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Title: Obama calls for end to 'gay conversion therapies'
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BBC
URL Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32227353
Published: Apr 9, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-04-09 05:17:32 by Willie Green
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Views: 3887
Comments: 34
US President Barack Obama has condemned psychiatric therapies designed to "repair" gay, lesbian and transgender youth. Mr Obama's statement was in response to an online petition calling for a ban on conversion therapies. It gained over 120,000 signatures in three months. The petition was inspired by Leelah Alcorn, a 17-year-old transgender youth who committed suicide in December. Some conservative groups and religious doctors support conversion therapy. "We share your concern about its potentially devastating effects on the lives of transgender as well as gay, lesbian, bisexual, and queer youth," White House adviser Valerie Jarrett wrote in response to the petition. "As part of our dedication to protecting America's youth, this administration supports efforts to ban the use of conversion therapy for minors." Counselling and prayer is used in conversion therapy to help some Christians deal with gay urges. "We believe that change is still possible. People go to therapy because they can change, because it really does work," David Pickup, a family therapist in California and Texas, told the New York Times. "We help people grow into their authentic selves." But mental health groups and gay rights activists say it can increase the risk of depression or suicide. The US states of California and New Jersey have banned the practices. But other conservative states such as Oklahoma are considering legislation to protect the therapies from legal challenges. While the White House is not explicitly calling for congressional legislation to ban the therapies nationwide, Mara Keisling, the executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality, welcomed Mr Obama's statement. "Having President Obama and the weight of the White House behind efforts to ban conversion therapy is so critical in the fight for transgender and LGBT young people," Ms Keisling said. In the letter posted on Tumblr, Ms Alcorn said she killed herself after years of struggling with her strict Christian parents' refusal to acknowledge her true identity as a female. She ended her note with a plea: "The only way I will rest in peace is if one day transgender people aren't treated the way I was... My death needs to mean something. Fix society. Please."
Poster Comment: I don't know how or why, but I do believe that some people are simply born "that way" and it is NOT their fault. That's simply the way that God created them. And I don't think that there's any kind of "therapy" that can change the way they are. And it is both wrong and cruel and sinful to subject them to such psychological abuse to try to make them change.
"The only way I will rest in peace is if one day transgender people aren't treated the way I was," Leelah Alcorn wrote before her death 
Vigils were held after Ms Alcorn committed suicide in December
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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)
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Ah but is the therapy mandatory to attend? Very, very doubtful. Obola's just trying to make an issue out a non-issue. If you can't win the argument with facts try to baffle with bullschitt. (Besides if the therapy works some of his voting constituents would have fewer "victims" to choose from on Fri/Sat nights).
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
This kid could have run away. He had less than a year before he could make all his own decisions. And he did not post his own suicide note. He "arranged" to post it on Tumblr several hours after his death, raising questions about whether he even wrote it or it was someone else taking advantage of his death to post their own fake suicide note. Let's keep in mind all the lying about Matthew Shepherd's death, portrayed in the media as a gay youth murdered by strangers. The actual Matt Shepherd was a regular dealer in meth and other drugs and he was killed by two other meth dealers with whom he had sold drugs before and gone on meth binges with, including having sex with the thug who actually killed him.
Or the parents should've been charged with child abuse and he/she could've been placed in safe custody of Child Protective Services. That would've been MUCH better than just another abused/homeless runaway teen out on the streets.
The kid doesn't have any choice if he/she is a minor in the custody of ignorant & abusive parents.
In less than a year, the parents would have been powerless. And this kid could have alleged abuse or just run away. Or petitioned a court for emancipation and lived in foster care for a year.
Or Child Protective Services could've intervened and the kid would still be alive today. There ain't no need to torment and abuse the kid just because he/she was created queer.
I notice you're desperately clinging to your born-queer notions. Regardless, this kid killed himself for nothing. He had a lot of choices. I'm not convinced this was a suicide. Maybe he was out trolling for a ride and got hit and some little shemale buddy faked up a suicide note to get their 15 minutes of fame. Lots of fake "victims" out there.
