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Title: I RECANT.
Source: Chuck Baldwin / Facebook
URL Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink. ... 69863063938&id=226997970644468
Published: Apr 5, 2015
Author: Chuck Baldwin
Post Date: 2015-04-15 02:15:42 by Hondo68
Keywords: None
Views: 66274
Comments: 178

I'm using this Facebook post to make a couple of personal confessions.

In one way or another, we are all victims of our past. I was schooled in certain persuasions that have taken 3/4 of a lifetime to overcome. But when I made a conscious decision to pursue and follow truth--no matter where it led me--many years ago, my mind and heart have been liberated with the illumination of truth time and time again. I personally believe that only people who, in their hearts, are sincerely open to truth will ever find it.

I will not make these issues a test of fellowship with those who disagree with me (although, I'm sure many of them will). I, myself, believed differently for all of my adult life. And these conclusions have not been made overnight. It has taken years of study and research to bring me to the conclusions I am sharing with you in this post.

Obviously, this forum will not allow me to go into detail about the conclusions I'm going to share. That must be reserved for another day and another forum. But, for the sake of the folks--especially those Christian folks--who follow my work, I believe I need to be honest and straightforward regarding these conclusions.

So, here we go:

1. I recant the dogmatism of a belief in a pre-millennial rapture.

That doesn't mean that I DON'T believe in a Rapture. It just means that I am no longer dogmatic about it; and neither do I think that it matters to a tinker's dam regarding my personal duty to God. The Lord is going to fulfill His divine will regarding prophetic events in His time. Quite frankly, I am convinced that, for the most part, it is not for us to know the things God has reserved unto Himself. (Acts 1:6, 7)

For too long, many of our pre-millennial friends have been using a belief in the Rapture as an excuse to sit back on their blessed assurance and do nothing. Even if the doctrine is true, the way it is being used as an excuse to not engage the liberty fight is downright shameful.

2. I recant the position that the modern state of Israel is the same as the prophetic Israel of the Bible.

The nation of Israel rejected their Messiah and God destroyed their nation, their capital city, and their temple in 70 AD. Spiritually, the children of Israel have been in a state of blindness ever since. With the advent of the New Testament Church, we are NOT Jews or Gentiles, Greeks or Barbarians, etc.: we are all ONE IN CHRIST. God's people today are the blood-washed saints of all races, ethnicities, nationalities, etc. Again, we are ONE IN CHRIST.

Accordingly, I am convinced that the modern state of Israel is NOT the prophetic fulfillment of the future redeemed nation of Israel. NOT IN ANY SHAPE, MANNER, OR FORM. I further conclude that the misapplication of applying prophetic scriptures to the modern state of Israel is producing nothing but perpetual war, the demise of liberty at home, the rise of a Police State, and the facilitation of a devilish New World Order.

So, there you have it. I RECANT.


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I wonder if he's getting ready to run for president again?

I voted for him when Ron Paul endorsed him in '08, and I just might again in '16.

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#6. To: hondo68 (#0)

Chuck,

You're right about the modern state of Israel.

As far as the "Rapture" goes, it doesn't exist at all, but I'm glad that at least you no longer give it importance.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-04-15   8:10:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13, BobCeleste, Don, hondo68, liberator (#6)

As far as the "Rapture" goes, it doesn't exist at all

Sure it does. Literally in the Latin. More clearly in the Greek "caught up."

Now when it happens, I agree it is debatable as it is not clear in Scriptures. That is what he means by not being 'dogmatic.' Some theologians say 'it will happen before, during or after' some events. It is not clear and the scripture reference from Acts 1 from Baldwin is sage advice. I took that advice from Jesus Christ own words a few years ago.

Personally? All I need is the Upper Room discourse. Jesus told His followers if they love Him He will come for them.

On Israel? Who knows. Baldwin should have stopped with saying "I don't know" like he did for rapture. Because none of us do know. What do we know God will do with a multitude of 'physical' Jews/Israelites gathered in the same geographic location? We don't know. Perhaps as St Augustine believed that in the end a remnant of Jews would convert to Christ for the Glory of God.

Should we support the only democracy in the ME from a secular standpoint? Seems reasonable. Should we care for the well being of Jewish people who still need their Messiah. Yes we should. Should we side with them when they disobey the laws of God...No.

From the perspective of Baldwin I agree...One's Christian faith should not influence politically and militarily a certain secular state. If Christians truly loved the people of Messiah and His apostles, they would provide Christian based support. If the US government values a democratic partner in the ME then they should pursue the government of Israel as an ally.

