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Title: I RECANT.
Source: Chuck Baldwin / Facebook
URL Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink. ... 69863063938&id=226997970644468
Published: Apr 5, 2015
Author: Chuck Baldwin
Post Date: 2015-04-15 02:15:42 by Hondo68
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Views: 58649
Comments: 178

I'm using this Facebook post to make a couple of personal confessions.

In one way or another, we are all victims of our past. I was schooled in certain persuasions that have taken 3/4 of a lifetime to overcome. But when I made a conscious decision to pursue and follow truth--no matter where it led me--many years ago, my mind and heart have been liberated with the illumination of truth time and time again. I personally believe that only people who, in their hearts, are sincerely open to truth will ever find it.

I will not make these issues a test of fellowship with those who disagree with me (although, I'm sure many of them will). I, myself, believed differently for all of my adult life. And these conclusions have not been made overnight. It has taken years of study and research to bring me to the conclusions I am sharing with you in this post.

Obviously, this forum will not allow me to go into detail about the conclusions I'm going to share. That must be reserved for another day and another forum. But, for the sake of the folks--especially those Christian folks--who follow my work, I believe I need to be honest and straightforward regarding these conclusions.

So, here we go:

1. I recant the dogmatism of a belief in a pre-millennial rapture.

That doesn't mean that I DON'T believe in a Rapture. It just means that I am no longer dogmatic about it; and neither do I think that it matters to a tinker's dam regarding my personal duty to God. The Lord is going to fulfill His divine will regarding prophetic events in His time. Quite frankly, I am convinced that, for the most part, it is not for us to know the things God has reserved unto Himself. (Acts 1:6, 7)

For too long, many of our pre-millennial friends have been using a belief in the Rapture as an excuse to sit back on their blessed assurance and do nothing. Even if the doctrine is true, the way it is being used as an excuse to not engage the liberty fight is downright shameful.

2. I recant the position that the modern state of Israel is the same as the prophetic Israel of the Bible.

The nation of Israel rejected their Messiah and God destroyed their nation, their capital city, and their temple in 70 AD. Spiritually, the children of Israel have been in a state of blindness ever since. With the advent of the New Testament Church, we are NOT Jews or Gentiles, Greeks or Barbarians, etc.: we are all ONE IN CHRIST. God's people today are the blood-washed saints of all races, ethnicities, nationalities, etc. Again, we are ONE IN CHRIST.

Accordingly, I am convinced that the modern state of Israel is NOT the prophetic fulfillment of the future redeemed nation of Israel. NOT IN ANY SHAPE, MANNER, OR FORM. I further conclude that the misapplication of applying prophetic scriptures to the modern state of Israel is producing nothing but perpetual war, the demise of liberty at home, the rise of a Police State, and the facilitation of a devilish New World Order.

So, there you have it. I RECANT.


Poster Comment:

I wonder if he's getting ready to run for president again?

I voted for him when Ron Paul endorsed him in '08, and I just might again in '16.

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#79. To: misterwhite (#59) (Edited)

But when the federal government forces banks --

Horse manure.

The leading sub-prime originator in the country at one time was Ameriquest/Argent morgtage, and Ameriquest was NOT a bank. In fact their products didn't even qualify for Freddy/Fannie coverage.

Nothing forced the systemically corrupt vampira on Wall Street and elsewhere into buying "revolutionary" securitized a$$paper - nothing other than their own greed.

Furthermore there are numerous local banks and credit unions who NEVER entered the sub-prime market, and didn't require bailing out.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-16   19:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: misterwhite (#59)
(Edited)

GeeOpie, I wonder if the RINOcrats would like to recant selling the Ambassadorship to the Netherlands to the Godfather of Subprime?.   


"Oops"
 

VxH  posted on  2015-04-16   19:58:11 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: misterwhite (#59)

it's nose out of the financial sector to begin with.

Whose nose was in what when Glass-stegall was defanged?

"FRAUD - You probably think there should be rules against it, I think the market will figure it out" --Alan Greenspan to Brooksley Born

Even Greenspan admits he had his head in his arse.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-16   20:29:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: VxH (#81)

"Whose nose was in what when Glass-stegall was defanged?"

I see. You're saying it was actually the repeal of the Glass–Steagall Act that caused the financial crisis -- ten years later.

