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Title: Miricle reports wanted
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Published: Mar 26, 2015
Author: Pastor Bob Celeste for ACP
Post Date: 2015-03-26 17:21:09 by BobCeleste
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Some time in the very near future, God willing, I am going to do a thought on the miracles Christ is doing in the lives of Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians. If you are a true Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians and if you have first hand knowledge of a miracle, I would love the details. Please either post here of email, using the LibertysFlame email service, to me with "Miracle" in the subject line. Please try to keep it to 200 words or under.
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#29. To: buckeroo (#13)
I don't! The problem is that non-believers simply do not recognize miracles. Ponder this, God can grow an oak tree to 40 feet in 30 years or 30 seconds.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
You're welcome, Bob. Now, listen up, the rest of you. If you DON'T have personal miracles to post, or you don't want to, that's fine. But please don't clog up this thread with endless bickering about WHY God needs or doesn't need or gives or doesn't give miracles. That's not the POINT of this thread! Bob launched this so that men and women (if there are any women who post or read here) who have experienced miracles directly can post them. For theological reasons that have to do with the lesson he would like to teach, he specifically wants miracles that have been experienced by born-again, washed in the blood of the lamb Christians, Christians who would identify themselves just that way. I use the shorthand "Protestants" to refer to such folks, but I know that many Protestants don't qualify under those terms. So that's up to you to decide. I want to read your MIRACLES, not your bickering. Come on! To get you started, here are three of mine: (1) When I was a boy, I dove off a dock into a shallow, rocky lake alone. I broke my neck and severed by spinal cord, and was completely paralyzed and drowning at the bottom of the like. I asked God "Please", and he healed me and allowed me to rise and walk away. I told no one until decades later. (2) A very dead lizard was raised from the dead in my hand by God, when I asked him "Please". (3) A dead mouse was raised from the dead in my hand by God, when I asked him "Please". There, those are three true miracles, things that snap the laws of physics in half and that have no explanation. In all three cases a direct personal prayer to God consisting of one word persuaded God to grant the miracle. In all three cases I was alone: these were private theophanies and miracles, not public things. They revealed God to ME; they have no power to reveal him to anybody ELSE, because nobody would ever believe me if these were necessary to prove God to THEM. And in none of the cases did they PROVE God to me - I already knew God was. They were gifts, charisms, nothing more. They weren't FOR any of you, and they aren't for you to argue with me about. I've mentioned them here to be the leaven that gets this dough rising, because it's degenerating into a bicker fest. God has done marvelous things. I've been there and seen it, and I want to hear YOUR marvelous stories, so that our God can shine forth in his otherwise hidden splendor and be marvelous in all of our eyes. So come on, you Protestant Born Again Christians, washed in the Blood of the Lamb, you're not going to let some French CATHOLIC boy be the only one who tells about miracles on a threat about miracles, are you? Come on! Open your word hoards and TELL US YOUR MIRACLES! Don't hide your light under a bushel basket, hoist up high and inspire us all. Or at least inspire ME. I saw the topic and came straight to this thread. I KNOW that some of you have experienced miracles. Nobody knows your name, so even if people laugh at you, who cares? Really, why care if a pseudonym gets ridiculed. I tell people about MY experiences face to face...even use it as a litmus test, because folks who sidle away and who don't want to stick around me after I start talking about my miracles and God, are never going to enjoy my company anyway, so why not hoist my freak flag and wave it proud "SHOALS HERE" so that timid souls can flee and not be bored, bemused and horrified? See? I've already broken my promise to not Spam Bob's thread. So COME ON you Proddy's, shut me down by an avalanche of your testimony. I know you have miracles, most everybody does. Don't let the Catholic boy outdo you in this department. Don't let the French boy taunt you from the top of the wall like so many bedwetting English kn-ig-hits! COME ON! SPEAK! Go tell it on the mountain, men. THIS is your mountain! Don't follow ME, for God's sake, push me aside and take YOUR rightful place at the van. You're really not going to let a Catholic win a miracle thread, are you? TELL YOUR MIRACLES! COME ON!
Ping.
You've got mail.
Thanks!
Must be Friday night:) I think I already provided my testimony.
"For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22)
More proof about the mythical, YHWH that you have examined. If you can't discuss one GOD, you make up another with a "new" name to support your claims.
Why accentuate unbelievable phenomena as a "miracle" that happens once in a blue moon as opposed to the day to day world of traffic jams, police brutality, potential nuclear war around the corner, deaths of all kinds and misery throughout the world? How about hunger running rampant affecting BILLIONS of people? You don't get it, at all. The entire Universe is a mystery; it could be claimed as a miracle. This includes your pathetic, little soul that doesn't differentiate between what he doesn't know and understand but also the unknowable.
