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Title: We will not obey: Christian leaders threaten civil disobedience if Supreme Court legalizes gay marriage
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015 ... disobedience-if-supreme-court/
Published: Apr 28, 2015
Author: By Todd Starnes
Post Date: 2015-04-28 23:19:07 by out damned spot
Keywords: Christian, Supreme Court, civil disobedience
Views: 29803
Comments: 140

"We will not obey.”

That’s the blunt warning a group of prominent religious leaders is sending to the Supreme Court of the United States as they consider same-sex marriage.

“We respectfully warn the Supreme Court not to cross that line,” read a document titled, Pledge in Solidarity to Defend Marriage. “We stand united together in defense of marriage. Make no mistake about our resolve.”

“While there are many things we can endure, redefining marriage is so fundamental to the natural order and the common good that this is the line we must draw and one we cannot and will not cross,” the pledge states.

The signees are a who’s who of religious leaders including former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum, National Religious Broadcasters president Jerry Johnson, Pastor John Hagee, and Franklin Graham, president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and Samaritan’s Purse.

The pledge was co-drafted by Deacon Keith Fournier, a Catholic deacon, and Mat Staver, the founder of Liberty Counsel. Also involved in the document were Rick Scarborough, the president of Vision America Action and James Dobson, the founder of Family Talk Radio.

“We’re sending a warning to the Supreme Court and frankly any court that crosses the line on the issue of marriage,” Staver told me.

He said that once same-sex marriage is elevated to the level of protected status – it will transform the face of society and will result in the “beginning of the end of Western Civilization.”

“You are essentially saying that boys and girls don’t need moms and dads – that moms and dads are irrelevant,” Staver said. “Gender becomes pointless when government adopts same-sex marriage. It creates a genderless relationship out of a very gender-specific relationship. It says that it doesn’t matter and that two moms or two dads are absolutely equivalent to a mom and a dad.”

Dobson said the legalization of same-sex marriage could fracture the nation.

“The institution of marriage is fundamental and it must be defended,” he told me. “It’s the foundation for the entire culture. It’s been in existence for 5,000 years. If you weaken it or if you undermine it – the entire superstructure can come down. We see it as that important.”

And that means the possibility of Christians – people of faith – engaging in acts of civil disobedience.

“Yes, I’m talking about civil disobedience,” Staver said. “I’m talking about resistance and I’m talking about peaceful resistance against unjust laws and unjust rulings.”

That’s quite a shocking statement. So I asked Mr. Staver to clarify his remarks.

“I’m calling for people to not recognize the legitimacy of that ruling because it’s not grounded in the Rule of Law,” he told me. “They need to resist that ruling in every way possible. In a peaceful way – they need to resist it as much as Martin Luther King, Jr. resisted unjust laws in his time.”

Scarborough said the pledge was meant to be forthright and clear.

“We’re facing a real Constitutional crisis if the Supreme Court rules adversely from our perspective on same-sex marriage,” he told me. For me there’s no option. I’m going to choose to serve the Lord. And I think that thousands of other pastors will take that position and hundreds of thousands – if not millions of Christians.”

Scarborough is urging pastors across the nation to sign the pledge.

He referenced the “outrageous penalties” being assessed against people of faith simply because they don’t want to participate in a same-sex union.

An Oregon bakery is facing a $135,000 fine for refusing to make a cake for a lesbian wedding and a Washington State florist faces fines for refusing to participate in a gay wedding.

“Christians are being declared the lawbreakers when we are simply living by what we have always believed, and by a set of laws that the culture historically has agreed to,” he said. “Right now the courts are changing the playing field and declaring that what the natural eye can see and natural law reveals is not truth. ... What will we do, and how will we respond?”

Dobson said there’s no doubt that LGBT activists are targeting Christian business owners.

“For about 50 years the homosexual community has had as its goal to change the culture, to change the ideology and if necessary – to force people who don’t agree by use of the courts,” Dobson told me. “I think there’s a collision here and we can all see it and where it’s going to go is anybody’s guess – but it is serious.”

To be clear – the men and women who courageously signed this pledge did so knowing the hell storm that is about to be unleashed on them – and their families.

