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Title: New Mexico moves to curb civil asset forfeitures by police
Source: HotAir
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2015/03/ ... l-asset-forfeitures-by-police/
Published: Mar 26, 2015
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2015-03-26 12:15:16 by Tooconservative
Keywords: forfeiture
Views: 13078
Comments: 47

Perhaps it’s just the arrival of Spring which has put me in a more hopeful mood of late, but there seem to be some opportunities for government to actually do something good for a change. The other day I pointed to the possibility that Congress might get together and pass the Sportsman’s Act. Now, thanks to the good folks in New Mexico, there is a glimmer of hope that a more egregious problem might be addressed.

Last year we looked at the widespread problem of law enforcement and government officials at the local, state and federal levels using the practice of civil forfeiture to grab up the assets of citizens. This takes place even in cases where there was never a conviction for any crime, with the citizen left to fight their way through the courts to “prove their innocence” and get their cash or property back. Examples of this often literal highway robbery are far too numerous to be ignored at this point. Eric Holder made a couple of moves to scale back the practice, but they were half measures at best which are easily thwarted by determined agencies. (Holder’s effort failed to cover numerous loopholes in the equitable-sharing program.)

Things may finally be changing, however. Several states have responded to public outrage over this legalized theft and tried to turn back the tide. The latest effort, as reported by Forbes, is taking place in New Mexico.
New Mexico is on the verge of a complete turnabout. Both chambers of the state legislature have unanimously passed HB 560 sponsored by Representative Zachary Cook. Cook is a Republican, and the GOP controls the House 37 to 33, but the Senate is controlled by the Democrats, 24 to 17. Nevertheless, it passed without a single no vote and now awaits Governor Martinez’s signature.

The key provisions of the bill include that no citizen will suffer forfeiture prior to conviction of a criminal act, that proceeds from forfeitures in those cases will go into the state’s general fund and not into the coffers of the seizing agencies (thus removing the temptation for, as the Institute for Justice puts it “policing for profit,”) and that state and local law enforcement agencies will not be able to get around the state law by resorting to the federal “equitable sharing” law.

The two key features of this legislation should be common sense and could provide a model for making this reform go national at the federal level. (More on that below.) Item one is to bar any seizure of assets until someone is actually convicted of a crime related to the assets in question. That should be a no-brainer. Physical assets can be placed on hold (i.e. in an evidence locker) while an investigation and trial is underway, but cannot become the “property” of government or law enforcement, sold off or otherwise liquidated unless there is a conviction. If the suspect is cleared or if the investigation is dropped, the property must be returned. In the case of cash seizures, money in bank accounts or other holdings can have a freeze put on them while the process plays out, but the cash can’t be surrendered to the government agency absent a conviction.

Second, the sole motive for agencies robbing their own citizens is removed by mandating that any assets collected from those who are convicted do not go directly into the coffers of the police activity or government agency conducting the seizure. Such profits would instead go into the general treasury and, ideally, be reported to the public in each incident. How either of these provisions could be seen as remotely controversial by the average voter is a mystery, so there should be no trouble instituting such a policy. But how about at the federal level?

There’s already a plan on the table and it comes from Rand Paul.
Furthermore, civil asset forfeiture is under attack at the federal level. Senator Rand Paul and Representative Tim Walberg have reintroduced the Fifth Amendment Integrity Restoration Act (FAIR, of course, since most bills these days have catchy acronyms) which, inter alia, raises the level of proof required for seizure, abolishes the “equitable sharing” program, and, as in the New Mexico legislation, eliminates the temptation to grab property for the benefit of the agency’s budget, by requiring that any proceeds go into the treasury.

The FAIR Act doesn’t go quite as far as I’d like to see in terms of “raising the level of proof” required to take your cash or property – as opposed to waiting until you are convicted – but it’s at least some progress. It might also create enough awareness of the problem that the media and citizen journalists could keep an eye on seizures and shine some sunlight on the process.

It would be good to see this taken up as a campaign issue. Whether it plays in favor of Rand Paul or not shouldn’t be a consideration. Let’s find out where all of the candidates stand on it and then get some reporters on the task of asking legislators whether this is going to make it to the President’s desk. Once in a blue moon the government can actually do something productive and this is just such an opportunity.

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#1. To: All, Deckard, GrandIsland (#0) (Edited)

Some good news to report for once. Naturally, no one will bother to read it.     : )

...eliminates the temptation to grab property for the benefit of the agency’s budget, by requiring that any proceeds go into the treasury.

This alone should curb a lot of abuse.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-26   12:16:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative (#1)

"This alone should curb a lot of abuse."