That's a stretch to assume that this is remotely true. There was only one factor determining this persons death... himself. He was the only person that could of saved him. He decided for the permanent vacation. Your love for big government, intervening and saving the helpless sheep has been duly noted. How did we survive before DSS was invented?
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Increase? Suicide and depression are already many times higher for homosexuals.
Damn! If we could only get these "ignorant & abusive parents" out of the way we'd have fresh meat for the older homosexuals. These teens and preteens know who they are and what they want. I say let them choose their sexuality. While we're at it, let them choose whether or not to smoke, drink alcohol, use drugs, and have sex.
Even if the parents had agreed to start a gender transition, the kid would have faced a known 40% risk of suicide for transsexuals. That's before you account for the transsexuals who have had the reassignment surgery and found it wasn't worth it and want to return to their original gender. Many of those commit suicide as they feel they can't undo the surgery and have any kind of normal body or life.
You sound like some libertarian fanatic! : )
Not all of them, but many. However, I suppose that many others could be suffering some kind of post-traumatic stress disorder if they were abused at a young age by perverted parents, older siblings, a babysitter or some other "trusted" pervert. But either way (or both), it's still not the kid's fault.
You should realize that the gay gene has been proven mythical over and over and that the orginator of the idea is discredited as a mediocre and dishonest researcher? Teh Gays had better hope that no one ever finds a gay gene because that would be the end of gays in one generation. People wanting to have a baby also want to have grandchildren. Including the most dedicated Religious Right pro-lifers who would flip on the abortion issue if they knew they could guarantee no gay offspring.
40% greater? What's the percentage of homo suicide if they just don't kill themselves? Once you answer that question honestly, you've discoved who causes suicide and who can eliminate it.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
The parents should make it clear to the child from an early age that they will be treated as the gender they were at birth. When the child is 18, they're free to do what they want with their lives.
40% of those who have the reassignment surgery. That doesn't count those who realize it was a mistake to try to do it and try to transition back, admittedly with a maimed physique. They aren't homos. A fairly large number of them won't have any sex until they transition because they disapprove of homosexuality. IOW, they don't want to have sex with a man unless they become a woman. Another larger number will do sex as prostitutes or porn models to pay for their surgery.
It's not their fault that they have a genetic and environmental predisposition to homosexuality. No more than an alcoholic has towards alcohol. But, like the alcoholic, they have a choice how they will behave. It certainly is "their fault" if they choose to have sex with a different partner every week. To hang out at gay bath houses, parks and restrooms looking for anonymous sex. To have unprotected anal sex with strangers. To attend drug-fueled sex orgies. Nothing genetic about that behavior.
I'm just going to say it Willie. I don't consider you a christian. You say God made people like that so he could send them to hell for their amusement. THat is messed up Willie. We all have choices. You also come out against free speech here. Willie you are the problem with America. It's you Willie. It is people who have the stupid ideas that you have. Willie it is you that we are fighting. It is people like you that we must destroy. By destroy I mean destroy their credibility. Destroy their lies. Destroy their stupidity. Destroy their ignorance. Destroy their credibility to influence other people You don't even act like a traditional American. You act like a foreign provocateur that wants to bring us down. Thanks for posting here Willie. I honestly appreciate it. Because you provide and example of what the enemy thinks. I like you Willie. But you are so damned WILLIEingly ignorant.
Abuse your kid to save him. Insanity. I'm not saying you're insane. I'm saying parents who accept and encourage their kids mental illness are themselves mentally ill and likely the culprit.
Just because I said that I believe that "some are born that way," doesn't mean that it has to be genetic. I'm well aware that (so far) the "gay gene" hasn't been found yet. But my best guess is that it could be some kind of abnormal development, maybe due to vitamin deficiency and/or complex chemical/hormonal imbalance. Who knows why? But there are always a small percentage of kids (very small percentage) that you can tell are gonna turn out to be effeminate little mama's boys.... or girls who're gonna play middle linebacker for Notre Dame (if the Catholic Church would let them.)
