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Title: Karl Rove surrenders to ObamaCare
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl ... l-rove-surrenders-to-obamacare
Published: May 8, 2015
Author: Brent Budowsky
Post Date: 2015-05-08 23:09:57 by out damned spot
Keywords: Rove, Obamacare, sell out
Views: 5702
Comments: 32

It is with great pleasure that I rise in praise of Karl Rove, who now largely agrees with me that Republicans should place into the dustbin their bogus proposal to repeal ObamaCare.

In my recent column in The Hill, "The 'Clinton Cash' con," I suggested that the new book by Peter Schweizer proves absolutely nothing on the matter of whether Hillary Clinton committed any wrongdoing, and it is a con to suggest or imply otherwise. I add today a discussion of another con game by Republicans, the suggestion that they will repeal ObamaCare, which they know they will not do, but pretend they will to give red meat to the right-wing base; a promise they know they will not keep.

And now comes Rove, on the op-ed page of The Wall Street Journal and the other places he inhabits, telling Republicans (correctly) that their pledge to repeal ObamaCare is a bad and politically stupid idea. Rove's acknowledges (correctly) that it will not be repealed, and warns Republicans (correctly) they could pay a heavy price with voters if the Supreme Court overturns ObamaCare and Republicans have to face endless news stories about the bad things that happen to Americans if ObamaCare is overturned or repealed and Republicans have nothing to offer instead (which they don't).

I believe Chief Justice John Roberts and a Supreme Court majority will uphold ObamaCare in its upcoming and monumental decision. I believe the court will agree with me that the legislative intent of the law is clear, that all exchanges should receive subsidies, and that they will agree with me that the havoc to healthcare and the painful damage to Americans from a decision against ObamaCare, or repeal of ObamaCare, would be a disaster.

Rove's surrender to ObamaCare, advising Republicans against pretending they would repeal ObamaCare, is politically very wise. Rove's fear about what happens to Republicans if the court does overturn ObamaCare provisions and the world witnesses horror stories of Americans being hurt because of Republican anti-ObamaCare politics — without any Republican policy to undo the damage — is politically brilliant.

Imagine daily stories on television about very ill Americans being stripped of healthcare, about children losing their insurance because they would no longer be covered by their parent's policies, about Americans with preexisting conditions being thrown to the insurance wolves without ObamaCare, and about huge insurance premium increases that would punish many millions of Americans because of the Republican war against ObamaCare.

When the first American dies because of the loss of ObamaCare, the world will witness the mother of all Republican and conservative cons: the death panels were not caused by ObamaCare; they were prevented by ObamaCare, and without ObamaCare, people will die and voters will blame Republicans for the real equivalent of death panels, created by the Republicans in their war against ObamaCare.

For once, Rove is right: Republicans should surrender in their war to repeal ObamaCare, and if they do not, Democrats will win big and Republicans will lose big — no matter how the Supreme Court decides.

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#1. To: out damned spot (#0) (Edited)

Karl Rove surrenders to ObamaCare

Rove, and those like him, haven't surrendered anything. To surrender you must have been part of an opposing force. Rove, and others, have never been a part of any opposition. What he has always represented is a catch-up program to see how well he can adopt measures that will buy votes in a progressively parasitic indolent decaying society that will not provide for it's self, but expects to receive everything through a process of Marxist wealth distribution.

Socialists come up with an idea, and he jumps on their bandwagon. It's affirmative action for a nation of clucks.

rlk  posted on  2015-05-09   2:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: rlk (#1)

Obamacare was created because the private sector proved itself incapable of providing affordable health care.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-05-09   5:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: out damned spot (#0)

When the first American dies because of the loss of ObamaCare, the world will witness the mother of all Republican and conservative cons: the death panels were not caused by ObamaCare; they were prevented by ObamaCare, and without ObamaCare, people will die and voters will blame Republicans for the real equivalent of death panels, created by the Republicans in their war against ObamaCare.

You know I wonder how many "more" people have died because they used to have insurance but now can't afford it because of ObolaCare??

Also wonder how many more uninsured people there are now compared to what the government claimed before, 5-10 million more??

It won't be long and we will catch up with all of the other Socialist healthcare systems around the world and will be looking for another country to travel to for decent healthcare. And at a fraction of the cost of the Socialist style programs of course...

ObolaCare (and Socialism/Communism) was never about making life for the populace better, just about giving more power to the political class.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-05-09   7:40:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: out damned spot (#0)

"and warns Republicans (correctly) they could pay a heavy price with voters if the Supreme Court overturns ObamaCare"

WHAT??

First of all, Obamacare was passed without one Republican vote.

Second, if the Supreme Court rules Obamacare to be unconstitutional, blame the Supreme Court. Blame the Democrats who wrote it. Blame the Democrats who passed it. But blame the Republicans? For what?

Third, if the Supreme Court rules Obamacare to be unconstitutional, there's no need for anyone to repeal it.

