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Title: St. Louis Police Just Shot Man Who Was Talking About ‘Revolution’
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Counter Current News
URL Source: http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/ ... -was-talking-about-revolution/
Published: Apr 19, 2015
Author: Counter Current News
Post Date: 2015-04-19 17:55:20 by Deckard
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Views: 4165
Comments: 34
Another African American man has been shot and killed by Missouri police officers even though he was not attacking anyone, and had no firearm of any kind. This happened in the midst of ongoing protests all over the nation, and especially in Ferguson and St. Louis, regarding police shootings of African American men. This case has already been justified by the police who said that Thaddeus McCarroll, 23, “had a knife.” But McCarroll was locked in his mother’s house, and he was no threat to officers. Instead, his mother called the police when she said her son had been “talking about revolution” and locked himself in the house. Instead of showing up and getting him help, officers in the St. Louis suburb shot and killed him. McCarroll’s mother said she called the police to “help”. She was concerned about her son, but she never thought police would show up and kill him, reports from the scene stated. She added that she had explained the situation to the officers who arrived, but instead of bringing in specialists who could deal with potential issues that McCarroll might have been facing, within minutes they surrounded the house and escalated things. When McCarroll emerged from the house, he was seen with a Bible and a knife. Police wasted no time opening fire on him, even though he had not attacked anyone, nor issued any threats. It is quite possible that he was in a state of distress and was suicidal. The fact that he had not threatened anyone would seem to indicate that even further. The St. Louis County police department says that they have already placed the officers who opened fire on McCarroll on paid administrative leave. They tell us that they are “investigating the incident.” St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar stated that, “This is another tragic situation where police officers had no other option but to use deadly force against an armed subject.” Meanwhile, the St. Louis police are leaning heavily on the statement from McCarroll’s mother that he had recently “spoken about revolution.” Can you see where they’re going with this yet?
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
When are people going to learn that calling the cops often results in your loved ones getting killed?
This was no quick, undocumented incident. His mommy called the police, told them that he was acting strange, and was armed with several knives and a Samurai sword. She stated she wanted him out of her house... He refused to leave for responding units. They surrounded the house and he stayed in the house, being seen often with the sword in front of the windows. After quite some time, a negotiator arrived and after several hours of every Ferguson zoo animal recording the incident with their free O'bunghole phones, he finally exited the house armed with a knife. Repeated commends to drop the knife were ignored while the armed zoo animal walked closer to officers. He was shot with a non-lethal round (to get him to drop the knife)... and that had the opposite effect. The armed zoo animal then rushed towards the officer that shot him with the non lethal round, still holding the knife... and he was shot several times by two officers that he ran toward. All well documented. All the choices were the zoo animals.
Isn't this where officers are supposed to use the Taser? They should have made the attempt before firearms were used. Cops are too Taser-happy these days but I have no objections if they tase anyone holding a weapon. By the time they told him twice to drop the knife, they should have tased him. And he would be in custody now, not a casket.
Actually, the training block that I went through suggested that officers not tase knife holders... for fear they will fall on the weapon and the family will sue as the cause of death. I was trained in taser around 2011. My department was one of the last departments to buy them due to budget restrictions. Them suckers are 3 times the cost of a Glock. Page 5 of the taser PDF Manuel specially lists not taking people holding edged weapons.
You've gotta be kidding. How often does that happen in real life? OTOH, if you use that as an excuse not to tase, you're going to shoot and they'll end up dead or seriously wounded anyway and lawsuits will be pretty likely. That policy makes no sense to me from any angle.
Here's the problem. If I'm trained not to tase an edged weapon holder, and I do, and they fall to the ground on the knife and die, it's a slam dunk EASY lawsuit against me... and the department is gonna leave me swinging and say I was trained otherwise. If I just wait until the edge weapon holder gets close enough to be a threat and I ventilate his chest with my Glock... I'm relatively safe from lawsuit and my department will have to stand behind me because I followed the correct use of force continuum... by the book and per policy. I tried telling you all as far back as LP that all the things you dislike about what police have evolved to is based on LIABILTY LAWSUITS. Large settlements have caused a widespread change in our society today.
A PD can choose its own policy and training. City councils can weigh in on policy review as well. And if you're already trained to use handguns, Tasers, rifles and machine guns, then it is only a matter of emphasizing more use of a Taser. It seems from the accounts I've seen that at least a half-dozen cops were very close to the suspect. At least two should have been trying to tase this guy. Let me just say that very few people will agree that cops should ever escalate from a single rubber bullet to 30 rounds shot from a machine gun against some druggy and/or religious lunatic, even if he has a knife. If you have time to tell him to drop the knife a couple of times and have the time to fire off a rubber bullet and several more seconds before unloading a 30-round magazine with a machine gun, then you have time to tase him. You seem to take machine-gunning a civilian with only a knife very casually. How often did your own PD machine-gun any civilians? Is this really that common? It's a little shocking to see a civilian machine-gunned like that.
They can write their own policy... but Taser itself does not recommend use on a edged weapon holder... no department will rewrite that.
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#2. To: TooConservative (#1)
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When are people going to learn that calling the cops often results in your loved ones getting killed?
#3. To: GrandIsland (#2)
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Repeated commends to drop the knife were ignored while the armed zoo animal walked closer to officers. He was shot with a non-lethal round (to get him to drop the knife)... and that had the opposite effect. The armed zoo animal then rushed towards the officer that shot him with the non lethal round, still holding the knife... and he was shot several times by two officers that he ran toward.
#9. To: TooConservative (#3)
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#11. To: GrandIsland (#9)
Actually, the training block that I went through suggested that officers not tase knife holders... for fear they will fall on the weapon and the family will sue as the cause of death.
#12. To: TooConservative (#11)
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OTOH, if you use that as an excuse not to tase, you're going to shoot and they'll end up dead or seriously wounded anyway and lawsuits will be pretty likely.
#14. To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#12)
Here's the problem. If I'm trained not to tase an edged weapon holder, and I do, and they fall to the ground on the knife and die, it's a slam dunk EASY lawsuit against me... and the department is gonna leave me swinging and say I was trained otherwise. If I just wait until the edge weapon holder gets close enough to be a threat and I ventilate his chest with my Glock... I'm relatively safe from lawsuit and my department will have to stand behind me because I followed the correct use of force continuum... by the book and per policy.
#17. To: TooConservative (#14)
A PD can choose its own policy and training. City councils can weigh in on policy review as well.
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