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Title: Can Rand Paul escape his father's shadow?
Source: CNN
URL Source: http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/06/polit ... on-paul-rand-paul-differences/
Published: Apr 7, 2015
Author: Chris Moody
Post Date: 2015-04-07 22:22:10 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 2963
Comments: 32

The launch of Sen. Rand Paul's presidential campaign -- expected to be officially unveiled in Kentucky on Tuesday -- may not have been possible without the work of his father, Ron Paul, the former Texas congressman and three-time White House contender.

The elder Paul, who ran for president as a Libertarian in 1988 and a Republican in 2008 and 2012, helped pave the way for Rand Paul by building a nationwide network of devoted supporters drawn to his message of limited government and non-interventionist foreign policy. But while Rand Paul has largely inherited the ideological roots of Ron Paul's political philosophy, he's not a carbon copy of his father.

The two are similar in many ways—Ron Paul says he agrees with 99 percent of what his son believes. In some cases, they merely take different strategic approaches to reach the same goal, and in most cases Ran Paul's stance is a slightly more moderate version than his father's.

Still, Rand Paul expects to be treated as his own man, and in many ways he has proven to be a different type of politician. Here are some areas where they differ, even if slightly:

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#1. To: Gatlin (#0)

You're really worried about Rand Paul aren't you?

What are the three top things you think the man is incorrect on. Please.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-07   22:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Gatlin (#0)

Have you ever been diagnosed with OCD?

We used to be a land where we gave up our lives to protect our freedom. Now we give up our freedom to protect our lives.

We The People  posted on  2015-04-07   22:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#0)

If you post 3 or 4 more anti rand Paul articles tonight. You can post 7 more tomorrow. So get busy so that you don't miss out.

;)

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-07   22:31:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#1)

You're really worried about Rand Paul aren't you?

His kind of Republican is freaking out about Paul and always has been going back to his dad. They want to make sure the GOP is a reliable supporter of the Military Industrial Complex and Neocon interventions.

Pericles  posted on  2015-04-07   22:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pericles, Gatlin (#4)

They want to make sure the GOP is a reliable supporter of the Military Industrial Complex and Neocon interventions.

Is it your honest opinion that that is Gatlins motive? Because i'm not sure that is so.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-07   23:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#1)

You're really worried about Rand Paul aren't you?
Worried? No. I am simply fascinated by his chronic inconsistency. He keeps trying to have it both ways on so many issues.
What are the three top things you think the man is incorrect on. Please.

I will say that it is more “inconsistent” than “incorrect.”

He prides himself as being the Grand Poobah anti-interventionist and now he is kissing the neocons’ asses to try and hide or shake off the “isolationist albatross” tag metaphorically hung around his neck. The dilemma compounds because his past statements keep coming back to bit him in the ass. His foreign policy is awkward to say the least.

Then there is his before and after statements on aid to Israel. He tries to suck up to the base by wanting to eliminate all “foreign aid” from the State Department’s budget. Wait! Now that he is gearing up for a presidential run, he is now trying to walk a pragmatic political line to “eliminate all foreign aid – except for Israel.” So now he pathetically denies ever having the ideologically consistent one.

And there was the drone issue. He raises hell over the prospect of any weaponized drone attacks in America while he cheers the drone program abroad so he can get credit for “speaking against the use of drones” without actually speaking out against drones.

It’s not just me, others on the right are hitting Rand Paul over inconsistencies between his past and present policies. Ann Coulter to Rand Paul: ‘Just pick a position.’

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-07   23:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Gatlin (#6)

He prides himself as being the Grand Poobah anti-interventionist and now he is kissing the neocons’ asses to try and hide or shake off the “isolationist albatross” tag metaphorically hung around his neck. The dilemma compounds because his past statements keep coming back to bit him in the ass. His foreign policy is awkward to say the least.

Ok there are some opinions. Now show me the examples. Please.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-07   23:35:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: We The People (#2)

Have you ever been diagnosed with OCD?