It could curb arrests. Coming up with enough evidence for a criminal charge is expensive. Then, if the criminal asset forfeiture goes to the state coffers, where's the incentive to do the investigation?

A lower standard for civil asset forfeiture at least allowed law enforcement to disrupt or break up the criminal activity, even though no one went to jail.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-03-26   13:11:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite (#2)

A lower standard for civil asset forfeiture at least allowed law enforcement to disrupt or break up the criminal activity, even though no one went to jail.

Apparently, law enforcement cannot exist if cops don't have a personal profit motive to grab stuff from the proles.

And if no one went to jail, then it was no crime other than the cops being guilty of grand larceny under color of authority.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-26   13:23:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative, misterwhite (#3)

Apparently, law enforcement cannot exist if cops don't have a personal profit motive to grab stuff from the proles.

There is decades worth of Republican mind think where they hated big govt except the cops and the military to overcome. Once Libertarians started appearing in force this GOP contradiction collapses.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-26   13:29:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pericles (#5)

Once Libertarians started appearing in force this GOP contradiction collapses.

The GOP jackboot-lickers are still quite strong and a fair number of Dems lean the same direction, despite mouthing occasional pieties about civil liberties.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-03-26   13:34:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#6) (Edited)

Once Libertarians started appearing in force this GOP contradiction collapses. The GOP jackboot-lickers are still quite strong and a fair number of Dems lean the same direction, despite mouthing occasional pieties about civil liberties.

No one wants to be accused of being soft on crime or weak on defense - that is a winning 1 - 2 punch the GOP perfected during 70s onwards (before that the gOp was about shrinking the military and getting out of wars like Korea - you even had VP candidate Dole declare the Democrats started wars unlike the peace loving Republicans).

Most of our politicans came to office during that post 70s era so old habits die hard. It's like an instinct at this point. The younger politicians are grasping the sea change like Rand Paul did over police abuses in Furgeson and jailing of so many people over drugs to make the USA the worlds largest jailer.

I forget who they were but you had 2 LF members on here try and argue that police pulling people over for minor ticketed offenses keeps America free or safe or some such rather than what it really does - bog America down. That is still a powerful scare tactic for the old people who freaked out over the high crime of the 70s and 80s while people who grew up in the low crime 90s and 00s don't buy this line much anymore.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-26   13:39:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pericles (#7)

I forget who they were but you had 2 LF members on here try and argue that police pulling people over for minor ticketed offenses keeps America free or safe or some such rather than what it really does - bog America down.

Spun well by a liberal that wants to spend my tax money to keep a convicted rapist alive in prison because Pericles is too weak to kill it.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-26   19:50:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: GrandIsland (#10)

If you want to kill people for non capital crimes feel free to move to Saudi Arabia.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-26   22:53:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pericles (#11)

If you wanna live in a society where nobody gets pulled over for breaking traffic laws... BUY AN ISLAND and live by yourself.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-26   23:02:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: GrandIsland (#12)

If you wanna live in a society where nobody gets pulled over for breaking traffic laws... BUY AN ISLAND and live by yourself.

Like speeding without being pulled over? You mean move to Germany?

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-26   23:07:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Pericles (#13)

They have traffic laws there besides "speeding".... and German police make traffic stops.

Don't be ignorant.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-26   23:13:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: GrandIsland (#14) (Edited)

They have traffic laws there besides "speeding".... and German police make traffic stops.

Don't be ignorant.

The police are revenue hunting rather than keeping anyone safe - all I wrote - which freaked you out - is that we eliminate pull overs that are designed only to issue a ticket - make it an automatic charge to be paid later.

In any case, as computers take over most driving functions on the near future traffic cops - glorified meter maids - will go the way of the dinosaurs.

Pericles  posted on  2015-03-26   23:19:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pericles (#16) (Edited)

The police are revenue hunting rather than keeping anyone safe

Police don't collect "revenue". The courts do. Different part of the criminal Justice system.

Direct your anger and dysfuntional ideology towards the courts.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-03-26   23:28:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#23. To: GrandIsland (#18)

Police don't collect "revenue". The courts do.

Civil Asset Forfeiture says otherwise. Police will collect the "funds" and it never hits the court system. Many jurisdictions allow the proceeds to go directly to the LE agency and to pay for the "costs" associated with seizing the assets.

The courts normally are involved when assets are not seized yet, or when the disposition of seized assets are being decided upon because of events like personal exoneration or new evidence that severs the ties between property and crime.

Playing games with words will not erase the fact that police can, and do, use CAF as a revenue stream.

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