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Title: 'I'm planning a heinous act that will be remembered forever': Killer pilot's ex-girlfriend says he shared chilling prophecy before Alps crash and woke up from nightmares shouting 'we're going down'
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URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... mares-shouting-going-down.html
Published: Mar 27, 2015
Author: David Williams and Sam Marsden and Tom K
Post Date: 2015-03-27 22:51:41 by out damned spot
Keywords: Lubitz, girl friend, crash
Views: 15091
Comments: 88

*Andreas Lubitz told former girlfriend he was planning an act so horrifying his name would be remembered forever

*He was a master of hiding his darkest thoughts and frightened his former lover so much she decided to leave him

*Startling revelations add weight to claims the pilot concealed medical condition that should have stopped him flying

*Comes after it emerged Lubitz should have been off sick on day he deliberately crashed plane into mountainside

*Torn-up sick notes have been found in 27-year-old's flat which showed he had hidden extent of illness from airline

Killer pilot Andreas Lubitz told his ex-girlfriend he was planning an act so heinous his name would be remembered for ever, it was sensationally claimed last night.

Lubitz was a tormented, erratic man who was a master of hiding his darkest thoughts and would wake up from nightmares screaming ‘we’re going down’, his former partner said.

She revealed to a German newspaper how Lubitz ominously told her last year: ‘One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it.’

When she heard about the crash of Germanwings Flight 4U9525 on Tuesday, she remembered Lubitz’s menacing prophecy. ‘I never knew what he meant, but now it makes sense,’ she told Bild.

His personal problems and erratic behaviour was so severe that she was frightened and decided to leave him.

She added: ‘When I heard about the crash, there was just a tape playing in my head of what he said, “One day I will do something that will change the system and everyone will then know my name and remember me”.

‘I did not know what he meant by that at the time, but now it’s clear.’

Police will want to interview the unnamed former girlfriend in detail about the pilot’s state of mind. The couple had been together for seven years and lived in a smart flat on the outskirts of Dusseldorf. One report claimed they were engaged and planned to marry next year.

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#37. To: TooConservative, jeremiad (#7)

Maybe she did tell someone else and it hasn't come out yet. Usually, a girl will tell friends or family the reasons if she breaks off an engagement.

In this case, there's a HUGE problem. IF she did, you can bet that this case is so sensitive and meme so fragile, that ANY one who was privy to their relationship, OR Lubitz, is being given the 0bola-treatment (OR, threatened with the 0bola-associate treatment. That no friends and associates have spoken either about these two OR their SEVEN year-long relationship to any investigative reporters publicly is....more than odd.

Her coming forward with this story doesn't exactly cover her in glory.

I believe it's totally under duress. Especially from my perspective that she "knows too much" and may even be intimately involved somehow. I mean as a possible reported Muslim GF and convert herself. (MY theory, mind you.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-28   16:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Liberator (#37)

agreed, something is rotten in Denmark.

jeremiad  posted on  2015-03-28   16:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Vicomte13 (#21)

The only real question was whether he ever had much of a chance to BE a white pawn. Was he baptized? Was he taught anything about God?

He may have once believed in the God of Abraham; May even have been baptised when he was an infant (but how would no memory of that help him as an adult whose moral compass was broken?)

That said, the authoritahs have still as far as I know decided that Lubitz' religion (or conversion to Islam) is immaterial at this point in time.

Did God simply giver Andreas up to death in his sins? Evidently yes.

Agreed.

Crime spirals out of control when seculars, sodden with sex and drugs, actively suppress the remaining religious and moral laws of society, because the religious, in their doubts, unilaterally disarm.

Net result: lots more possessed people, and lots more insane people covered with demons who kill themselves and everybody else.

Pretty much the dynamic, isn't it? Possession.

