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Title: Judge Rules that Really Stupid Vermont Law May Be Able to Force GMO-Labels on Food Companies
Source: Reason Magazine
URL Source: http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/28/j ... es-that-vermont-may-be-able-to
Published: Apr 28, 2015
Author: Ronald Bailey
Post Date: 2015-04-29 04:03:28 by A Pole
Keywords: GMO, food, Monsanto
Views: 23093
Comments: 115

In 2013, the idiots, uh, distinguished solons of the Vermont legislature passed a law requiring food companies to label their products containing ingredients derived from modern biotech crops. The "findings" used to justify the legislation is simply the litany of scientific disinformation that has been peddled by anti-biotechnology extremists for years now.

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The food manufacturers oppose the legislation arguing, among other things, that it violates their First Amendment rights by forcing them to engage in speech. In point of fact, the anti-biotech activists are not consumer advocates at all. What they are really aiming at is to confuse consumers so that they will misunderstand and treat labels identifying products as containing ingredients from biotech crops as warning labels.

[...]

As I pointed out in my article, The Top 5 Lies About Biotech Crops, every independent scientific body that has evaluated biotech crops has found them safe for people and the environment. ... As I have already shown above, the real purpose of GMO-labels is to deceive consumers. ... Is picking and choosing between producers really what you want your government to do? ... Finally, folks seeking kosher and halal foods are already well accomodated in the market, but I suppose some folks treat organic foods as a kind of sacrament. Of course, consumers who are bamboozled by the activist disinformation campaign against biotech crops have the perfect way to avoid foods of which they disapprove: Buy anything labeled organic.

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However, the fight is not over. The case will now go to trial, where, let us hope, scientific evidence not activist lies will prevail. Or better yet, as the Washington Post editorial board has suggested, why not adopt the bill introduced in the House of Representatives that would establish a voluntary labeling system and prevent states and localities from going any further to indulge the GM labeling crowd.

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#1. To: A Pole (#0)

There should be nothing to fear from the truth.

But since the companies fear it, fear telling it, fear putting it on the label, therefore, there IS something to fear, something they are hiding.

The USDA should impose a labelling requirement: if there is any GMO in a food product, it should be so labelled, so that people know.

People have a right to know if their food has been genetically modified, so they can decide whether they want to buy that or not.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-29   6:44:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

"People have a right to know if their food has been genetically modified, so they can decide whether they want to buy that or not."

Do they also have a right to know if their food had been irradiated when packaged? Or microwaved before being served at a restaurant?

I heard you could die from radiation poisoning. I want a label so I can boycott those companies based on my ignorance.

And isn't it true that electrical power generated by a nuclear power plant can contaminate my home with radiation if I unplug something and the radioactive electrons dribble out on to the floor?

And that we're all going to die from man-made global warming?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-29   9:21:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#6)

Do they also have a right to know if their food had been irradiated when packaged? Or microwaved before being served at a restaurant?

If there is a substantial portion of the public that fears something and wants to know, yes, of course.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-29   9:57:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#11)

"If there is a substantial portion of the public that fears something and wants to know, yes, of course."

Even if the fears are groundless and can affect entire industries?

I fear insect fragments and larvae. Should we label those?

Let's see. Canned corn can have up to 2 or more 3 mm or longer larvae, cast skins, larval or cast skin fragments. Peanut butter is allowed up to an average of 30 or more insect fragments per 100 grams.

Plus, I want a detailed list of what's in my sausages.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-29   10:07:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#15. To: misterwhite (#12)

Even if the fears are groundless and can affect entire industries?

You are ignorant and clueless. Sorry.

A Pole  posted on  2015-04-29 10:28:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: misterwhite (#12)

Peanut butter is allowed up to an average of 30 or more insect fragments per 100 grams.

Insects can be edible.

A Pole  posted on  2015-04-29 10:30:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: misterwhite (#12)

Even if the fears are groundless and can affect entire industries?

Yes. That's why we have all sorts of traffic rules and signs and stoplights. Fear of something happening.