So I guess Congress learned their lesson and restored Glass-Steagall, right?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-17   10:14:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: misterwhite (#82) (Edited)

You're saying it was actually the repeal of the Glass–Steagall Act that caused the financial crisis -- ten years later.

"Greenspan Urges Glass-Steagall Repeal

WASHINGTON, Nov. 19 — Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan urged Congress on Wednesday to strike down barriers that have kept bank holding companies out of the securities underwriting business."

www.americanbanker.com/17...all-repeal-1044317-1.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-warning-brooksley-borns-battle-with-alan-greenspan-robert-rubin-and-larry-summers-2009-10

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/


Greenspan RECANTS!

Congress?  LOL.  Congress is pwned. It couldn't find its own arse with both hands and a SQL statement telling them exactly where to find it.

 
Did Congress force AIG to "insure" the whole CRIMINAL cluster fracked Ponzi scheme? No. The hedge funded suuuuuper geniuses did that all by themselves.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-17   10:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: VxH (#81)

"Even Greenspan admits he had his head in his arse."

He was referring to federal regulation of the derivatives market.

The problem is not derivatives. The problem is what the derivative is derived from.

When the derivative is sub-prime mortgage-backed securities and the sub- prime mortgage is a worthless piece of paper (due to federal government interference), the derivative is worthless.

Keep in mind that it was a government institution, Fannie Mae, that rated these mortgage backed securities and said they were solid. They lied.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-17   10:50:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: VxH (#83)

So I guess Congress learned their lesson and restored Glass-Steagall, right?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-17   10:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: VxH (#79)

"Nothing forced the systemically corrupt vampira on Wall Street and elsewhere into buying "revolutionary" securitized a$$paper - nothing other than their own greed."

And who told the investors these sub-prime mortgage-backed securities were solid?

Fannie Mae. AKA, the Federal National Mortgage Association. A government-sponsored enterprise.

As I said, had the federal government not stuck it's nose into the financial sector to begin with, the banks and other financial institutions would have been just fine.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-17   11:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: redleghunter, Deckard (#33)

....fallen angels posing as aliens, telling the world that they created humans and have returned to save us....

I never watched the X-Files...but was that the premise of the show?

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   11:42:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Pericles (#35)

That is actually the majority/consensus eastern Orthodox position as well...

....It is his conclusion that classical demonic possession, known to the Orthodox Church for centuries, accounts for the alien abductions that we see in modern times....

Interesting...

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   11:44:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: hondo68 (#43)

No relation to the Israel of the Bible.

No....not EVERY little detail (like Israel defending itself against rabid Muzzie Death Cultists) is mentioned in the Bible.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   11:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: redleghunter, Deckard, Bob Celeste, Stoner, A K A Stone, Vicomte13, CZ82, TooConservative (#34)

(link) Pope Francis says he would baptise aliens: 'Who are we to close doors?'

Seems to fit:)

"Who?" indeed. This statement from this Pope fits like an asbestos glove :-)

If two of the past three Popes were willing to kiss the Koran, then NOTHING should be surprising from the Vatican. It's been an embarrassment now for too long.

(from Red's link):

Speaking at the British Science Festival in 2010, one of then-Pope Benedict XVI’s astronomers said he would baptise an alien “if they asked”. While he accepted that the chances of ever getting such an opportunity were slim, Guy Consolmagno said: “Any entity – no matter how many tentacles it has – has a soul.”

Firstly....who knew the Vatican has a staff of astronomers? WHY??

Secondly, Pope Benedict and now Francis are ready to baptize ETs..."no matter how many tentacles"?? Very odd statement.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   12:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Liberator (#90)

The Pope has to be up to date on scientific theory.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-17   13:30:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Vicomte13 (#91)

The Pope has to be up to date on scientific theory.

Am I to understand this is your theory for the reason for the Vatican's astronomers?

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   13:37:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: misterwhite (#86)

And who told the investors these sub-prime mortgage-backed securities were solid?

None of Ameriquest/Argent mortgage's a$$paper ever qualified for underwriting by Freddy/Fannie.

Got any more straw?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-17   14:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Liberator (#92)

Am I to understand this is your theory for the reason for the Vatican's astronomers?

It's not a theory.