And because many people only consider "demon possession" a figment of Hollywood, invisible, and thus unworthy of being taken seriously, they naturally disbelieve demons exist (except in the plethora of Tee-Bee shows and movies saturated with glorified themes of demonic activity and power.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-28   16:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: jeremiad (#38)

The Elites got together...and quashed this ASAP.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-28   16:29:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Liberator (#33) (Edited)

Let's put to rest all that nonsense on any speculative presumption or sources that Lubitz attended a Mosque, converted to Islam

Not buying the muslim terrorist angle here. There has been no credible evidence that would point to this as a terrorist act.

The so-called muslim conversion was based on speculation. In fact it can not be even be proven that he visited a mosque. He was in the same city where there was a mosque which was being investigated - that's it. And it was 6 years ago.

There was no written or vocal expression on the part of the pilot saying he was doing this for allah. And nothing on his Facebook page.

Sometimes crazy people do crazy things.

The Evidence That the Germanwings Copilot Was Muslim Is Sketchy as Hell

Gateway Pundit writes, "A German news website claims Andreas Lubitz was a Muslim convert. Speisa.com reported: 'According to Michael Mannheimer, a writer for German PI-News, Germany now has its own 9/11, thanks to the convert to Islam, Andreas Lubitz.'"

It also cites "the comments at German PI"—on a story about Lubitz that mentions nothing about Muslims, Islam, or IS—as a source for the claim that "Andreas Lubitz was Muslim convert from his Facebook page."

"PI" is a site called Politically Incorrect News, which is not exactly Der Spiegel, and they didn't even run a story about Lubitz's supposed conversion to Islam. That story came from PI-News blogger Michael Mannheimer's personal website, where he put together the following information:

  • Lubitz trained as a pilot in Bremen, which is also the home of a mosque that was investigated in December for alleged supporting the Islamic State. (This is true, according to Der Spiegel.)
  • Lubitz took a few months off at one point before returning to work and getting recertified to fly. (This is also true: Lufthansa CEO Carsten Spohr confirmed that Lubitz "took a break in his training six years ago. Then he did the tests again. And he was deemed fit to fly.")

From these two data points—a mosque recently under investigation and a break Lubitz took six years ago—Mannheimer concluded (and this is roughly translated from the German by Google): "Probably Lubitz converted to Islam during this interruption."

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-03-28   16:51:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Deckard, Liberator (#41)

I have no problem blaming Muslims but you have to show evidence of some Islam. Not these sketchy rumors from marginal blog sites no one ever heard of.

Gateway Pundit writes, "A German news website claims Andreas Lubitz was a Muslim convert.

Is there any scammy story that Gateway Pundit won't flack? They have zero credibility and a bad track record for rumormongering.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-28   17:20:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Liberator (#35)

I'll give you that premise. But by "spiritualism," do you mean in the context of a "loss" of discerning right and wrong, good from evil?....Or am I misrepresenting your gist?

I am talking about how humans used to deal with mental issues before medical science - they must have had a priest or a shaman or some such to turn to. I am not a luddite - I support modern medicine but for the human mind we are still at the primitive medical stage - like when biological medicine was cutting off limbs that had compound fractures and not knowing there were things like germs.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-28   17:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Liberator (#34)

So...willl the authoritahs ever divulge Lubitz' religion?

The main surprise would be if a German had any religion at all.

It has to be 10% or less of Germans who are religious in any way.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-29   0:49:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: TooConservative (#44)

The main surprise would be if a German had any religion at all.

It has to be 10% or less of Germans who are religious in any way.

That is what I was getting at - does the lack of a spiritual culture increase mental illness?

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-29   0:58:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Pericles (#45)

That is what I was getting at - does the lack of a spiritual culture increase mental illness?

Probably a bootless argument.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-29   1:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Deckard, TooConservative (#41) (Edited)

Not buying the muslim terrorist angle here. There has been no credible evidence that would point to this as a terrorist act.

