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Title: Back PRIORS AND PRECEDENT Same-Sex Marriage Gets Its Big Day At The Supreme Court
Source: FiveThirtyEight
URL Source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ ... -big-day-at-the-supreme-court/
Published: Apr 28, 2015
Author: Oliver Roeder
Post Date: 2015-04-29 12:33:58 by Jameson
Keywords: SCOTUS, Marraige, 538
Views: 23066
Comments: 119

The question of whether there is a constitutional right to same-sex marriage will finally have its day in court this week. On Tuesday, the Supreme Court will hear two and a half hours of oral argument in a quartet of cases on this subject. If the court reverses lower court rulings that upheld bans on same-sex marriage, it could mean that every state would have to honor such marriages performed in other states, and could require every state to permit them. A decision is expected this summer, most likely in late June. In this edition of Priors and Precedent, we’ll dig into some data and two sources of predictions for this landmark case. First, some background.

The Case

The petitioners are 12 couples and two widowers from states that bar same-sex marriage. A recent profile by NPR dubbed them “‘accidental activists,’ meaning they filed lawsuits not to further a cause but because of the way the bans affected their lives.”

The challenge to the bans, known as Obergefell v. Hodges, is actually four cases rolled into one.1 The court consolidated them and limited its consideration to these two questions:

Does the 14th Amendment require a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex? Does the 14th Amendment require a state to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-state?

The first is called the “marriage” question, the second the “recognition” question. The court will hear 90 minutes of argument on the former and an hour of argument on the latter. Civics refresher: The 14th Amendment guarantees certain rights under its “due process” and “equal protection” clauses.

If the answer to the first question is “yes,” then the answer to the second is irrelevant, of course.

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#11. To: Jameson (#0)

Does anyone really care about gay/lesbian marriages? I don't care at all. What I don't understand is why the USSC is involved with a "state's right" matter of marriage as though the US Constitution has some quality to express.

The USSC is a liberal court is all. They have expanded powers independent of their explicit branch of government in the US Constitution.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-04-29   21:42:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo (#11)

Does anyone really care about gay/lesbian marriages?

Yeah, I think a lot of people do, and a majority of people believe that marriage equality is OK.

In reality, other people's marital status has no impact on the lives of anyone.

IMO

Jameson  posted on  2015-04-30   8:03:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jameson, liberator, BobCeleste, GarySpFc, A K A Stone, CZ82, nolu chan (#16)

In reality, other people's marital status has no impact on the lives of anyone.

IMO

Tell that to people who have already been sued for not catering a gay wedding; did not rent out their reception hall to a gay couple for a wedding. Tell that to a future pastor who will refuse to marry a gay couple.

Scalia hit a valid point. Right now pastors, priests and rabbis can refuse. Once this becomes constitutionally mandated the question arises if those who refuse can be issued a license to marry as a state/federal agent of marriage.

So in effect Brian O'Malley and Theresa Rizzo have their nuptuals in a Catholic church by a priest. The priest no longer can sign their marriage certificate given he refused to comply with federal and state laws marrying same sex couples. Now the Catholic couple will have to see a justice of the peace to 'officially' be married. What was down, will be up and what was up will be down. Isaiah 5:20 baby.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-30   10:43:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: redleghunter (#26)

Tell that to people who have.....

Yeah.....there's always someone who is being inconvenienced. My point was more general.....

There are millions of people going about their business everyday who live near, or work near a gay couple who have now been "permitted" to be legally married.

Their lives haven't been affected - that is why a majority of the population is OK with marriage equality.

Jameson  posted on  2015-04-30   11:14:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jameson, liberator (#29)

Their lives haven't been affected - that is why a majority of the population is OK with marriage equality.

Lives have not been affected....yet? They have been. People are being sued right now and have judgments against them NOW, for exercising their First Amendment rights. Do you think a ruling in favor of gay 'marriage' is the end of the matter? No way. This is just the beginning. The gay lobby is looking three or four steps ahead. So are the polygamy lobby and the pederast and pedophile lobby. They now know all they have to do is change one state and then they can go to SCOTUS and use the 14th Amendment as did the homosexuals.

The only reason gay 'marriage' is on the SCOTUS docket is because Christians don't burn and loot entire cities when the political masters and kings and queens in court try to change our society to the philosophy and practice of the souless minions of liberal marxism.

And some of us who see the hell hole our nation is in and continues to dig deeper in, won't be silent.

Isaiah 5:20 baby.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-30   11:31:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#35. To: redleghunter (#31)

Great rebuttal to Jameson's, "Lives haven't been affected - that is why a majority of the population is OK with marriage equality."

Your money quote: "The only reason gay 'marriage' is on the SCOTUS docket is because Christians don't burn and loot entire cities when the political masters and kings and queens in court try to change our society to the philosophy and practice of the souless minions of liberal marxism."

NAILED. (ONLY a righteous anger tempered by the Lord withholds an unleashed wrath from Believers.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-30 17:41:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: redleghunter (#31)

Christians don't burn and loot entire cities when the political masters and kings and queens in court try to change our society to the philosophy and practice of the souless minions of liberal marxism.

And the reason why martial law hasn't been instituted yet, once they say enough is enough the Leftards will be tripping all over themselves to proclaim it.

CZ82  posted on  2015-04-30 19:16:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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