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Title: Let me ask all of you some questions:
Source: www.ChristianPatriot.com
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Published: Apr 22, 2015
Author: Pastor Bob Celeste ACP
Post Date: 2015-04-22 14:58:34 by BobCeleste
Keywords: ACP
Views: 15776
Comments: 102

Let me ask all of you some questions:

1. Do you think today’s preachers are smarter, as smart or not as Scripturally smart as Preachers in the 1770's?

2. Do you think today’s politicians are smarter, as smart, or not as smart Constitutionally as politicians in the 1770's and the first days of our Republic?

3. If Revolution were legal, acceptable and encourage by both the politicians of the colonies and the preachers of the colonies in the 1770's, why is it unacceptable, and discouraged by both the preachers and the politicians today?

4. If Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians revolting against the crown in the 1770's why is it today?

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2. Do you think today’s politicians are smarter, as smart, or not as smart Constitutionally as politicians in the 1770's and the first days of our Republic?

Politicians have had a facility to stand the Constitution on its head when it suited their purposes. It does not necessarily indicate whether they were smart or not. What politicians say, or do, does not necessarily indicate what they believe to be correct. They frequently say or do what is politically expedient.

Here is a progression of interpretation of State Sovereignty.

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Articles II and III of the Articles of Confederation provided,

II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.

III. The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretense whatever.

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Article VII of the Constitution provided,

The ratification of the conventions of nine states, shall be sufficient for the establishment of this Constitution between the states so ratifying the same.

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The 10th Amendment provided:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

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And some interesting interpretations from Lincoln to a European to Reagan. Who is smartest? I should think Reagan was the most accurate.

What is the particular sacredness of a State? I speak not of that position which is given to a State in and by the Constitution of the United States, for that all of us agree to—we abide by; but that position assumed, that a State can carry with it out of the Union that which it holds in sacredness by virtue of its connection with the Union. I am speaking of that assumed right of a State, as a primary principle, that the Constitution should rule all that is less than itself, and ruin all that is bigger than itself. But, I ask, wherein does consist that right? If a State, in one instance, and a county in another, should be equal in extent of territory, and equal in the number of people, wherein is that State any better than the county?

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The States have their status IN the Union, and they have no other legal status. If they break from this, they can only do so against law, and by revolution. The Union, and not themselves separately, procured their independence, and their liberty. By conquest, or purchase, the Union gave each of them, whatever of independence, and liberty, it has. The Union is older than any of the States; and, in fact, it created them as States.

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What is a confederation of states? By a confederacy, we mean a group of sovereign states which come together of their own free will and, in virtue of their sovereignty, create a collective entity. In doing so, they assign selective sovereign rights to the national body that will allow it to safeguard the existence of the joint union.

This theoretical definition does not apply in practice, at least not without some alterations, to any existing confederation of states in the world today. It applies the least to the American Union of States. Most of these individual states never possessed any sovereignty whatsoever. They were gradually brought into the framework of the union as a whole. Therefore. the various states of the American Union constitute, in most instances smaller or larger territories that were formed for technical administrative reasons and their borders were frequently drawn with a ruler. These states never possessed any previous sovereignty of their own because that would have been impossible. These states did not come together to create the Union, but it was the Union that created these so-called states. The extensive rights of independence that were relinquished, or rather rights that were granted, to the different territories are in harmony with the whole character of this confederation of states and with the vastness of its area and overall size which is almost as large as a continent. So, in referring to the states of the American Union, one cannot speak of their state soverignty, but only of their constitutionally guaranteed rights, which we could more accurately designate as privileges.

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All of us need to be reminded that the Federal Government did not create the States; the States created the Federal Government.

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#80. To: nolu chan (#13)

" All of us need to be reminded that the Federal Government did not create the States; the States created the Federal Government. "

Exactly !!!

Many Federal statist's would have you believe otherwise !!

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#91. To: Stoner (#80)

"All of us need to be reminded that the Federal Government did not create the States; the States created the Federal Government. "

Exactly !!!

That was Reagan. As I said, he was the most accurate. The first two quotes were Lincoln. The third, in agreement with Lincoln, was Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf.

For a good book on the framing and state sovereignty, see Republic of Republics, or American Federal Liberty, 4th Ed., 1881, by Bernard Janin Sage (originally pseudonyomous as P.C. Centz). Free download.

https://archive.org/details/republicrepubli00sagegoog

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