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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Bible Study See other Bible Study Articles Title: Because to two accusatons, I will answer questions Source: [None] URL Source: [None] Published: May 7, 2015 Author: Pastor Bob Celeste ACP Post Date: 2015-05-07 13:16:39 by BobCeleste Keywords: ACP Views: 28564 Comments: 103 Biff Tannen made this accusation: “Many things, probably most, of the things you claim about God and Christianity are not in the bible.” A Pole made this accusation: “Because you make things up that are not in the Scriptures.” In both instances I replied to them asking them to show even one example of the accusation, neither has done so, but, because of the accusation, I have opened a thirty day email account with HushMail.com I will answer any question dealing with my theology or any non prophecy question regarding the Bible. The email address is biblequestions@hushmail.com Don’t believe Biff Tannen or A Pole, ask your own questions and judge for yourself. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-41) not displayed.       .       .       . #42. To: Liberator, BobCeleste, Biff Tannen (#5) A Pole made this accusation: “Because you make things up that are not in the Scriptures.” [...] Like magic rosary beads, "holy" water," statues, candles, Marian idoltry, and repeated magic incantations? Wait a minute. Bob Celeste and you claim to follow Luther's doctrine of Sola Scriptura (Bible Only). If a Muslim claiming to be devout drinks alcohol I have right to point to him that he is inconsistent but I still retain moral right to drink and to think that alcohol is good (in moderation of course) Like magic rosary beads, "holy" water," statues, candles, Marian idoltry, and repeated magic incantations? Re "rosary beads" - Good for repetitive prayers. Do you pray for prolonged time? Do you make up you own prayers over half an hour or so? Re "holy" water - created object can be blessed and sanctified as in "Then the Lord said to him, 'Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground." Re "statues" - God ordered holy statues to be put in the Solomon's Temple Re "candles" - candles are an traditional offering, especially that over most of the Christian/Jewish history electric bulbs were hard to come by. Re "Marian idoltry" - She said "For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed" and you want to be excluded from those generations? She is blessed among the woman as is blessed the Fruit of Her womb. The seed of Eve has crushed the head of the serpent, the Child of the New Eve and New Eve Herself full of grace and Allpure. Those who dishonor Mother, dishonor the Son. Re repeated magic incantations. Do you consider Lord's Prayer or Psalms as magic incantations? A Pole  posted on  2015-05-08   4:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: Gatlin (#19) Gatlin, here is the original post, in it you will see that I am not going to answer questions here, only by email, the reason for that is simple, the best questions are th9se asked in private. Biff Tannen made this accusation: “Many things, probably most, of the things you claim about God and Christianity are not in the bible.” A Pole made this accusation: “Because you make things up that are not in the Scriptures.” In both instances I replied to them asking them to show even one example of the accusation, neither has done so, but, because of the accusation, I have opened a thirty day email account with HushMail.com I will answer any question dealing with my theology or any non prophecy question regarding the Bible. The email address is biblequestions@hushmail.com Don’t believe Biff Tannen or A Pole, ask your own questions and judge for yourself. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-08   8:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: Gatlin (#38) I see that you are back on forum. I have not received your reply to my email. That would be because you have not emailed the question to me: the address is: biblequestions@hushmail.com Email a question and I will answer it. But only for today and the next five more days. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-08   8:16:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #45. To: Gatlin (#37) -- I do have a fact. Marriages performed by ministers ordained online are not recognized in some states and jurisdictions. If a legal dispute comes up over a will or another important matter, the marriage would be set aside by a court. So? Our rule of law provides for the settlement of disputes between people, regardless of their religious bonds. -- What's your point? --- our rule of law also provides for the settlement of disputes between people based on a legal contract. Thank you, Capt Obvious. Marriage is a legal contract. So you and big brother govts would have it. The 1st amendment says you should make no laws concerning such religious matters. If there is no legal marriage, then there is no legal contract to establish rights and obligations between spouses, between them and their children, and between them and their in- laws. --- So, our rule of law must then provide for settlement of disputes between people who believe there is a legal contract when there is no legal contract. And that settlement may then be contrary to all prior legal entitlements and agreements set forth in any and all legal documents that were based on a legal marriage contract. Where did you get your law degree? - Mumbo Jumbo University? tpaine  posted on  2015-05-08   8:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: Liberator, BobCeleste, Biff Tanner (#39) Are you REALLY interested in the interpretations of scripture? I am REALLY interested in what Bob has to say about this, not you. And are your ad libs really your own interpretation? The ad libs are not my own interpretation, they are dictionary definitions of the words….really. Or... are you just playing a game of "GOTCHA!"