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express in Flagstaff the other night.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-07   23:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Gatlin (#6)

Then there is his before and after statements on aid to Israel. He tries to suck up to the base by wanting to eliminate all “foreign aid” from the State Department’s budget. Wait! Now that he is gearing up for a presidential run, he is now trying to walk a pragmatic political line to “eliminate all foreign aid – except for Israel.” So now he pathetically denies ever having the ideologically consistent one.

I think you are correct on that. But I don't think anyone is going to be perfect. I can let it slide in the grand scheme of things.

What about something important like liberty. He is the one most likely to follow through on eliminating the surveillance state.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-07   23:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Gatlin (#6)

And there was the drone issue. He raises hell over the prospect of any weaponized drone attacks in America while he cheers the drone program abroad so he can get credit for “speaking against the use of drones” without actually speaking out against drones.

I don't remember im cheering any drone attacks overseas.

I think it is a good position to say to be against any and all weaponized attacks in America. Save something spectacular. Which i'm sure Rand would agree with. Something spectacular as in undefined. But it stinks like a democrat so you will know it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-07   23:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Gatlin (#6)

It’s not just me, others on the right are hitting Rand Paul over inconsistencies between his past and present policies. Ann Coulter to Rand Paul: ‘Just pick a position.’

Ann Coulter is a stupid bitch. I don't care what she thinks.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-07   23:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#11) (Edited)

Ann Coulter is a stupid bitch. I don't care what she thinks.

She could have the same opinion about you....if she knew you.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-07   23:45:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Gatlin (#12)

She could have the same opinion about you....if she knew you.

Come on. "could". You should have said "would". And that is ok.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-04-07   23:49:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#13) (Edited)

She could have the same opinion about you....if she knew you.

Come on. "could". You should have said "would". And that is ok.

I give you the benefit of doubt....see how objective I really am.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-07   23:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#5)

Is it your honest opinion that that is Gatlins motive? Because i'm not sure that is so.

He sounds like every other freeper upset Paul is not pro Neocon enough. Most of the anti Paul conservatives are such because of the foreign policy issues.

Pericles  posted on  2015-04-07   23:53:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#7)

… Now show me the examples.

No! I choose not to devote additional time for that. If what I gave you wasn’t enough, then I feel nothing will be.

I had rather now spend time sharing with you three things I feel he is correct on.

  • He wants to simplify the tax code, eliminate the estate, gift and investment taxes by way of a “flat tax.”

  • He wants the economy to run on American gas, oil and coal….he will call for more government-owned land to be open for drilling.

  • He wants to eliminate the departments of education, commerce, housing and energy (although I know that is a never to happen pipe dream….I support the idea).

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-08   2:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#10)

And there was the drone issue. He raises hell over the prospect of any weaponized drone attacks in America while he cheers the drone program abroad so he can get credit for “speaking against the use of drones” without actually speaking out against drones.

I don't remember (h)im cheering any drone attacks overseas.

If you find my use of the word “cheer” is too strong, perhaps you will accept the term “talks up.”

Rand Paul talks up possible drone strikes

There is a contingent on the left that agrees with Sen. Rand Paul (R- Ky.), his party and general worldview notwithstanding, because of his position on one important issue: the use of drone strikes as part of the U.S. national security policy.

It was the Obama administration’s use of drones, for example, that sparked Rand Paul’s 13-hour speech on the Senate floor last year. Two months later, the Kentucky Republican said drone strikes as part of a counter-terrorism policy are at odds with the American system of due process. More recently, the senator railed against a presidential judicial nominee, again over drones. launching drone strikes.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) late Tuesday said if the United States discovered any of the released Guantanamo Bay prisoners were planning a terrorist attack, “there would be a drone with their name on it.”

On Fox News’s “Your World with Neil Cavuto,” Paul was asked if he advocates tracking them down and killing them if they plot against the U.S. “I would say that there would be a drone with their name on it,” replied Paul, who has been somewhat critical of portions of President Obama’s drone program.

