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Title: FBI clears Tulsa sheriff’s office in Eric Harris fatal shooting after gun mixup: sheriff
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NY Daily News
URL Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat ... ris-shooting-article-1.2191645
Published: Apr 20, 2015
Author: SASHA GOLDSTEIN
Post Date: 2015-04-20 16:53:45 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 4056
Comments: 24
The FBI cleared an Oklahoma sheriff’s deputy of violating a suspect’s civil rights in the case of a Tulsa County reserve deputy fatally shooting an unarmed man after the volunteer grabbed his revolver instead of his stun gun, the sheriff said Monday. But it remains unclear if 73-year-old Robert Bates was qualified to use the gun he fired April 2, killing 44-year-old Eric Harris, said Sheriff Stanley Glanz. Bates, a wealthy insurance executive who has known Glanz for 25 years on both a professional and personal level, faces a second-degree manslaughter charge for accidentally killing Harris during a gun-and-drug buy sting. A report by the Tulsa World found that supervisors falsified training records for Bates, a deep-pocketed donor who has supplied the department with cars and electronic equipment during his seven years as a volunteer reserve deputy. Click HERE for the rest of the story.
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#1. To: Gatlin (#0)
Let the whitewashing begin. "Oh, I shot him. I'm sorry."
"Begin?" It just finished.
He still faces the (admittedly minor) second-degree manslaughter charges.
He should hang for that. My definition of manslaughter is a "reckless act that causes death". His conduct fits to a T. I'd like to see grampa hang for what he did, but I'd settle for life in prison (won't cost much, he's old)
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
"Oh, I shot him. I'm sorry." Well, he really fucked up there - he should have sobbed "I was in fear for my life". Seems to work in all the other cases like this.
In his state, the most he can get is a couple of years in jail or prison. I'll be surprised if he gets any prison time. The local cops, embarrassed at letting him carry weapons he didn't have training for, will be shielded by the local prosecutors. There is the matter of the police supervisors who faced repercussions when they refused to certify this rich nutjob for training he did not complete so there could be some lawsuits from that as well, given the attention this case has received. Obviously, the supervisors who refused to give him certification have been vindicated by subsequent events. Hopefully, their careers didn't suffer from having integrity and being responsible, regardless of political pressure.
Looks like the department will have to get it's funding the old fashioned way by shaking down the citizens on flimsy premises.
Yep. Apparently, he got this special treatment as a reserve for buying the local PD a bunch of equipment. At least two police cars, some radio equipment, etc. You think those will look like such a bargain by the time they pay off the lawsuit? I have to wonder how much the PD's liability insurance costs will rise as a result. That's something the public rarely sees any reporting on. But someone is paying off those lawsuits, almost always by liability insurance. And insurance costs go up when they have to make a payoff.
The solution to that is to require the police officers to carry individual malpractice insurance, so to speak, just like doctors. Might make some of these yahoos think twice about shooting someone innocent.
Well, now you're singing my tune. I've posted the same on the topic of police malpractice insurance or bonding for years.
It's not the officers fault... lability starts and stops with the chief or sheriff. He signs the policies.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Might make some of these yahoos think twice about shooting someone innocent. This 73 year old grandpa will still face a multimillion dollar CIVIL lawsuit where the department won't help him a bit... especially if he's convicted of the criminal charge. The department will distance themselves from him. He should be hung for what he did
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Thanks, I did not know this.
Kinda hard to articulate that on the stand. At 73, he had no right working a detail like that. He even dropped his revolver after he shot him. What a tool.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Yes, you have....I remember that.
According to the article, the geezer has "deep pockets". He can afford to dole out a few million in a lawsuit. However in cases where the individual police officers are not as well off, the department, the city and ultimately the taxpayers end up footing the tab. It makes sense to me that what should happen is that each individual officer have his own malpractice insurance.
Then the family might be happy trading a crackhead for a few million.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
No. I take him at his word that he thought he was firing his Taser. Therefore, he had no premeditated lethal intent. I would have gone with first-degree manslaughter but there may be reasons why the prosecutor didn't, either to CYA for the local cops or the state's criminal statutes wouldn't support it.
I personally don't care if there was no intent. His incompetence cause a life. He should hang.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
It's a blast from the past, in the best tradition of accidental shootings. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
People with the money aren't tried.
We're not really going to argue intent in homicide cases, are we? I had a nice supper and I want to digest in peace.
Enjoy your meal. I'm just a little more ruthless when it comes to sentencing... especially when it's a cop.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Cop Who Shot at Dog and Missed, Killing Mother Instead Will Not Be Charged
#2. To: TooConservative (#1)
Let the whitewashing begin.
FBI clears...
#3. To: Gatlin (#2)
#4. To: TooConservative (#3)
He still faces the (admittedly minor) second-degree manslaughter charges.
#5. To: TooConservative, Gatlin, GrandIsland (#1)
Let the whitewashing begin.
#6. To: GrandIsland (#4)
He should hang for that. My definition of manslaughter is a "reckless act that causes death". His conduct fits to a T.
#7. To: Gatlin (#0)
A report by the Tulsa World found that supervisors falsified training records for Bates, a deep-pocketed donor who has supplied the department with cars and electronic equipment during his seven years as a volunteer reserve deputy.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#8. To: Orwellian Nightmare (#5)
Well, he really fucked up there - he should have sobbed "I was in fear for my life".
#9. To: TooConservative (#8)
I have to wonder how much the PD's liability insurance costs will rise as a result. That's something the public rarely sees any reporting on. But someone is paying off those lawsuits, almost always by liability insurance. And insurance costs go up when they have to make a payoff.
#10. To: Orwellian Nightmare (#9)
The solution to that is to require the police officers to carry individual malpractice insurance, so to speak, just like doctors.
#11. To: TooConservative (#6)
The local cops, embarrassed at letting him carry weapons he didn't have training for, will be shielded by the local prosecutors.
#12. To: Orwellian Nightmare (#9)
The solution to that is to require the police officers to carry individual malpractice insurance, so to speak, just like doctors.
#13. To: TooConservative (#3)
He still faces the (admittedly minor) second-degree manslaughter charges.
#14. To: Orwellian Nightmare (#5)
Well, he really fucked up there - he should have sobbed "I was in fear for my life".
#15. To: TooConservative (#10)
I've posted the same on the topic of police malpractice insurance or bonding for years.
#16. To: GrandIsland, TooConservative (#12)
This 73 year old grandpa will still face a multimillion dollar CIVIL lawsuit where the department won't help him a bit... especially if he's convicted of the criminal charge. The department will distance themselves from him.
#17. To: Orwellian Nightmare (#16)
According to the article, the geezer has "deep pockets". He can afford to dole out a few million in a lawsuit.
#18. To: GrandIsland (#12)
He should be hung for what he did
#19. To: TooConservative (#18)
No. I take him at his word that he thought he was firing his Taser. Therefore, he had no premeditated lethal intent.
#20. To: TooConservative, All (#1)
"Oh, I shot him. I'm sorry."
#21. To: TooConservative (#18)
#22. To: GrandIsland (#19)
I personally don't care if there was no intent. His incompetence cause a life. He should hang.
#23. To: TooConservative (#22)
#24. To: GrandIsland, TooConservative, Orwellian Nightmare, Gatlin (#19)
I personally don't care if there was no intent. His incompetence cause a life. He should hang.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
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