I do await Baldwin's expanded comments on Israel. Somehow he links wars we fight with Israel's existence. Is he suggesting Israel not govern themselves and surrender to Arab Muslim nations? I don't think so, but he sees some connection with all the wars America fights with Israel 'just being there.' That is a bit concerning.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-04-15   10:50:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: redleghunter (#14) (Edited)

Because none of us do know.

Why don't we know?

In Deuteronomy 28, God spelled out the promised doom of Israel if the Israelites did not follow him and obey his teachings.

In the last week of his life, in the parable of the Vineyard, Jesus Christ pronounced the final doom on Israel, speaking specifically of how the Israelites had, over the years, ignored the laws, killed the prophets and now would kill the Son. And that as a result, God would cast them out and give over the vineyard to others.

And Jesus pronounced the utter doom of the Temple. Absolutely central to the Laws of Moses was the constant rites, which could ONLY be performed by priests in the line of Aaron, and none others. The great sin of the Northern Kingdom, just about the only thing that the prophets of its doom harped on, was that they performed their own rites with their own priests. God was explicit: the ONLY LEGITIMATE WAY to worship him, in Israel, was on the altar, at Jerusalem, at the hands of priests descended by the body from Aaron, performing the EXACT rites required, EVERY DAY, and that if Israel did not follow ALL OF THE LAW, that God would eventually utterly destroy it.

God told the Israelites that before they even entered Canaan. MOSES told them all of it, in Deuteronomy, and spoke the words of sentence to doom at Deueteronomny 28, the whole chapter.

Jesus, as Judge, pronounced the final doom of Israel - the end of the Mosaic covenant. For the Covenant was FOR LAND, and Jesus specifically referred to the LAND, the vineyard itself, being taken from the tenants and handed to others, and the tenants being destroyed.

Jesus pronounced the final doom of the Temple also. And when that came, in 69 AD, the Aaronic priesthood was extinguished.

God made it IMPOSSIBLE to rebuild the Temple and restart. The Aaronic priesthood is gone. And other priests will not do.

The Covenant with Moses was "to a distant time", and CONDITIONAL upon the Hebrews obeying. They did not. God sent prophet after prophet, just as Jesus described in the final judgment. Finally, God sent the son. The Priesthood ITSELF rejected and killed the Son. And the Son, before he died, in the parable of the Vineyard and in killing the fig tree and in pronouncing the destruction of the Temple, pronounced the end of the Mosaic covenant BY THE EXECUTION OF THE PENALTY CLAUSES.

We DO KNOW that Israel is DONE FOREVER. Jesus SAID so. Moses warned it. Jesus said it. And God sent the Romans to DO IT. And the only covenant left, the ONLY WAY to God is through Jesus.

The Mosaic covenant CANNOT BE FULFILLED: the priests are gone, and new ones cannot be made. The Urim and Thummim are gone. To be able to know. And the ONLY GATE is Jesus. The ONLY way.

The Bible tells us that Israel is done and will never be rebuilt. Moses and Jesus, God's direct words.

Isaiah and Jeremiah foretold the destruction of Judah and the return from Babylon. Daniel foretold it. That all happened. God told the Jews of the ultimate end of Israel, for disobedience, through Moses, and Jesus pronounced the sentence, and removed the validity of THAT covenant to come to God, by being the only gateway.

Judaism by its tenets rejects the divinity of the only way: Jesus.

It's done. Biblically. Stick a fork in it.

It is an error to read the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah and Daniel as foretelling something that would happen with lineal Israel AFTER Christ killed the fig tree and trampled out the vineyard.

The prophesies that count NOW are only those that Jesus gave to the Apostles in the Gospels, and to John in the Apocalypse. And they don't contain a rebuilding of Jewish Israel, but a NEW Jerusalem, a divine one, from God, one so vast in size that the physical Jerusalem is just a point source beneath it.

The moment that Jesus died, the veil separating the Holy of Holies from the rest of the inner temple ripped in two top to bottom. God has LEFT the building. Forever. Soon after, it will be destroyed, the line of the priests will be obliterated, and the covenantal title to the vineyard - already revoked by Jesus - will be visibly extinguished by eviction.

We know.

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#23. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter (#17)

You make a number of valid points, Vic. Historically, philosophically, factually. The word of Jesus is true.

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