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Title: Miricle reports wanted
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Published: Mar 26, 2015
Author: Pastor Bob Celeste for ACP
Post Date: 2015-03-26 17:21:09 by BobCeleste
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Some time in the very near future, God willing, I am going to do a thought on the miracles Christ is doing in the lives of Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians. If you are a true Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians and if you have first hand knowledge of a miracle, I would love the details. Please either post here of email, using the LibertysFlame email service, to me with "Miracle" in the subject line. Please try to keep it to 200 words or under.
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#1. To: BobCeleste (#0)
I get the idea you are looking for personal accounts of miracles. I don't have any. Well, maybe...on a small scale. A friend and I had this discussion a few years ago; topic - why haven't we seen or heard of miracles like those in the biblical times. I read an article the other day of a young 18 month boy being retrieved from a car in a cold creek and being lifeless. Something like 45 minutes of CPR after being recovered, he then survived apparently with no brain damage. I'd call that a miracle.
It'd be a miracle if you learned to spell.
I have three of the latter: firsthand knowledge (indeed, direct participation in), but I doubt that I would satisfy your definition to be "a true Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christian", being that I am a Roman Catholic. It doesn't seem you want to hear about miracles that happen to my kind, so I won't spam your thread, but I'll read with interest.
It doesn't seem you want to hear about miracles that happen to my kind, so I won't spam your thread, but I'll read with interest. Fred asked " why haven't we seen or heard of miracles like those in the biblical times." Bob seems to forget that the orignial miracles performed by Christ were all to those that were not "Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians" - they were anything but. Bob's belief that miracles only happen to "Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians" reveals a very ugly side of him that is anything but Christ like.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
so would I.
Ah, that it would.
email me, let me decide.
Perhaps you can arrange an interview with God for him as well?
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Bob seems to forget that the orignial miracles performed by Christ were all to those that were not "Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians" - they were anything but. Bob's belief that miracles only happen to "Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians" reveals a very ugly side of him that is anything but Christ like. That is not so, but using the Scripture that I have chosen requires the miracles to be those done to or on "Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians".
How discriminating of you.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I'll be content reading the miracles of others who meet your criteria. No need to spam your thread or take your time with off-topic miracles. I'm looking forward to reading what folks have to say. Miracle is a funny thing: when it happens, it's obvious and you're never the same. There's a kinship of experience. I am looking forward to seeing the names of people to relate to. It will be good. Please folks, don't bicker. If you're a Born Again Protestant, please post your miracles!
If you are saying miracles aren't for christians. Then I think you are wrong. Lazarus.
Why do "Christians" require "miracles" to support their faith as evidence of their God?
As I understand it, off-topic miracles are against forum rules!
I'm just pointing out Lazarus. I require no "miracles" to support my faith. Since you brought it up. It seems since you said you believe in God but you're not sure if the Bible is the answer. I know that is not how you said it but that is roughly how I interpret it. Correct me if/where I'm wrong. If that is the case. It seems to me you might possibly be the one who "requires" a miracle to believe.
As a Deist, I am not influenced by phony religious practices other than pointing out the hypocrisy of organized religion.
Organized as in written down in a book. So that everyone can know the truth and study it for themselves. As opposead to I am a Deist or I am at one with nature which is chaos. No two with the same beliefs. Made up by your limited knowledge. I'll go with organized over chaos. Just saying. By your answer that you probably would take a miracle. Maybe you will get to witness a big one someday.
You occupy space and time just as anyone else walking the surface of the planet. Studying the "Holy Bible," you have no more knowledge about the world around us as anyone else does. You are not special because of a "belief" or "wish."
This thread got ugly quick.