Modern astronomy began with the Church (Copernicus, Galileo), and to this day much of the grunt work of recording the transits of planets across the Sun is done worldwide by the Jesuits.

Pope Leo XIII, speaking in 1891 of the purpose of the Vatican Observatory: “…that everyone might see clearly that the Church and her Pastors are not opposed to true and solid science, whether human or divine, but that they embrace it, encourage it, and promote it with the fullest possible devotion.”

Modern science originally came out of the Catholic universities. Philosophically, the Catholic Church is pro-science because of the belief in a universe rationally ordered by God.

Think of all of the universities just in the USA that are Catholic: Notre Dame, Georgetown, Boston College, Loyola, St. John's, Marquette. Overseas, the Sorbonne has been nationalized in France, but Louvain and La Sapienza are still Catholic. All told, there are 1358 Catholic universities around the world.

(There are a total of 2474 4-year colleges of all types in the USA; 197 of them are Catholic.)

The Catholic Church is the most widespread educational institution on the planet, with more primary and secondary educational systems in more countries than any other. And remember: the Pope is the head of all of that. He needs to know what is going on in the scientific world.

Heliocentrism originated from a Catholic monk, Copernicus, was confirmed by the observations of a Catholic university professor, Galileo.

Modern scientific theory was derived by a devout French Catholic: Descartes, with deeper math theory expounded by a devout visionary, Paschal. Pasteur gave us germ theory, and the monk Mendel gave us genetic theory. Bacon, the medieval who prefigured the scientific method, was a Catholic monk. So was the famous William of Ockham, author of "Occam's Razor" (he was a Franciscan).

Avogadro (of the famous number) and Bequerel, Volta (inventor of the battery) and Vesalius (founder of anatomy); Lavoisier (creator of chemistry), Lamarck (whom Darwin challenged), Fermat and Galvani with his frog legs. And so on.

The Catholic Church has always been scientific in its focus. Catholics believe that the Natural Law is God's law, and that God's laws are rational. Therefore, Catholics have always expected to find rational order in the universe, and have always intuited that, if they looked hard enough, they would find it.

This is one of the distinctive features of Catholic philosophy that is different - radically different - from many of the Protestant philosophies.

It's the reason why Catholics are untroubled by the theory of evolution, and teach it in Catholic schools. It's the best science (as produced through the method), at the time. Obviously Catholics believe that God is the source of all natural law.

The Church has always been interested in the sciences, and needs to be, because science and religion are fundamentally intertwined, and the Pope needs to be kept up to date on developments.

That's why the Pope has an astronomer.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-17   14:45:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: misterwhite (#85)

So I guess Congress learned their lesson and restored Glass-Steagall, right?

What part of "congress is now pwned" by organized criminals are you having trouble comprehending?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-17   14:47:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: misterwhite (#84)

Keep in mind that it was a government institution, Fannie Mae, that rated these mortgage backed securities and said they were solid. They lied.

GeeOpie, you keep trying to pull that opinion out of your arse as if it were fact.

It's not fact. The FACT is that the one-time leader of sub-prime origination AMERIQUEST/ARGENT Mortgage, NEVER produced products that qualified for Freddy/fannie underwriting.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-17   14:50:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: misterwhite (#84) (Edited)

He was referring to federal regulation of the derivatives market.

And the housing market.

Housing never goes down, right? That's the essence of what he said - and what he admitted he was wrong about.

The gaming of housing prices and the gaming of the derivatives market cannot be separated, they are sewage in the same systemically corrupt sewer pipe.

The same is true about congress and the vermin who've corrupted it to facilitate their kleptocracy.

"Lender Lobbying Blitz Abetted Mortgage Mess Ameriquest Pressed For Changes in Laws; A Battle in New Jersey"
www.wsj.com/articles/SB119906606162358773

VxH  posted on  2015-04-17   15:00:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: VxH (#97)

"Housing never goes down, right? That's the essence of what he said - and what he admitted he was wrong about."

He said that, historically, housing never went down.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-04-17   15:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Liberator (#87)

It was every CT theory rolled up in a giant alien motif. Everything going wrong in the world had some alien influence.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-17   15:53:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Liberator (#92)

Am I to understand this is your theory for the reason for the Vatican's astronomers?

