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Title: Back PRIORS AND PRECEDENT Same-Sex Marriage Gets Its Big Day At The Supreme Court
Source: FiveThirtyEight
URL Source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ ... -big-day-at-the-supreme-court/
Published: Apr 28, 2015
Author: Oliver Roeder
Post Date: 2015-04-29 12:33:58 by Jameson
Keywords: SCOTUS, Marraige, 538
Views: 28808
Comments: 119

The question of whether there is a constitutional right to same-sex marriage will finally have its day in court this week. On Tuesday, the Supreme Court will hear two and a half hours of oral argument in a quartet of cases on this subject. If the court reverses lower court rulings that upheld bans on same-sex marriage, it could mean that every state would have to honor such marriages performed in other states, and could require every state to permit them. A decision is expected this summer, most likely in late June. In this edition of Priors and Precedent, we’ll dig into some data and two sources of predictions for this landmark case. First, some background.

The Case

The petitioners are 12 couples and two widowers from states that bar same-sex marriage. A recent profile by NPR dubbed them “‘accidental activists,’ meaning they filed lawsuits not to further a cause but because of the way the bans affected their lives.”

The challenge to the bans, known as Obergefell v. Hodges, is actually four cases rolled into one.1 The court consolidated them and limited its consideration to these two questions:

Does the 14th Amendment require a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex? Does the 14th Amendment require a state to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-state?

The first is called the “marriage” question, the second the “recognition” question. The court will hear 90 minutes of argument on the former and an hour of argument on the latter. Civics refresher: The 14th Amendment guarantees certain rights under its “due process” and “equal protection” clauses.

If the answer to the first question is “yes,” then the answer to the second is irrelevant, of course.

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#11. To: Jameson (#0)

Does anyone really care about gay/lesbian marriages? I don't care at all. What I don't understand is why the USSC is involved with a "state's right" matter of marriage as though the US Constitution has some quality to express.

The USSC is a liberal court is all. They have expanded powers independent of their explicit branch of government in the US Constitution.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-04-29   21:42:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo (#11)

What I don't understand is why the USSC is involved with a "state's right" matter of marriage as though the US Constitution has some quality to express.

The USSC is involved to resolve a dispute over the 14th Amendment, "No state shall … deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

The state permits marriage between two people of the opposite sex (with some other qualifications). Does a state law which denies marriage to two people of the same sex violate the equal protection clause? That is the question before the court.

Two questions were certified for oral agruments. In the first session, Bonauto for the Petitioners stated question 1:

Ms. Bonauto.

ORAL ARGUMENT OF MARY L. BONAUTO

ON BEHALF OF PETITIONERS ON QUESTION 1

MS. BONAUTO: Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court:

The intimate and committed relationships of same-sex couples, just like those of heterosexual couples, provide mutual support and are the foundation of family life in our society. If a legal commitment, responsibility and protection that is marriage is off limits to gay people as a class, the stain of unworthiness that follows on individuals and families contravenes the basic constitutional commitment to equal dignity.

Could the argument of Petitioner hold if it were cast as, "The intimate and committed relationships of polygamous groups, just like those of heterosexual couples, provide mutual support and are the foundation of family life in our society?"

At the second oral argument session, the another question was:

The Question 2 Petitioners are already married. They have established those enduring relationships, and they have a liberty interest that is of fundamental importance to these couples and their children.

A State should not be allowed to effectively dissolve that marriage without a sufficiently important justification to do so.

As state issues, these questions still present a problem of what happens when two same-sex people married in one state travel to another state that does not permit same-sex marriage. Article 4, section 1 provides "Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state."

nolu chan  posted on  2015-04-29   23:21:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: nolu chan, BobCeleste, GarySpFc, liberator, CZ82 (#12)

"The intimate and committed relationships of same-sex couples, just like those of heterosexual couples, provide mutual support and are the foundation of family life in our society."

I've noticed from Scriptures Satan always starts and ends with lies. Mixed in the bag are some terms which seem true but based on the original lie. Big fat lie above.

Note, I know you were quoting and not your words.

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