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Title: We will not obey: Christian leaders threaten civil disobedience if Supreme Court legalizes gay marriage
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015 ... disobedience-if-supreme-court/
Published: Apr 28, 2015
Author: By Todd Starnes
Post Date: 2015-04-28 23:19:07 by out damned spot
Keywords: Christian, Supreme Court, civil disobedience
Views: 23748
Comments: 140

"We will not obey.”

That’s the blunt warning a group of prominent religious leaders is sending to the Supreme Court of the United States as they consider same-sex marriage.

“We respectfully warn the Supreme Court not to cross that line,” read a document titled, Pledge in Solidarity to Defend Marriage. “We stand united together in defense of marriage. Make no mistake about our resolve.”

“While there are many things we can endure, redefining marriage is so fundamental to the natural order and the common good that this is the line we must draw and one we cannot and will not cross,” the pledge states.

The signees are a who’s who of religious leaders including former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum, National Religious Broadcasters president Jerry Johnson, Pastor John Hagee, and Franklin Graham, president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and Samaritan’s Purse.

The pledge was co-drafted by Deacon Keith Fournier, a Catholic deacon, and Mat Staver, the founder of Liberty Counsel. Also involved in the document were Rick Scarborough, the president of Vision America Action and James Dobson, the founder of Family Talk Radio.

“We’re sending a warning to the Supreme Court and frankly any court that crosses the line on the issue of marriage,” Staver told me.

He said that once same-sex marriage is elevated to the level of protected status – it will transform the face of society and will result in the “beginning of the end of Western Civilization.”

“You are essentially saying that boys and girls don’t need moms and dads – that moms and dads are irrelevant,” Staver said. “Gender becomes pointless when government adopts same-sex marriage. It creates a genderless relationship out of a very gender-specific relationship. It says that it doesn’t matter and that two moms or two dads are absolutely equivalent to a mom and a dad.”

Dobson said the legalization of same-sex marriage could fracture the nation.

“The institution of marriage is fundamental and it must be defended,” he told me. “It’s the foundation for the entire culture. It’s been in existence for 5,000 years. If you weaken it or if you undermine it – the entire superstructure can come down. We see it as that important.”

And that means the possibility of Christians – people of faith – engaging in acts of civil disobedience.

“Yes, I’m talking about civil disobedience,” Staver said. “I’m talking about resistance and I’m talking about peaceful resistance against unjust laws and unjust rulings.”

That’s quite a shocking statement. So I asked Mr. Staver to clarify his remarks.

“I’m calling for people to not recognize the legitimacy of that ruling because it’s not grounded in the Rule of Law,” he told me. “They need to resist that ruling in every way possible. In a peaceful way – they need to resist it as much as Martin Luther King, Jr. resisted unjust laws in his time.”

Scarborough said the pledge was meant to be forthright and clear.

“We’re facing a real Constitutional crisis if the Supreme Court rules adversely from our perspective on same-sex marriage,” he told me. For me there’s no option. I’m going to choose to serve the Lord. And I think that thousands of other pastors will take that position and hundreds of thousands – if not millions of Christians.”

Scarborough is urging pastors across the nation to sign the pledge.

He referenced the “outrageous penalties” being assessed against people of faith simply because they don’t want to participate in a same-sex union.

An Oregon bakery is facing a $135,000 fine for refusing to make a cake for a lesbian wedding and a Washington State florist faces fines for refusing to participate in a gay wedding.

“Christians are being declared the lawbreakers when we are simply living by what we have always believed, and by a set of laws that the culture historically has agreed to,” he said. “Right now the courts are changing the playing field and declaring that what the natural eye can see and natural law reveals is not truth. ... What will we do, and how will we respond?”

Dobson said there’s no doubt that LGBT activists are targeting Christian business owners.

“For about 50 years the homosexual community has had as its goal to change the culture, to change the ideology and if necessary – to force people who don’t agree by use of the courts,” Dobson told me. “I think there’s a collision here and we can all see it and where it’s going to go is anybody’s guess – but it is serious.”

To be clear – the men and women who courageously signed this pledge did so knowing the hell storm that is about to be unleashed on them – and their families.

“We have no choice,” Staver told me. “We cannot compromise our clear biblical convictions, our religious convictions.

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#1. To: out damned spot (#0)

Resist "the man"...I'm there!