"For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." (John 1:17)
The miracle was LAW ENFORCEMENT... Or were you talking about another miracle? lol "The officers who rescued a Utah toddler from death’s doorstep in a submerged car on Sunday said their adrenaline-fueled heroics were triggered by a mysterious plea. “We could see a person in the front seat and then we heard a voice saying, ‘Help me, we’re in here.’ It was clear as day,” said Officer Tyler Beddoes of the Spanish Fork Police Department, one of four men who pulled an unconscious 18-month-old from a car — which had been submerged in near- freezing water for 14 hours — as her mother lay dead in the driver’s seat. Beddoes and his fellow first responders braved the chilly waters long enough to turn the red Dodge sedan, which was upside down, and pull little Lily Groesbeck out of her car seat, in which she had been suspended since her mother Jennifer Groesbeck apparently lost control of the car the previous evening. The four officers and three firefighters formed an assembly line and transported the child back to shore. The first responders started performing CPR, and Lily later regained consciousness in a Salt Lake City hospital. Her condition was upgraded to stable on Monday." THOSE FULLY ARMED JACK BOOTED THUGS, stopped collecting "revenue" long enough to save a life.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Some do, some don't. The apostles all saw Jesus do hundreds of miracles. Yet even after the greatest miracle of all, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Thomas still required touching Christ's wounds to believe. That's where Christ said that those who believed and did not see would be blessed. In that one passage in John 20 Jesus pointed out He would have followers who would seek subjective proof of Him and those who would be blessed to have faith in the objective evidence of His testimony. Now why did Bob specifically point to "born again or born from above" for his miracle subject? I think (he will tell me if I am wrong) it is because by God's Grace, regeneration of mind, heart and soul leading to repentance and salvation through Christ is a miracle in itself. It stands alone. It's personal as Vic alluded to. I think the miracles of healing, reviving a dead child, multiplying fish and bread, walking on water, parting the Red Sea many more, has a different purpose IMO. Those are to prove what God says, promises and commands. Where God makes a claim His Power is manifest. If Jesus just came preaching a Law the Jews already knew and claimed to be the Messiah, we would never have heard of him. There were many before Him who did just that. They came in their own word and witness. So what? I agree. What makes it different is Christ came doing miracles which confirmed the words He spoke. He did so in front of hundreds and sometimes thousands of witnesses. This was topped off with His resurrection from the dead. He was in the grave 3 days and came back with a glorified Body. Now we also see in the gospels there were people who saw these miracles...They witnessed them and still denied Him. So I don't think Bob is talking about those miracles. I think the miracle in question is what we see in John 3. How God by His Grace could take a damned destitute sinner as me, lead me to sorrowful repentance and show me the Grace of His salvation through Jesus Christ. Then change my life such that I could not fathom how it happened. There are miracles in my life and answered prayer in which strengthened my faith...built faith, which were also His Grace. Some of them happening without me even asking. I hope this helps address the various questions posted, not just my buddy bukaroo.
"For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." (John 1:17)
Your rant spun off into LALA Land. You are not straight forward with a response to my earlier post.
I addressed your question and others. You asked why Christians "require" miracles. I stated some do and some don't. And then told you why.
"For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." (John 1:17)
If you believe there is a GOD, there is no reason for to require "miracles or otherwise.
The fact is YHWH did and continues to do miracles. He established His truth in both Word (verbal and written) and Power (miracles). If not this way just any fraud can claim to be a deity. Muslims have the Qur'an; Mormons have the BOM; the Eastern religions have their self awareness. They all have words, some written. They all have the witness of men. They all lack the Word with demonstrated witnessed Power. They all lack the Resurrection, which is our promise of eternal life. The above may not seem the best answer. However it is the only answer. Christ came in Word and Power. His disciples and apostles filled with the Holy Spirit preached the Gospel in Word and Power. We have witness of this in what they spoke, how they conducted their lives and in what they wrote. We have witness today of Christ's Word and Power as it manifests in our lives. It's real. We just don't read a book. The book has the message of what spiritually manifests in our lives. That is the miracle referenced by Bob. This message has no denomination; cannot be bought with money; cannot be obtained through self meditation; cannot be reached by trying to be a good person. It is the Work of the Holy Spirit by God's Divine Grace. Thanks be to God.
"For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." (John 1:17)
Thank you.
