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Title: Alan Dershowitz Rips Charges Against Baltimore Cops: 'Sad Day for Justice'
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URL Source: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/alan-der ... more-cops-sad-day-for-justice/
Published: May 1, 2015
Author: Mediate
Post Date: 2015-05-01 20:15:17 by Vinny
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Dershowitz lamented that “this is a very sad day for justice” and told Steve Malzberg that Mosby acted out of a “desire to prevent riots.” It will be “virtually impossible,” he predicted, for the six officers involved to get a fair trial. And as for murder charges, Dershowitz said there’s “no plausible, hypothetical, conceivable case for murder” and “this is a show trial.” He predicted that Mosby might get removed as prosecutor and Baltimore citizens may get upset if and/or when they “move to a place with a different demographic.” He concluded that it’s “unlikely they’ll get any convictions in this case” and if they do they’ll likely “be reversed on appeal.” Watch the video below, via Newsmax TV: [image via screengrab] – – 
Alan Dershowitz really went after Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby today for charging the six cops involved in the death of Freddie Gray, saying it was entirely based on politics and “crowd control.”
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#25. To: GrandIsland (#23)
It looks like this is the case....thus far. Some "lawyers" say it should be "civil" and not "criminal"....what's your opinion?
How do u let him go after he resisted? That's a separate crime.
Bang, bang, you're dead. So much drama. You are almost as bad as Deckard. Officers had plenty of time (and should look at the facts of their investigation)... after he's apprehended on PC... but after they realize their suspicions aren't supported by squat... Let him go. Why make a mistake worse by making it bigger... unless you hurt him putting him in custody and you are worried about a LIABILTY lawsuit without an arrestable offense. lol I let many go from being detained on probable cause after I found out my PC was something else or unsubstantiated by anything to corroborate my PC. The last thing I ever wanted was to lose a case and look like a dipshit on the stand. It's not what I know... it's what I can prove.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I feel that it's all civil besides the lack of medical attention. That could be criminal... Official Misconduct or fail to act. The rest IMHO is civil... and they should all be fired. They do shoddy work.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Resisted what? lol He has a right to run from the cops absent any arrestable offense. The knife was legal and there was no provable drug deal.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Do you understand he resisted the officers after what you agree was probable cause to stop & question? Again, that is a crime. You get this stuff, right?
They are reporting they saw a drug sale, but I've already told you this.
Well, as usual, most of the early reporting on a high profile police case turns out to be totally false. This looks worse and worse for the cops. No probable cause, no switchblade, dead suspect with an near-severed spinal cord (not easy to do). And now it seems the paddy wagon made an extra stop before it got to the police station but everyone involved forgot until now about the extra stop by the wagon.
He had been arrested 22 times, according to one report. It looks to me like the six cops thought “here he is again”….got complacent and started thinking “let’s just get this over with.” Rule #1: Always follow the law and departmental procedures. I have been hoping for some “out” for the officers, but the more I look into this and the more I learn….I see none.
Enter Dershowitz whose expertise far exceeds that of anyone on this board.
You might find this hard to believe... but all the times I witnessed someone run on foot away from me just because we looked at each other, I NEVER GAVE CHASE. Why? Let the douche run in front of a moving car for all I care... I ain't sweating my ass off for something i have no clue how big it is. Could be a joint... a kilo of cocaine or NOTHING AT ALL... like I care. Not giving chase JUST for eye to eye contact was part of my basic academy training... I stuck by it.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
They are reporting they saw a drug transaction, so your post isn't relevant unless you ignored such things.
My Post #33....same conclusion.
They were screwed when he died of injuries not that they caused but while in their custody. Once cuffed, the turd bag is all YOUR responsibility... plain and simple. Liability, it's a bitch.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You have no idea when the injuries happened. It will be argued they occurred during the arrest.
They also saw a switchblade. lol
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Which does what to your claim he was injured in police custody? lol
By the sounds of Mosby's "independent witch hunt" the injury happened inside the transport vehicle BETWEEN STOPS and without an officer present. I have inside Intel that stated it was self inflicted inside the van and while not being secured. A prisoner original testified it was self inflicted... and then realized he would be famous if he changed his testimony or statement. If Mosby had any proof Gray was hurt during the arrest, she would have stated that today. Their case is gonna be a "rough ride" caused Gray to be thrown around the inside of the paddy wagon.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Restate your question.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You're giving this affirmative action, 36-y/o, probably never tried a murder case before attorney way too much credit. She's a radical hater who is driven by the Obama/Holder/Sharpton agenda, not fact. I have complete confidence in Dershowitz. This case is a rush to judgement. Good night.
