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Title: Back PRIORS AND PRECEDENT Same-Sex Marriage Gets Its Big Day At The Supreme Court
Source: FiveThirtyEight
URL Source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ ... -big-day-at-the-supreme-court/
Published: Apr 28, 2015
Author: Oliver Roeder
Post Date: 2015-04-29 12:33:58 by Jameson
Keywords: SCOTUS, Marraige, 538
Views: 23100
Comments: 119

The question of whether there is a constitutional right to same-sex marriage will finally have its day in court this week. On Tuesday, the Supreme Court will hear two and a half hours of oral argument in a quartet of cases on this subject. If the court reverses lower court rulings that upheld bans on same-sex marriage, it could mean that every state would have to honor such marriages performed in other states, and could require every state to permit them. A decision is expected this summer, most likely in late June. In this edition of Priors and Precedent, we’ll dig into some data and two sources of predictions for this landmark case. First, some background.

The Case

The petitioners are 12 couples and two widowers from states that bar same-sex marriage. A recent profile by NPR dubbed them “‘accidental activists,’ meaning they filed lawsuits not to further a cause but because of the way the bans affected their lives.”

The challenge to the bans, known as Obergefell v. Hodges, is actually four cases rolled into one.1 The court consolidated them and limited its consideration to these two questions:

Does the 14th Amendment require a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex? Does the 14th Amendment require a state to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-state?

The first is called the “marriage” question, the second the “recognition” question. The court will hear 90 minutes of argument on the former and an hour of argument on the latter. Civics refresher: The 14th Amendment guarantees certain rights under its “due process” and “equal protection” clauses.

If the answer to the first question is “yes,” then the answer to the second is irrelevant, of course.

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#79. To: All (#0)

If all the justices vote the way they are most likely to, the algorithm foresees a 7-2 reversal on both questions. The crowd foresees 5-4 and 6-3 reversals on the marriage and recognition questions, respectively. Either set of outcomes would be a triumph for same-sex marriage proponents.

So we've all weighed in with our respective opinions on the two questions before the court............

If the analysis by FiveThirtyEight is correct, and the SCOTUS overturns the lower courts..........

What will you do?

Jameson  posted on  2015-05-01   13:22:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Jameson, tpaine, nolu chan, redleghunter, A K A Stone, ALL (#79) (Edited)

If the analysis by FiveThirtyEight is correct, and the SCOTUS overturns the lower courts..........

What will you do?

We'll note how the majority consent and authority of the citizenry is again being usurped by a few subversive judges, emboldened and coerced by social media -- then the rest of us will watch the predictable insanity unfold:

In certain parts of the country the rule WILL be social chaos, judicial fascism, public school fast-tracked coercion of the homofascist agenda, and the harassment of churches and clergy. Unimpeded "Hate Crime" and "Hate Speech" crusaders -- shielded by taxpayer funded armed LE "bodyguards" -- will be out in force on social media, in front of Christian businesses, and squatting during Sunday churches services. BLOWBACK will ensue.

Bottom Line:

The terms “due process” and “equal protection” as per the 14th Amendment are not only LIES but DAMNED LIES. The 14A is a bad joke. "Hate Speech" and "Hate Crimes," "Affirmative Action," and "Quotas" ALL clearly confer UN-EQUAL Il-legal "protection and opportunity" under supposed constitutional law.* (*Based on creed, color, gender, religion, sexual preference, etc.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-05-01   13:41:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Liberator (#81)

We'll note how the majority consent and authority of the citizenry is again being usurped by a few subversive judges, emboldened and coerced by social media -- then the rest of us will watch the predictable insanity unfold:

In certain parts of the country the rule WILL be social chaos, judicial fascism, public school fast-tracked coercion of the homofascist agenda, and the harassment of churches and clergy. Unimpeded "Hate Crime" and "Hate Speech" crusaders -- shielded by taxpayer funded armed LE "bodyguards" -- will be out in force on social media, in front of Christian businesses, and squatting during Sunday churches services. BLOWBACK will ensue.

Good analysis. However what you posted will only be the tip of the iceberg.

Clergy of any faith refusing to 'marry' homosexuals will lose their 'license' to marry people. Meaning now normal one man-one woman marriages will have to not only do their religious ceremony but also see the JoP to make it 'legal.'

Churches which deny open homosexuals membership in their church or church activities will lose tax exempt status and be labeled 'homophobes' and probably face civil law suits.

Soulless minions of marxism MSM will use the issue in presidential debate formats saying "Mr. X, do you support Church Y for dismissing a pastor who just recently announced he is gay?"

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-01   15:46:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: redleghunter, Liberator (#94)

Churches which deny open homosexuals membership in their church or church activities will lose tax exempt status and be labeled 'homophobes' and probably face civil law suits.

Another issue arises with Christian universities (or the like of other religions) who provide on campus housing for married couples. Will they be forced to provide on campus housing for same-sex couples or lose tax-exempt status?

See Bob Jones University v United States, No 81-3, 461 US 574 (1983). The basic legal issue was the violation of public policy.

Both the courts and the Internal Revenue Service have long recognized that the statutory requirement of being "organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, . . . or educational purposes" was intended to express the basic common law concept [of "charity"]. . . . All charitable trusts, educational or otherwise, are subject to the requirement that the purpose of the trust may not be illegal or contrary to public policy.

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The sponsors of the University genuinely believe that the Bible forbids interracial dating and marriage. To effectuate these views, Negroes were completely excluded until 1971. From 1971 to May, 1975, the University accepted no applications from unmarried Negroes, but did accept applications from Negroes married within their race.

Following the decision of the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit in McCrary v. Runyon, 515 F.2d 1082 (1975), aff'd,427 U. S. 160 (1976), prohibiting racial exclusion from private schools, the University revised its policy. Since May 29, 1975, the University has permitted unmarried Negroes to enroll; but a disciplinary rule prohibits interracial dating and marriage.

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IV

The remaining issue is whether the IRS properly applied its policy to these petitioners. Petitioner Goldsboro Christian Schools admits that it "maintain[s] racially discriminatory policies," Brief for Petitioner in No. 81-1, p. 10, but seeks to justify those policies on grounds we have fully discussed. The IRS properly denied tax-exempt status to Goldsboro Christian Schools.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-05-01   17:27:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#116. To: nolu chan (#101)

I have a huge problem with Christian schools who segregate based on race. There is no Biblical precedence to have such a policy. Homosexuals, yes there is a Biblical precedence not to condone such.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-02 01:07:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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