really close for not knowing the Scripture I will be referencing. Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
I don't! The problem is that non-believers simply do not recognize miracles. Ponder this, God can grow an oak tree to 40 feet in 30 years or 30 seconds.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
You're welcome, Bob. Now, listen up, the rest of you. If you DON'T have personal miracles to post, or you don't want to, that's fine. But please don't clog up this thread with endless bickering about WHY God needs or doesn't need or gives or doesn't give miracles. That's not the POINT of this thread! Bob launched this so that men and women (if there are any women who post or read here) who have experienced miracles directly can post them. For theological reasons that have to do with the lesson he would like to teach, he specifically wants miracles that have been experienced by born-again, washed in the blood of the lamb Christians, Christians who would identify themselves just that way. I use the shorthand "Protestants" to refer to such folks, but I know that many Protestants don't qualify under those terms. So that's up to you to decide. I want to read your MIRACLES, not your bickering. Come on! To get you started, here are three of mine: (1) When I was a boy, I dove off a dock into a shallow, rocky lake alone. I broke my neck and severed by spinal cord, and was completely paralyzed and drowning at the bottom of the like. I asked God "Please", and he healed me and allowed me to rise and walk away. I told no one until decades later. (2) A very dead lizard was raised from the dead in my hand by God, when I asked him "Please". (3) A dead mouse was raised from the dead in my hand by God, when I asked him "Please". There, those are three true miracles, things that snap the laws of physics in half and that have no explanation. In all three cases a direct personal prayer to God consisting of one word persuaded God to grant the miracle. In all three cases I was alone: these were private theophanies and miracles, not public things. They revealed God to ME; they have no power to reveal him to anybody ELSE, because nobody would ever believe me if these were necessary to prove God to THEM. And in none of the cases did they PROVE God to me - I already knew God was. They were gifts, charisms, nothing more. They weren't FOR any of you, and they aren't for you to argue with me about. I've mentioned them here to be the leaven that gets this dough rising, because it's degenerating into a bicker fest. God has done marvelous things. I've been there and seen it, and I want to hear YOUR marvelous stories, so that our God can shine forth in his otherwise hidden splendor and be marvelous in all of our eyes. So come on, you Protestant Born Again Christians, washed in the Blood of the Lamb, you're not going to let some French CATHOLIC boy be the only one who tells about miracles on a threat about miracles, are you? Come on! Open your word hoards and TELL US YOUR MIRACLES! Don't hide your light under a bushel basket, hoist up high and inspire us all. Or at least inspire ME. I saw the topic and came straight to this thread. I KNOW that some of you have experienced miracles. Nobody knows your name, so even if people laugh at you, who cares? Really, why care if a pseudonym gets ridiculed. I tell people about MY experiences face to face...even use it as a litmus test, because folks who sidle away and who don't want to stick around me after I start talking about my miracles and God, are never going to enjoy my company anyway, so why not hoist my freak flag and wave it proud "SHOALS HERE" so that timid souls can flee and not be bored, bemused and horrified? See? I've already broken my promise to not Spam Bob's thread. So COME ON you Proddy's, shut me down by an avalanche of your testimony. I know you have miracles, most everybody does. Don't let the Catholic boy outdo you in this department. Don't let the French boy taunt you from the top of the wall like so many bedwetting English kn-ig-hits! COME ON! SPEAK! Go tell it on the mountain, men. THIS is your mountain! Don't follow ME, for God's sake, push me aside and take YOUR rightful place at the van. You're really not going to let a Catholic win a miracle thread, are you? TELL YOUR MIRACLES! COME ON!
Ping.
You've got mail.
Thanks!
Must be Friday night:) I think I already provided my testimony.
"For the Lord is our Judge, The Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us" (Isaiah 33:22)
More proof about the mythical, YHWH that you have examined. If you can't discuss one GOD, you make up another with a "new" name to support your claims.
Why accentuate unbelievable phenomena as a "miracle" that happens once in a blue moon as opposed to the day to day world of traffic jams, police brutality, potential nuclear war around the corner, deaths of all kinds and misery throughout the world? How about hunger running rampant affecting BILLIONS of people? You don't get it, at all. The entire Universe is a mystery; it could be claimed as a miracle. This includes your pathetic, little soul that doesn't differentiate between what he doesn't know and understand but also the unknowable.
Bob seems to forget that the orignial miracles performed by Christ were all to those that were not "Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians" - they were anything but. If you are saying miracles aren't for christians. How do you come to that conclusion? Was Lazarus a Christian? Was any of Jesus' miracles performed on or for Christians? There were no Christians at His time on Earth save for a very few during the last couple of years of His life. His miracles were not reserved solely for Christains.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
You are way to "christian" in giving this defense of BC. And so am I in referring to your defense of Bob as "christian" because I relly have another word for it.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
If you believe there is a GOD, there is no reason for to require "miracles or otherwise. If you believe in Christ what would you call His resurrection if not a miracle?
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
It is a myth.