“We have no choice,” Staver told me. “We cannot compromise our clear biblical convictions, our religious convictions.

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#25. To: VxH (#9)

And every one of them is evidently in denial of the biological facts

Indeed that is a FACT.

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   11:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: VxH (#13)

for the last 3.6 billion years, simple cells (prokaryotes);

I think that was increased recently by a few billion years. But what's a few billion years of unobserved 'science.':)

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   11:07:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: redleghunter (#24)

"When I joined the Army being gay was against regulations...Then it was ok as long as you did not talk about it...Then it was legal and lauded...I'm retiring before they make it mandatory!"

It is funny but I recall the Pentagon had some study or a conference in the early Bush years where they considered the idea of an all-gay Marine Corps. Fewer problems with homesick soldiers wanting to rotate home for family time, fewer problems with soldiers picking up venereal disease from local women/prostitutes, etc.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-29   11:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: redleghunter (#21)

If the SCOTUS followed the Constitution they would not even hear the 'gay marriage' issue.

Freedom to exercise one's religion IS in the Bill of Rights. Someone's preference to conduct unnatural sexual acts IS NOT in the Constitution.

AMEN! And two more AMENS!

There is CLEAR deprivation and violations of Christians' 1st Amendment Rights. Bestiality is NOT covered by the Bill of Rights; Neither is Homosexuality (an immoral, criminal act during the Founders' time and for 200 years.) "Christians" who proceed as advocates these queer issues do so at their own peril.

A Tree and its Fruit
21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-29   11:13:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Willie Green, ALl (#5)

Nobody is forcing them to abandon their personal their personal beliefs.

But the government is forcing people to act against and violate their personal beliefs. This is intolerance with extreme prejudice. But that is typical of "progressives".

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-04-29   11:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: out damned spot (#0) (Edited)

We will not obey: Christian leaders threaten civil disobedience if Supreme Court legalizes gay marriage

I find no reason that anyone, religious or otherwise, should be compelled to contribute to, or perticipate in, glorification or false normalization of a system of serious psychopathology.

rlk  posted on  2015-04-29   11:17:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Liberator (#23)

Where's that "angry God" sermon again? :-)

Did I post one? I think I did a few months ago.

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   11:22:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: rlk (#30) (Edited)

I find no reason that anyone should be compelled to contribute to, or perticipate in, glorification or false normalization of a system of serious psychopathology.

No reason....other than gubmint sanctioned coercion, extortion, and blackmail TO be "compelled" to worship at the altar of homosexuality...OR ELSE.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-29   11:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: redleghunter (#31)

Yes...but it was only a month or two ago (I believe.) I have it bookmarked somewhere.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-29   11:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#6)

You're full of shit Willie.

Am I wearing black robes?
Do I look like a Supreme Court Justice to you?

Get a clue: nobody gives a flying spit what my opinion is on anything.
I guarantee... That's a FACT....
So save your whining & crying & griping for Roberts & Kennedy...
Those are the two who are probably gonna screw you by siding with the libtard side of the court on this issue.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm not gonna worry about it much...
So I'm just gonna kick back and munch on some popcorn and watch it happen.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-04-29   11:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: redleghunter (#24)

"When I joined the Army being gay was against regulations...Then it was ok as long as you did not talk about it...Then it was legal and lauded...I'm retiring before they make it mandatory!"

Har!

The post of the day!

rlk  posted on  2015-04-29   11:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: TooConservative (#27)

fewer problems with soldiers picking up venereal disease from local women/prostitutes, etc.

Yeah that would solve much...NOT! Whatever crackpot paid tax dollars for that 'study' missed the fact of HIV/AIDS.

I've seen the Army internal trends on STDs of Soldiers recently. Shows a decrease in 'external' contracting of STDs and an increase in internal contracted STDs. Meaning within units where there are males and females a host male or female is causing all the problems. Chlamydia ranks at the top of STDs at least amongst Soldiers. Docs said it was much worse in the 90s as more of the younger Soldiers are getting smarter on STD prevention. They are also getting smarter on avoiding the female soldier in the supply room in a mostly all male unit.