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-17   15:59:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Vicomte13 (#94)

Pope Leo XIII, speaking in 1891 of the purpose of the Vatican Observatory: “…that everyone might see clearly that the Church and her Pastors are not opposed to true and solid science, whether human or divine, but that they embrace it, encourage it, and promote it with the fullest possible devotion.”

Modern science originally came out of the Catholic universities. Philosophically, the Catholic Church is pro-science because of the belief in a universe rationally ordered by God.

Think of all of the universities just in the USA that are Catholic...

I can accept your scientific knowledge explanation fully.....and it made sense. IN THE PAST. Back when the Vatican was as active, powerful and rich a force on the planet. In that sense, astronomy as one more scientific subject to be studied behooved the Vatican and Catholic Universities...

But does it make any sense in the last half century or so? How is the Vatican with its staff of astronomers really supposed to make more discoveries than NASA or any international space programs and modern equipment?

If the Pope needs updating on the discovery new planets, I'm sure the world's scientific community can update him. At this point it's just a hobby. And btw -- what "developments" would be so crucial in the field of astronomy that any Pope needs to be "updated"? "Alien" life??

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   16:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Vicomte13, liberator, SOSO (#94)

Notre Dame, Georgetown, Boston College, Loyola, St. John's, Marquette

Of course you left out two of the better Catholic universities in your list:)

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-17   16:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: redleghunter (#99)

It [The X-Files] was every CT theory rolled up in a giant alien motif. Everything going wrong in the world had some alien influence.

Too CT. Even for me.

Now if the show featured demons, alien "people" who are reptiles, ghost riders in the sky, witches, and zombies, THEN we have a realistic CT.

;-)

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   16:21:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13, SOSO (#102)

Georgetown?? Is it still "Catholic"? Even though for President ZERO's visit they inexplicably covered up “IHS”-- symbolizing the name of Jesus Christ?

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   16:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Vicomte13 (#94)

This is one of the distinctive features of Catholic philosophy that is different - radically different - from many of the Protestant philosophies.

Not really. Protestant philosophers were/are quite steeped in knowing the universe as a creation of God is ordered.

You can see it in the Reformation art.

Also, Decartes may have been baptized Catholic but he was more an Enlightenment philosopher. Too much into the rationalism of the time. Those who followed Decartes ended up being the modern atheists or at least deists.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-17   16:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: redleghunter, CZ82 (#100)

HA! Great scene, great flick! It was all quite believable (until they jumped the shark when a mothballed WWII Battleship and their 90 year old skeleton crew evaded then took out the Alien Ship.)

:-(

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   16:29:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Liberator (#103)

alien "people" who are reptiles

My favorite are the 'shape shifting' reptiles:)

When my boys were young I made up bedtime stories of farm animals who were trained in Kung-fu who fight off an alien invasion of shape shifting aliens.

Should have wrote down those stories...could have sold them:)

The Kung-fu Cow (really a bull) would toss flaming cow patties as his attack weapon.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-17   16:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Liberator (#101)

And btw -- what "developments" would be so crucial in the field of astronomy that any Pope needs to be "updated"? "Alien" life??

Maybe, if the Pope takes some of Revelation literally, he will be looking for this:

Revelation 9

9 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.

3 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6 In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.

7 The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men. 8 They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9 And they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running into battle. 10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months. 11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

12 One woe is past. Behold, still two more woes are coming after these things.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-17   16:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#105)

Protestant philosophers were/are quite steeped in knowing the universe as a creation of God is ordered. You can see it in the Reformation art.

Let's also not forget that to anything BUT "Catholic" before Luther was verboten. So it could well be said the Protestant-ism facilitated the Enlightenment and all of the strides in the arts as well as sciences.

Decartes may have been baptized Catholic but he was more an Enlightenment philosopher. Too much into the rationalism of the time. Those who followed Decartes ended up being the modern atheists or at least deists.

Yup. The "can 'o worms" that was the Reformation liberated Descartes and the modern Atheist/Deist movement to not only reject Catholicism, but also Protestantism, and ultimately any word of God at the far end of the "Free Will" spectrum.

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   16:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: redleghunter (#107)

My favorite are the 'shape shifting' reptiles:)

Is that when the beautiful lady morphs into her "real" self?: An ugly alien reptile? (How disappointing that is ;-)

When my boys were young I made up bedtime stories of farm animals who were trained in Kung-fu who fight off an alien invasion of shape shifting aliens.