NO, he did not. He posted it soley for "true Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians" not for all men and women. This is a clear difference with a huge distinction. You immediately noted that when you posted that he was not interested in what you, a Catholic, could contribute to his grab bag list of miracles. I have yet to see Bob recant on his stated intention, in fact it's quite the contrary.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
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#2. To: BobCeleste (#0)
#3. To: BobCeleste (#0)
If you are a true Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians and if you have first hand knowledge of a miracle
#4. To: Vicomte13, BobCeleste, fred mertz (#3)
I have three of the latter: firsthand knowledge (indeed, direct participation in), but I doubt that I would satisfy your definition to be "a true Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christian", being that I am a Roman Catholic.
#5. To: Fred Mertz (#1)
I read an article the other day of a young 18 month boy being retrieved from a car in a cold creek and being lifeless. Something like 45 minutes of CPR after being recovered, he then survived apparently with no brain damage. I'd call that a miracle.
#6. To: Biff Tannen (#2)
It'd be a miracle if you learned to spell.
#7. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
#8. To: BobCeleste, Vicomte13 (#7)
email me, let me decide.
#9. To: SOSO (#4)
Fred asked " why haven't we seen or heard of miracles like those in the biblical times."
#10. To: BobCeleste (#9)
That is not so, but using the Scripture that I have chosen requires the miracles to be those done to or on "Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians".
#11. To: BobCeleste (#7)
#12. To: SOSO (#4)
Bob seems to forget that the orignial miracles performed by Christ were all to those that were not "Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christians" - they were anything but.
#13. To: A K A Stone (#12)
Lazarus
#14. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#11)
No need to spam your thread or take your time with off-topic miracles.
#15. To: buckeroo (#13)
Lazarus Why do "Christians" require "miracles" to support their faith as evidence of their God?
#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)
#17. To: buckeroo (#16)
As a Deist, I am not influenced by phony religious practices other than pointing out the hypocrisy of organized religion.
#18. To: A K A Stone (#17)
Made up by your [buckeroo] limited knowledge.
#19. To: Fred Mertz, BobCeleste (#1)
I read an article the other day of a young 18 month boy being retrieved from a car in a cold creek and being lifeless. Something like 45 minutes of CPR after being recovered, he then survived apparently with no brain damage. I'd call that a miracle.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#20. To: SOSO (#4)
#21. To: Deckard (#19)
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I read an article the other day of a young 18 month boy being retrieved from a car in a cold creek and being lifeless. Something like 45 minutes of CPR after being recovered, he then survived apparently with no brain damage. I'd call that a miracle.
#22. To: buckeroo, SOSO, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, liberator, BobCeleste, Don (#13)
Why do "Christians" require "miracles" to support their faith as evidence of their God?
#23. To: redleghunter (#22)
(Edited)
#24. To: buckeroo (#23)
#25. To: redleghunter (#24)
You asked why Christians "require" miracles. I stated some do and some don't. And then told you why.
#26. To: buckeroo, Vicomte13, BobCeleste, Don, liberator, GarySpFc (#25)
#27. To: Vicomte13 (#11)
Please folks, don't bicker. If you're a Born Again Protestant, please post your miracles!
#28. To: redleghunter (#22)
There are miracles in my life and answered prayer in which strengthened my faith...built faith, which were also His Grace. Some of them happening without me even asking.
#29. To: buckeroo (#13)
Why do "Christians" require "miracles" to support their faith as evidence of their God?
#30. To: BobCeleste, All (#27)
#31. To: redleghunter (#30)
#32. To: Vicomte13 (#30)
#33. To: BobCeleste (#32)
#34. To: Vicomte13 (#30)
#35. To: redleghunter (#26)
YHWH
#36. To: GarySpFC (#29)
buckeroo: Why do "Christians" require "miracles" to support their faith as evidence of their God?
GarySpFC: I don't! The problem is that non-believers simply do not recognize miracles. Ponder this, God can grow an oak tree to 40 feet in 30 years or 30 seconds.
#37. To: A K A Stone (#12)
#38. To: redleghunter, buckeroo, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, liberator, BobCeleste, Don (#22)
I think (he will tell me if I am wrong) it is because by God's Grace, regeneration of mind, heart and soul leading to repentance and salvation through Christ is a miracle in itself. It stands alone. It's personal as Vic alluded to.
#39. To: buckeroo, redleghunter, All (#25)
You asked why Christians "require" miracles. I stated some do and some don't. And then told you why.
#40. To: SOSO (#39)
#41. To: Vicomte13, BobCeleste, All (#30)
Bob launched this so that men and women (if there are any women who post or read here) who have experienced miracles directly can post them.
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