In and around even the most sleazy military 'gate towns' mayors and post commanders have helped clean up the strip clubs and other 'unofficial brothel' front stores. Local ordinances have pushed those places out of the city limits and some commanders have made certain locations off limits for health and welfare purposes.

When I reported to Fort Sill back in the late 80s the city of Lawton was a hole. Pawn shops, strip joints, massage parlors etc. All on the main road going into post. When I came back to Sill in '94 the massage parlors were all gone, the strip clubs were pushed into the hinter land at the county line, but the pawn shops were still there with a fresh coat of paint.

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   11:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Liberator (#17)

"In the interest of historical context, for Adams and his peers, "religious" meant "Christian."

According to ... you.

“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
-- John Adams

So he really meant, “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Christian.”

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-29   11:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: redleghunter, Liberator (#31)

Where's that "angry God" sermon again? :-)

Did I post one? I think I did a few months ago.

Damn, Ram, I thought that you can do this at the drop of a hat. Are you slowing down?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-04-29   12:08:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: redleghunter, TooConservative (#36)

All on the main road going into post. When I came back to Sill in '94 the massage parlors were all gone, the strip clubs were pushed into the hinter land at the county line, but the pawn shops were still there with a fresh coat of paint.

All that means is that the solidiers need more money because they have to travel further for their messages and poontang.

Hear tell that Roman Generals on occasion would pay for their troops' lady pleasures. Did they have STDs back then?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-04-29   12:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: SOSO (#38)

Are you slowing down?

Guess I missed my one cup of morning coffee today too:)

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   12:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: misterwhite redleg hunter (#37)

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” -- John Adams

This is a misquote . The wording comes from Article 11 of The 1797 Treaty of Tripoli . The full text is: “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

The treaty was written by American diplomat, John Barlow. John Adams merely signed the treaty after ratification.

Now if you are looking for words penned by Adams then you need look no further than the Treaty of Paris 1798. Here are his words :

In the Name of the most Holy & undivided Trinity.

It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the Hearts of the most Serene and most Potent Prince George the Third, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, Duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, Arch- Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc.. and of the United States of America, to forget all past Misunderstandings and Differences that have unhappily interrupted the good Correspondence and Friendship which they mutually wish to restore

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-04-29   12:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: misterwhite (#37)

Uh, no.

In the context of the time, "religion" CLEARLY meant "Christian."

“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” -- John Adams

A tangent that is NOT germane to this point.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-29   12:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: redleghunter, SOSO (#40)

If he is slowing down, he's let up from 100 MPH down to 90...but elsewhere hit the pedal to the metal :-)

I know for a fact that Red juggles several beast-modes.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-29   12:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: SOSO, redleghunter, ALL (#38)

Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God

Post Date: 2015-03-07 00:07:19 by redleghunter

Great stuff and a keeper.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-29   12:47:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Liberator (#44)

Ah yes from First Things. Thanks. Have to post another article from that site this week.

Thanks.

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   14:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: redleghunter, Liberator, GarySpFc, Too Conservative (#24) (Edited)

Have you been keeping up with the USSC case on homo marriage??

If you haven't what do you think this little statement made by Roberts yesterday during oral arguments means... "If Sue loves Joe and Tom loves Joe, Sue could marry him and Tom can't. Why isn't that a straightforward question of sexual discrimination"?

Everybody seems to think Kennedy is gonna be the swing vote but after seeing that I'm not so sure his vote will matter..

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-04-29   19:14:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: redleghunter, Liberator (#36)

When I reported to Fort Sill back in the late 80s the city of Lawton was a hole. Pawn shops, strip joints, massage parlors etc. All on the main road going into post.

Reminds me of Wichita Falls when I was going to Sheppard for Tech School.

I lived in the apartments that were right over the front gate and there was a motel on either side of those apartments, along with head shops, tat parlors and assorted other crap. It was fun to sit out on the front porch and watch all of the comings and goings at the motels on Fri and Sat nights. Two of the most frequent visitors to the motels were the 2 girls in my Tech School class... LOL...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-04-29   19:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Willie Green (#34)

You're full of shit Willie. Am I wearing black robes? Do I look like a Supreme Court Justice to you?