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   0:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: redleghunter (#1)

:)

http://www.tedcruz.org

out damned spot  posted on  2015-04-29   1:36:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: redleghunter (#1) (Edited)

Yeah we'll see how long the parrots remained perched once the tax-exempt gravy train dries up.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-29   6:49:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: redleghunter (#1)

"It’s the foundation for the entire culture. It’s been in existence for 5,000 years."

HETEROsexual procreation was created for the human species by billions of years of natural selection.

That was the reality that existed when Romans 1:25+ was being recorded, and it's the reality now.

It's unfortunate for this generation, in the purview of wise religious fools, that they've been castrated and rendered impotent in discerning and making use of those Natural facts.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-29   6:57:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: out damned spot (#0)

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

These folks are fighting a losing battle.
Nobody is forcing them to abandon their personal their personal beliefs.
However, there are "leaders" of other Christian denominations, as well as Jewish, Scientologist, Agnostic, Buddhist, Muslim (although I doubt it), Wiccan and whatever else you can come up with "leaders" who favor gay marriage.

The SCOTUS interprets our laws based on the Consitution, NOT the Christian Bible.
Even if SCOTUS defers to the 10th Amendment, gay marriage acieves status akin to the Sunday Blue Laws: inconsistant from state to state, but eventually achieving national recognition as religious intolerance wanes.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-04-29   7:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Willie Green, sneakypete (#5)

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-29   8:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: out damned spot (#0)

We will not obey: Christian leaders threaten civil disobedience if Supreme Court legalizes gay homosexual marriage

While by no means a Christian leader, my name and church can be added to that list.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-04-29   8:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Willie Green (#5)

"The SCOTUS interprets our laws based on the Consitution, NOT the Christian Bible."

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
-- John Adams

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-29   8:58:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Willie Green (#5)

However, there are "leaders" of other Christian denominations, as well as Jewish, Scientologist, Agnostic, Buddhist, Muslim (although I doubt it), Wiccan and whatever else you can come up with "leaders" who favor gay marriage.

And every one of them is evidently in denial of the biological facts rendered by nature through millions of years of natural selection: Nature selected HETEROsexual procreation for humans.

It's not the first time fools believed themselves to be wise, abominated nature, and suffered the resulting natural due penalties -- and probably won't be the last time either.

Stupid is as stupid does.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-29   9:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#8)

moral and religious people.

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read, "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."

Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography

1821 width=16>Works 1:71

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions45.html

 

Infidels can be just as moral and religious as Christian sheeple.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-29   9:19:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#6)

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-04-29   9:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Fred Mertz (#11)

Very Christian attitude you have, Mr. Taliban.

It's a human attitude.

Ever notice that, througout history, whenever the transhumanist/postgenderist eunuchs manage to prop their ilk up atop the state-established pyramid -- nature always rules against them?

Homosexual marriage is as natural as cancer.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-29   9:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Fred Mertz (#11) (Edited)

Basic timeline

In its 4.6 billion years circling the Sun, the Earth has harbored an increasing diversity of life forms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_evolutionary_history_of_life

Maybe one of the homosexual activists in the peanut gallery would like to tell the class exactly where in the above timeline natural selection made homosexual masturbation more beneficial than heterosexual procreation?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-29   9:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: VxH (#10)

Infidels can be just as moral and religious as Christian sheeple.

Very true....especially us ARMED INFIDELS.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-29   9:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: VxH (#10)

First, John Adams was referring to a moral and religious people, not moral and religious Christians. So you're argument is addressing a point I didn't make.

Second, being a Unitarian, Jefferson did not believe that Jesus Christ is God. He believed there was only one God.

Third, your Jefferson quote was referring to the Virginia State Constitution, not the U.S. Constitution. Jefferson also proposed "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms within his own lands or tenements."

That was also rejected by the Virginia legislature.

So I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the proposals he made for the state constitution.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-29   9:45:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: VxH, TooConservative, GarySpFc, Don, BobCeleste, liberator, tomder55, out damned spot (#3)

Yeah we'll see how long the parrots remained perched once the tax-exempt gravy train dries up.

There is an upside and downside to this.

The downside, if this happens, will be Christian charitable organizations losing their tax-exempt status. I am sure most are prepared to deal with this and from what I can tell most already operate as non-profit organizations. We already observed a few states deny Christian based adoption services based on state pro-sodomite laws. One being the emperor's 'home' state.

The upside is all the charlatan prosperity gospel televangelists. The Beamer driving 'pastors' will have to find another gravy train.

