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Title: I RECANT.
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Chuck Baldwin / Facebook
URL Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink. ... 69863063938&id=226997970644468
Published: Apr 5, 2015
Author: Chuck Baldwin
Post Date: 2015-04-15 02:15:42 by Hondo68
Keywords: None
Views: 60871
Comments: 178
I'm using this Facebook post to make a couple of personal confessions. In one way or another, we are all victims of our past. I was schooled in certain persuasions that have taken 3/4 of a lifetime to overcome. But when I made a conscious decision to pursue and follow truth--no matter where it led me--many years ago, my mind and heart have been liberated with the illumination of truth time and time again. I personally believe that only people who, in their hearts, are sincerely open to truth will ever find it. I will not make these issues a test of fellowship with those who disagree with me (although, I'm sure many of them will). I, myself, believed differently for all of my adult life. And these conclusions have not been made overnight. It has taken years of study and research to bring me to the conclusions I am sharing with you in this post. Obviously, this forum will not allow me to go into detail about the conclusions I'm going to share. That must be reserved for another day and another forum. But, for the sake of the folks--especially those Christian folks--who follow my work, I believe I need to be honest and straightforward regarding these conclusions. So, here we go: 1. I recant the dogmatism of a belief in a pre-millennial rapture. That doesn't mean that I DON'T believe in a Rapture. It just means that I am no longer dogmatic about it; and neither do I think that it matters to a tinker's dam regarding my personal duty to God. The Lord is going to fulfill His divine will regarding prophetic events in His time. Quite frankly, I am convinced that, for the most part, it is not for us to know the things God has reserved unto Himself. (Acts 1:6, 7) For too long, many of our pre-millennial friends have been using a belief in the Rapture as an excuse to sit back on their blessed assurance and do nothing. Even if the doctrine is true, the way it is being used as an excuse to not engage the liberty fight is downright shameful. 2. I recant the position that the modern state of Israel is the same as the prophetic Israel of the Bible. The nation of Israel rejected their Messiah and God destroyed their nation, their capital city, and their temple in 70 AD. Spiritually, the children of Israel have been in a state of blindness ever since. With the advent of the New Testament Church, we are NOT Jews or Gentiles, Greeks or Barbarians, etc.: we are all ONE IN CHRIST. God's people today are the blood-washed saints of all races, ethnicities, nationalities, etc. Again, we are ONE IN CHRIST. Accordingly, I am convinced that the modern state of Israel is NOT the prophetic fulfillment of the future redeemed nation of Israel. NOT IN ANY SHAPE, MANNER, OR FORM. I further conclude that the misapplication of applying prophetic scriptures to the modern state of Israel is producing nothing but perpetual war, the demise of liberty at home, the rise of a Police State, and the facilitation of a devilish New World Order. So, there you have it. I RECANT.
Poster Comment: I wonder if he's getting ready to run for president again? I voted for him when Ron Paul endorsed him in '08, and I just might again in '16.
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#6. To: hondo68 (#0)
Chuck, You're right about the modern state of Israel. As far as the "Rapture" goes, it doesn't exist at all, but I'm glad that at least you no longer give it importance.
Sure it does. Literally in the Latin. More clearly in the Greek "caught up." Now when it happens, I agree it is debatable as it is not clear in Scriptures. That is what he means by not being 'dogmatic.' Some theologians say 'it will happen before, during or after' some events. It is not clear and the scripture reference from Acts 1 from Baldwin is sage advice. I took that advice from Jesus Christ own words a few years ago. Personally? All I need is the Upper Room discourse. Jesus told His followers if they love Him He will come for them. On Israel? Who knows. Baldwin should have stopped with saying "I don't know" like he did for rapture. Because none of us do know. What do we know God will do with a multitude of 'physical' Jews/Israelites gathered in the same geographic location? We don't know. Perhaps as St Augustine believed that in the end a remnant of Jews would convert to Christ for the Glory of God. Should we support the only democracy in the ME from a secular standpoint? Seems reasonable. Should we care for the well being of Jewish people who still need their Messiah. Yes we should. Should we side with them when they disobey the laws of God...No. From the perspective of Baldwin I agree...One's Christian faith should not influence politically and militarily a certain secular state. If Christians truly loved the people of Messiah and His apostles, they would provide Christian based support. If the US government values a democratic partner in the ME then they should pursue the government of Israel as an ally. I do await Baldwin's expanded comments on Israel. Somehow he links wars we fight with Israel's existence. Is he suggesting Israel not govern themselves and surrender to Arab Muslim nations? I don't think so, but he sees some connection with all the wars America fights with Israel 'just being there.' That is a bit concerning.