The "evidence" is circumstantial, based on the statistical rate and profiling of these kinds cases of "terrorism": Muslim, 99% of the time; As well as the initial reports, attributed by some as been invented by some as a k00ky, discredited website (as though our gubmint spokesmen, CNN, and the NYT are bastions of truth.)

Any "hearsay" of Lubitz' purported Muzzie background of dabbling and personal history at this point is predictably tamped down by the PTB as well. I'm merely connecting the dots and truth that the PTB regard as toxic, and their ability to create whatever narrative and alternative "evidence" it is they wish to create.

There was no written or vocal expression on the part of the pilot saying he was doing this for allah. And nothing on his Facebook page.

The Facebook page was immediately pulled. Screaming "Allahu Akbar!! isn't necessarily requisite, is it?

I find it unbelievably naive to believe this airline would allow Lubitz to be a co-pilot in his fragile, mentally ill state of mind -- supposedly documented to the nines. Does THIS angle really make any sense??

From these two data points—a mosque recently under investigation and a break Lubitz took six years ago—Mannheimer concluded (and this is roughly translated from the German by Google): "Probably Lubitz converted to Islam during this interruption."

As though Google, Facebook, and the "investigators" can be trusted NOT to re-invent history? The big crisis today: CGI or Holodeck versions of "history," "facts," and "news." The credibly of institutions is so discredited these days, that all one really has left is their own discernment of the truth.

The ol' Matrix Red Pill, Blue Pill conundrum is where we've been at since 9/11.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   13:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Liberator, Deckard (#47)

The ol' Matrix Red Pill, Blue Pill conundrum is where we've been at since 9/11.

You kinda have a kneejerk habit of immediately rejecting any explanation of any news event with some homespun conspiracy theory.

It's an oppositional-defiance disorder.

The rest of us really aren't that stupid and you aren't that smart.

Come on, if you can't sell a conspiracy theory to Deckard, you're really off in the weeds all by yourself. In your mind, that must make your CT the most Truthy ever.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-29   13:29:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: TooConservative, Deckard (#48) (Edited)

You kinda have a kneejerk habit of immediately rejecting any explanation of any news event with some homespun conspiracy theory.

Yes, I admittedly I have a "kneejerk habit of immediately rejecting any explanation of any news event" spun by the PTB's spinmeisters that usually create an alternative explanation in hopes of shielding Islam, certain Presidents from scrutiny, and the New World Order/Agenda 21 plan.

The rest of us really aren't that stupid and you aren't that smart.

Don't fret; I don't regard you as "stupid" -- just naive and prone to a mentality that automatically accepts whatever "official" narrative tossed your way. I consider this phenomena a Stockholm Syndrome off-shoot. In your defense, it's understandable that most people would rather not consider just how much of a lie the "official" narratives are these days -- including of course the 9/11 narrative, 0bola's Manchurian life, and the JFK "single bullet/sniper" myth.

Come on, if you can't sell a conspiracy theory to Deckard, you're really off in the weeds all by yourself. In your mind, that must make your CT the most Truthy ever.

I know -- it's odd that Deckard is buying the "Official Report" right out of the shoot. Who bought him off??

;-)

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   13:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Liberator (#47)

Like I said - sometimes crazy people do crazy things.

There is no credible evidence that this was a muslim terrorist act, no mater how desperately you want it to be so.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-03-29   13:51:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#49) (Edited)

I know -- it's odd that Deckard is buying the "Official Report" right out of the shoot.

All I am saying is that the facts have not been convincing enough to prove that the pilot was a muslim, let alone a terrorist.

All the evidence is pure speculation at this point.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-03-29   13:53:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: TooConservative (#48)

Come on, if you can't sell a conspiracy theory to Deckard, you're really off in the weeds all by yourself.

There just isn't enough credible evidence at this point to call this a muslim terrorist act.