Well, that’s not quite what Paul’s supporters expected to hear.

This isn’t the first time the GOP senator has strayed from his own talking points. Last April, also during an interview with Fox’s Cavuto, Paul said he’s comfortable with the executive branch having the authority to use drones on Americans over U.S. soil if an administration perceives an “imminent threat.” Paul even went so far as to say, “If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and 50 dollars in cash, I don’t care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him.”

But yesterday’s rhetoric seemed especially out of place given all of the senator’s recent posturing on the issue of drone strikes, and raises some important questions about Paul’s actual beliefs.

It’s possible, for example, that the Kentucky Republican is starting to engage in some chest-thumping, there-would-be-a-drone-with- their-name-on-it “tough” talk in order to impress his party establishment. As Paul gears up for a national campaign, he’s no doubt aware of the fact that many Republicans reject his foreign policy vision and fear his general preference for isolationism.

In other words, maybe the senator is starting to talk more like the typical Republican, talking up things like drone strikes during Fox News interviews, to make himself more appealing to his intra-party critics.

But let’s also not discount the possibility that Rand Paul doesn’t fully understand the issues he claims to care the most about. This applies to drones, but it’s not the only issue that has recently tripped up the senator.

[…]

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rand-paul-talks- possible-drone-strikes.

I think it is a good position to say to be against any and all weaponized attacks in America. Save something spectacular. Which i'm sure Rand would agree with…

It is really hard to say what Rand agrees or disagrees with since his positions are constantly changing.

[…]

This is not the first time Senator Paul has been in favor of using drones following his filibuster. Not even a month after his speech, Senator Paul said he would be OK with the use of drones on American soil against violent criminals.

“If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and fifty dollars in cash,” says Paul in an interview with Fox News previously, “I don’t care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him.”

Senator Paul also took time to criticize President Obama’s decision surrounding the prisoner exchange. The senator, who is aspiring for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016, said he could never imagine a circumstance in which he would engage in open trade with enemy forces.

http://benswann.com/senator-rand-paul-warns-of-drone-strikes-on- taliban/.

WHOA….let’s read again what Rand said. I even looked up the entire quote so it would not be said to have been taken out of context:

“I’ve never argued against any technology being used when you have an imminent threat, an active crime going on. If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and fifty dollars in cash, I don’t care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him,” Paul told host Neil Cavuto. “It’s different if they want to come fly over your hot tub or your yard just because they want to do surveillance on everyone and they want to watch your activities.” [Boldness Added]

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/paul- defends- himself-against-drone-backlash-90656.html#ixzz3WhZUXTIm

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-08   4:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pericles, A K A Stone (#15)

Is it your honest opinion that that is Gatlins motive? Because i'm not sure that is so.

He sounds like every other freeper upset Paul is not pro Neocon enough. Most of the anti Paul conservatives are such because of the foreign policy issues.

“I often wonder why the whole world is so prone to generalise. Generalisations are seldom if ever true and are usually utterly inaccurate.” ― Agatha Christie.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-08   4:23:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#9)

He is the one most likely to follow through on eliminating the surveillance state.

I know that he said:

To defend our country, we do need to gather intelligence on the enemy. But when the intelligence director is not punished for lying under oath, how are we to trust our government agencies?

Warrantless searches of Americans’ phones and computer records are un- American and a threat to our civil liberties.

I say that your phone records are yours. I say the phone records of law- abiding citizens are none of their damn business.

I agree with what he said.

What makes you think he is the “one most likely to follow through on eliminating the surveillance state?”

You have stated an opinion, can you give a specific reason. Please. ;-)

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-08   4:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone, Pericles (#5)

They want to make sure the GOP is a reliable supporter of the Military Industrial Complex and Neocon interventions.

Is it your honest opinion that that is Gatlins motive? Because i'm not sure that is so.

You can be assured that it is not so.

In truth, I neither hold nor promote any neocon ascendancy and I do not harbor an insidious intent to wage any preemptive wars across the globe.

