[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Rare Van Halen Leicestershire, Donnington Park August 18, 1984 Valerie Bertinelli Cameo

If you need a Good Opening for black, use this.

"Arrogant Hunter Biden has never been held accountable — until now"

How Republicans in Key Senate Races Are Flip-Flopping on Abortion

Idaho bar sparks fury for declaring June 'Heterosexual Awesomeness Month' and giving free beers and 15% discounts to straight men

Son of Buc-ee’s co-owner indicted for filming guests in the shower and having sex. He says the law makes it OK.

South Africa warns US could be liable for ICC prosecution for supporting Israel

Today I turned 50!

San Diego Police officer resigns after getting locked in the backseat with female detainee

Gazan Refugee Warns the World about Hamas

Iranian stabbed for sharing his faith, miraculously made it across the border without a passport!

Protest and Clashes outside Trump's Bronx Rally in Crotona Park

Netanyahu Issues Warning To US Leaders Over ICC Arrest Warrants: 'You're Next'

Will it ever end?

Did Pope Francis Just Call Jesus a Liar?

Climate: The Movie (The Cold Truth) Updated 4K version

There can never be peace on Earth for as long as Islamic Sharia exists

The Victims of Benny Hinn: 30 Years of Spiritual Deception.

Trump Is Planning to Send Kill Teams to Mexico to Take Out Cartel Leaders

The Great Falling Away in the Church is Here | Tim Dilena

How Ridiculous? Blade-Less Swiss Army Knife Debuts As Weapon Laws Tighten

Jewish students beaten with sticks at University of Amsterdam

Terrorists shut down Park Avenue.

Police begin arresting democrats outside Met Gala.

The minute the total solar eclipse appeared over US

Three Types Of People To Mark And Avoid In The Church Today

Are The 4 Horsemen Of The Apocalypse About To Appear?

France sends combat troops to Ukraine battlefront

Facts you may not have heard about Muslims in England.

George Washington University raises the Hamas flag. American Flag has been removed.

Alabama students chant Take A Shower to the Hamas terrorists on campus.

In Day of the Lord, 24 Church Elders with Crowns Join Jesus in His Throne

In Day of the Lord, 24 Church Elders with Crowns Join Jesus in His Throne

Deadly Saltwater and Deadly Fresh Water to Increase

Deadly Cancers to soon Become Thing of the Past?

Plague of deadly New Diseases Continues

[FULL VIDEO] Police release bodycam footage of Monroe County District Attorney Sandra Doorley traffi

Police clash with pro-Palestine protesters on Ohio State University campus

Joe Rogan Experience #2138 - Tucker Carlson

Police Dispersing Student Protesters at USC - Breaking News Coverage (College Protests)

What Passover Means For The New Testament Believer

Are We Closer Than Ever To The Next Pandemic?

War in Ukraine Turns on Russia

what happened during total solar eclipse

Israel Attacks Iran, Report Says - LIVE Breaking News Coverage

Earth is Scorched with Heat

Antiwar Activists Chant ‘Death to America’ at Event Featuring Chicago Alderman

Vibe Shift

A stream that makes the pleasant Rain sound.

Older Men - Keep One Foot In The Dark Ages


Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

United States News
See other United States News Articles

Title: Let me ask all of you some questions:
Source: www.ChristianPatriot.com
URL Source: [None]
Published: Apr 22, 2015
Author: Pastor Bob Celeste ACP
Post Date: 2015-04-22 14:58:34 by BobCeleste
Keywords: ACP
Views: 14122
Comments: 102

Let me ask all of you some questions:

1. Do you think today’s preachers are smarter, as smart or not as Scripturally smart as Preachers in the 1770's?

2. Do you think today’s politicians are smarter, as smart, or not as smart Constitutionally as politicians in the 1770's and the first days of our Republic?

3. If Revolution were legal, acceptable and encourage by both the politicians of the colonies and the preachers of the colonies in the 1770's, why is it unacceptable, and discouraged by both the preachers and the politicians today?