Sure, maybe I am usually one of the first to jump on the "conspiracy" train, but in this case I'm not buying the muslim terrorist story.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-03-29   13:59:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Deckard (#52)

What's Michael Rivero's take on this? He always comes up with an alternative version on events. I think I'll go check his site right now.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-03-29   14:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Deckard, TooConservative (#50)

There is no credible evidence that this was a muslim terrorist act, no mater how desperately you want it to be so.

Not desperate at all for the Muzzie sandal to fall off -- I know it's not coming.

But is it really "crazy" to note that all these purposely crashed planes just happen to be tied to Islamists?

The authorites went in exactly the direction I thought; Backed up this guy's "craziness" with the yarn about his mental illness, validated it with some "surprise evidence" of torn up mental health status reports (that didn't stop Lubitz from co-piloting planes), as well as the fiancee's confirmation that, yes, he WAS "crazy."

(No news on the religion of Lubitz yet?? Lol...of course not)

All the evidence is pure speculation at this point.

Guess what? Any rejection of the 9/11 Official Report and presumption of alternative narratives still remain "speculation" as well.

I think we can agree with this: The major media and world gubmint(s) have ZERO credibility. And a NWO/subversive agenda supersedes ANY need for the truth or justice.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   14:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Liberator (#54) (Edited)

But is it really "crazy" to note that all these purposely crashed planes just happen to be tied to Islamists?

That may be true in other cases - not here however.

Germanwings Co-Pilot Andreas Lubitz Appears to Have Deliberately Crashed Plane

With the plane markedly in descent, the captain can be heard knocking on the cockpit door. That sound swelled into frantic banging as the plane neared alpine peaks, setting off audible alarms.

“The most plausible interpretation for us is that the co-pilot deliberately refused to open the cockpit door to the captain,” Mr. Robin said.

Amid the cacophony, Mr. Lubitz remained silent, the prosecutor said. The only sound coming from the co-pilot, Mr. Robin said, was his breathing. The prosecutor marveled at how it didn’t waver as the A320 entered the final stages of its collision course.

“He didn’t say a single word,” Mr. Robin said, adding: “It’s not the breathing of someone who is having a heart attack.”

Seems to me that if the guy was indeed a muslim, there would be prayers or an "allah akbar" or two audible.

I think we can agree with this: The major media and world gubmint(s) have ZERO credibility.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

And a NWO/subversive agenda supersedes ANY need for the truth or justice.

I hardly think that this was all orchestrated by the NWO for their agenda. He was no doubt on some type of anti-depressant drugs, he was mentally unstable.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-03-29   14:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Deckard (#52) (Edited)

Sure, maybe I am usually one of the first to jump on the "conspiracy" train

Maybe?

lol

Ps... sorry, couldn't resist. I'm not trying to stir shit up. Honest.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-29   14:23:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Deckard, liberator (#55) (Edited)

Seems to me that if the guy was indeed a muslim, there would be prayers or an "allah akbar" or two audible.

If ISIS could score a victory this sweet, meaning 200 plus lives in a single terroristic act, they would have left enough evidence, To be found after the fact, to be claimed by them after its discovered.

You can't stir up "terror", as a "terrorist", if you make people guess who done it. lol

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-29   14:28:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Liberator, TooConservative, AKA Stone (#54)

OK, I did find one thing interesting, but as far as I can tell, it's just one guy who put up a Facebook page for the pilot, Andreas Lubitz.

andreas lubitz honored as martyr on facebook

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-03-29   14:32:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: GrandIsland (#57)

You can't stir up "terror", as a "terrorist", if you make people guess who done it. lol

Kinda defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-29   16:03:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Deckard (#55)

The most plausible interpretation for us is that the co-pilot deliberately refused to open the cockpit door to the captain,” Mr. Robin said.

Amid the cacophony, Mr. Lubitz remained silent, the prosecutor said. The only sound coming from the co-pilot, Mr. Robin said, was his breathing. The prosecutor marveled at how it didn’t waver as the A320 entered the final stages of its collision course.

“He didn’t say a single word,” Mr. Robin said, adding: “It’s not the breathing of someone who is having a heart attack.”