I'm saying you are full of it if you believe the interpret the constitution. They just make stuff up. Roe vs wade.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-29   21:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: misterwhite (#15) (Edited)

Second, being a Unitarian, Jefferson did not believe that Jesus Christ is God. He believed there was only one God.

No shyte captain obvious. I didn't say otherwise.

Third, your Jefferson quote was referring to the Virginia State Constitution,

No, actually it was referring to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-29   22:34:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: SOSO (#22)

Jefferson also was a slave owner and had one for his personal pleasure having children with her. Was he one of the religious and moral people to who Adam's was referring?

What did Adams do to abolish slavery Comrade?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-29   22:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: CZ82 (#46)

SCOTUS oral arguments are weird. My observations have been justices will ask opposing arguments to the lawyers. For example the Sue, Joe and Tom question was probably posed to the side opposing homosexual "marriage."

I remember Sotomeyer, the wise Latina, asking a leading question to the government SG reference the legality of Obamacare when that was before the SCOTUS. You had conservative pundits gushing over a lib on the court making their argument.

It turned out different of course.

It is their way of shaking down key arguments to see if they are valid and if the court should even consider them.

These lawyers come in with hundreds of "legal precedence" briefings and the court has to weed out the fluff.

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-30   0:32:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: VxH (#50)

What did Adams do to abolish slavery Comrade?

Comrade? LMAO. Adams never owned a slave. Was vocally against slavery all of his public life and supported gradual abolishment. Adams was not in the country when the Consitution was drafted. Neither was Jefferson for that matter. But Jefferson kept his slaves to the end of his life.

John Adams opposed slavery his entire lifea as a "foul contagion in the human character" and "an evil of colossal magnitude."

At the Constitutional Convention, ............... (James Madison, Notes on the Federal Convention, 1787). John Adams wrote, “Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States…I have, through my whole life, held the practice of slavery in…abhorrence."

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-04-30   0:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: A K A Stone (#48)

They just make stuff up. Roe vs wade.

They didn't just make stuff up.
In Roe v Wade, the Court ruled 7–2 that a right to privacy under the due process clause of the 14th Amendment extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion:

Amendment XIV
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

In Roe v Wade, the Court balanced the rights of the Mother against the rights of the baby, and ruled in favor of the mother... especially in cases involving incest or rape.

You don't like their decision and neither do I. But the 14th Amendment is purposefully vague and open to interpretation, so that's what they did. Tough shit for you and me, but they didn't just "make it up." That's the way the system works.

So the only way to overturn the Court's ruling is to ratify another Constitutional Amendment that specifically protects the baby's Right to Life. Congress has been trying to do that ever since 1973, with no luck. Once again, tough shit for you and me, but that's the way the system works too. If you don't like it, then blame the Founding Fathers because they're the ones who set up the system to begin with.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-04-30   6:52:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Willie Green (#53)

They didn't just make stuff up. In Roe v Wade, the Court ruled 7–2 that a right to privacy under the due process clause of the 14th Amendment extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion:

Like I said they make stuff up.

Every supreme court judge that ruled that way should have been taken out in the back of the White House and shot. That is what the President should have done.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-30   9:07:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Willie Green (#53)

In Roe v Wade, the Court balanced the rights of the Mother against the rights of the baby

No lefty. Th=ey just legalizede child murder. And you cheer it on.

We need to prosecute people in favor of abortion. For attempted murder and murder. Then find them guily and remove the scumbags from society. Then they can burn in hell. That is where most leftists go.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-30   9:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: SOSO (#52) (Edited)

Blah blah blah.

What did Adams DO to abolish slavery?

Fact is, apart from exercising his lips, he DID, nothing; but that won't stop arseholes like you from raising him up as a saint for the denigration of Jefferson, and Washington... etc.

COMMERCE BETWEEN MASTER AND SLAVE IS ________? --Thomas Jefferson

Did Saint Adams pick cotton himself and homespin it into clothes - or did he, like everybody else -- benefit from the labor of despotism?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-30   9:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: redleghunter (#26)

unobserved 'science.'