Lastly, if the Supreme Court rules Obamacare to be unconstitutional, ANY plan that the Republicans propose is better than nothing.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-09   8:29:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: out damned spot (#0)

Now, the great killers are saving lives? Light is now dark and the Moon really is made of Cheese. Fantastic.

Don  posted on  2015-05-09   8:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Willie Green (#2)

"Obamacare was created because the private sector proved itself incapable of providing affordable health care."

The private sector was doing just fine until Congress passed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) in 1986, forcing hospitals to treat patients irregardless of their ability to pay.

In order to compensate for that free care, hospitals jacked up the rates on those who could pay. Or they would have gone bankrupt.

More and more people decided they didn't need to pay for health insurance once they realized medical treatment was free. Hell, even people who qualified for free Medicaid weren't signing up.

So Obama's solution was to force everyone to buy health insurance, hoping the insurance companies would be so grateful for the increased business that they'd lower their rates.

Hah! They raised them.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-09   8:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#6)

The private sector was doing just fine until Congress passed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) in 1986, forcing hospitals to treat patients irregardless of their ability to pay.

What were hospitals doing before EMTALA?
Tossing patients out in the gutter to die if they couldn't afford emergency treatment?

That's not a civilized solution for the wealthiest nation on the face of the planet.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-05-09   9:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Willie Green (#7)

"What were hospitals doing before EMTALA?" "Tossing patients out in the gutter to die if they couldn't afford emergency treatment?"

Have you read stories about that happening? Was that a huge scandal at the time? Seems that it would be, don't you think?

Yet we heard nothing. Why would you even bring that up?

Before 1986, people treated health care they way they treated any other service. They would no more demand free medical care than they would demand a free oil change. They bought insurance or paid cash. It's called "personal responsibility".

"That's not a civilized solution for the wealthiest nation on the face of the planet."

I see. But it is civilized to take my hard-earned money and give it to someone else?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-09   9:26:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#8)

Have you read stories about that happening? Was that a huge scandal at the time? Seems that it would be, don't you think?
Yet we heard nothing. Why would you even bring that up?

Because despite your revisionist denial, "patient dumping" of indigent & uninsured patients was indeed a scandalous practice prior to enactment of EMTALA.

But it is civilized to take my hard-earned money and give it to someone else?

It's no different than any other insurance policy that you pay into more than you collect. That's how insurance works.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-05-09   9:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Willie Green (#9)

"But it is civilized to take my hard-earned money and give it to someone else?"

I'm referring to expansion of Medicaid and Obamacare subsidies. Those funds come out of my paycheck.

Too many people in the wagon, amigo, and not enough people pulling it.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-09   10:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Willie Green (#2)

Obamacare was created because the private sector proved itself incapable of providing affordable health care.

That is your socialist interpretation. A few years ago this country produced the greatest opportunities and the highest standard of living in the world. Now it's being subjected to criticism from Marxists like you on all sides for injustice and inequality.

rlk  posted on  2015-05-09   11:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Willie Green (#2)

Obamacare was created because the private sector proved itself incapable of providing affordable health care.

That is your socialist interpretation. A few years ago this country produced the greatest opportunities and the highest standard of living in the world. Now it's being subjected to criticism from Marxists like you on all sides for injustice and inequality. Nothing is, or has ever been, right about it.

rlk  posted on  2015-05-09   11:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: rlk (#12)

A few years ago this country produced the greatest opportunities and the highest standard of living in the world.

History shows that bigotry, segregation and discrimination produced "the greatest opportunities and the highest standard of living" for some while others were locked out. The rich get richer and everybody else gets screwed.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-05-09   12:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Willie Green (#13) (Edited)

History shows that bigotry, segregation and discrimination produced "the greatest opportunities and the highest standard of living" for some while others were locked out.

That statement is indefensible.

rlk  posted on  2015-05-09   12:52:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: rlk, Willie Green (#14)

Its all whiteys fault dontcha know?

Heck, in Africa, before the white man came, blacks were flying around on spaceships!

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-05-09   13:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: rlk, Dead Culture Watch (#15)

Jim Crow laws.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-05-09   13:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Willie Green (#16)

ya, am sure the few whites left in ferguson were big practitioners of Jim Crow laws.

BTW, how is Selma, the city, doing nowadays? Jim Crow died 50 years ago, surely it must be a paradise by now, right?

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-05-09   13:35:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Dead Culture Watch (#15)

Its all whiteys fault dontcha know?

LBJ's Great Society War on Poverty wasn't just about African-American Civil Rights, dontcha know?
Poverty in Appalachia typified the plight of many poorly educated whites in rural America.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-05-09   13:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Willie Green (#18)

Can't answer question? Shall I?