So really losing tax exempt status only hurts financially 'ministries' like Joel Osteen.

Yet on a federal level the extension of such measures will also hurt some Christian based or run charities.

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   9:53:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: misterwhite (#15)

First, John Adams was referring to a moral and religious people, not moral and religious Christians.

In the interest of historical context, for Adams and his peers, "religious" meant "Christian."

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-29   10:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: VxH, liberator (#4)

It's unfortunate for this generation, in the purview of wise religious fools, that they've been castrated and rendered impotent in discerning and making use of those Natural facts.

Just think...the temple eunuchs you always talk about will need a second job to make the payments on the McMansion.

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   10:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: redleghunter (#16)

The upside is all the charlatan prosperity gospel televangelists. The Beamer driving 'pastors' will have to find another gravy train.

So really losing tax exempt status only hurts financially 'ministries' like Joel Osteen.

Ha -- true.

"God-wants-you-to-be-rich-and-happy" ministries like Joel Osteen's and Swaggart (yeah, he's still around) is actually a net gain for God's people. They'll then be forced to decide if they're the wheat or chaff.

As an aside, when complimented on his designer ties, Osteen -- with all the humility of a Rock Star -- admitted he often gives them away as souvenirs to his "flock." THAT galled me.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-29   10:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: redleghunter, Vx? (#18)

Just think...the temple eunuchs you always talk about will need a second job to make the payments on the McMansion.

Heh...Oh, I mean, :-(

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-29   10:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Willie Green, A K A Stone, liberator, Don, BobCeleste, GarySpFc (#5)

The SCOTUS interprets our laws based on the Consitution, NOT the Christian Bible.

The SCOTUS does neither Willie.

If the SCOTUS followed the Constitution they would not even hear the 'gay marriage' issue.

Freedom to exercise one's religion IS in the Bill of Rights. Someone's preference to conduct unnatural sexual acts IS NOT in the Constitution.

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   10:54:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: misterwhite, VxH (#15)

Jefferson also was a slave owner and had one for his personal pleasure having children with her. Was he one of the religious and moral people to who Adam's was referring?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-04-29   10:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: redleghunter, BobCeleste (#16)

I am sure most are prepared to deal with this and from what I can tell most already operate as non-profit organizations.

Yup. From what I gather, operations and budgets are already pretty tight. No island vacations or Beemers in the parking lots from what I've seen. Too much scrutiny from all directions in these kinds of churches.

We already observed a few states deny Christian based adoption services based on state pro-sodomite laws. One being the emperor's 'home' state.

Perfectly acceptable in the neo-America: Pro-abortion, pro-queer adoption, pro-queer marriage states. BUT the denial of Christian-based adoption and coercion of Christian-based business.

As Satan's time grows shorter, things become MORE bizarre. And the weak succumb, compromise, or please their master.

Where's that "angry God" sermon again? :-)

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-29   11:02:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: misterwhite, liberator, CZ82, GarySpFc (#8)

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams

Had to show that quote again. Spot on.

Next step is for the homosexual lobby to define their proclivities as 'moral.'

Unattributed to a retired SGM...:

"When I joined the Army being gay was against regulations...Then it was ok as long as you did not talk about it...Then it was legal and lauded...I'm retiring before they make it mandatory!"

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   11:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: VxH (#9)

And every one of them is evidently in denial of the biological facts

Indeed that is a FACT.

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   11:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: VxH (#13)

for the last 3.6 billion years, simple cells (prokaryotes);

I think that was increased recently by a few billion years. But what's a few billion years of unobserved 'science.':)

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   11:07:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: redleghunter (#24)

"When I joined the Army being gay was against regulations...Then it was ok as long as you did not talk about it...Then it was legal and lauded...I'm retiring before they make it mandatory!"

It is funny but I recall the Pentagon had some study or a conference in the early Bush years where they considered the idea of an all-gay Marine Corps. Fewer problems with homesick soldiers wanting to rotate home for family time, fewer problems with soldiers picking up venereal disease from local women/prostitutes, etc.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-29   11:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: redleghunter (#21)

If the SCOTUS followed the Constitution they would not even hear the 'gay marriage' issue.

Freedom to exercise one's religion IS in the Bill of Rights. Someone's preference to conduct unnatural sexual acts IS NOT in the Constitution.

AMEN! And two more AMENS!