4. If Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians revolting against the crown in the 1770's why is it today?

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 14.

#14. To: BobCeleste (#0)

4. If Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians revolting against the crown in the 1770's why is it today?

You won't get any straight answers to this one.

Apparently, it was fine for the Founders to become traitorous rebels and depose the rule of their lawful king but it is unthinkable to dispose of some puny temporary mediocrity like the (generally loathsome) presidents of the last half-century.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-22   19:53:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 14.

#16. To: TooConservative, BobCeleste, redleghunter (#14) (Edited)

Apparently, it was fine for the Founders to become traitorous rebels and depose the rule of their lawful king but it is unthinkable to dispose of some puny temporary mediocrity like the (generally loathsome) presidents of the last half-century.

For the American revolution, the issue was always representation. Apparently a ruler can be horrible as long as he taxes you via your elected representatives. With that said, redleghunter's response is pretty much defensible from a both a secular and religious (civilizational Christian) point of view of a just war.

Also, they were Protestant heathens - to quote the Godfather "They're animals anyway, so let them lose their souls". :)

Pericles  posted on  2015-04-22 20:33:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TooConservative (#14)

You won't get any straight answers to this one.

Apparently, it was fine for the Founders to become traitorous rebels and depose the rule of their lawful king but it is unthinkable to dispose of some puny temporary mediocrity like the (generally loathsome) presidents of the last half-century.

Part of military strategy is the feasibility of military success.

That is also a tenet of the just war theory. I'm sure our founders kept this in mind.

Would our founders have declared independence from the crown if the colonies were as close as say Whales or Ireland? Probably not as they knew the history surely of crushed Irish rebellions.

Declaring independence was bold and the DoI a bold document. However there was the possibility the crown would capitulate to some of the grievances and spare a cross Atlantic war. The colonies had interior lines. As long as they had local support they could stay fighting. As long as the will was there England would have to keep sending men and supplies constantly over a large body of water. The founders knew this and knew independence was high risk but quite feasible.

Pastors knew this as well. They had congregations mixed with Tories and Patriots. They knew that the tenet of feasibility was there given for the same reasons above.

Where the founders took most of the risk was with Acceptability. Most historians put support for independence at just over 30%, indifference and crown support gaining the majority view. They took risk in thinking they could garner the undecided or indifferent populace. Seemed to work out.

Suitability was never a concern as the colonial legislatures voted for independence.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-23 00:30:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: TooConservative (#14)

You won't get any straight answers to this one.

Apparently, it was fine for the Founders to become traitorous rebels and depose the rule of their lawful king but it is unthinkable to dispose of some puny temporary mediocrity like the (generally loathsome) presidents of the last half-century.

I'm afraid that I am starting to agree with you.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-04-23 07:36:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: TooConservative (#14)

4. If Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians revolting against the crown in the 1770's why is it today? You won't get any straight answers to this one.

Apparently, it was fine for the Founders to become traitorous rebels and depose the rule of their lawful king but it is unthinkable to dispose of some puny temporary mediocrity like the (generally loathsome) presidents of the last half-century.

Well, Too, you know that if I give an answer, it will be very straight. You can probably write it yourself for me.

Taking the question as phrased "IF Romans chapter 13 was not a problem to Christians..."

The answer is that it should have been a problem for them, but it should only have been a very minor problem. Paul is not God. But what Jesus had to say about doing unto others, turning the other cheek, paying taxes and not killing, and what YHWH and the Elohiym had to say about not killing, should have all come together to have presented a great big showstopping problem to the Christians of the 1770s.

Having proceeded out onto the very thin ice of "Here are too swords!", they then fell through that ice when they didn't "Do unto others as they would have done unto them" by freeing their slaves.

The American Revolution is morally indefensible, and most of those who killed in its name ended up in Gehenna on account of it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-23 08:20:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


End Trace Mode for Comment # 14.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com