Seems to me that if the guy was indeed a muslim, there would be prayers or an "allah akbar" or two audible.

Yes, I've read all the "Official Reports"....which aren't too detailed other than parroting the same old, "darkly disturbed" meme.

I don't know if the lack of any audible "ALAHU AKBAR!!" chants serves as litmus test of a Muslim zealotry. Lubitz' style was more internal, obviously. Mr. Robin may have marveled at Lubitz' sedate, controlled breathing, but that is easily accountable as the result of plenty of Xanax or Valium that he may have been prescribed for his mental condition (as well as the eternal assurance of 72 virgins-in-waiting.)

Confirmation of his religious affiliation IS indeed relevant and was too easily and initially dismissed otherwise. WHY is it deemed unimportant?? IF this heinous act was the portrayal of a "suicidal" maniac, then what is the motivation? "Just crazy" isn't nearly enough for the analytical skeptic.

Was he a Satanist? Was he into the the Occult? Who was he "offended" by so much that 149 other people would satisfy his blood-lust? The guy was an avenger. But for what or whom? Just plain "crazy" doesn't premeditated plan the wholesale slaughter like this. Someone with an ideology *does.* Could one could make the case that Lubitz was either a Muslim...OR, Satanist?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Sure. But am I to understand you now suddenly believe in a new matrix of authenticity and credibility of the major media and as well as world gubmint(s)? As well as their motivation to tell us THE truth? Ooo-kay. You've "evolved"!

I hardly think that this was all orchestrated by the NWO for their agenda. He was no doubt on some type of anti-depressant drugs, he was mentally unstable.

The NWO and PTB have orchestrated the cover-ups of lesser political/international problems. They do not want the Islamic Chaos Machine shutting down in Europe quite so soon. Were it revealed that Lubitz was a converted Muslim, the green-shoots of growing European nationalism and sovereignty might be seriously derailed. The damage inflicted by a strong, growing Islamic-Europe provides the same under-reported, but effective degree of chaos, demo-disruption, and excuse for a Central Police State that militant Mexican/Black/leftist-anarchists bring to the US.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Except when it's in Bubba's hand.

;-)

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   16:27:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#56) (Edited)

Sure, maybe I am usually one of the first to jump on the "conspiracy" train

Maybe? lol

Ps... sorry, couldn't resist. I'm not trying to stir shit up. Honest.

And usually, *I'm* riding shotgun with the guy.

Just for that, I'm going to find and post a 'Po-Po Taze Dangerous Beagle Puppy, Then Cap Its Azz' A Dozen Times -- And Laugh Over Cold Ones Afterward' story.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   16:33:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#57)

If ISIS could score a victory this sweet, meaning 200 plus lives in a single terroristic act, they would have left enough evidence, To be found after the fact, to be claimed by them after its discovered.

Negative. Any evidence would necessarily be buried; When the initial reports emerged that Lubitz was a Muslim, the sh*t was really about to hit the fan. HARD. It got shut down in a flash, while the "crazy" meme was activated even faster.

This kind of PR would be reeeealy bad for both Euro-Muzzies, as well as the NWO Euro-Leaders who've been usurping the rights of its Europeans brethren, importing these barbarians, and hanging their own out to dry.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   16:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Deckard (#58)

There are dual stories about TWO different Facebook sites having been up. The original was removed almost immediately. Always a red flag to me when the trail of crumbs to the Mother Lode is removed.

The more confusion reigns, the more people lose interest and become disinterested.

It'll be interesting to follow just how much interest the media and interweb show in this guy and case during this coming week. Will any new personal details, or personal interviews be conducted with family, friends, associates, and Lubitz' hard drive?

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   16:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Liberator (#54)

The authorites went in exactly the direction I thought; Backed up this guy's "craziness" with the yarn about his mental illness, validated it with some "surprise evidence" of torn up mental health status reports (that didn't stop Lubitz from co-piloting planes), as well as the fiancee's confirmation that, yes, he WAS "crazy."