What's the "observed 'science'" regarding the alleged slavery of the Jews in Egypt?

http://www.google.com/#q=were+hebrews+really+slaves+in+egypt

www.reformjudaism.org/were-jews-slaves-egypt

Evidently, there is none.

Rutro! Was the passover just another myth atop a pyramidesque pile of eunuch-parrot droppings?

Maybe Martin Luther wasn't delirious after all...

http://www.google.com/search?q=Luther+the+Jews+and+their+lies

VxH  posted on  2015-04-30   10:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: VxH, liberator (#57)

What's the "observed 'science'" regarding the alleged slavery of the Jews in Egypt?

Hundreds of thousands of Israelites....Sorry but most the Egyptians who 'witnessed' these things perished.

Exodus 1

The link above will get you started. Good read. YHWH speaks a lot in that book and also Himself writes these things down.

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-30   10:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: SOSO, Vx? (#52)

Adams never owned a slave. Was vocally against slavery all of his public life and supported gradual abolishment. (John Adams wrote, “Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States…I have, through my whole life, held the practice of slavery in…abhorrence.")

Adams was not in the country when the Consitution was drafted. Neither was Jefferson for that matter. But Jefferson kept his slaves to the end of his life.

Oh, that's gonna leave a mark.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-30   10:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: redleghunter, Vx? (#58)

Exodus 1

The link above will get you started. Good read.

Yes. But...but if Jefferson didn't write Exodus 1, then how could it have happened?

;-)

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-30   10:25:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: A K A Stone (#54)

they [SC justices] make stuff up.

They do indeed. The libs rely on their personal opinions and biases -- NOT Constitution law.)

SC Justices as well as ALL judges should become elected officials with reasonable term limits. They are NOT Kings and Queens.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-30   10:28:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone (#54)

Every supreme court judge that ruled that way should have been taken out in the back of the White House and shot. That is what the President should have done.

Nixon???
That's nutz... and unconstitutional to boot...

Only Congress can remove federal judges from office...
They have to be impeached by the House and tried in the Senate.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-04-30   10:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: redleghunter (#51)

SCOTUS oral arguments are weird.

My observations have been justices will ask opposing arguments to the lawyers. For example the Sue, Joe and Tom question was probably posed to the side opposing homosexual "marriage."

I remember Sotomeyer, the wise Latina, asking a leading question to the government SG reference the legality of Obamacare when that was before the SCOTUS. You had conservative pundits gushing over a lib on the court making their argument. It turned out different of course.

Good catch. Sotomeyer gave us a head-fake and deke. Roberts appears to have signaled his mind is already made up (or is THAT another head fake??) Bader-Witchburg is openly and publicly siding with Satan -- as we expect.

This is unprecedented from SCOTUS. Legal opinions and viewpoints (and lobbyists) are obviously solicited, polls are considered, and raw personal opinions complete the "scoring criteria."

VOILA! The "Living, Breathing Constitution" in action.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-30   10:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Willie Green, A K A Stone (#53)

In Roe v Wade, the Court ruled 7–2 that a right to privacy under the due process clause of the 14th Amendment extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion.

The 14th Amendment is purposefully vague and open to interpretation, so that's what they did. Tough shit for you and me, but they didn't just "make it up."

Yes, the 14A is vague...but no so vague that infanticide can't still be construed as murder.

Why didn't the SC rule that an aborted baby was also a "privacy" issue WITHOUT "due process" as the preborn is clearly a person??

Yeah -- SCOTUS did make up sh*t. They ruled in favor of their own warped, politicized version of the "truth." WHICH STILL SANCTIONS MURDER OF THE UNBORN. Period.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-30   10:46:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone, A Pole, liberator, BobCeleste, GarySpFc (#54)

Like I said they make stuff up.

Indeed. The US and West in general are beggars to their own demise. What made our society in the first place was recognizing there are absolutes in our world and universe. Marriage between a man and a woman is one of the human interactions which has been an absolute for all socieites since recorded history.

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-30   10:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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