I'm thinking its chemical. However I doubt the the gay community and all its liberal supporters want to find a cure... because a "cure" would indicate an illness.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
No, those are YOUR words, Stone. Not mine, not God's... YOURS. I honestly don't know why God created them that way, just like I don't know why other children suffer birth defects like club feet or cleft palates or whatever... Nevertheless, gays & trannies are God's children too...
Neither are you, Pope Willie.
Yeah, I agree with that, although I'd be pretty skeptical of any kind of "cure" anyway... I'm pretty sure that once the damage is done, it'd be almost impossible to undo... I just don't trust any of them at all. Stop tinkering with other people's thoughts... Even if I don't agree with them, NOBODY has the right to force a "cure" on them.
Gay conversion therapy to be banned? How will homosexuals groom and convert the naive and young to their "true sexual selves"? OK sarcasm off now. What about therapists that are surgically "transformed", counseling a confused young man that he is most assuredly a girl trapped inside a boys DNA? Isn't this a bigger evil, than a well balanced mind with normal proclivities, attempting to advise someone WANTING to rid themselves of a dangerous compulsion?
OTOH, government has no place banning the attempt to help a confused individual, uncoil thoughts they recognize as "wrong", and help them live as they wish....as heterosexuals. Just because the psychological fashion of today says homosexuals are born that way and should not and cannot be changed, does not make it a fact. First do no harm. Surgically and chemically altering a human being to be something they most assuredly ARE NOT harms them, I don't know how the other side of the argument can be presented with a straight face.
Most children were better off before CPS (Child protective Services) was born. Now you hear all kinds of horror stories about children who were taken from their real parents (for ideological reasons) and put into foster homes where they were abused/killed by their supposedly new and improved parents. And for some idiotic reason CPS think homos make good parents.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
I have no doubt that if the child showed up at the local police department and told them what the parents were doing it would be stopped. Now whether that decision is right or wrong is a different story. And how many children end up being a homo just because they didn't have a good parental experience/guidance growing up?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Only because he will be leaving the Half White House soon,and be going back into the bath house dating scene. It might limit his number of hookups.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
All good,and true,points.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Sarcasm?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Exorcism. The "devil" doesn't tempt young kids to become gay or trannies, pete.
I couldn't agree more. Those nutcases claim sexual orientation is a choice,while pretending at the same time that THEY aren't bi-sexual. How's that for hypocrisy? The plain FACT is that nobody,either heterosexual or homosexual,has a choice in sexual orientation that isn't bi-sexual. The rest of us play the cards we are dealt.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#2. To: Willie Green (#0)
#3. To: TooConservative (#2)
This kid could have run away. He had less than a year before he could make all his own decisions.
#4. To: CZ82 (#1)
(Edited)
Ah but is the therapy mandatory to attend? Very, very doubtful.
#5. To: Willie Green (#4)
#6. To: TooConservative (#5)
And living a happy, productive (even though somewhat strange & bizarre) life.
#7. To: Willie Green (#6)
There ain't no need to torment and abuse the kid just because he/she was created queer.
#8. To: Willie Green (#6)
(Edited)
Or Child Protective Services could've intervened and the kid would still be alive today.
#9. To: Willie Green (#0)
"But mental health groups and gay rights activists say it can increase the risk of depression or suicide."
#10. To: Willie Green (#4)
"The kid doesn't have any choice if he/she is a minor in the custody of ignorant & abusive parents."
#11. To: misterwhite (#9)
Increase? Suicide and depression are already many times higher for homosexuals.
#12. To: misterwhite (#10)
While we're at it, let them choose whether or not to smoke, drink alcohol, use drugs, and have sex.
#13. To: TooConservative (#7)
I notice you're desperately clinging to your born-queer notions.
And I don't believe that there's any kind of psychological treatment (religious or other) that can "correct" their thinking and make them "normal" again. There simply isn't any "cure" for that. The best that can be done for them is to be compassionate and accept them for who they are. No sense tormenting them over something that's not their fault.
