interests! Maybe we should have nuked Portand instead of Nagasaki?

and we joined in invading Europe to open the western front Hitler rightly dreaded but only after the tide had turned against Germany in the battle of Kursk and the fight for Leningrad and other German setbacks.

We should have just let them bleed each other out.

It's small of us to diminish the bloody sacrifices the Russians and other eastern Europeans made in ending the Nazi menace.

No,it's not. The only good communist is a dead communist,and the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-12   2:27:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#10)

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of people.

Draftees. Most of them were fighting for their homeland against genocidal invaders, more than they were fighting for Soviet communism and ideology. Would you also say the draftees in our Vietnam war getting killed "couldn't happen to a more deserving group of people"? And they were actual invaders of Vietnam with a lot of civvy casualties from that war. I don't think you would.

Neither of us were Soviet allies,although King Franklin and his commie wife were Soviets at heart.

We were most certainly allies with the Soviets, along with Britain. You may recall a few photos of FDR, Churchill and Stalin. At Yalta for instance. That was a top-level Allied meeting.

Axis and Allies had very specific meaning in WW II, even if you want to rewrite history at this late date.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-12   11:21:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative (#11)

Would you also say the draftees in our Vietnam war getting killed "couldn't happen to a more deserving group of people"?

Apples and oranges. The US draftees and other military people fighting in VN were fighting to overthrow communist oppression so other people could live free.

And they were actual invaders of Vietnam with a lot of civvy casualties from that war. I don't think you would.

What a dumbass claim to make! They were NOT invaders,although they SHOULD have invaded NVN and executed the bastards running that country.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-12   14:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#12)

Apples and oranges. The US draftees and other military people fighting in VN were fighting to overthrow communist oppression so other people could live free.

Draftees don't have an ideology. They are forced to fight.

And we most certainly did invade Vietnam and did so on a phony pretext by LBJ and the Pentagon. The presence of a collaborator regime in Vietnam (whose head we kept killing off to keep the collaborator regime compliant) didn't fool anyone. It was a puppet regime and we did little to even try to disguise that.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-12   14:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative (#13)

Draftees don't have an ideology.

I am sure everyone that was ever drafted will be happy to learn they were mindless drones.

And we most certainly did invade Vietnam and did so on a phony pretext by LBJ and the Pentagon.

You are so full of shit on this I hardly know where to begin.

First off,we signed an agreement to come to the defense of EITHER North or South VN if they were invaded in the future by the other side at the end of WW-2 when the Japanese and French were ran out,and the country was divided into communist and free section.

Secondly,it was King Franklin that sent the first US troops (OSS) into Indonesia,which is what VN was called prior to the end of WW-2.

Eisenhower sent US military observers into VN to advise him when the VN were fighing for indepednece from the French after WW-2,and they advised him to stay out of the fight. He did,and the French ended up dropping the colony and then the civil war began between the communists trained and supported by the USSR,and the people of other religions. The decision was made to divide the country with the north being controlled by the communists and the people in the south living free. There was a perios of time when anyone that wanted could leave the communist north for the south,or leave the south to live in the communist north. That was supposed to have settled it,but the north started infiltrating NVN cadre into the south to start a civil war because they wanted the whole cake,not just a slice. The Viet Cong were NOT "SV rice farmers fighting an oppressive government". They were agents of a oppressive government that wanted to overthrow the country and turn it into another Soviet sattellite state.

Because of this,the US and the other nations that signed the peace agreement that created North and South VN were invited into the south by the LEGAL government there to help them fight off the invasion and subversion of the north.

Finally,it was JFK that sent the first combat troops into VN. They were Special Forces advisors sent it to help train and modernize the SVN Army,and to train militia forces.

It WAS LBJ that sent in the first conventional military combat units and turned into a conventoinal war,and he was the bastard that set the official policy to just fight the war,but not to win it. Mostly because he and his family and friends were getting millions from building new military bases,airports,roads,bridges,etc,etc,etc.

The presence of a collaborator regime in Vietnam (whose head we kept killing off to keep the collaborator regime compliant) didn't fool anyone. It was a puppet regime and we did little to even try to disguise that.

Youd do make a valid point that it is impossible to fool a fool because nature has already beaten you to it.

Other than that,you are full of shit again. The US had nothing to do with the death of Diem. It was his own Generals who decided to do that because he was losing the war. AND,Diem was the only one assassignated,so I don't have any idea WTF you came up with the "kept on killing off" part. You must be a product of a leftist upbringing to even think that.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-12   15:41:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#14)

First off,we signed an agreement to come to the defense of EITHER North or South VN if they were invaded in the future by the other side at the end of WW-2 when the Japanese and French were ran out,and the country was divided into communist and free section.