I agree... but what I've seen, the 6 officers didn't do a perfect job. Expect some wrongdoing after a trial by peer.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
It's reported now, on Fox News, by an officer that's identity is being withheld, is reporting a hand to hand transaction, both subjects fled, both subjects were caught and no money or drugs recovered... SO NOTHING WAS REPORTED OR PUT IN THE REPORTS BY OFFICERS... so no drug arrests were gonna be filed. He was arrested for a bogus knife charge. Sounds fishy
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Enter Dershowitz whose expertise far exceeds that of anyone on this board. Alan Dershowitz is widely considered an outstanding professor of law, but he is not always right. Take a look at the Zimmerman case where he claimed that Special Prosecutor Angela Corey ought to be criminally prosecuted for her action in the prosecution of Zimmerman. If he was wrong about Angela Corey then, why should he be right about Marilyn Mosby now? Methinks you may place too much faith in the opinion of Dershowitz.
He wasn't wrong about Corey. He thought she overcharged, which she did. Zimmerman would likely have been found guilty of a lesser charge.
www.mediaite.com/tv/frien...was-great-witness-for-us/ Freddie was a snitch.
I think the same is true in this case. It isn't just Dershowitz saying Mosby overcharged in this case. It's almost like the prosecutors are overcharging, knowing they'll get an acquittal but they can pander to the mobs for the duration. If you heard her statement to the public, it was far more a political speech than anything else. And her husband is a Baltimore city councilman who was active in the demonstrations. Some commentators are already saying that a special prosecutor should be appointed because Mosby has been so unprofessional in her rollout of this case.
Freddie was a snitch. I'd take issue with him being a witness. A witness testifies in court for the prosecution. I haven't read a single account of him testifying for the prosecution in any case. As for being a confidential informer, perhaps he was. But if so, there is an official record of when and how he worked as a confidential informant, whether he snitched for money or to reduce charges against himself for his own crimes. So there is a lot more to this snitch/witness bit that we don't know yet.
How biased does a black female DA have to be to get Dershowitz riled at at the injustice? BTW,I was watchign "The Toady Show" on NBC this morning,and the black female DA is related to the Gray family lawyer (though blood or other connections,it wasn't made clear which),and that her husband in the councilman that represents the district where the Gray family lives.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It doesn't matter because she is shooting for,and will get,an appointment to be a feral prosecutor for the alleged Justice Dept. She will probably work there a few years until they figure out a way to dump her once the Tan Klan isn't in charge anymore,and then she will run for public office as a "crew-sade-IN sista gainst racism" congresscritter or mayor and then there won't be any getting rid of her. She's just playing the black racist game for political advantage.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I agree. But they had reasonable suspicion to detain and question -- which is all that's needed. You need probable cause to arrest.
If he ran from them and they had to run him down and take him to the ground to arrest him,they had every right,and even an obligation,to search him for weapons or other contraband. If he ran,there is no way in hell they did not have justification for a search.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
IF I understand correctly what the homegurl DA was saying on teebee this morning,she was saying the knife wasn't illegal because the cops didn't have probable cause to search this goober. She was asked a couple of times about "the switchblade",and was careful to never say OR deny it was a switchblade. She would only say that nothing found was evidence due to a lack of probable cause. Frankly,I'd like to have seen HER give blood for a drug test right after that interview because she seemed to be pretty zoned out herself. If you watch it on youtube or somewhere else,notice her eyes and lack of facial expression.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
But he was a gud boi,juz now get-IN hiz life tagathah,and deaddic-tat-IN it to Jesus!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I'm guessing he was talking about the possibility of the 6 cops being convicted.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
They do,but the black female DA is claiming it's not usable as evidence because the cops had no probable cause to search him. She sounds a HELL of a lot more like a defense attorney than any DA *I* have ever heard of. I'm sure her connections to the Gray family lawyer or the fact that her husband will be running for re-election in the Gray family district has anything to do with that,though. Just a coinkydink.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
With the evidence so far, I agree. That would justify a charge of involuntary manslaughter being brought against the driver. But murder? Now, why were the other 5 charged? With murder, no less?
That's what the early reporting was. I was mistaken though since this prosecutor is now saying it was not a switchblade at all. Of course, this prosecutor is more than a little suspect as a political hack so who knows if she's just making stuff up at this point.
No,she stated it wasn't illegal due to no probable cause for a search. How many suspects did YOU run down and then fail to search for weapons,drugs,or other contraband? But don't worry about her. She will be just fine. In fact,this is the kickoff for her future career as an elected official.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Running away from police is not probable cause to arrest or to search.