Sure it does. Literally in the Latin. More clearly in the Greek "caught up." Now when it happens, I agree it is debatable as it is not clear in Scriptures. Interesting discussion here dealing with the end times and rapture. On a similar note, has anyone here been watching the series "Dig" on USA Network?.
"Dig"? What's it about? Btw, I'll bookmark your link. The beginning sounds reasonable. The rest appears to cover quite a bit of fascinating ground. But will he maintain that there are actual UFOs with "aliens" mistaken for "angels"...and new life forms?
His view (and mine as well) is that the "Great Deception" will be fallen angels posing as aliens, telling the world that they created humans and have returned to save us. The Vatican will go along with it, as will all of the other (apostate) religions. His view is that the UFO's are actual, physical vehicles, the so-called "extra-terrestrials" are demonic entities.
I can absolutely buy that deception. I can definitely imagine the scenario you've envisioned. People are desperate to be "saved" by anyone, anything other than Jesus Christ and God. Especially aliens. You've no doubt noted the obsession by TV and movies of alien supernatural power, zombies, and magic themes? The Vatican will go along with it, as will all of the other (apostate) religions. That I can also believe. The Vatican (not to be confused with Catholic people) has been a front. For evil. His view is that the UFO's are actual, physical vehicles, the so-called "extra-terrestrials" are demonic entities. Aliens = demons. My belief as well. That the UFOs are actual physical contraptions....They could also be mirages and a trick upon open minds. Btw, been listening to you link....thanks.
That I can also believe. The Vatican (not to be confused with Catholic people) has been a front. For evil. Pope Francis says he would baptise aliens: 'Who are we to close doors?' Seems to fit:)
Seems to fit:) "Who?" indeed. This statement from this Pope fits like an asbestos glove :-) If two of the past three Popes were willing to kiss the Koran, then NOTHING should be surprising from the Vatican. It's been an embarrassment now for too long. (from Red's link): Firstly....who knew the Vatican has a staff of astronomers? WHY?? Secondly, Pope Benedict and now Francis are ready to baptize ETs..."no matter how many tentacles"?? Very odd statement.
The Pope has to be up to date on scientific theory.
Am I to understand this is your theory for the reason for the Vatican's astronomers?
HA! Great scene, great flick! It was all quite believable (until they jumped the shark when a mothballed WWII Battleship and their 90 year old skeleton crew evaded then took out the Alien Ship.) :-(
That's one thing I need to add to my bucket list is to go to Pearl and take a tour of the Missouri and sit on top of one of the 16" gun turrets. Also go to the Arizona and pay my respects to those who are still entombed.
What??
You heard him. So what's your response?
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#14. To: Vicomte13, BobCeleste, Don, hondo68, liberator (#6)
As far as the "Rapture" goes, it doesn't exist at all
#24. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13, BobCeleste, Don, hondo68, liberator (#14)
As far as the "Rapture" goes, it doesn't exist at all
#27. To: Deckard (#24)
#29. To: Liberator (#27)
But will he maintain that there are actual UFOs with "aliens" mistaken for "angels"...and new life forms?
#31. To: Deckard (#29)
His view (and mine as well) is that the "Great Deception" will be fallen angels posing as aliens, telling the world that they created humans and have returned to save us.
#34. To: Liberator, Deckard (#31)
The Vatican will go along with it, as will all of the other (apostate) religions.
#90. To: redleghunter, Deckard, Bob Celeste, Stoner, A K A Stone, Vicomte13, CZ82, TooConservative (#34)
(link) Pope Francis says he would baptise aliens: 'Who are we to close doors?'
Speaking at the British Science Festival in 2010, one of then-Pope Benedict XVI’s astronomers said he would baptise an alien “if they asked”. While he accepted that the chances of ever getting such an opportunity were slim, Guy Consolmagno said: “Any entity – no matter how many tentacles it has – has a soul.”
#91. To: Liberator (#90)
#92. To: Vicomte13 (#91)
The Pope has to be up to date on scientific theory.
#100. To: Liberator (#92)
Am I to understand this is your theory for the reason for the Vatican's astronomers?
#106. To: redleghunter, CZ82 (#100)
#124. To: Liberator (#106)
#127. To: CZ82 (#124)
(Edited)
#128. To: TooConservative (#127)
#130. To: CZ82 (#128)
"What??"
#134. To: misterwhite (#130)
You heard him. So what's your response?
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