Bob seems to forget that the orignial miracles performed by Christ were all to those that were not "Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians" - they were anything but. If you are saying miracles aren't for christians. How do you come to that conclusion? Was Lazarus a Christian? Was any of Jesus' miracles performed on or for Christians? There were no Christians at His time on Earth save for a very few during the last couple of years of His life. His miracles were not reserved solely for Christains.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
You are way to "christian" in giving this defense of BC. And so am I in referring to your defense of Bob as "christian" because I relly have another word for it.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
If you believe there is a GOD, there is no reason for to require "miracles or otherwise. If you believe in Christ what would you call His resurrection if not a miracle?
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
It is a myth.
NO, he did not. He posted it soley for "true Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians" not for all men and women. This is a clear difference with a huge distinction. You immediately noted that when you posted that he was not interested in what you, a Catholic, could contribute to his grab bag list of miracles. I have yet to see Bob recant on his stated intention, in fact it's quite the contrary.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Then I won't post my personal Catholic miracle here. At least I consider it a miracle.
Either you are totally disingenuous or intellectually bankrupt. My question was IF you believd in Christ what would you call His resurrection if not a miracle? For believers His the miracle of His resurrection is quite enough. None other are required. You obviously do not believe in Christ and probably not in a God either. You probably believe in nothing. That's you choice. But I can respond to your question of "what if you didn't believe in Christ......." with thoughtfulness and intellectual integrity and certainly without telling you that you live if a fairy land. So how about showing some character by engaging in a sincere dialogue? If you can't then please STFU because you bring nothing to this thread.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Hell, Fred, I am interested even if BC is not. Please email me, I am in dire need of a mircale right now.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
That is a false claim based on your own bias. Your own claim proves a categorical issue in communication skills. At the time of Christ, there were no less than 100 Jews traveling throughout the "Holy Land" marking a predication concerning the "end of the world." They were all known as "Christ." Some were marauders, some were honest people, some were warriors and sedition followers against both Rome and the Jewish establishment. Jesus was a zealot; one of the worst of all "Christs" at the time. The myth about his simple message was magnified into silly "miracles" to establish his eminence which has never been supported other than through gossip, rumour or innuendo. I have not demonstrated any issue other than maintaining a consistent opinion. It is you and your ilk demonstrating unsavory reactions to an otherwise rational discussion.
Okay, I'll share it via PM with you and a few others on this thread, in confidence of course. If not today then tomorrow. It will take some time to compose my recollection of details from 30+ years ago.
Nice weasel, one of the better ones of late. You still haven't answered my very straight forward question. Guess what, you now have lost all your credibility. You may have the last word, I am done with you and your dishonesty on this issue.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Such a fine Christian that you exemplify on a publick forum. Now, I am a "weasel." I haven't identified that question. Where is it?
Gossip. Rumor. Innuendo. Based on WHAT source of yours?? OR, are you merely speculating? The definition of "history," is a record by multiple sources and witnesses to the same places, people, and events. The Bible meets that criteria, overwhelmingly. In a court of law, that burden proof would stand on its own. Eyewitness accounts -- as a matter of fact, several -- are NOT quite the same as ANY definition of "myth." Several hundred witnessed the appearance of Jesus Christ after His crucifixion. Moreover, the "simple" message(s) of Jesus Christ were actually several, as related and witnessed by the FOUR Apostles Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John in their Gospels, as well as Paul. The coming of Jesus Christ fulfilled centuries of several prophecies, including importantly that of the promised Redeemer and Savior. The second important "simple" message that you ought to heed is, Blessed are those who believe yet do not see."
Interesting narrative that I have not heard till now. By the way, do you know what "Christ" means? Are you at liberty to reveal your source(s) of the following??: 1) The nature of background of "end of the world" predictions. 2) Of those "less than 100," the names. Places. Events. 3) Of those "less than 100," perhaps your characteristics of the followers of Christ (aka "Disciples or Apostles") is correct; For instance, Paul was a murderer. Before he became an Apostle. Some disciples may indeed have been "marauders" or criminals...but before they became disciples. Judas was one exception. Can you document any others? As to "sedition" against Rome, can you provide any examples? As to the Jewish establishment, aka the Pharisees, they were proven to have usurped the authority of God, while breaking their own religious laws in persecuting Jesus Christ.