The "surprise evidence" are the torn-up results of tests done with two different ophthalmologists who he had consulted for his increasingly blurry vision due to a torn cornea. It was almost certainly going to end his career as a pilot when he took his next annual first-class physical. Vision and cardiac head the list of tests on these flight physicals.

Apparently there was quite a haul of different anti-depressant meds confiscated from his apartment.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-29   16:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Deckard (#58)

The Facebook page for Andrea Lubitz Fans might be pranksters. Or it might be CIA dangling some bait to see who hits the Like button or posts on it. We know that Creepbook cooperates fully with CIA and other intel operations around the world. Just like Google and Apple do.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-29   16:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Liberator, GrandIsland, TooConservative (#62) (Edited)

When the initial reports emerged that Lubitz was a Muslim, the sh*t was really about to hit the fan.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that those "initial reports" were based on the musings of one individual on a personal blog site.

The author put two and two together and came up with 5.

The pilot was trained in a city (Bremen) where there exists a mosque that has recently been under investigation.

He took a break from his job six years ago.

And from those two pieces of "evidence" the author concluded that gosh, by golly - Andreas Lubitz MUST be a muslim terrorist.

Look I have as much disdain for the MSM as anyone, but from what I have seen so far, there is really no solid evidence that points to this as a terrorist act.

What Grand Island said was true. (I can't believe I just typed that)

There's really no point to committing a terrorist act if no one knows that it is one.

I'm not saying you are wrong Lib - I just need more information other than some sketchy circumstantial evidence posted on someone's blog.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-03-29   16:59:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: TooConservative (#65)

The Facebook page for Andrea Lubitz Fans might be pranksters. Or it might be CIA dangling some bait to see who hits the Like button or posts on it. We know that Creepbook cooperates fully with CIA and other intel operations around the world.

Good reason not to open the actual page.

I'm on too many government "lists" as it is.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-03-29   17:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Deckard, GrandIsland (#66)

What Grand Island said was true. (I can't believe I just typed that)

Bookmarked forever! LOL

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-29   17:12:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Liberator (#62)

Any evidence would necessarily be buried;

I was talking about in his home. They searched his house.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-29   17:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: TooConservative (#68)

Bookmarked forever!

Ha ha...

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-29   17:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Deckard, GrandIsland, TooConservative, ALL (#66)

What Grand Island said was true. (I can't believe I just typed that)

There's really no point to committing a terrorist act if no one knows that it is one.

You're riding shotgun with GI now?? Lol...

Plane. Locked pilot cabin. Mountain. Mass Murder.

You really don't believe there's no "signature" to this? Occam’s Razor applies. IN SPADES.

Btw, no, I'm not ignoring the author's 2+2=5 initial reports...

But what I will continue NOT to believe is that even IF the Lubitz' Bremen training and hiatus was 6 years ago, he can't be a Muslim. So...what WAS Lubitz doing for those 6 months? Have we an answer on that yet?

There was a bit more to the "musings" of the blogger, Jim Hoft, took the info from a German blog (Michael Mannheimer), and translated it from there. What has happened to this blogger? Apparently there's a cyber Fort Marcy Park:

Fehler 404. Die angeforderte Seite wurde nicht gefunden.

Hoft, who runs The Gateway Pundit, is not exactly a tiny Mom & Pop blog operation or as discredited or as kooky as TC would have everyone believe:

The Gateway Pundit is a leading right-of-center news website. The Gateway Pundit has 4-5 million visits (Sitemeter) each month and is read by over 600,000 individual readers. It is consistently ranked as one of the top political blogs in the nation. TGP has been cited by Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Drudge, The Blaze, Mark Levin, FOX Nation and by several international news organizations. Jim Hoft was awarded the Reed Irvine Accuracy in Media Award in 2013.