There is CLEAR deprivation and violations of Christians' 1st Amendment Rights. Bestiality is NOT covered by the Bill of Rights; Neither is Homosexuality (an immoral, criminal act during the Founders' time and for 200 years.) "Christians" who proceed as advocates these queer issues do so at their own peril.

A Tree and its Fruit
21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-29   11:13:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Willie Green, ALl (#5)

Nobody is forcing them to abandon their personal their personal beliefs.

But the government is forcing people to act against and violate their personal beliefs. This is intolerance with extreme prejudice. But that is typical of "progressives".

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-04-29   11:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: out damned spot (#0) (Edited)

We will not obey: Christian leaders threaten civil disobedience if Supreme Court legalizes gay marriage

I find no reason that anyone, religious or otherwise, should be compelled to contribute to, or perticipate in, glorification or false normalization of a system of serious psychopathology.

rlk  posted on  2015-04-29   11:17:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Liberator (#23)

Where's that "angry God" sermon again? :-)

Did I post one? I think I did a few months ago.

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   11:22:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: rlk (#30) (Edited)

I find no reason that anyone should be compelled to contribute to, or perticipate in, glorification or false normalization of a system of serious psychopathology.

No reason....other than gubmint sanctioned coercion, extortion, and blackmail TO be "compelled" to worship at the altar of homosexuality...OR ELSE.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-29   11:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: redleghunter (#31)

Yes...but it was only a month or two ago (I believe.) I have it bookmarked somewhere.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-29   11:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#6)

You're full of shit Willie.

Am I wearing black robes?
Do I look like a Supreme Court Justice to you?

Get a clue: nobody gives a flying spit what my opinion is on anything.
I guarantee... That's a FACT....
So save your whining & crying & griping for Roberts & Kennedy...
Those are the two who are probably gonna screw you by siding with the libtard side of the court on this issue.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm not gonna worry about it much...
So I'm just gonna kick back and munch on some popcorn and watch it happen.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-04-29   11:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: redleghunter (#24)

"When I joined the Army being gay was against regulations...Then it was ok as long as you did not talk about it...Then it was legal and lauded...I'm retiring before they make it mandatory!"

Har!

The post of the day!

rlk  posted on  2015-04-29   11:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: TooConservative (#27)

fewer problems with soldiers picking up venereal disease from local women/prostitutes, etc.

Yeah that would solve much...NOT! Whatever crackpot paid tax dollars for that 'study' missed the fact of HIV/AIDS.

I've seen the Army internal trends on STDs of Soldiers recently. Shows a decrease in 'external' contracting of STDs and an increase in internal contracted STDs. Meaning within units where there are males and females a host male or female is causing all the problems. Chlamydia ranks at the top of STDs at least amongst Soldiers. Docs said it was much worse in the 90s as more of the younger Soldiers are getting smarter on STD prevention. They are also getting smarter on avoiding the female soldier in the supply room in a mostly all male unit.

In and around even the most sleazy military 'gate towns' mayors and post commanders have helped clean up the strip clubs and other 'unofficial brothel' front stores. Local ordinances have pushed those places out of the city limits and some commanders have made certain locations off limits for health and welfare purposes.

When I reported to Fort Sill back in the late 80s the city of Lawton was a hole. Pawn shops, strip joints, massage parlors etc. All on the main road going into post. When I came back to Sill in '94 the massage parlors were all gone, the strip clubs were pushed into the hinter land at the county line, but the pawn shops were still there with a fresh coat of paint.

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   11:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Liberator (#17)

"In the interest of historical context, for Adams and his peers, "religious" meant "Christian."

According to ... you.

“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
-- John Adams

So he really meant, “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Christian.”

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-29   11:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: redleghunter, Liberator (#31)

Where's that "angry God" sermon again? :-)

Did I post one? I think I did a few months ago.

Damn, Ram, I thought that you can do this at the drop of a hat. Are you slowing down?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-04-29   12:08:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: redleghunter, TooConservative (#36)

All on the main road going into post. When I came back to Sill in '94 the massage parlors were all gone, the strip clubs were pushed into the hinter land at the county line, but the pawn shops were still there with a fresh coat of paint.

All that means is that the solidiers need more money because they have to travel further for their messages and poontang.

Hear tell that Roman Generals on occasion would pay for their troops' lady pleasures. Did they have STDs back then?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-04-29   12:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: SOSO (#38)

Are you slowing down?

Guess I missed my one cup of morning coffee today too:)

"The Lord shall preserve you from all evil; He shall preserve your soul.” (Psalm 121:7)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-29   12:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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