Asked of Bucky by SOSO:
No speculation at all. There is no objective evidence anywhere other than the statements written into the New Testament. Absolutely none of the Bible is confirmed by historical records from other cultures from There is no evidence supporting "as a matter of fact" ... it is all based on conjecture, gossip and innuendo beyond some simple writings. Never happened. Even all Jews realize this compromise to their religious practices. Charlatans are everywhere as you suggest. They even pop-up as politicians selling a new idea to you about being free through slavery.
Sure. It is a myth.
Your comment is incorrect. YHWH is the revealed Name of God.
"For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22)
I'm thinking Peter said the same thing to Thomas:)
"For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22)
How can the creator be "revealed" when it is ALL a mystery? Through your Bible? Or some so-called Christian preacher on a Sunday morning begging for donations to support his worldly habits?
You are going to have to search your answers in the scriptures. It is clear you ask things clearly stated there.
"For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22)
Although I can honestly admit I have not read the Bible for some time, I don't recall YHWH. But, admittedly I haven't read all the many versions of the Bible either. Which one is YHWH contained within?
In most English language translations YHWH is rendered LORD. There are variations through ancient language development in the Hebrew which give us YHWH as pronounced Yehovah or Jehovah. There was a second Jewish temple man-made tradition which forbid using the Name of God YHWH. Instead even today most Jews will only say HaShem (The Name) and write God as G_D. Many Christian translators kept the Jewish tradition and the Greek LXX tradition of rendering YHWH as LORD. There is no prohibition in scriptures to do this other than not take The Name of God in vain. Two examples of English Bibles which use Jehovah instead of LORD in the OT are the LEB and ASV Bibles. For the NT there is no conflict. We are told: Acts 4: 10 be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even in him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 He is the stone which was set at nought of you the builders, which was made the head of the corner. 12 And in none other is there salvation: for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, wherein we must be saved.(ASV) In the Hebrew Jesus is Yeshua. Which means "God is Salvation." More: The first part is the “prefix” form of the Tetragrammaton—God’s Four-Letter Name: Yod-He-Vav-He or YHVH.In the Hebrew Bible “Yeho-” is used at the beginning of certain proper names: Jehoshaphat, Jehoiachin, Jehonathan (In Medieval English the letter “J” was pronounced as “Y”). The “suffix” form of the Tetragrammaton is “- yah” (“-iah” in Greek, as in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, or Halleluiah). The second part is a form of the Hebrew verb yasha which means to deliver, save, or rescue. Symbolically, the name Yehoshua/Yeshua/Jesus conveys the idea that God (YHVH) delivers or saves (his people).
"For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22)
In German "J" is pronounced as "Y". Thus, Joachin = Yo-ah-chhhh-een. In Hebrew, there is no "J". There is Yod. It's pictograph is an arm and hand, pointing. Yod also stands for "I". So, it's not Jesus, really. It's Yeshua. Nor was there a Joshua. He was also Yehoshua (originally called Hoshea; Moses changed his name). It's not Jerusalem, it's Yerushalayim. Also, it's not Isaac, it's Yitzak. And Isaiah?, there was none. He was Yesha'yahu - YHWH is salvation. "Jeremiah" is really Yirmiyahu, which means "Yah lifts up". Y, pictographically, is the arm and hand of God. H, pictographically, is a surprised man going "Hey!", which is the name of the letter. It means the infusion of breath, which is spirit.
Amen, great run down. Goes back to the paleo-Hebrew we discussed last year. "For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22)
G_D GOD LORD Jehovah HaShem Jesus is Yeshua Yehoshua/Yeshua/Jesus Jesus Christ of Nazareth The list of names is growing beyond bound!
You just wrote His Name in 4 languages!
"For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22)
How many GODs do you pray to? I was sure Christianity was "monotheistic." Is there a new, modern interpretation?
One God. His Name is YHWH. There are variations as they describe His Divine attributes. God manifest in the flesh truly God and truly Man is Jesus Christ (in our language); Yeshua Messiah in Hebrew/Aramaic.
"For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22)
One God by many names? How is that? Is it the same as some hundreds of Christian churches, dozens of accepted holy Bibles and thousands of interpretations?
Read my post again. Attributes.
"For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22)
Is there a single God or not? If there is, why so many interpretations? Why so many names? Why so many churches? Why so many Bibles?
Why do "Christians" require "miracles" to support their faith as evidence of their God?
#30. To: BobCeleste, All (#27)
#31. To: redleghunter (#30)
#32. To: Vicomte13 (#30)
#33. To: BobCeleste (#32)
#34. To: Vicomte13 (#30)
#35. To: redleghunter (#26)
YHWH
#36. To: GarySpFC (#29)
buckeroo: Why do "Christians" require "miracles" to support their faith as evidence of their God?