That was what she implied on "The Toady Show" this morning,but not exactly what she said. The knife was "legal" if there was no probable cause for the search. That's the horse she is riding.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I agree. There was and is no excuse for that,and anyone involved in the decision-making process that neglected to get him the care he needed should be hammered over it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI don't think they are guilty of murder, manslaughter or even assault... but I do feel the arrest was bad, they failed to get him medical attention in a reasonable time... and they violated policy by not seat belting his ass into that paddy wagon.
#26. To: GrandIsland (#21)
"I saw a drug sale" is enough for the stop and frisk. Once they have nothing to substantiate WHAT I THINK I SAW... let him GO.
#27. To: Vinny (#24)
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So before making an arrest you pause and ponder the odds of a positive jury verdict?
#28. To: Gatlin (#25)
#29. To: Vinny (#26)
How do u let him go after he resisted? That's a separate crime.
#30. To: GrandIsland (#27)
#31. To: GrandIsland (#29)
He has a right to run from the cops absent any arrestable offense.
#32. To: GrandIsland (#18)
Negative. Listen to the States Attorney from 10:30 this morning. She made it clear that the knife was legal and the arrest was unsubstantiated.
#33. To: GrandIsland (#28)
Rule #2: Always follow Rule #1.
#34. To: Gatlin (#33)
I have been hoping for some “out” for the officers, but the more I look into this and the more I learn….I see none.
#35. To: Vinny (#24)
#36. To: GrandIsland (#35)
#37. To: TooConservative, GrandIsland (#32)
This looks worse and worse for the cops.
#38. To: TooConservative (#32)
And now it seems the paddy wagon made an extra stop before it got to the police station but everyone involved forgot until now about the extra stop by the wagon.
#39. To: GrandIsland (#38)
They were screwed when he died of injuries not that they caused but while in their custody.
#40. To: Vinny (#36)
They are reporting they saw a drug transaction, so your post isn't relevant unless you ignored such things.
#41. To: GrandIsland (#40)
They also saw a switchblade. lol
#42. To: Vinny (#39)
#43. To: Vinny (#41)
Which does what to your claim he was injured in police custody?
#44. To: GrandIsland (#42)
If Mosby had any proof Gray was hurt during the arrest, she would have stated that today
#45. To: Vinny (#44)
This case is a rush to judgement.
#46. To: Vinny (#36)
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#47. To: Vinny (#34)
(Edited)
I have been hoping for some “out” for the officers, but the more I look into this and the more I learn….I see none.
#48. To: Gatlin (#47)
If he was wrong about Angela Corey then, why should he be right about Marilyn Mosby now?
#49. To: GrandIsland (#46)
It's reported now, on Fox News, by an officer that's identity is being withheld, is reporting a hand to hand transaction, both subjects fled, both subjects were caught and no money or drugs recovered.
#50. To: Vinny (#48)
He wasn't wrong about Corey. He thought she overcharged, which she did. Zimmerman would likely have been found guilty of a lesser charge.
#51. To: Vinny (#49)
www.mediaite.com/tv/frien...was-great-witness-for-us/
#52. To: Vinny, *Crime and Corruption* (#0)
And as for murder charges, Dershowitz said there’s “no plausible, hypothetical, conceivable case for murder” and “this is a show trial.”
#53. To: GrandIsland (#2)
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All six are fuked... and so will Mosby's career after the DA doesn't hit the home run that racist set up today.
#54. To: Vinny (#4)
(Edited)
"A predicate felon, known to the department, loitering in an area known for drug sales flees from cops when approached = probable cause to stop & question. He fled & resisted = a good arrest."
#55. To: Vinny (#4)
A predicate felon, known to the department, loitering in an area known for drug sales flees from cops when approached = probable cause to stop & question. He fled & resisted = a good arrest.
#56. To: GrandIsland (#7)
I get that. But, they gave chase and in the end... found nothing but a legal pocket knife. To keep him in custody, what's the "good arrest" based on?
#57. To: out damned spot (#12)
#58. To: Vinny (#13)
And why toss conviction into this? We're discussing an arrest and transport.
#59. To: TooConservative (#14)
Supposedly, they do have the switchblade as evidence.
#60. To: GrandIsland (#42)
"Their case is gonna be a "rough ride" caused Gray to be thrown around the inside of the paddy wagon."
#61. To: sneakypete (#59)
They do,but the black female DA is claiming it's not usable as evidence because the cops had no probable cause to search him.
#62. To: GrandIsland (#16)
She stated very clearly that the knife he had was legal.
#63. To: sneakypete (#55)
If he ran,there is no way in hell they did not have justification for a search.
#64. To: Gatlin (#17)
"The knife was not a switchblade, and it is lawful," Mosby said Friday
#65. To: GrandIsland (#23)
they failed to get him medical attention in a reasonable time... and they violated policy by not seat belting his ass into that paddy wagon.
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