It's why we don't let people in some states buy raw milk. Fear of something happening (even though it doesn't happen in the states where people do buy raw milk).

We do all sorts of things based on fear and perception. Cops are allowed to use force if they "fear for their safety", even when that fear isn't really reasonable.

If a substantial number of people want a label on food to give them information, then if you want to enter the stream of commerce to make money selling your product, you will conform to the regulations that the community has placed upon your product. Otherwise, you cannot make money selling it.

Simple. Sane.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-29 10:34:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#12)

I fear insect fragments and larvae. Should we label those?

Let's see. Canned corn can have up to 2 or more 3 mm or longer larvae, cast skins, larval or cast skin fragments. Peanut butter is allowed up to an average of 30 or more insect fragments per 100 grams.

Plus, I want a detailed list of what's in my sausages.

If enough people feel as you do, then yes, of course we can pass regulations that require these specific disclosures if you're going to sell your food into the stream of commerce.

People care a great deal about GMO, for reasons beyond simply safe eating. They do not want the food produced at all, for fear of what is being released into the biosphere. One of the pressures on the bee populations has been the roundup-ready corn, which is turned into high fructose corn syrup, which in turn is part of the sugar water fed to bees. They eat pesticide in the sugar, and they weaken.

I don't want to eat GMO food because it wasn't designed by God for me. And I REALLY don't want to eat precisely BECAUSE manufacturers want to hide it. Because they want to hide it, I intend to use the law to force full disclosure.

Europe, led by the French, have put the kebosh on wholesale GMO planting and hormone-tainted meat in Europe. This blocks American produce. Americans scream, and the Americans can go fuck off. Want to sell meat and products in Europe? Want access to that market? Then certify it, on pain of crippling lawsuits and massive punitive damage and criminal prosecution if you lie, that your products have NO GMO in them, and your meat has NO Hormones. Otherwise, you have no right to make money entering the European stream of commerce.

Americans should have the similar choice that Europeans do. We should be able to look at our food products and know if GMO has been used, or if the meat has hormones in it. And if a company lies, we should be able to bring multi-billion dollar class action lawsuits against the companies that lie to us, redistributing their illegally gained profits - PLUS punitive damages - to ourselves AND throw their executives' asses in prison for good measure.

It's my food. I have the right to known what is in it. Since companies want to hide that, then good old democracy and the rule of law needs to jam criminal regulations with civil penalties right up their asses to force them to disclose.

For awhile, the businesses who want to conceal have been able to.

Unforunately, all sorts of allergies are EXPLODING in America (and not in Europe), and all sorts of pancreatic cancer is breaking out here (and not in France). So it's only a matter of time, because these hidden ingredients that politically connected Ag business has put in American food but hasn't been able to get into European food, has created a clear health differential between genetically similar populations in Europe and in the USA.

The tobacco industry was able to hold the line on disclosures and warnings for a long time, but eventually they were brought to heel.

And the difference between tobacco or soda pop, and things like corn and bread and milk and meat, is that the former things are luxuries, products that we always knew were bad for us, but the latter things are FOOD, and people know that Mark 1 Mod 0 God-made FOOD is safe. So if companies are tinkering with the God-crafted food and doing stuff to it, people have the right to know. And if Americans are getting a lot sicker, in weird ways, than Europeans, these hidden things in the food may well be to blame.

People have the right to know what's in their food. And food purveyors who do not want to provide that information have the right to go sell insurance, but not to sell food into the stream of commerce.

Now it is simply a matter of time until more and more and more people decide that they want to know what's in the food. It'll start in "liberal" states, and then be imposed federally. And people like you will scream and bellyache against it, and scream that the country is being lost to "socialists" or "crazies", as you lose yet another battle that you shouldn't have fought in the first place.

There are battles worth fighting. The battle to allow huge companies to HIDE what they are putting in the food is not a battle that anybody should be fighting. THEY are fighting because it's big money to them. But the rest of US should want disclosure.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-29 10:48:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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