Any belief that expresses such an assumption I do is a baseless exaggerated concoction.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-08   5:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin (#20)

Does that mean you are no longer a fan of John McCain?

Didn't you support him in his last attempt at the White House?

We used to be a land where we gave up our lives to protect our freedom. Now we give up our freedom to protect our lives.

We The People  posted on  2015-04-08   6:20:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: We The People (#21)

Does that mean you are no longer a fan of John McCain?

Speaking of which: did you notice that the Stain just had to pick the day that Rand was announcing to make his own "Me too" announcement?

Pathetic. What a troll.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-04-08   9:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: We The People (#21) (Edited)

Does that mean you are no longer a fan of John McCain?

Didn't you support him in his last attempt at the White House?

I voted for JD Hayworth in the Primary. I have posted more than once that I voted for the Democrat opponent (Geeze, I can't even remember his name) running against McCain in the General.

I did vote for McCain in the general election for POTUS, as I will vote for any Republican against a Democrat for President. If Rand Paul is the nominee, I will even hold my nose and vote for him against the Democrat.

Voting for McCain against Obama doesn't make me a neocon....and voting for Romney against Obama dosen't make me a Mormon.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-08   10:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#20)

I don't like economic libertarianism (I use dto be one) these days but I do support the libertarian view on military interventions. Of all the candidates, Rand Paul seems the closest to my world view and thus I will support him - despite areas where we disagree. I don't get Gatlin's points about Paul at all - maybe if there was an alternative. If Gatlin is not a Neocon/interventionist I deeply apologize for calling him that based on that assumtion.

Pericles  posted on  2015-04-08   10:49:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Gatlin (#23)

Great answer. Good for you. I've been out of the forum loop so I wasn't aware of any of that.

We used to be a land where we gave up our lives to protect our freedom. Now we give up our freedom to protect our lives.

We The People  posted on  2015-04-12   10:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: TooConservative (#22)

Speaking of which: did you notice that the Stain just had to pick the day that Rand was announcing to make his own "Me too" announcement?

Pathetic. What a troll.

I did not notice that. Wow, what a puke.

Good to see you're still around TC.

We used to be a land where we gave up our lives to protect our freedom. Now we give up our freedom to protect our lives.

We The People  posted on  2015-04-12   10:34:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Gatlin (#23)

Rand Paul is the nominee, I will even hold my nose and vote for him against the Democrat.

I will hold it for you, Gatlin. Don't make me travel to Arizona before I'm ready to move. lol

Rand ~ 2016

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-12   10:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: GrandIsland (#27)

Are you moving to Arizona?

We used to be a land where we gave up our lives to protect our freedom. Now we give up our freedom to protect our lives.

We The People  posted on  2015-04-12   10:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#27)

Rand ~ 2016

I like the way Rand jumps down the throats of the media whores. I know he is getting some bad press for his flare ups, but it is high time we had someone who is not afraid to speak their mind and do it with firmness. Rand is third down on my list....after Walker and Cruz. I am willing to give Rubio a chance, but I have not been impressed with him thus far in his political career.

I don't have much time for posting these days, but I read your comments when I can. I continue to be impressed with the way you handle yourself on the threads. Keep up the good work....I know you will.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-04-12   18:30:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: We The People (#28)

Are you moving to Arizona?

After I'm finished updating this Pa home and I flip it... my wife and I are Arizona bound. About another 3-4 years

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-12   19:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Gatlin (#29)

I don't have much time for posting these days, but I read your comments when I can. I continue to be impressed with the way you handle yourself on the threads. Keep up the good work....I know you will.

Thanks, Gatlin.

I was lucky to post at all today. I was busy putting up a fence on one side of my back yard.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-04-12   22:19:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GrandIsland (#30)

Nice. Good for you.

We used to be a land where we gave up our lives to protect our freedom. Now we give up our freedom to protect our lives.

We The People  posted on  2015-04-15   18:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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