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Title: Back PRIORS AND PRECEDENT Same-Sex Marriage Gets Its Big Day At The Supreme Court
Source: FiveThirtyEight
URL Source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ ... -big-day-at-the-supreme-court/
Published: Apr 28, 2015
Author: Oliver Roeder
Post Date: 2015-04-29 12:33:58 by Jameson
Keywords: SCOTUS, Marraige, 538
Views: 23125
Comments: 119

The question of whether there is a constitutional right to same-sex marriage will finally have its day in court this week. On Tuesday, the Supreme Court will hear two and a half hours of oral argument in a quartet of cases on this subject. If the court reverses lower court rulings that upheld bans on same-sex marriage, it could mean that every state would have to honor such marriages performed in other states, and could require every state to permit them. A decision is expected this summer, most likely in late June. In this edition of Priors and Precedent, we’ll dig into some data and two sources of predictions for this landmark case. First, some background.

The Case

The petitioners are 12 couples and two widowers from states that bar same-sex marriage. A recent profile by NPR dubbed them “‘accidental activists,’ meaning they filed lawsuits not to further a cause but because of the way the bans affected their lives.”

The challenge to the bans, known as Obergefell v. Hodges, is actually four cases rolled into one.1 The court consolidated them and limited its consideration to these two questions:

Does the 14th Amendment require a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex? Does the 14th Amendment require a state to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-state?

The first is called the “marriage” question, the second the “recognition” question. The court will hear 90 minutes of argument on the former and an hour of argument on the latter. Civics refresher: The 14th Amendment guarantees certain rights under its “due process” and “equal protection” clauses.

If the answer to the first question is “yes,” then the answer to the second is irrelevant, of course.

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#2. To: Jameson (#0)

"Does the 14th Amendment require a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex?"

Why two people? Why not three?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-29   12:43:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite (#2)

Why two people? Why not three?

That is not the question being decided, is it?

Jameson  posted on  2015-04-29   12:49:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jameson (#3)

"That is not the question being decided, is it?"

Should be. It's just a matter of time before it comes up.

If marriage is not just one man - one woman, then why limit the number to two?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-29   12:54:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: misterwhite, Jameson, redleghunter, Liberator (#4) (Edited)

Why not one man and one cow or one woman (a car creeper) and one shetland pony??

That is where this is all heading no matter how much the homos and APA protest or deny it, all they know is how to lie.

Oh BTW why is it that less than 1% of homos are getting married to start with? (So that means all this hubub over fag marriage is for 100,000 people or so who want to feel good about themselves even though they shouldn't). There are already 36 states who are being forced to accept this bullschitt so why aren't they running en masse to those states to get hitched? (HINT, HINT Homosexuality isn't about love)...

CZ82  posted on  2015-04-30   19:04:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: CZ82 (#38)

Why not one man and one cow or one woman (a car creeper) and one shetland pony??

Be careful. Seeing some of the responses here you might get an answer like "it depends on what the Shetland pony looks like."

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-01   1:44:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: redleghunter, CZ82 (#57)

Be careful. Seeing some of the responses here you might get an answer like "it depends on what the Shetland pony looks like."

Remember, there was a crazy New York Supreme Court judge who found that two chimps have personhood and granted a writ of habeas corpus. I'm fairly certain she will be overturned, and for clarity note that in New York, the "Supreme" court is the lower Trial court, and the ultimate court is the New York Court of Appeals.

If that were actually law, it would seem chimps would arguably have a right to marry another person.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-05-01   1:53:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: nolu chan, CZ82, liberator (#59)

Remember, there was a crazy New York Supreme Court judge who found that two chimps have personhood and granted a writ of habeas corpus. I'm fairly certain she will be overturned, and for clarity note that in New York, the "Supreme" court is the lower Trial court, and the ultimate court is the New York Court of Appeals.

I would like to know what law school that clown went to. Probably the school of fun arts:

Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Clown College

Knew this weird Signal officer in the Army who did weekend gigs as a clown. He would drive his 'clown' car to work with his advertisement panel and all. Thought ok, he wants to make a few more bucks.