Should have wrote down those stories...could have sold them:)

Man...that is hilarious! Too bad you didn't record those tales...

The Kung-fu Cow (really a bull) would toss flaming cow patties as his attack weapon.

I'm stealing that. For MY book. LOL

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   16:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Liberator, Vicomte13, SOSO (#104)

Georgetown?? Is it still "Catholic"? Even though for President ZERO's visit they inexplicably covered up “IHS”-- symbolizing the name of Jesus Christ?

The Catholics over at TOS opine that Catholic universities are not really under a bishop or cardinal etc. That's their answer. It is just an excuse IMO like some Protestant universities which are religious in name only.

Georgetown stopped being "Catholic" long before I was college age. One of the reasons my uncle convinced me to avoid going there and instead look at few other 'Catholic' universities like Stubenville, Fairfield and Fordham. I went to Fordham and it was Catholic enough for the times (80s) but had a slant towards Marxist professors on the one hand and some old Jesuits who were very conservative in dogma and morals. Yet Fordham even in the mid to late 80s had a homosexual alliance club which the university funded like all other clubs.

This was a first hint that the University was not not fully adhering to Catholic doctrine. So in my uncle's most astute observation, Georgetown was gone and I reported back to him Fordham was getting there. Given the alumni newsletters I get Fordham has gone the way of Georgetown.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-17   16:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: redleghunter (#108)

Maybe, if the Pope takes some of Revelation literally, he will be looking for this:

Revelation 9

9 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit....

(No telescope needed.)

Not a big fan of "woes."

;-)

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   16:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: misterwhite (#98)

He said that, historically, housing never went down.

Well, so much for those "assurances".

Whose fault was it when Greenspan was advocating removing Glass-steagal?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-17   16:59:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Liberator (#112)

And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth.

I forget, was that Nebuchadnezzar or Lucifer in Isaiah?

VxH  posted on  2015-04-17   17:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13, SOSO (#111)

The Catholics over at TOS opine that Catholic universities are not really under a bishop or cardinal etc. That's their answer. It is just an excuse IMO like some Protestant universities which are religious in name only.

Is that how they explained it? That because there's no actual Catholic oversight any longer? You wonder just how this transformation took place. At either a "Catholic" or "Protestant" faith-based university or college. Sad.

One of the reasons my uncle convinced me to avoid going there [Georgetown] and instead look at few other 'Catholic' universities like Stubenville, Fairfield and Fordham. I went to Fordham and it was Catholic enough for the times (80s) but had a slant towards Marxist professors on the one hand and some old Jesuits who were very conservative in dogma and morals. Yet Fordham even in the mid to late 80s had a homosexual alliance club which the university funded like all other clubs. This was a first hint that the University was not not fully adhering to Catholic doctrine.

Yeah, ya think??

Well, it was impressive enough just to qualify for Georgetown and the other schools....Wound up at Fordham? Good rep. Despite (uggh!) university-sancioned gay clubs as far back as the 80s??) At least some old school conservative Jesuits (kinda) off-set the Marxist profs. I can't imagine the degree of Gay-Marxist-anti-Americanism influence these days. After all...are you satisfied with the experience? You're a native New Yawkah, right?

So in my uncle's most astute observation, Georgetown was gone and I reported back to him Fordham was getting there. Given the alumni newsletters I get Fordham has gone the way of Georgetown.

Apparently you were among the last to attend Fordham "back in the olde days." Is Unc still around?

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   17:04:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: VxH (#114)

I don't think it's as much as you "forget" as much as you're very confused.

Do you believe Revelation? The Gospel? Or for that matter Isaiah or ANY of the Bible?

Or are you content to selectively quote what you want? Does that mean you own a Jeffersonian Bible?

Liberator  posted on  2015-04-17   17:07:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Liberator, SOSO (#115)

Apparently you were among the last to attend Fordham "back in the olde days." Is Unc still around?

He is home with the Lord. And a proud graduate of Manhattan College to boot!

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-17   17:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Liberator (#116) (Edited)

So you can't answer whether it was Lucifer or Nebuchadnezzar.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Don't let me interrupt your pining for the Apokeeeclypse. Carry on.

VxH  posted on  2015-04-17   17:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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