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Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: 'Unrepentant Nazi Murderer' Dies a Free Man at 93 Source: Newser URL Source: http://www.newser.com/story/204760/ ... rer-dies-a-free-man-at-93.html Published: Mar 31, 2015 Author: Rob Quinn Post Date: 2015-03-31 07:58:56 by GeorgiaConservative Keywords: germany, sorenkam, wwii Views: 2344 Comments: 21 In what Denmark's chief Nazi hunter calls a "terrible failure of the Bavarian judicial authorities," the country's most-wanted Nazi has died a free man at the age of 93. Soren Kam, one of the highest-profile Danish Nazis during World War II, was wanted in his homeland for the 1943 kidnap and murder of anti-Nazi newspaper editor Carl Henrik Clemmensen, the Copenhagen Post reports. He fled to Germany after the war and the country refused to extradite him back to Denmark after he was granted citizenship in 1956. Kam—who died on March 23, around two weeks after his wife, according to a death notice—also fought on the Eastern Front with the Waffen SS and was granted the Knight's Cross medal by Adolf Hitler in 1945. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 14. #1. To: GeorgiaConservative (#0) It's been over 50 years. If we were attentive to our duties, the Jubilee would have released the liability to men for this crime. He is now in the hands of God, who judges men by their deeds. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-31   8:02:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Vicomte13 (#1) It's been over 50 years. Over 70. Math still matters... Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-31   8:13:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: TooConservative (#3) (Edited) Over 70. Math still matters... The 50 is the key, because 50 years is the Jubilee, when the horn is sounded and all are freed of their obligations, pardoned, slaves released, etc. The Jubilee is not optional. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-31   8:18:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Vicomte13 (#5) The 50 is the key, because 50 years is the Jubilee, when the horn is sounded and all are freed of their obligations, pardoned, slaves released, etc. The Jubilee is not optional. None those involved in the prosecution or the alleged perp were Jews. I know you love your pet theories about a continuation of the Old Covenant but it doesn't hold any water. Not that this is a thread to debate it. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-31   8:21:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: TooConservative (#6) Your Opinion: "Waiting 70 years to bring "justice" to geriatric Nazis is daft. These cases are little more than an exercise in smug self-righteousness." My opinion: 50 years is, by divine example, the proper statute of limitations on everything. Your opinion: know you love your pet theories about a continuation of the Old Covenant but it doesn't hold any water. Not that this is a thread to debate it. My opinion: In other words - you can state your opinion, but I am not supposed to state mine. Got it. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-31   8:45:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Vicomte13 (#8) My opinion: In other words - you can state your opinion, but I am not supposed to state mine. Got it. Sounds good. The Jubilee year is the year at the end of seven cycles of shmita (Sabbatical years), and according to Biblical regulations had a special impact on the ownership and management of land in the Land of Israel; there is some debate whether it was the 49th year (the last year of seven sabbatical cycles, referred to as the Sabbath's Sabbath), or whether it was the following (50th) year. Jubilee deals largely with land, property, and property rights. According to Leviticus, slaves and prisoners would be freed, debts would be forgiven and the mercies of God would be particularly manifest. Leviticus 25:8-13 states: "And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field. In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession." The biblical rules concerning Sabbatical years (shmita) are still observed by many religious Jews in the State of Israel, but the regulations for the Jubilee year have not been observed for many centuries. According to the Torah observance of Jubilee only applies when the Jewish people live in the land of Israel according to their tribes. Thus, with the exile of the tribes of Reuben, Gad, and Menashe (about 600 BCE) Jubilee has not been applicable. I think the Jubilee had to be every 49th year. Not 50th. 50 makes no sense. In addition, Jubilee does not apply to non-Jews and never was applied outside the historical kingdoms of Israel. I see no mentions that capital crimes (murder) were granted any statute of limitations, something I would think would register with you as you post constantly about the unique status of murder as the gravest sin. Also, I'll point out that half of all slaves would serve 25 years or more under such a system. And many, if not most, would die in slavery, given the short life expectancy of the era. I'm not sure why you, of all people, would find that admirable in any way. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-31   10:11:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: TooConservative (#9) Also, I'll point out that half of all slaves would serve 25 years or more under such a system. And many, if not most, would die in slavery, given the short life expectancy of the era. I'm not sure why you, of all people, would find that admirable in any way. Because Hebrews could not be kept as slave. So the only slaves there were, legally, were foreigners bought for money or prisoner's of war. And any one of them could, of his own volition, convert to the worship of the One True God, YHWH, at any time. The slaveowner was not the master of the slave's conscience and had no power to prevent a conversion. By conversion, the slave was freed from slavery: Hebrews could not be slaves. So, under the law, the only slaves in Israel were new arrivals who had not had a chance to hear the word of the Lord yet. But once those who had, heard it, they could convert. If they CHOSE not to follow the Lord even when they had the chance, if they CHOSE, instead, to remain loyal to Satan and to idols, then they were already slaves of the spirit, and should not be generally freed into Israelite society, where they might cause damage to the faith and morals. Convert and be free. Stubbornly remain allied with Satan, and remain in chains. It makes perfect sense to me. Freedom is an inducement, held out by God, so that the foreign slave and captive will hearken to God and hear the message, and thereby obtain freedom from bondage. Stubbornly reject God, and remain in slavery - to Satan and to your human master, for your own good and the good of the whole people. However, God is merciful, and even the stubborn idolator has the hope of freedom, as a pure gift from God, in the Jubilee. The Jubilee also served to release Israelites from debts to each other, and to the law - a wiping clean of the slate completely, so that all could start over. Even foreign slaves. Of course I uphold such a system. I think it's divinely brilliant in its logic and wisdom, and incentives. I think that men must be cut off, by law, from seeking revenge - or justice - for other men. There comes a point for the repose of mankind - that the justice must be left entirely to God. If you're holding a grudge past the Jubilee, and refusing to cease prosecution like a Javert, you lack faith in God's justice. AND you're breaking God's law yourself. The Jubilee is desperately needed. Slick the records, relax the debts, free the prisoners and forgive transgressions. Just EXACTLY what we want Jesus to do for us, God demanded of the Israelites from each other. The Jubilee is a visible sign of what we call Christ's justification of sinners. Through the free gift of God, ALL are released in the Jubilee - and that means that you, man, may not continue to hold YOUR grudge and demand YOUR debt after the Jubilee, for justice is God's alone at that point. It's a good system. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-31   11:01:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Vicomte13 (#11) (Edited) And any one of them could, of his own volition, convert to the worship of the One True God, YHWH, at any time. The slaveowner was not the master of the slave's conscience and had no power to prevent a conversion. By conversion, the slave was freed from slavery: Hebrews could not be slaves. Circumcision remained a solid barrier to conversion, even from slavery. But, as you pointed out, this is not germane - in your opinion - to this topic, so I will no longer discuss it on this thread. And yet, no one (including Jews) have thought it was germane for the last 2600 years. Just you. Get back to me when the Knesset or Sanhedrin restores the Jubilee. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-31   11:20:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: TooConservative (#12) Circumcision remained a solid barrier to conversion, even from slavery. Slaves bought for money had to be circumcised. As far as it being a barrier for the POW, it was a barrier to the extent that the POW slave did not wish to be circumcised. Obviously a conversion is not real if you're not willing to be circumcised, so circumcision was a barrier for conquered enemies to pretend to convert. It wasn't a barrier for bought slaves, though, because they had to be circumcised. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-31   11:26:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Vicomte13 (#13) At the risk of discussing something relevant, can you cite any application of the Jubilee laws in the last 2600 years? Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-31   11:38:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 14. #16. To: TooConservative (#14) At the risk of discussing something relevant, can you cite any application of the Jubilee laws in the last 2600 years? 7 year forgiveness in Bankruptcy. And of course Jesus' whole ministry and promise. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-03-31 12:31:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 14. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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