Well he took command of a training battery a few months later, I was invited. I looked at his bio in the program and he had listed a BA in Fun Arts from the college listed above. Amazing.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-01   11:17:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: redleghunter (#70)

Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Clown College

Knew this weird Signal officer in the Army who did weekend gigs as a clown. He would drive his 'clown' car to work with his advertisement panel and all. Thought ok, he wants to make a few more bucks.

Well he took command of a training battery a few months later, I was invited. I looked at his bio in the program and he had listed a BA in Fun Arts from the college listed above. Amazing.

ROFL...

(A BA in "Fun Arts" no less...from Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Clown College

Now THAT is sad.

:-)

Liberator  posted on  2015-05-01   12:15:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Liberator (#71)

Now THAT is sad.

What's sad is that some of his drill sergeant NCOs cut some corners in a basic trainee live fire exercise and two Soldiers died. He was not on site when it happened and was relieved of command and discharged from the Army.

It wasn't difficult training and the NCOs just got complacent because they do it 'all the time.' They cut corners on a check list and the CPT is responsible for checking their live fire prep did not catch the screw up.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-01   12:43:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: redleghunter (#75)

What's sad is that some of his drill sergeant NCOs cut some corners in a basic trainee live fire exercise and two Soldiers died. He was not on site when it happened and was relieved of command and discharged from the Army.

The Clown (a Capt??) was relieved of duty? Or his DIs? Unreal.

A few less drills on learning how to be a professional clown, and more concerted effort in learning how to be a professional who *saves* lives (wait -- damage done %$#@!)

Professional clowns are scary for good reason. This jackwagon desperately needs a psych eval in any case. His sloppiness and blase attitude was adopted by osmosis by his DIs.

It wasn't difficult training and the NCOs just got complacent because they do it 'all the time.' They cut corners on a check list and the CPT is responsible for checking their live fire prep did not catch the screw up.

Inexcusable sloppiness with devastating results.

Liberator  posted on  2015-05-01   12:59:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Liberator (#78)

The Clown (a Capt??) was relieved of duty? Or his DIs? Unreal.

Yes the CPT relieved and discharged. NCOs too.

When you wear a green tab (meaning in a command position) you are responsible for the good, the bad and the ugly.

The usual investigation goes like this:

Investigating officer: Drill Sergeant did you use the checklist approved by the Commander for live fire exercises?

Drill Sergeant: Yes I did.

Investigator: what about step 23 checking for an exact 3.5 ft clearance of trainees from the line of fire?

Drill Sergeant: It was the usual measurement for every live fire exercise I conducted since coming here 3 years ago.

Investigator: I didn't ask you that...did you for this specific live fire measure out the distance IAW the live fire SOP?

Drill Sergeant: I didn't need to, nothing changed from last time, it was all the same.

Investigator: So your answer is 'no' you did not measure it on this specific occasion

Drill Sergeant (red faced by now): No...not this time, but nothing changed.

Investigator: The SOP states the purpose of measuring the distance every live fire occurence. Do you know the purpose of this?

Drill Sergeant: The platform can shift due to environmental conditions like a large rain fall or high winds.

Investigator: Did either occur prior to this specific live fire event?

Drill Sergeant: I would like to end this interview and speak with a lawyer.

Then the CPT comes in:

Investigator: CPT did you conduct pre combat inspections (PCIs) before this specific live fire event?

CPT: I review all the range plans and certify my NCOs to conduct the live fire range.

Investigator: I'll ask again...on this SPECIFIC occasion did you review the range and conduct PCIs IAW the SOP?

CPT: No, not on this specific occasion but I did certify the range plan for this specific event.

Investigator: What did that entail?

CPT: I went over the check list already filled out by my drill sergeants and signed it. It was a standard range.

Investigator: thank you for your time.

Hours later the CPT gets a call from his Battalion commander to report to his office.

BN cdr: Sorry CPT but you are relieved of command and will report to the Brigade XO tomorrow for a temporary duty assignment pending the results of this investigation.

Enter in about another 30-60 minutes of 'why' he was relieved, 'what's next' and some professional and fatherly advice. Because in the end, two of the CPTs Soldiers were killed.

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