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POWERFUL: Charlie Kirk's final speech delivered in South Korea 9/6/25 2026 in Bible Prophecy 2.4 Billion exposed to excessive heat Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Let me ask all of you some questions: Source: www.ChristianPatriot.com URL Source: [None] Published: Apr 22, 2015 Author: Pastor Bob Celeste ACP Post Date: 2015-04-22 14:58:34 by BobCeleste Keywords: ACP Views: 16570 Comments: 102 Let me ask all of you some questions: 1. Do you think today’s preachers are smarter, as smart or not as Scripturally smart as Preachers in the 1770's? 2. Do you think today’s politicians are smarter, as smart, or not as smart Constitutionally as politicians in the 1770's and the first days of our Republic? 3. If Revolution were legal, acceptable and encourage by both the politicians of the colonies and the preachers of the colonies in the 1770's, why is it unacceptable, and discouraged by both the preachers and the politicians today? 4. If Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians revolting against the crown in the 1770's why is it today? Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 46. #14. To: BobCeleste (#0) 4. If Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians revolting against the crown in the 1770's why is it today? You won't get any straight answers to this one. Apparently, it was fine for the Founders to become traitorous rebels and depose the rule of their lawful king but it is unthinkable to dispose of some puny temporary mediocrity like the (generally loathsome) presidents of the last half-century. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-22   19:53:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: TooConservative (#14) You won't get any straight answers to this one. Apparently, it was fine for the Founders to become traitorous rebels and depose the rule of their lawful king but it is unthinkable to dispose of some puny temporary mediocrity like the (generally loathsome) presidents of the last half-century. Part of military strategy is the feasibility of military success. That is also a tenet of the just war theory. I'm sure our founders kept this in mind. Would our founders have declared independence from the crown if the colonies were as close as say Whales or Ireland? Probably not as they knew the history surely of crushed Irish rebellions. Declaring independence was bold and the DoI a bold document. However there was the possibility the crown would capitulate to some of the grievances and spare a cross Atlantic war. The colonies had interior lines. As long as they had local support they could stay fighting. As long as the will was there England would have to keep sending men and supplies constantly over a large body of water. The founders knew this and knew independence was high risk but quite feasible. Pastors knew this as well. They had congregations mixed with Tories and Patriots. They knew that the tenet of feasibility was there given for the same reasons above. Where the founders took most of the risk was with Acceptability. Most historians put support for independence at just over 30%, indifference and crown support gaining the majority view. They took risk in thinking they could garner the undecided or indifferent populace. Seemed to work out. Suitability was never a concern as the colonial legislatures voted for independence. redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-23   0:30:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: redleghunter (#24) Suitability was never a concern as the colonial legislatures voted for independence. Unfortunately, the colonial legislatures were only empowered to deal with minor issues of home rule. They never had the authority to vote themselves independence. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-23   6:06:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: TooConservative (#30) Unfortunately, the colonial legislatures were only empowered to deal with minor issues of home rule. They never had the authority to vote themselves independence. They did appoint representatives to the Continental Congress. Those representatives brought forth the ideals and policies of the various 'state' or chartered legislative bodies. I know you are pointing to the Reformed worldview as a catalyst for the independence spirit. That would be correct, but I object to the notion the American Revolution was some kind of Presbyterian 'jihad.' The DoI points to the Reformation. I agree. redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-23   10:57:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 46. #48. To: redleghunter (#46) That would be correct, but I object to the notion the American Revolution was some kind of Presbyterian 'jihad.' Object all you want. It's still true. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-23 11:01:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #58. To: redleghunter, TooConservative (#46) I know you are pointing to the Reformed worldview as a catalyst for the independence spirit. That would be correct, but I object to the notion the American Revolution was some kind of Presbyterian 'jihad.' The history TC dug up on the Presbyterian influence and catalyst of the Revolution has not been widely circulated....but sure is interesting and thought-provoking. Instead of a "Jihad," I'd consider it more of a "Mosaic Movement" that led to our own promised land. ;-) The goal of the Reformed Prots wasn't to convert and turn America into a theocracy, but more to unshackle what was fast appearing to be a growing tyranny... Good thing that's nothing to worry about now. Liberator  posted on  2015-04-23 12:56:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 46. 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