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Title: We will not obey: Christian leaders threaten civil disobedience if Supreme Court legalizes gay marriage
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015 ... disobedience-if-supreme-court/
Published: Apr 28, 2015
Author: By Todd Starnes
Post Date: 2015-04-28 23:19:07 by out damned spot
Keywords: Christian, Supreme Court, civil disobedience
Views: 29957
Comments: 140

"We will not obey.”

That’s the blunt warning a group of prominent religious leaders is sending to the Supreme Court of the United States as they consider same-sex marriage.

“We respectfully warn the Supreme Court not to cross that line,” read a document titled, Pledge in Solidarity to Defend Marriage. “We stand united together in defense of marriage. Make no mistake about our resolve.”

“While there are many things we can endure, redefining marriage is so fundamental to the natural order and the common good that this is the line we must draw and one we cannot and will not cross,” the pledge states.

The signees are a who’s who of religious leaders including former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum, National Religious Broadcasters president Jerry Johnson, Pastor John Hagee, and Franklin Graham, president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and Samaritan’s Purse.

The pledge was co-drafted by Deacon Keith Fournier, a Catholic deacon, and Mat Staver, the founder of Liberty Counsel. Also involved in the document were Rick Scarborough, the president of Vision America Action and James Dobson, the founder of Family Talk Radio.

“We’re sending a warning to the Supreme Court and frankly any court that crosses the line on the issue of marriage,” Staver told me.

He said that once same-sex marriage is elevated to the level of protected status – it will transform the face of society and will result in the “beginning of the end of Western Civilization.”

“You are essentially saying that boys and girls don’t need moms and dads – that moms and dads are irrelevant,” Staver said. “Gender becomes pointless when government adopts same-sex marriage. It creates a genderless relationship out of a very gender-specific relationship. It says that it doesn’t matter and that two moms or two dads are absolutely equivalent to a mom and a dad.”

Dobson said the legalization of same-sex marriage could fracture the nation.

“The institution of marriage is fundamental and it must be defended,” he told me. “It’s the foundation for the entire culture. It’s been in existence for 5,000 years. If you weaken it or if you undermine it – the entire superstructure can come down. We see it as that important.”

And that means the possibility of Christians – people of faith – engaging in acts of civil disobedience.

“Yes, I’m talking about civil disobedience,” Staver said. “I’m talking about resistance and I’m talking about peaceful resistance against unjust laws and unjust rulings.”

That’s quite a shocking statement. So I asked Mr. Staver to clarify his remarks.

“I’m calling for people to not recognize the legitimacy of that ruling because it’s not grounded in the Rule of Law,” he told me. “They need to resist that ruling in every way possible. In a peaceful way – they need to resist it as much as Martin Luther King, Jr. resisted unjust laws in his time.”

Scarborough said the pledge was meant to be forthright and clear.

“We’re facing a real Constitutional crisis if the Supreme Court rules adversely from our perspective on same-sex marriage,” he told me. For me there’s no option. I’m going to choose to serve the Lord. And I think that thousands of other pastors will take that position and hundreds of thousands – if not millions of Christians.”

Scarborough is urging pastors across the nation to sign the pledge.

He referenced the “outrageous penalties” being assessed against people of faith simply because they don’t want to participate in a same-sex union.

An Oregon bakery is facing a $135,000 fine for refusing to make a cake for a lesbian wedding and a Washington State florist faces fines for refusing to participate in a gay wedding.

“Christians are being declared the lawbreakers when we are simply living by what we have always believed, and by a set of laws that the culture historically has agreed to,” he said. “Right now the courts are changing the playing field and declaring that what the natural eye can see and natural law reveals is not truth. ... What will we do, and how will we respond?”

Dobson said there’s no doubt that LGBT activists are targeting Christian business owners.

“For about 50 years the homosexual community has had as its goal to change the culture, to change the ideology and if necessary – to force people who don’t agree by use of the courts,” Dobson told me. “I think there’s a collision here and we can all see it and where it’s going to go is anybody’s guess – but it is serious.”

To be clear – the men and women who courageously signed this pledge did so knowing the hell storm that is about to be unleashed on them – and their families.

“We have no choice,” Staver told me. “We cannot compromise our clear biblical convictions, our religious convictions.