#14. To: Willie Green (#13)
#15. To: TooConservative (#11)
Even if the parents had agreed to start a gender transition, the kid would have faced a known 40% risk of suicide for transsexuals.
#16. To: TooConservative (#11)
"Even if the parents had agreed to start a gender transition, the kid would have faced a known 40% risk of suicide for transsexuals."
#17. To: GrandIsland (#15)
(Edited)
40% greater?
What's the percentage of homo suicide if they just don't kill themselves?
#18. To: Willie Green (#13)
"No sense tormenting them over something that's not their fault."
#19. To: Willie Green (#0)
I don't know how or why, but I do believe that some people are simply born "that way" and it is NOT their fault. That's simply the way that God created them. And I don't think that there's any kind of "therapy" that can change the way they are. And it is both wrong and cruel and sinful to subject them to such psychological abuse to try to make them change
#20. To: TooConservative (#11)
Even if the parents had agreed to start a gender transition,
#21. To: TooConservative (#14)
ou should realize that the gay gene has been proven mythical over and over and that the orginator of the idea is discredited as a mediocre and dishonest researcher?
Why? I honestly don't know.... But it's not their fault... for some unknown reason, they were just born that way.
#22. To: Willie Green (#21)
I'm well aware that (so far) the "gay gene" hasn't been found yet. But my best guess is that it could be some kind of abnormal development, maybe due to vitamin deficiency and/or complex chemical/hormonal imbalance.
#23. To: A K A Stone (#19)
You say God made people like that so he could send them to hell for their amusement. THat is messed up Willie. We all have choices.
And I don't think God is gonna send them to hell just because AKA Stone said so...
You're not the one who gets to decide who gets through the pearly gates... THAT I am quite certain.
#24. To: Willie Green (#23)
(Edited)
You're not the one who gets to decide who gets through the pearly gates... THAT I am quite certain.
#25. To: GrandIsland (#22)
However I doubt the the gay community and all its liberal supporters want to find a cure... because a "cure" would indicate an illness.
Some psychiatrists/psycholgists might be on the right track as far as what causes the malady... many others simply have a bunch of crackpot New Age theories... and their "cures" involve heavy doses of unnatural drugs or lobotomy whatever...
The human mind is complex, and I don't think science is anywhere near developing an ethical/moral way to "cure" "improper" thinking...
#26. To: Willie Green (#0)
#27. To: Willie Green (#25)
Nobody has a right to force a "cure" on them.
#28. To: GrandIsland, Willie Green (#8)
How did we survive before DSS was invented?
#29. To: Willie Green (#4)
The kid doesn't have any choice if he/she is a minor in the custody of ignorant & abusive parents.
#30. To: Willie Green (#0)
US President Barack Obama has condemned psychiatric therapies designed to "repair" gay, lesbian and transgender youth.
#31. To: TooConservative (#2)
Let's keep in mind all the lying about Matthew Shepherd's death, portrayed in the media as a gay youth murdered by strangers. The actual Matt Shepherd was a regular dealer in meth and other drugs and he was killed by two other meth dealers with whom he had sold drugs before and gone on meth binges with, including having sex with the thug who actually killed him.
#32. To: Willie Green (#3)
Or the parents should've been charged with child abuse and he/she could've been placed in safe custody of Child Protective Services.
#33. To: sneakypete (#32)
Sarcasm?
They're either born that way or suffering from some kind of abuse.
Either way, it's not their fault. And it's abusive to pretend that they can somehow be "cured" by some kind of religious mumbo-jumbo psychobabble. What they really need is simply compassionate understanding and acceptance of who they actually are.
#34. To: Willie Green (#33)
The "devil" doesn't tempt young kids to become gay or trannies, pete. They're either born that way or suffering from some kind of abuse. Either way, it's not their fault. And it's abusive to pretend that they can somehow be "cured" by some kind of religious mumbo-jumbo psychobabble. What they really need is simply compassionate understanding and acceptance of who they actually are.
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