GarySpFC: I don't! The problem is that non-believers simply do not recognize miracles. Ponder this, God can grow an oak tree to 40 feet in 30 years or 30 seconds.
#37. To: A K A Stone (#12)
#38. To: redleghunter, buckeroo, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, liberator, BobCeleste, Don (#22)
I think (he will tell me if I am wrong) it is because by God's Grace, regeneration of mind, heart and soul leading to repentance and salvation through Christ is a miracle in itself. It stands alone. It's personal as Vic alluded to.
#39. To: buckeroo, redleghunter, All (#25)
You asked why Christians "require" miracles. I stated some do and some don't. And then told you why.
#40. To: SOSO (#39)
#41. To: Vicomte13, BobCeleste, All (#30)
Bob launched this so that men and women (if there are any women who post or read here) who have experienced miracles directly can post them.
#42. To: SOSO (#41)
#43. To: buckeroo, redleghunter, All (#40)
It is a myth.
#44. To: Fred Mertz (#42)
Then I won't post my personal Catholic miracle here. At least I consider it a miracle.
#45. To: SOSO (#43)
Either you are totally disingenuous or intellectually bankrupt.
My question was IF you believd [believed] in Christ what would you call His resurrection if not a miracle? For believers His the miracle of His resurrection is quite enough. None other are required.
You obviously do not believe in Christ and probably not in a God either. You probably believe in nothing. That's you choice. But I can respond to your question of "what if you didn't believe in Christ......." with thoughtfulness and intellectual integrity and certainly without telling you that you live if a fairy land. So how about showing some character by engaging in a sincere dialogue? If you can't then please STFU because you bring nothing to this thread.
#46. To: SOSO (#44)
#47. To: buckeroo (#45)
I have not demonstrated any issue other than maintaining a consistent opinion. It is you and your ilk demonstrating unsavory reactions to an otherwise rational discussion
#48. To: SOSO (#47)
You still haven't answered my very straight forward question.
#49. To: buckeroo, SOSO (#45)
The myth about his {Jesus Christ's] simple message was magnified into silly "miracles" to establish his eminence which has never been supported other than through gossip, rumour or innuendo.
#50. To: buckeroo (#45)
(Edited)
At the time of Christ, there were no less than 100 Jews traveling throughout the "Holy Land" marking a predication concerning the "end of the world." They were all known as "Christ." Some were marauders, some were honest people, some were warriors and sedition followers against both Rome and the Jewish establishment.
#51. To: SOSO, buckeroo, redleghunter (#39)
"If you believe in Christ what would you call His resurrection if not a miracle?
IS this question going to be answered?
#52. To: Liberator (#49)
(Edited)
Gossip. Rumor. Innuendo. Based on WHAT source of yours?? OR, are you merely speculating?
The definition of "history," is a record by multiple sources and witnesses to the same places, people, and events. The Bible meets that criteria, overwhelmingly. In a court of law, that burden proof would stand on its own.
or documented evidence [other than hearsay, innuendo or gossip]. Eyewitness accounts -- as a matter of fact, several -- are NOT quite the same as ANY definition of "myth." Several hundred witnessed the appearance of Jesus Christ after His crucifixion.
Moreover, the "simple" message(s) of Jesus Christ were actually several, as related and witnessed by the FOUR Apostles Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John in their Gospels, as well as Paul. The coming of Jesus Christ fulfilled centuries of several prophecies, including importantly that of the promised Redeemer and Savior.
The second important "simple" message that you ought to heed is, Blessed are those who believe yet do not see."
#53. To: Liberator, SOSO, redleghunter (#51)
IS this question going to be answered?
#54. To: buckeroo (#35)
#55. To: SOSO (#39)
If you believe there is a GOD, there is no reason for to require "miracles or otherwise.
#56. To: redleghunter (#54)
YHWH is the revealed Name of God.
#57. To: buckeroo (#56)
#58. To: redleghunter (#57)
You are going to have to search your answers in the scriptures. It is clear you ask things clearly stated there.
#59. To: buckeroo, Vicomte13 (#58)
#60. To: redleghunter (#59)
(In Medieval English the letter “J” was pronounced as “Y”)
#61. To: Vicomte13 (#60)
#62. To: redleghunter (#59)
#63. To: buckeroo (#62)
#64. To: redleghunter (#63)
#65. To: buckeroo (#64)
#66. To: redleghunter (#65)
#67. To: buckeroo (#66)
#68. To: redleghunter (#67)
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