Secondly,it was King Franklin that sent the first US troops (OSS) into Indonesia,which is what VN was called prior to the end of WW-2.

You overlook that FDR refused to even see Ho Chi Minh at the post-WW II conferences where the fate of these occupied countries and former colonies was determined. Ho Chi Minh was not exactly a radical Red back then.

Having blocked true independence for Vietnam, Truman and Eisenhower shamelessly supported the French invasion and re-colonization effort in Vietnam. 80% of the French troops and equipment were transported on U.S. military ships since France was so down on her luck (but desperate to have another piece of ground and some Asian people to grind under her boot much as she still does in her miserable Francophone empire in northern and eastern Africa).

Other than that,you are full of shit again. The US had nothing to do with the death of Diem. It was his own Generals who decided to do that because he was losing the war. AND,Diem was the only one assassignated,so I don't have any idea WTF you came up with the "kept on killing off" part. You must be a product of a leftist upbringing to even think that.

Obviously, you know very little about the diplomatic and political skullduggery involved.

Only a naive child would believe your version of Vietnam. It was a scummy worthless little war for a country no one gave a shit about then and no one gives a shit about now. It was a grotesque war-of-choice that despoiled several small helpless nations. And we were so shameless we refused for decades to release our mine maps, something even the Soviets did after Afghanistan. Thousands of peasants got killed that way. We could have cared less. Because there was never anything benevolent or positive in regard to our invasion and occupation of Vietnam. It was all a disaster.

I can't imagine how anyone can defend the Vietnam war as a Good Thing. It was actually a senseless tragedy for almost everyone involved in it. Including you. Some of the best years of your youth were wasted on a nothing war.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-12   18:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#15)

You overlook that FDR refused to even see Ho Chi Minh at the post-WW II conferences where the fate of these occupied countries and former colonies was determined.

WTH did you go to school? King Franklin didn't see Uncle Ho at the post war meeting because King Franklin waa dead,Jim.

Only a naive child would believe your version of Vietnam.

Un,huh. Tell me a story,daddy!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-12   19:13:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#16)

Just as with the Yalta conference, there were plenty of meetings about the shape of the post-war world. America was decisive in many of these, including Vietnam. Most strategy was conducted along the guidelines of the War Peace Studies Group at the State Department.

1944-1947: Ho Chi Minh Reaches out to US; US Diplomats Note He Has No Direct Ties to Soviet Union

Ho Chi Minh is leading the Vietminh—a popular movement of Catholics, Buddhists, small businessmen, communists and farmers—in their fight for Vietnam’s independence from the French. He makes a dozen appeals to US President Roosevelt, Secretary of State Cordell Hull, and the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee for help, insisting he is not a communist and suggesting that Indochina could be a “fertile field for American capital and enterprise.” He even mentions the possibility of allowing a US base in Camranh Bay. Likewise, US diplomats in Vietnam in their communications to Washington note that he has no direct ties to the Soviet Union and that he is a “symbol of nationalism and the struggle for freedom to the overwhelming majority of the population.” Major Archimedes L. A. Patti of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) later writes that Ho “pleaded not for military or economic aid,… but for understanding, for moral support, for a voice in the forum of western democracies. But the United States would not read his mail because, as I was informed, the DRV Government was not recognized by the United States and it would be ‘improper’ for the president or anyone in authority to acknowledge such correspondence.” Instead, the US will help the French—even offering them two atomic bombs. Ho Chi Minh is eventually forced in 1950 to look to the USSR and China for support. [Herring, 1986, pp. 10; Pilger, 1986, pp. 188]

Ho Chi Minh lived in America for quite a while as a young man, knew and admired America, wanted America's support for Vietnamese independence. Instead, FDR and Truman put them under the French lash (because France was whining that they'd turn commie if they didn't have some lesser races to grind under their heels in their imaginary empire) and Eisenhower foolishly followed along that trail of grotesque folly, Ike's single biggest blunder after honoring his promise to put Earl Warren on the Supreme Court in exchange for his support for the GOP nomination.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-05-12   20:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TooConservative (#17)

Ike's single biggest blunder after honoring his promise to put Earl Warren on the Supreme Court in exchange for his support for the GOP nomination.

I'd have a hard time arguing with that.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-05-12   20:20:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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