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-05-09   14:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Dead Culture Watch (#19)

Go ahead.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-05-09   16:19:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Willie Green (#20)

Violent crime rate in 2012 Selma: 754.0 U.S. Average: 214.0

Read more: www.city-data.com/crime/c...labama.html#ixzz3ZgZFXhW6

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-05-09   20:32:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Dead Culture Watch (#21)

That's not surprising...
Selma benefited economically from the establishment of Craig Air Force Base in 1940 prior to WWII for pilot training. Selma's population peaked during the Vietnam years, but plummeted 30% following the base closure. Today the population is about the same as it was back in 1940.

Selma is no different than many other Rust Belt / Cotton Belt communities that have NOT benefited from "trickle down" economics. Their efforts for economic recovery have been undermined by globalization, and the outsourcing of productive employment to Third World nations who do not observe the same labor, health, safety & environmental standards that we do.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-05-10   8:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Willie Green (#9)

Because despite your revisionist denial, "patient dumping" of indigent & uninsured patients was indeed a scandalous practice prior to enactment of EMTALA.

Well, YOUR compassion is costing ME money.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-10   8:57:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: misterwhite (#23)

Well as Leonard Nimoy used to say: "Live long and prosper!"

Willie Green  posted on  2015-05-10   10:00:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Willie Green (#24)

"Well as Leonard Nimoy used to say: "Live long and prosper!"

Yeah. That didn't cost him anything to say it.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-10   10:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: misterwhite (#25)

Yeah. That didn't cost him anything to say it.

Well if you don't like Obamacare, then you should be in favor of Single Payer Universal Health Care for everybody. The system of private insurance companies that we have now is horribly inefficient. Not only is each private company a separate and distinctive non-productive bureaucracy, but each has to contend with a different set of rules and regulations for each state that it operates in.
But a National, Single Payer System can enjoy tremendous economies of scale by doing away with all that bureacratic and often conflicting red tape and providine a single, nationwide, standardized system for everybody! And best of all, absolutely NONE of your insurance premium gets sucked away as "profits" for rich people who can already afford medical care without buying insurance anyway.

Do you think the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson buy health care insurance?
Hell no... of course not...
If any of those rich old coots has a medical emergency, they just buy the whole goddam hospital and threaten to lay everybody off if they don't get the best treatment available free of charge.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-05-10   10:51:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Willie Green (#26)

"But a National, Single Payer System can enjoy tremendous economies of scale ..."

Then vote for Hillary. That's what she proposed when she was First Lady (HillaryCare). Of course, her plan crashed and burned so bad it made the Hindenburg look like a bumpy landing. Nobody wanted it. Except you, obviously.

"And best of all, absolutely NONE of your insurance premium gets sucked away as "profits" for rich people"

True. All the premiums would go into the general fund -- like Social Security -- then be sucked away by the politicians and spent on something else.

At some point the healthcare system will be declared "broke", and services will need to be cut and premiums raised. And federal government "death panels" will kill more people than pre- EMTALA emergency room refusals.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-05-10   13:27:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Willie Green (#26)

Well if you don't like Obamacare, then you should be in favor of Single Payer Universal Health Care for everybody.

You know I wonder why you are against the concept of self reliance??

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-05-10   16:51:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: CZ82 (#28)

You know I wonder why you are against the concept of self reliance??

Well putting it bluntly, it's because in the 21st Century "global economy," the average individual has little influence vis-à-vis the corrupting powers of global corporations and their wealthy sharehoders,

If you TRULY believe in a competitive marketplace, there MUST be some form of government regulation to establish and maintain a truly competitive marketplace... And preventing dominant economic entities from erecting barriers to innovative market competition. That includes beefing up antitrust legislation to prevent the formation of transnational corporations that are "too big to fail." Wall Street will squeal like a stuck pig, but the bottom line is" "We the People" are sovereign... not "We the Stockholders".

Capisce?

Willie Green  posted on  2015-05-10   17:15:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Willie Green (#29)

Well putting it bluntly, it's because in the 21st Century "global economy," the average individual has little influence vis-à-vis the corrupting powers of global corporations and their wealthy sharehoders,

If you TRULY believe in a competitive marketplace, there MUST be some form of government regulation to establish and maintain a truly competitive marketplace... And preventing dominant economic entities from erecting barriers to innovative market competition. That includes beefing up antitrust legislation to prevent the formation of transnational corporations that are "too big to fail." Wall Street will squeal like a stuck pig, but the bottom line is" "We the People" are sovereign... not "We the Stockholders".

Capisce?

So what you are saying is "the average individual" voting for the politicians the corporations have corrupted "AREN'T" responsible for the mess you just described, I.E. voting for their own demise (people like you)?

Capisce?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-05-11   6:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: CZ82 (#30)

The Corporate Plutocrats & Billionaires control whose campaign gets funded and onto the ballot.
Better candidates with inadequate funding are not available for Average Americans to choose from.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-05-11   11:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Willie Green (#31)

Which still brings us back to why vote for someone you know is a POS?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-05-11   18:29:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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