? Play is defined as engaging in activity for enjoyment and recreation rather than a serious or practical purpose. I am not playing, I am engaged in a serious or practical purpose. Pastor Gatlin… A pastor is defined as a minister in charge of a Christian church or congregation. Ergo, I am no pastor since I am not in charge of a Christian church or congregation. And I feel that going on the internet and filling out a form would not make me an ordained minister, as some folks feel it does. In fact, quite a number of folks feel it does. The Universal Life Church alone has pronounced more than 18 million pastors since it was founded. The organization ordains 10,000 people a month as pastors….free online. There are many others organizations such as the Church of Spiritual Humanism, the Rose Ministries….just to name a couple. Even the Temple of Earth which describes itself as a “religion-free religion” and “The World’s First Religion for Atheists” offers instant ordination online for free. Wow….just WOW! Biff Tanner said: “Just because someone says they’re a preacher it doesn’t mean they are.” Other folks will say that in their eyes, just because someone is legally ordained (in some states and jurisdictions) as a minister (pastor or preacher) instantly on the internet doesn’t make them a minister (pastor or preacher). Some will agree with these other folks. As in the past, you've happened to cherry-pick a single verse (suspiciously like all liberals do when they play "GOTCHA!".) “Shit happens” according to Forrest Gump. Nothing just happens with me. Furthermore, I do nothing suspiciously. Except I wonder why you found it unnecessary to bother including the context of verses sandwiching James 1:26 (James, 1:21-1:25) as well as James 1:27? There can be a wonderful feeling when your wonder, curiosity or strong desire to know or learn something is satisfied….especially if is about a question you found interesting or important, or have spent a lot of time and energy trying to answer. But as there can be sickness, misery, loneliness, suffering, devastation and heartache in life….there can also be disappointment. A disappointment in life can be a bitch. YOUR homework … The effects of frustration, exhaustion, lack of time for other activities, and loss of interest are the negative effects of homework. Assigning unnecessary homework with the absence of its value is an increased burden where the evidence of positive effects isn’t just dubious; it’s nonexistent. Homework is defined as a task assigned to students by their teachers to be completed outside the class. You are not my teacher, I am not a student and I never do anything without class. As has been said: “Disappointments in life can be a bitch.” Thanks. You have my most sincere welcome. Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-08   9:25:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: BobCeleste (#43) I sent you an email with a question, but I received no answer. Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-08   9:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #48. To: BobCeleste (#44) biblequestions@hushmail.com I sent an email to that address and received no answer. I tried again with the same negative result. I sent a test message to the email I used and it works fine. Just forget the whole thing... Thanks anyway... Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-08   9:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: tpaine (#45) Thank you, Capt Obvious. It’s Major Gatlin….and you are most welcome. Marriage is a legal contract. That is not what big brother governments and I will have it….that is what the rule of law has it. The 1st amendment says you should make no laws concerning such religious matters. That is true. And it is true that marriage is still a legal contract. Therefore, if there is no legal marriage, then there is no legal contract to establish rights and obligations between spouses, between them and their children, and between them and their in- laws. --- So, our rule of law must then provide for settlement of disputes between people who believe there is a legal contract when there is no legal contract. And that settlement may then be contrary to all prior legal entitlements and agreements set forth in any and all legal documents that were based on a legal marriage contract. Where did you get your law degree? - Mumbo Jumbo University? I have no law degree….”but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express the other night.” Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-08   10:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #50. To: Gatlin (#47) I sent you an email with a question, but I received no answer. What email address did you send it to? For it has not arrived at my hushmail address. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-08   11:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #51. To: Gatlin (#48) biblequestions@hushmail.com I sent an email to that address and received no answer. I tried again with the same negative result. I sent a test message to the email I used and it works fine. Just forget the whole thing... Thanks anyway... If you prefer it that way fine, but, let me say this again, I have received no email from you. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-08   11:15:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #52. To: BobCeleste (#51) I believe that you have not....I don't know what the problem is. I no longer wish to spend time on it. Thanks for your time anyway. Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-08   11:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #53. To: BobCeleste (#50) (Edited) What email address did you send it to? I sent two email to biblequestions@hushmail.com from BobCelcius@sharklasers.com. I have tested the sharklaser email and it works to send and receive. I am sending you a thrid message now from BobCelcius@sharklasers.com that states "Test" It was sent 5 seconds ago. Edit: I am curious if you receive the "Test" email or not. That is all I need to know. Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-08   11:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #54. To: A Pole (#42) I wouldn't spend too much time on anything those two have to say. I've yet to see a post from either of them they didn't read somewhere else. Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-05-08   11:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #55. To: A Pole, liberator (#42) Liberator: Like magic rosary beads, "holy" water," statues, candles, Marian idoltry, and repeated magic incantations? A Pole: Re "rosary beads" - Good for repetitive prayers. Do you pray for prolonged time? Do you make up you own prayers over half an hour or so? Re "holy" water - created object can be blessed and sanctified as in "Then the Lord said to him, 'Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground." Re "statues" - God ordered holy statues to be put in the Solomon's Temple Re "candles" - candles are an traditional offering, especially that over most of the Christian/Jewish history electric bulbs were hard to come by. Re "Marian idoltry" - She said "For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed" and you want to be excluded from those generations? She is blessed among the woman as is blessed the Fruit of Her womb. The seed of Eve has crushed the head of the serpent, the Child of the New Eve and New Eve Herself full of grace and Allpure. Those who dishonor Mother, dishonor the Son. Re repeated magic incantations. Do you consider Lord's Prayer or Psalms as magic incantations? "rosary beads" - Good for repetitive prayers. Do you pray for prolonged time? Do you make up you own prayers over half an hour or so? Were we not instructed by Christ "when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." Jesus gave us the greatest example of prayer in John 17. No repetition there. Is there an example of using rosary beads, long repetitive prayers in Acts? Instructions for such in any of the epistles? Jesus already instructed we are not to be engaging in repetitive prayers for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him." "holy" water - created object can be blessed and sanctified as in "Then the Lord said to him, 'Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground." Not really a good analogy. The ground before Moses was holy because God was standing on the very ground before Moses. Where in Acts or the epistles or even the Gospels do we see the use of 'holy water?' "statues" - God ordered holy statues to be put in the Solomon's Temple Here I thought only fundamentalists had to refer to the OT for their doctrines?:) The purpose of the 'statutes' in the temple was to shield the priests from the presence of YHWH so they would not die. Much like the same Heavenly entities shielding the Throne of God in Heaven. What's different? These statues in Solomon's temple were not venerated, worshipped, 'contemplated' on like some churches do with their religious objects today. However some of these objects did become a snare for the Israelites leading them to idolatry (2 Kings 18:4). "candles" - candles are an traditional offering, especially that over most of the Christian/Jewish history electric bulbs were hard to come by. Well back in the day candles and oil lamps were a necessity to see in the dark. The symbolism is fine when explaining 'the Light of the World' as Jesus did in parables. When we start blessing the objects and the objects themselves are given 'divine qualities'; or become mandatory practice, then issues arise in making such objects idols. Exodus 20: 4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. Those who dishonor Mother, dishonor the Son. Those who honor Blessed Mary the way she was revealed by the Holy Spirit in Holy Scriptures are not in violation of this. Those who promote more than what is revealed by God about mortal humans are in grave danger of idolatry. The way one honors Mary and the other early followers of Christ is to look for them as an example of Christian living, humility and love. Anything more is lifting up another human being. How often do you burn a candle in memory of "“Most blessed of women is Jael, The wife of Heber the Kenite;"? (Judges 5:24) Do you consider Lord's Prayer or Psalms as magic incantations? No I don't and don't think most here do. However, the Lord's Prayer and the Psalms are instructive as to how to pray. Jesus said "After this manner therefore pray ye". Also see John 17. "For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb.” (Psalm 139:13) redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-08   11:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #56. To: Gatlin (#49) Thank you, Capt Obvious. It’s Major Gatlin….and you are most welcome. It's obvious to most here that you're not an officer and gentleman, gatlin... Marriage is a legal contract. ---- That is not what big brother governments and I will have it….that is what the rule of law has it. No, it's a religious ceremony. The 1st amendment says you should make no laws concerning such religious matters. That is true. And it is true that marriage is still a legal contract. Such 'laws' are a violation of the 1st. Therefore, if there is no legal marriage, then there is no legal contract to establish rights and obligations between spouses, between them and their children, and between them and their in- laws. --- So, our rule of law must then provide for settlement of disputes between people who believe there is a legal contract when there is no legal contract. And that settlement may then be contrary to all prior legal entitlements and agreements set forth in any and all legal documents that were based on a legal marriage contract. Where did you get your law degree? - Mumbo Jumbo University? I have no law degree…. Obviously. tpaine  posted on  2015-05-08   13:10:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #57. To: Liberator (#13) He said it. It's out there, and trust me, the irony was not lost on me. Logsplitter  posted on  2015-05-08   13:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #58. To: Gatlin (#52) Use the LP mail to email it and I will answer it. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-08   14:27:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #59. To: Gatlin (#53) I just emailed you at BobCelcius@sharklasers.com let's see what happens. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-08   14:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #60. To: Logsplitter (#57) www.ChristianPatriot.com/search.htm if you can't find it there, I didn't say it, at least not the way you are saying I said it. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-08   14:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #61. To: BobCeleste (#59) I didn't get the email from you. In the meantime, I have exchanged Hotmail and Yahoo Mail back and forth with sharklasers.com as a test....and everything works fine both ways. I guess we will have to chalk this off as an unknown and let it go....no big deal. Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-08   15:26:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #62. To: tpaine (#56) Thank you, Capt Obvious. Gratias, Sergeant “I know nothing” Schultz. (Paraphrasing “I know nothing” from the Socratic paradox "ipse se nihil scire id unum sciat" in Latin). No doubt you'll do the same for someone else. Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-08   15:53:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #63. To: redleghunter, A Pole, Bob Celeste (#55) (Edited) A Pole, I see Red was good enough to refute every single one of your rebuttals quite efficiently and scripturally (thanks, Red.) Did his scriptural citations satisfy you? In you heart, are they truthful? With respect to prayer, the Lord will not relent because you have repeated the same request 50 times rather than only once. God is not hard of hearing. With respect to Mary, she *was* blessed to be chosen as the human mother and vessel of Jesus-the-Man. Yes she is to be honored -- which is not the same as being worshiped or regarded as Jesus' "co-redemptrix." Nor does she "speak" *to* Jesus Christ on our behalf. Candles? The past as Red pointed out was a matter of light, and perhaps symbolism. NOT as a slot machine at church with prayer "payouts" for higher denominations coins. Image my surprise as a child when I was told that my nickel's worth of candle-lighting and prayer would not be taken as seriously by God as the quarter's worth of candles. Statues and images for the purposes of reverence are "graven idols," which clearly violate the Ten Commandments. As an aside, some people (Catholics) who sell their home actually bury small statues of "St. Joseph" (when he's not selling baby aspirin.) They "plant" them in the ground, hoping it brings them "luck." The Rosary *is* a formulaic, repetitive prayer or incantation. No where is there any scripture that instructs the Rosary, nor any mention praying over it currying special favor with the Lord for "completing the circuit." "Holy" water...No, afraid not. It's another marketing tool and un-Biblical rite, and part of the "show" -- as are all the bells and incense. But back to the original issue and your accusation of Bob: “Because you make things up that are not in the Scriptures.” Can you provide example(s) of this? Thanks. Liberator  posted on  2015-05-08   15:59:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #64. To: Gatlin, BobCeleste (#61) I guess we will have to chalk this off as an unknown and let it go....no big deal. Oh, but you've spent so much energy and words on wondering what the meaning of James 1:26 is! (but NOT 1:25-1:33??) We can't let that go! It's too important to satiate your noble hunger for the Word of God, and the context of James (Btw, is 'James' you favorite chapter of the Bible?) More James -- Chapter 3, verses 13-17 (NKJV): "13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. 16 For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy." Liberator  posted on  2015-05-08   16:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #65. To: Logsplitter, Bob Celeste (#57) He said it. It's out there, and trust me, the irony was not lost on me. If Bob "said it" EXACTLY as you claim, the burden is on YOU to find it. Or else you're a liar. "Trust" YOU? Lol -- *that* "irony" is not lost on me. Liberator  posted on  2015-05-08   16:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #66. To: Biff Tannen (#54) I wouldn't spend too much time on anything those two have to say. I've yet to see a post from either of them they didn't read somewhere else. Yet, you must apparently be spending enough time hanging on our every word if as you say, "I've yet to see a post from either of them they didn't read somewhere else." Anyway, thanks for the unintended compliment. Am I that good that I sound as if I'm published somewhere? Liberator  posted on  2015-05-08   16:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #67. To: Liberator (#66) No. Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-05-08   16:15:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #68. To: Gatlin, BobCeleste (#46) I am REALLY interested in what Bob has to say about this, not you. Then you should have PM'd Bob in that case and not made a federal case of your public scriptural question at this forum (which prompts posters to poke at your own motivation and supposed curiosity.) The ad libs are not my own interpretation, they are dictionary definitions of the words….really. And *really* -- there are several meanings to your ad libbed "definitions." But again -- without prior verse and subsequent verses that sandwich James 1:26, the context is...conspicuously missing. NOT that you cared a whit to begin with, Mr. "GOTCHA!" GATLIN: "I do nothing suspiciously." Yeah, I *had* to BOLD this claim of yours. You just think posters have amnesia. You're funny. You are not my teacher, I am not a student and I never do anything without class. As has been said: “Disappointments in life can be a bitch.” How does it feel to get "GOTCHA'd?" Btw, you hardly "disappointed" me; You acted exactly as I expected. Have a fascinating look as James 3:13-17. Liberator  posted on  2015-05-08   16:28:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #69. To: Fred Mertz (#67) (Edited) The ghost William F. Buckley Jr. weighs in....at exactly 21 oz. Liberator  posted on  2015-05-08   16:29:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #70. To: Liberator (#64) (Edited) :) Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-08   16:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #71. To: Gatlin (#70) Just answer the questions, F. Lee. (or are you struggling again?) Liberator  posted on  2015-05-08   16:33:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #72. To: Gatlin (#70) Glad to help. :-) Liberator  posted on  2015-05-08   16:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #73. To: Liberator (#71) No. Gatlin  posted on  2015-05-08   16:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #74. To: Gatlin (#61) Let's use LibertysFlames private email service. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-08   16:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #75. To: Liberator (#63) A Pole, I see Red was good enough to refute every single one of your rebuttals quite efficiently and scripturally (thanks, Red.) Did his scriptural citations satisfy you? In you heart, are they truthful? He did a good work in presenting a standard reformed evangelical position, I appreciate it. Yes they are truthful in a sense that they are sincere and honest. I do not mean that I accept it. But to address these differences we would have to depart from the specific Protestant presuppositions. (Situation is different when a difference is not derived from such presuppositions.) A Pole  posted on  2015-05-09   1:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #76. To: All (#0) The hushmail account is closed. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-05-14   9:05:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #77. To: A Pole, liberator (#75) But to address these differences we would have to depart from the specific Protestant presuppositions. (Situation is different when a difference is not derived from such presuppositions.) Theological approach does have much to do with the subjects we discuss. However, I did not use Luther, Calvin et. al. as my approach. My approach was to present the evidence from the perspective of the NT church. "For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb.” (Psalm 139:13) redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-14   9:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #78. To: redleghunter (#77) My approach was to present the evidence from the perspective of the NT church. Perspective of NT Church is preserved in the Orthodox Church. A Pole  posted on  2015-05-14   19:33:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #79. To: A Pole (#78) Perspective of NT Church is preserved in the Orthodox Church. My observations have been many of the traditions of the Orthodox church have origins in the NT scriptures; however, based on my previous comments there are some which have no basis at all. "For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb.” (Psalm 139:13) redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-14   22:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #80. To: redleghunter (#79) My observations have been many of the traditions of the Orthodox church have origins in the NT scriptures; however, based on my previous comments there are some which have no basis at all. You got it wrong way. It is New Testament scriptures that have origins in the early Orthodox Church. Some things were written down by the church leaders and canonized by the church councils later, some were preserved in other forms. Remember - Church existed years before NT was written, and much earlier before NT became available to the larger public. Same with the Jews - first were the Patriarchs, Prophets, Kings etc, then were the books describing what they did and said. A Pole  posted on  2015-05-15   2:38:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #81. To: A Pole (#80) Remember - Church existed years before NT was written, and much earlier before NT became available to the larger public. Nonsense! The New Testament was written between 40 and likely complete by 70, according to A t Robinson, and the church was still in diapers at that time. Furthermore, the bible was given to mankind at the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Your church is trying to take credit for what was in main a gift from God. That's stealing Glory from Him. And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6 GarySpFC  posted on  2015-05-15   4:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (82 - 103) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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