Whom do you think might want to discredit Jim Hoft or 'The Gateway Pundit'??

Jim Hoft is active in the Tea Party and was the associate producer of Hating Breitbart. He has a devotion to growing democracy and freedom movements everywhere, from inside Iran to the darkest corridors of the U.S. Capitol. His passion is liberty. His dedication is to a free America.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/

More info, different source:

(snip)

A police source in Dusseldorf revealed: “We have a team disassembling his computer, and that of his girlfriend, because the information that we received was that he trawled the dark side of the web visiting, among other things, sites containing gay porn, suicide themes and sexual perversions.”

The reports emerged after police started examining documents and a computer from his flat in Dusseldorf – the same one where ripped-up sick notes were discovered in the rubbish. …… Reports have suggested he was troubled by his sexuality and also seeking treatment for vision problems. Lubitz had recent hospital treatment for his eyesight, according to officials close to the German investigation.

It was also revealed that the 27-year-old was treated by four psychiatrists in the months leading up to the fatal plane crash, reported the Sun.

http://www.libertynews.com/2015/03/police-germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-surfed-suicide-gay-porn-sexual-fetish-sites-small-mountain-of-drugs-in-apt/

Move along, nothing to see. Bad eyesight, severe mental problems, treated by multiple psych docs, a possible HOMOSEXUAL....AND, very possibly, a Muslim convert.

Nope, NO reason to replace Lubitz as a co-pilot. FWIW, Lufthansa's initial statement: Lubitz was “100% fit to fly.”

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   17:42:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: GrandIsland (#69)

I was talking about in his home. They searched his house.

Yes. And I still maintain that any "evidence" would necessarily be sifted through and buried. Lost. Incinerated. And otherwise impossible to recover in a manner that would make Hitlery proud.

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   17:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: TooConservative, Deckard (#65)

The Facebook page for Andrea Lubitz Fans might be pranksters. Or it might be CIA dangling some bait to see who hits the Like button or posts on it.

And *I'm* the CT'er??

Lol...

Liberator  posted on  2015-03-29   17:51:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Liberator (#71) (Edited)

Nope, NO reason to replace Lubitz as a co-pilot. FWIW, Lufthansa's initial statement: Lubitz was “100% fit to fly.”

Wait a minute - you're saying that Lufthansa is in on the conspiracy as well?

<http://www.libertynews.com/2015/03/police-germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-surfed-suicide-gay-porn-sexual-fetish-sites-small-mountain-of-drugs-in-apt/

Gay porn fetish sites? Small mountain of drugs?

That makes him a sexual deviant, not a muslim terrorist.

As far as the drugs go, I am willing to stipulate that the doctor prescribed anti-depressant medication and whatever other ungodly concoction he was on is a contributing factor to his mental state.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-03-29   18:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: TooConservative (#19)

The term son of perdition is used on twice, once for judas and once for the anti-Christ, now that's evil, I would add our last four presidents.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-03-29   18:29:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Liberator (#73)

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-29   19:12:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Liberator (#62)

Then the initial reports emerged that Lubitz was a Muslim, the sh*t was really about to hit the fan.

NYSlimes, today:

And there is anger at the media onslaught that, for several days, made it almost impossible to walk the cobblestones of the city’s picturesque old quarter without being accosted by a camera crew looking for local reaction.

The Rev. Michael Dietrich, pastor of a Lutheran church on the edge of town where Mr. Lubitz’s mother sometimes played the organ, tried to address the spiritual quandary during his regular sermon Sunday morning.

The question posed itself for families of the victims, Pastor Dietrich said, “and also for the family of co-pilot Lubitz who many of us knew personally.”

It may be that his mother just fills in for absences of the local organist, perhaps getting paid for the gig.

I read elsewhere that the town and local area has a religious composition of 40% Roman Catholic, 33% Lutheran, 25% non-religious (which would leave 12% left over for Muslims, Prots, eastern religions, etc.).

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-30   9:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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