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#5. To: out damned spot (#0)

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

These folks are fighting a losing battle.
Nobody is forcing them to abandon their personal their personal beliefs.
However, there are "leaders" of other Christian denominations, as well as Jewish, Scientologist, Agnostic, Buddhist, Muslim (although I doubt it), Wiccan and whatever else you can come up with "leaders" who favor gay marriage.

The SCOTUS interprets our laws based on the Consitution, NOT the Christian Bible.
Even if SCOTUS defers to the 10th Amendment, gay marriage acieves status akin to the Sunday Blue Laws: inconsistant from state to state, but eventually achieving national recognition as religious intolerance wanes.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-04-29   7:15:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Willie Green, sneakypete (#5)

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-29   8:28:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#6)

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-04-29   9:23:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Fred Mertz (#11) (Edited)

Basic timeline

In its 4.6 billion years circling the Sun, the Earth has harbored an increasing diversity of life forms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_evolutionary_history_of_life

Maybe one of the homosexual activists in the peanut gallery would like to tell the class exactly where in the above timeline natural selection made homosexual masturbation more beneficial than heterosexual procreation?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-29   9:37:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: VxH (#13)

for the last 3.6 billion years, simple cells (prokaryotes);

I think that was increased recently by a few billion years. But what's a few billion years of unobserved 'science.':)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   11:07:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: redleghunter (#26)

unobserved 'science.'

What's the "observed 'science'" regarding the alleged slavery of the Jews in Egypt?

http://www.google.com/#q=were+hebrews+really+slaves+in+egypt

www.reformjudaism.org/were-jews-slaves-egypt

Evidently, there is none.

Rutro! Was the passover just another myth atop a pyramidesque pile of eunuch-parrot droppings?

Maybe Martin Luther wasn't delirious after all...

http://www.google.com/search?q=Luther+the+Jews+and+their+lies

VxH  posted on  2015-04-30   10:04:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: VxH, liberator (#57)

What's the "observed 'science'" regarding the alleged slavery of the Jews in Egypt?

Hundreds of thousands of Israelites....Sorry but most the Egyptians who 'witnessed' these things perished.

Exodus 1

The link above will get you started. Good read. YHWH speaks a lot in that book and also Himself writes these things down.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-30   10:15:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: redleghunter (#58)

Exodus 1

Been there read that. Who wrote Exodus?

Where's the archaeological evidence supporting the assertion the Hebrews were kept as slaves by their fellow Noahedic tribesmen?

VxH  posted on  2015-05-01   20:11:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: VxH (#121)

Where's the evidence the Torah is not historical?

redleghunter  posted on  2015-05-02   1:09:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: redleghunter (#122) (Edited)

Where's the evidence the Torah is not historical?

Where's the evidence it's not just another mythology concocted by invading, lying, victors and fallen "angels"?

The Torah devotes more than four books to the proposition that the Israelites came to Canaan after having been subjugated in Egypt for generations, and yet there is no archaeological evidence to support that they were ever in Egypt. A prolonged Egyptian stay should have left Egyptian elements in the material culture, such as the pottery found in the early Israelite settlements in Canaan, but there are none...
www.reformjudaism.org/were-jews-slaves-egypt

VxH  posted on  2015-05-02   8:24:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: VxH (#123)

Where's the evidence it's not just another mythology concocted by invading, lying, victors and fallen "angels"?

The evidence is in the words. They fit together perfectly. Unlike man written documents like say the constitution.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-04   21:15:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: A K A Stone (#128) (Edited)

The evidence is in the words.

You mean like the evidence of fallen "angels" like Lucifer, err wait, Nebuchadnezzar?

Whose who again in Isaiah 14?

VxH  posted on  2015-05-04   21:21:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: VxH (#129)

You mean like the evidence of fallen "angels" like Lucifer, err wait, Nebuchadnezzar?

I'm talking about how the words work together and never ever contradict each other.

What are you talking aboutt? I know there were fallen angels. But what is your point about them?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-04   21:22:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: A K A Stone (#130)

I know there were fallen angels.

LOL. Like the one in Isaiah 14?

VxH  posted on  2015-05-04   21:24:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: VxH (#131)

LOL. Like the one in Isaiah 14?

Show me exactly what you have a problem with.

14 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

22 For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.

23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the Lord of hosts.

24 The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.

27 For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

28 In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.

29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.

31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the Lord hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-05-04   21:28:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#133. To: A K A Stone (#132)

Do you believe that the Lucifer of verse 12 is "satan" the fallen angel?

VxH  posted on  2015-05-04 21:33:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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